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Sony finally announces what we're all known about for months

Sony today officially announced the PS3 Slim at GamesCom. As previously reported, the PS3 Slim will retail for $299.99 when it is launched during the first week of September. Sony says that the PS3 Slim will have all the functionality of the currently available PS3 models and will be available in a single 120GB SKU.

The PS3 Slim is 32 percent smaller than the original and consumes 34% less power.

In addition to the PS3 Slim, Sony also confirmed that the existing 80GB and 160GB models are getting a $100 price drop starting tomorrow. The prices will be in effect until the stock is depleted. So if you are impatient and need to have a PS3 right now (or just prefer the “fatter” look), this is your chance to to grab the current model. However, it may be wise to just wait for the cooler-running PS3 Slim to arrive in a few weeks.

In other news, Sony also announced Firmware 3.0 for the PS3. It adds a number of new features including a "What's New" section for PlayStation news, a redesigned Friends List, PlayStation Store shortcuts, and an updated trophy system.

You can check out a full gallery of the new PS3 Slim here on Sony's flickr page.

Updated 8/18/2009
Engadget reports that the PS3 Slim doesn't feature PS2 compatibility and it lacks support for Linux.

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Wow
By MrX8503 on 8/18/2009 3:02:34 PM , Rating: 5
With a $299 price tag, the new PS3 makes the Wii seem overpriced now. I forsee this new PS3 selling very well.




RE: Wow
By RandallMoore on 8/18/2009 3:08:10 PM , Rating: 5
A constructive comment about Sony on DT!! I claim it before it's deleted by the conspirators! :D lol


RE: Wow
By CZroe on 8/18/2009 5:03:10 PM , Rating: 2
"Insightful?" Perhaps, but you and I have different definitions of "constructive." ;)


RE: Wow
By ET on 8/19/2009 1:04:53 AM , Rating: 3
I'm pretty sure he meant "positive".


RE: Wow
By RandallMoore on 8/20/2009 9:12:25 AM , Rating: 2
You have never heard the phrase "constructive criticism"? Same concept, but here is M-W.com

3 : promoting improvement or development <constructive criticism


RE: Wow
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:15:46 PM , Rating: 5
It sure does. I have a Wii and I have a PS3 (40GB model that I upgraded to 80GB).

At $249, you can't even play movies out of the box with the Wii. The PS3 gives you DVD and Blu-ray capabilities, so I'd say that this should be a GREAT marketing move for Sony.

Microsoft should be worried too. The 120GB Elite will be price at $300 as well in the coming weeks, but it's going to be the same large, loud machine it has always been.

Toss in the PS3's Blu-ray drive, built-in WiFi (come on Microsoft, it's pretty sh*tty that you have to buy a dongle), and free online service, and things are looking REALLY good for Sony.

Let's just hope that you can still upgrade the HDD yourself...


RE: Wow
By SiN on 8/18/2009 3:25:01 PM , Rating: 3
aren't the things you pointed out the same things that have kept the ps3 extremely expense until this new model is released.

i know you have to pay for the online capabilities for xbox but Live really does out do what the others have.

all being said, i'm looking forward to picking up a ps3 soon.

i don't think Microsoft are too worried about the PS3 or Wii though. they have a marketing strategy too, and it's cheaper than the Wii.


RE: Wow
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:28:18 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, it made it more expensive in the past, but whatever they have done now makes all of that irrelevant.

Equivalently priced, the case for the Xbox 360 doesn't look as good anymore IMHO.


RE: Wow
By jarman on 8/18/09, Rating: -1
RE: Wow
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:43:30 PM , Rating: 5
I didn't say there was absolutely no reason to buy an Xbox 360 now -- just that the PS3 is a much better bargain at the $300 pricepoint now considering what is included with the machine.


RE: Wow
By Mitch101 on 8/18/2009 4:29:06 PM , Rating: 3
To be honest I go back and forth with which console to get.

BLU-RAY PS3 (Blu-Ray Xbox add on just rumor)
Video Download 360 > PS3 (Netflix)
GAMES 360 > PS3 (360 has more top notch titles still)
RELIABILITY PS3 > 360 (360 has definitely improved)
STREAMING TIE (TVersity)
PRICE PS3 > 360 Yes they are priced the same but PS3 incl BLU-RAY

I really like NATAL but that's probably not until this time next year. So I am leaning more 360 because of Netflix and NATAL. But part of me likes the idea of that BLU-RAY drive without having to add another device in my component rack.


RE: Wow
By BansheeX on 8/18/2009 4:34:48 PM , Rating: 2
Noise? PS3, by a longshot.
Price? PS3 if you like netplay and blu-ray, 360 if you don't. Netplay fees will cost you $300 alone on the 360 over 6 years. And since you're paying for access and not usage, you'll feel pressured to play at times you know you don't have time for.


RE: Wow
By jvillaro on 8/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wow
By themaster08 on 8/19/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wow
By namechamps on 8/19/2009 11:27:20 AM , Rating: 5
I drive very recklessly due to crazy car insurance access not usage pricing. I mean if I drive safely it is kinda rip off but if I am an absolute lethal threat on the road well then my insurance bill is a better value.


RE: Wow
By FoxFour on 8/20/2009 12:18:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I drive very recklessly due to crazy car insurance access not usage pricing. I mean if I drive safely it is kinda rip off but if I am an absolute lethal threat on the road well then my insurance bill is a better value.


This is the most hilarious comment I have read on DT in ages.

It's too bad that I had to give up my rating vote so that I could say thanks, but here it is: Thank you for making my day!


RE: Wow
By themaster08 on 8/20/2009 4:11:27 AM , Rating: 2
I meant using your car in general, not driving recklessly compared to driving safely.


RE: Wow
By OblivionMage on 8/18/2009 5:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
I've always been similarly torn, although Xbox live has always managed to push me in the Microsoft direction.


RE: Wow
By Icelight on 8/18/2009 8:11:00 PM , Rating: 3
Ew, people still use TVersity?

PS3 Media Center is a FAR superior option as it is smart enough to avoid transcoding if at all possible. It should work fine with streaming to the 360 as well, despite the name.

Last time I used TVersity it still attempted to transcode MKVs. PS3 Media Server just happily remuxes them on the fly, so the video stream is left untouched.


RE: Wow
By probedb on 8/19/2009 7:49:01 AM , Rating: 3
PS3 Media Center isn't been developed any more from searching for "PS3 Media Center" on google? If it's the Red Kawa one then it definitely isn't, they refer to it in the past tense on the product page. Correct me if I'm wrong.

TVersity works fine and is actually being actively developed.

Unfortunately I have to use Twonky as the server is Linux :)


RE: Wow
By Torched on 8/19/2009 10:25:04 AM , Rating: 2
I think he meant the open source, lightweight "PS3 Media Server"

http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3_Media_Server


RE: Wow
By Icelight on 8/26/2009 2:43:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I meant Media Server, thanks for the correction. Don't know why I said Center!


RE: Wow
By Roffles on 8/19/2009 11:18:07 AM , Rating: 2
As far as I know, the ps3 media server is being actively developed. TVersity sucks in comparison.

http://ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=2


RE: Wow
By Pjotr on 8/19/2009 9:19:13 AM , Rating: 2
Streaming: http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

Using this on a PC, you can play ANY content on your PS3 without any recoding. Wins hands down over TVersity.


RE: Wow
By therealnickdanger on 8/18/2009 4:40:11 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed. I'm pleased that the Elite is dropping to $299, but without Blu-Ray or the option to install your own HDD, it [Elite] is ultimately disappointing - purely from a hardware/cost perspective. The reality is that the 360 still dominates (IMO) the software side of things in terms of exclusives, online functionality, and DLC.


RE: Wow
By FITCamaro on 8/18/2009 5:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
I think it will be interesting to see how Microsoft responds to this. Would be sweet if they made it so that you could swap out the hard drive. If they did, the 250GB drive in my PS3 would come out and go into the 360 and the stock 40GB hard drive would go back in.


RE: Wow
By Hiawa23 on 8/19/2009 8:08:06 AM , Rating: 2
I think it will be interesting to see how Microsoft responds to this. Would be sweet if they made it so that you could swap out the hard drive. If they did, the 250GB drive in my PS3 would come out and go into the 360 and the stock 40GB hard drive would go back in.

there is a rumored $299 Elite, no more 60GB, model starting next week so MS is already primed to do what they are going to do. You can forget about MS allowing you to swap out drives with ones you want. Why would they do that when now they have no comp on the 360 cause if you need to buy a HDD you have no choice but to buy the one they provide at the high prices. That aint going to change no matter what Sony does.


RE: Wow
By StevoLincolnite on 8/18/2009 4:19:50 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Yeah, it made it more expensive in the past, but whatever they have done now makes all of that irrelevant. Equivalently priced, the case for the Xbox 360 doesn't look as good anymore IMHO.


But it is relevant, it could be argued that the high price of the PS3 has kept away allot of potential buyers, and hence because the PS3 isn't selling anywhere near the level of the PS2, it's also lost valuable game franchises, and thus there are less exclusive games on the platform which will more than likely effect the consoles game line-up for a significant amount of time.

The Slim model, might make things better for Sony and it's exclusive games situation, but to say that the price drop has made the entire current landscape irrelevant is far from the truth, Sony's late start and high prices will probably affect it for this entire generation, especially with the Wii having a strong 30 million sales lead, and the Xbox with it's 10 million.

Microsoft also positioned itself better in the face of competition this round, the Xbox has been making money for some time now, and because of Microsoft's emphasis on accessories not included with the console, it is able to drop the price to much lower levels than the PS3 without hemorrhaging cash, something they learn't from the original Xbox.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a $50 - $100 price drop on the Xbox as soon as the PS3 starts to gain traction, something which Sony probably wouldn't be able to do again for some time.

I have an Xbox 360 arcade and got the 20gb HDD for $20 from Microsoft deal, so I did well there, even though 20gb is getting rather limiting now.

And now because of the PS3 price drop it's time for me to go grab a shiny new George Forman Blue-ray player!

Thank you scale of economics and competition from Microsoft and Nintendo for bringing this price drop! :D


RE: Wow
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 4:30:23 PM , Rating: 3
Great post


RE: Wow
By Helbore on 8/18/2009 4:57:31 PM , Rating: 2
Hate to nitpick, but isn't the correct term economies of scale?

Not attacking (please don't get the guns out!) but that's what I always knew it as.


RE: Wow
By chagrinnin on 8/18/2009 5:26:23 PM , Rating: 2
True, that may be,...not for, use of the force,...and those trained in the Master Yoda,.. ways of, but.


RE: Wow
By joos2000 on 8/18/2009 7:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
Great post, couldn't agree more, except for the part where you compare Wii sales with X360 and PS3.

Since the Wii is a bit of an odd-ball in the traditional gaming console sence, it has attracted customers who never ever would have bought a gaming console, thus, the sales figures between the two different types of game consoles don't really compare.

Btw, I just outfitted my PS3 with a WD 500 Gb HD. I would recomend that to anyone. Never have to delete anything ever again because I have to.


RE: Wow
By Xerio on 8/20/2009 9:23:44 AM , Rating: 3
So, you are saying that the Wii, as an "odd-ball" is irrelevant in the console game? Why? Because it isn't HD?

I would say that the Wii is the most relevant console, as proved by Microsoft and Sony now playing around with motion sensing. The Xbox and the PS3 are evolutionary, while the Wii is revolutionary, despite the lack of HD.


RE: Wow
By tmouse on 8/19/2009 8:00:00 AM , Rating: 3
You hit the nail on the head. Perhaps the best thing to come from this is many software developers will think twice before handing over platform exclusive franchises. There will be title specific platform exclusives but far and few between entire franchises. The developers are a bit more in control since there was not a runaway winner between the PS3 and the 360 (I'm not including the Wii only because it is a bit of the odd man out and did not really compete on title for title basis). What we will see is some franchises coming out only on one platform at first but if it picks up the others will be able to get a port or another title in that franchise. While I understand the economics of developing for one platform only it really is a gamble and this round showed that some developers got really burned with the combination of a bad world economy and betting that Sony would pull the same success with the PS3's previous pricing structure. If this happens (and it seems to be) it's a big win for gamers.


RE: Wow
By Chaser on 8/19/2009 10:03:28 AM , Rating: 2
For now yes. But Sony is looking in the long run. I think their aggressive firmware updates reflect that. Although most critics believe or say, "Sony needs to cut the price on the PS3" etc I believe that everything Sony has done with the PS3 in terms of updates, redesigns, lowering costs, lowering prices etc has been part of their intended game plan. In other words I don't give much credence Microsoft compelling Sony to "cut prices" etc.

The PS3 is here for the long haul. It was designed with a long lifecycle when it first came out Blue Ray was in it's infancy. So the early adopters like any other tech product paid the expensive entry admission to have their new toy.

I don't think Sony really cared much about the 360. They knew what was out there. They knew their pricing and marketing model. The PS3 has been marketed differently and Sony hasn't flinched under any "pressure". They have stayed the course and over the years and clearly Blue Ray and the PS3 sales continue to grow.

As it stands now, the PS3 is becoming streamlined in it's designs and it's pricing. The price can only continue to fall but it's capabilities really haven't even been pushed yet. Whereas the 360 is just that: It's been out longer and for the most part it's capabilities have been seen. All Microsoft can do now is lower the pricing of it until they introduce a new hardware platform. It's undeniable Sony has a substancial advantage on their storage capacity and of course all their units are also a highdef player that is steadily becoming a house hold name world wide.

So welcome aboard with your new PS3. Fasten your seatbelt and hold on!


RE: Wow
By SPOOFE on 8/19/2009 6:59:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I believe that everything Sony has done with the PS3 in terms of updates, redesigns, lowering costs, lowering prices etc has been part of their intended game plan.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary? Despite the smug assurances from Krazy Ken that people will work extra hours or tighten their belts to buy a PS3? That the PS3 was "too cheap"? That Sony considered backwards-compatibility essential and crucial, yet nixed it practically ASAP? The promises that every game will run in native 1080P, or "true HD"?

Please.

The fact of the matter is that Sony is just NOW really pulling together a project that was fraught with lousy internal communication between the company heads and the engineers; that the technology was overhyped and underpowered (the last-minute addition of an actual graphics chip should be testament to that). Sony was betting that they'd be the dominant console presence No Matter What, and they were caught by surprise to find out it just wasn't so. They're reacting to the realities of the market instead of dictating them. They're making the right moves NOW to correct what were horrible blunders THEN.


RE: Wow
By Chaser on 8/20/2009 4:40:22 PM , Rating: 1
Well you're certainly the expert. And you have time to post on blogs. Too bad Sony's marketing and engineering departments should spend more constructive time reading your sage expertise.


RE: Wow
By Boze on 8/22/2009 11:54:47 AM , Rating: 2
Probably wouldn't be a bad idea... they might actually be seen as a reasonable alternative to an Xbox 360 or a Wii if they did listen to this guy.

Everyone talks about the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 like its the best thing in the world, and I'm afraid I just don't see it. With pressure coming in from both government and consumers for faster, lower cost connections, anti-bandwidth and download cap groups foaming at the mouth and beating at the gates of the large-scale networks, and the insanely high price of almost every Blu-Ray disc, I just cannot see Blu-Ray gaining any real market share, and certainly never approaching the levels of DVD.

DVD was in the right place at the right time. The commercial Internet was still in its toddler stages, high-speed broadband wasn't massively available over most of America, and the upgrade in picture quality, ease of use, handling, and overall convenience was massive. DVD had everything going for it.

Unlike Blu-Ray. Sure, it looks amazing, sounds amazing, its has most of DVDs advantages I mentioned above, but unfortunately, high speed broadband has now penetrated American homes. Hulu.com is just the first sign of things to come. I can go watch the first 5 seasons of Stargate SG-1 there for free, with a fraction of the commercials I'd see on television, anytime I want, on any netbook, laptop, or other connected computer I want.

In short, discs are dying as a method of content delivery. Sure, poor folks are still going to watch DVDs (Redbox for instance, look how fast its grown), but even poor folks are picking up broadband connections nowadays, and its only a matter of time until the word gets out that you can use your computer for more than e-mail and playing Soltaire (and don't kid yourself DailyTechers, there are lots of folks out there who honestly see that as the primary usage of a computer - sickening to us, I know, but the reality for them).

All I see with a PS3 is a $299 game machine that can play HD video discs that I'll never buy because they're overpriced anyway. On top of that, this game machine has the same games as my other consoles (Wii / Xbox 360). I'm sorry, I'm simply don't see the incentive for purchase, even at $299.


RE: Wow
By bill3 on 8/19/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wow
By Chaser on 8/19/2009 10:50:22 AM , Rating: 5
Luckily your personal preferences don't speak for the rest of the world. And most people contemplating a PS3 are looking or have something larger than a small 27 inch 720P TV.

Multiplatform games? (nice buzzword) You mean the games that are on the PC and 360 look worse than on the PS3? I don't think so, but you might want to try your comparisons on a large 1080P LCD, pla or LED monitor. But if that doesn't convience you take a look at the PS3 exclusives. I can assure you they clearly show the capabilities of the PS3 over the competiton.

And no, most people that buy PS3's are looking beyond "just a game console" obviously and are taking into consideration the ever growing expansion of Blue Ray. Well unless they buy a 360.


RE: Wow
By SPOOFE on 8/19/2009 7:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You mean the games that are on the PC and 360 look worse than on the PS3? I don't think so,

Sony's own exclusive games look awesome; more often than not, however, cross-platform games favor the 360 (similarly, MS's own first-party games also look better than many cross-platform titles). Sony's design may offer more theoretical power and number crunching, but there are too many testimonials from actual developers actually developing code for the Cell confirming what we already know: That it's a pain in the butt. The evidence indicating the relative ease of tapping the power of the 360 is rampant, leaving the astute observer to wonder, "What good is the theoretical power of the Cell if it's not practical to access?" There's some great games and some great features to the PS3, and the price drop and convergence of models is nothing but positive for gamers, but let's be honest here.


RE: Wow
By Chaser on 8/20/2009 4:52:48 PM , Rating: 1
In terms of cross platform games yes. Earlier ones that were ported over to the PS3 after the game was done on the 360 and/or the PC. In terms of present games I think there's a large fan base that doesn't want to see a join release look better on the PS3.

But on exclusives the developers are free to exploit the power of the PS3 unbridled by other platforms. And as I said those titles show the PS3's power very clearly, without "theory".


RE: Wow
By Regs on 8/20/2009 9:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget how MS lost the format war. That was a big kick in the nutts. WII is just...well...Wii. I rather go to the gym, play b-ball with friends, or run outside for a few miles if you asked me.


RE: Wow
By Akrovah on 8/18/2009 7:41:09 PM , Rating: 2
Forgive me for being a noob, but I do not have a 360, so can someone tell me what does Xbox line do that PSN does not? Every list of things I see about what Live does I can do on PSN as well, with the exception of Netflix without outside software.


RE: Wow
By Akrovah on 8/18/2009 7:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
*live - need and edit button.


RE: Wow
By SPOOFE on 8/18/2009 9:21:49 PM , Rating: 3
The major difference is that Xbox Live is universal, across all games, consistent and homogenous. PSN's "matching" of Xbox Live features only exists on paper; the truth is that online capabilities are provided by the individual game publishers, and as such can vary significantly from game to game. It's never been a significant thing for me, since I prefer single-player games, but for people that prefer multi-player it can be a make-or-break deal. Regardless, ignore what Sony says about online capabilities, because they only provide some of them.


RE: Wow
By Akrovah on 8/19/2009 11:03:58 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I've never seen a list from Sony themselves, just what I actually use. Prefering single player myself if the biggest benefit to Live is online matching then I'd rather not pay for it but rather just the stuff I actually want to use like movie rentals and DLC and such.

Thanks for the info.


RE: Wow
By Murst on 8/18/2009 3:36:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but it's going to be the same large, loud machine it has always been

I have the original 60GB PS3, and I bought a 360 Elite a few months ago. Maybe the newer PS3s are different, and I'm sure the older 360s are different, but my XBox is way quieter and runs much cooler than the PS3.

I never had an original Xbox 360, so I can't really comment on that, but the new ones are pretty much silent.

On something completely off topic... I was really hoping that some kind of GT5 or FFIII announcement would be made...


RE: Wow
By BansheeX on 8/18/2009 4:11:17 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I have the original 60GB PS3, and I bought a 360 Elite a few months ago. Maybe the newer PS3s are different, and I'm sure the older 360s are different, but my XBox is way quieter and runs much cooler than the PS3.


Ha, maybe when it's idle, but there's not a whole lot you can do to mask the additional noise inherent in DVD over BD. Because of its 5x higher data density, BD can spin at far lower speeds to achieve the same transfer rate. I've heard a Halo 3 disc spinning in a 360 tray and it the most noise I've ever heard coming out of a console.

The DVD drive made the 360's shelf price significantly cheaper to start, but don't act like you can have your cake and eat it, too. There's a price to pay for that move, and that's noise.


RE: Wow
By Netscorer on 8/18/2009 4:49:38 PM , Rating: 2
Since Xbox inroduced installation to Hard Drive, who cares how loud their DVD is? I know for a fact that my Jasper Xbox cooling fans are much more quite then my 80GB (old version) PS3.


RE: Wow
By Yongsta on 8/18/2009 6:07:59 PM , Rating: 3
There's a lot of people with 20GB Hard drives and you can't really install many games.


RE: Wow
By themaster08 on 8/19/09, Rating: 0
RE: Wow
By Hiawa23 on 8/19/2009 8:33:18 AM , Rating: 3
Since Xbox inroduced installation to Hard Drive, who cares how loud their DVD is? I know for a fact that my Jasper Xbox cooling fans are much more quite then my 80GB (old version) PS3.

I agree, I have a 80 GB PS3 upgraded to 120, & a launch 360, & a newer 3/2008 hdmi 360, & it's quieter, less heat than my PS3 especially with game installs, which all my games I play on the 360, except for a few are installed.

I don't buy consoles to watch movies other than Netflix streamin on the 360, but I want to see MS & Sony finally get into a price war as this is great for the consumer. Nintendo also needs to drop the price of the Gamec...ur Wii. I don't see how anyone could have an issue with this other than the fanboys.


RE: Wow
By themaster08 on 8/22/2009 2:34:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because of its 5x higher data density, BD can spin at far lower speeds to achieve the same transfer rate.

Good point. However, I thought that with BluRay being as high capacity as it is, files on the disc will also be higher capacity than they would on a regular DVD.

Thus acheiving DVD-like speeds on a BD would result in it being slower due to the aforementioned file capacities.

quote:
There's a price to pay for that move, and that's noise.

There's also a price to pay for this move also, and that's speed. Hence the reason it's manatory to install many games.

I acknowledge that the speed/mandatory install issue is well on the way to being completely resolved with methods such as load-while-playing and duplication, but as time goes by these games are only going to get larger in capacity. They will most probably always take longer to load than their Xbox DVD counterparts also.


RE: Wow
By killerroach on 8/18/2009 4:21:18 PM , Rating: 4
I have a 40GB PS3 (upgraded to a 320GB HDD) and a 360 Arcade (w/ 120GB HDD added later) off of the Falcon hardware. Between the two of them, the 360 is louder idling than the PS3 is at full fan speed. I've heard Jasper 360s are quieter idling, though their optical drive is still loud.

In terms of heat, I think my PS3 runs just a hair warmer, but they're close.

Then again, both consoles have newer hardware now than mine do, so they're undoubtedly quieter and cooler.


RE: Wow
By Einy0 on 8/18/2009 5:05:16 PM , Rating: 4
Agreed... $100 for USB Wifi is insane. You can buy a USB Wifi adapter for $5-$10 now... WTF MS get past ripping us off already... Drop the Wifi to $10-20 then I'll grab one. Drop the 120GB HDD to $50 then it'll be reasonable. How about a 500GB for $100-$120. Screw it sell a HDD upgrade kit add your own SATA 2.5" HDD. I'll pay $30 to upgrade my own HDD as I please like PS3 owners. At least add support to transfer game save and files over to a USB HDD.


RE: Wow
By BZDTemp on 8/19/2009 7:07:30 AM , Rating: 4
LOL I remember MS selling a XBOX link cable back in the day. I think it was $40 or so for what was really a black CAT5 patch cable which should have cost maybe $3.

MS have always done crap like that (Fx. The game ports on the XBOX was USB but the physical shape was different). The fact that they use a none-standard wireless connection for controllers and head set while Sony uses Bluetooth makes a huge difference. I can use just about any random phone headset and also a normal computer keyboard for the PS3. The PS3 controllers can be charged with a normal USB cable and I can even use a Motorola phone charger to juice up. With MS it´s their damn special cable.

I like the 360 but much prefer the PS3. Plus many of the good games on 360 are also PC titles which are then better on my PC (and cheaper).

The new PS3 will make a lot of people get on the Sony wagon. Many have been holding out for the price drop and a slim version just makes it a sweeter deal. Plus the HD-DVD vs Blu ray battle is over and Blu ray is now everywhere = +1 for the PS3.


RE: Wow
By bill3 on 8/19/09, Rating: -1
RE: Wow
By BPB on 8/19/2009 8:51:16 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
The average consumer is dumb, and the average consumer will NEVER upgrade the HD or use a bluetooth headset with PS3.
I have two nephews who epitomize the average consumer, and they both figured out pretty quick that they could use their bluetooth headsets to play GTA IV against each other last year.

quote:
Also you can use a normal keyboard on 360 as well, not sure where you got that.
Ah, but can you use a normal bluetooth keyboard? I have two, so that's a plus for me.

quote:
And I owned a PS3 and one thing I HATED was that 2.5 foot long recharge cable they include, and for some reason the controller was ALWAYS needing a charge it seemed, I dont know if the PS3 just doesnt auto shut down the controller with the system like 360 or what..but it was a HUGE annoyance back when I owned a PS3..seemingly every time I went to play the controller needed a charge, and I'd have to tether with that pathetically short recharge cable and sit way too close to the TV..also the PS3 controller charge input is not "normal" USB wtf? It might be mini-USB if anything.
I have never, ever had this problem. I am amazed at the battery life of my PS3 controllers. As to the cable, I got a free 10 footer with an accessory I purchased. I believe it is indeed a standard mini-USB, so it's not hard getting a longer cable.

quote:
Anyways manufacturers overcharging for accessories is nothing new to the console game or unique to MS. Trust me the $60 DS3 Sony sells does not cost them that much to make. Nor their $40 Sony HDMI cables, etc. There are a couple areas such as the hard drive people like to harp on Sony being superior to MS in, yet people dont mention such facts that Sony only allows you to re-DL purchased PSN content five times (only twice for movies!), while for MS it's unlimited, which is a HUGE deal but nobody even talks about it because it doesn't make Sony look good.
I can't imagine needing to re-DL something more than 2 times, let alone 5 times.

The bottom line is, you want to hate the PS3, go ahead. I have a 360 elite (got it when it came out so it's LOUD) and 2 60GB PS3's (I plan on getting another 360 sometime soon as well). The PS3's definitely get used more because they do more. I'm amazed how many people here don't get that these machines are being moved away from being gaming consoles and turned into entertainment centers. Sony and MS have been making that clear for years, yet folks here can't seem to get that into their heads. If MS wanted the 360 to be just a gaming console they wouldn't have paid Netflix boatloads of money for an exclusive. They wouldn't tout the Zune's ability to stream to the 360 despite the Zune not being a gaming platform.

MS is tying in as many products as they can to work with the 360 and PC's in the hopes we will get most of our entertainment via these methods. And Sony is doing a similar thing with it's PS3, PSP, TV's, and even newer cell phones. So folks should consider all that when they purchase, and for me at least, right now Sony has the edge. To get my 360's to do what my PS3's can do would cost me a decent amount of money, and even then, my 360 will never play blu-ray movies.


RE: Wow
By jRaskell on 8/19/2009 1:25:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The average consumer is dumb, and the average consumer will NEVER upgrade the HD or use a bluetooth headset with PS3.


The fact that bluetooth headsets proliferate the cellphone market directly refutes that claim.


RE: Wow
By drmo on 8/18/2009 3:20:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I might actually buy one now. Have to wait to see if the 360 cuts prices too.

Analysts have been saying that the Wii will cut prices soon (of course, they have been saying that for 2 years). Still, given the much lower technology in the Wii console, they could probably cut it by $100, and still make money. But if they can still sell it at $250, they will. Maybe they should just bundle in a couple more games, and that would add in some more "value".


RE: Wow
By dark matter on 8/18/2009 3:29:20 PM , Rating: 1
I bought one of the old PS3's around Christmas last year. I sold it a few months later for almost the same price I bought it for. I didn't play the games, as I had my PC. I wasn't happy about the network play and it didn't look right next to my AV equipment.

This is a lot more understated, and it looks as though they have got rid of that gloss effect, thankfully!

I will probably buy one again this Christmas, purely for the multimedia capabilities, not interested in the games.


RE: Wow
By Murst on 8/18/2009 3:41:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I didn't play the games

quote:
I wasn't happy about the network play

So... what exactly did you play on the network?


RE: Wow
By jkresh on 8/18/2009 3:38:08 PM , Rating: 2
ps3 doesn't really compete with the wii (neither does the 360, at least until natal is out). Nintendo may lower the price (wouldn't be shocked to see a $199 wii soon) but wii has no direct competition for the moment. Owning all 3 (since launch), I can say that the ps3 and 360 compete nicely (though I prefer the 360) and for single player, graphically intense games they both slaughter the wii.

Wii has first party games (mario, zelda, metroid, wii sports) and motion friendly sports (Tennis, Tiger Wooods...),m for multiple people just having fun the wii is great, for serious gaming it doesn't have much. Only party style games that are better on other consoles are music games (rockband/guitar hero...)


RE: Wow
By joemoedee on 8/18/2009 3:59:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nintendo may lower the price (wouldn't be shocked to see a $199 wii soon) but wii has no direct competition for the moment. Owning all 3 (since launch), I can say that the ps3 and 360 compete nicely


I doubt Nintendo will lower the price, there's no need to. It still outsells the competition, and Nintendo has always been a bottom-line kind of company.

It will be interesting to see MS's counter to this move. Maybe a 60GB for $199 with the 120GB for $299?


RE: Wow
By guacamojo on 8/18/2009 4:30:13 PM , Rating: 2
I seem to recall that the wii was profitable at launch, almost 3 years ago. Nintendo's costs must be significantly better now. If wii sales started to dip, they could certainly afford to lower their prices to compensate.

Nintendo's in an extremely enviable position. Sony and MS can't really afford to match Nintendo on price because their machines cost more. They have to convince buyers that all their other features are worth the extra expense.

That's a hard sell in a down market.


RE: Wow
By sviola on 8/18/2009 4:29:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
for multiple people just having fun the wii is great, for serious gaming it doesn't have much


just when I thought that gaming was all about fun...

go wonder...


RE: Wow
By Alexstarfire on 8/18/2009 5:47:07 PM , Rating: 1
You forget that most people equip serious with good graphics. They also equip it with blood and dark colors.


RE: Wow
By chick0n on 8/18/2009 4:07:26 PM , Rating: 3
to me, Wii worth GameCube's price only.

Maybe less now.

if u want me to buy one, I would pay 50, tops.

My Wii has been collecting dust for over a year. It has no games, and I cant do anything else with it. Weather? No thanks. my tv can tell me that.


RE: Wow
By guacamojo on 8/18/2009 4:17:04 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
if u want me to buy one, I would pay 50, tops. My Wii has been collecting dust for over a year.


Um, if you already bought one, then you voted "yes" to the $250 price tag.


RE: Wow
By elegault on 8/18/2009 4:45:03 PM , Rating: 1
Depends what you want... I find playing Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit much more fun than any thumb-thrashing console game.

So do my kids!!!

Heck, I'm even thinking of buying a second Wii for the upstairs TV. (Currently has a GameCube)


RE: Wow
By Hiawa23 on 8/19/2009 7:48:46 AM , Rating: 2
I hear many gamers saying they will trade in their current PS3s for this one. I can't see doing that. I think it's great that Sony finally confirmed speculations, & hopefully this is the spark they need, but what will the Sony Defense Force say if this really doesn't increase sales like some think. I own all the consoles so who sells what compared to the others I could care less, but by just looking at the pics, you can't help but be impressed with Sony's engineering team as the smaller PS3, given the power of the console looks like no power brick, or a very small one inside, & still maintain all the functionality of the original, less, heat, greener is pretty amazing. 360 is king in my home but you have to be impressed with the new model, I don't care what kind of fan you are. this is great news for gamers, now the 360 has a price cut, the PS3 has a price cut now the enhanced Gamecube...ur Wii certainly needs on.


RE: Wow
By BPB on 8/19/2009 10:12:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I own all the consoles so who sells what compared to the others I could care less, but by just looking at the pics, you can't help but be impressed with Sony's engineering team as the smaller PS3, given the power of the console looks like no power brick, or a very small one inside, & still maintain all the functionality of the original, less, heat, greener is pretty amazing.
It does NOT have the same functionality of the original. I have 2 60GB PS3's, and they do more. I play PS2 games on both, the Slim will not do that, and I can load other OSes on the 60GB, that is not possible in the Slim. My 60GB's have more USB slots and memory card readers as well. I imagine one or two others things may have been dropped as well. I saw a comparison chart, but forgot what else it said.


RE: Wow
By Hiawa23 on 8/19/2009 10:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
It does NOT have the same functionality of the original. I have 2 60GB PS3's, and they do more. I play PS2 games on both, the Slim will not do that, and I can load other OSes on the 60GB, that is not possible in the Slim. My 60GB's have more USB slots and memory card readers as well. I imagine one or two others things may have been dropped as well. I saw a comparison chart, but forgot what else it said.

I should have stated, it's functionally the same PS3 as I don't care about being able to play PS2 games. I still have my PS2 & can't even stomach the look of most of the PS2 games, which look bad in HD to me, so whether or not my PS3 plays PS2 games, is not any concern to me.

As far as the USB ports, mine has 4 but honestly, 2 is fine. Operating system changes I would never do so this is of no concern to me either.

Does the console play PS3 games, does it connect online, that's the only reason I buy consoles for, so again, I am highly impressed with what Sony did here.

Of course they had to cut some things to bring down the cost. I agree there probably are more things removed but for the masses, most will not care & if they do they would already have PS3 or get a different model.


Matte!
By Sagath on 8/18/2009 3:20:11 PM , Rating: 1
Yay to no glossy model. And now, for some alternate colours like the MGS promo...

Death to Fingerprints!




RE: Matte!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:24:12 PM , Rating: 4
Hmmm, my PS3 doesn't have any fingerprints on it... just dust. I mean, how many times do you really need to move the machine?


RE: Matte!
By ClownPuncher on 8/18/09, Rating: -1
RE: Matte!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:51:57 PM , Rating: 3
My router/cable modem is upstairs with the rest of the computers.

My TV is downstairs in the den...


RE: Matte!
By Murst on 8/18/2009 4:52:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My router/cable modem is upstairs with the rest of the computers.

My TV is downstairs in the den...

I have the exact same problem. I ended up buying a router, installing DDWRT on it, and using it as a bridge. The speed is pretty good, and it cost about $40 plus an hour of my time...


RE: Matte!
By Akrovah on 8/18/2009 7:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
I also had this problem, though my solution was to get in the attic and drop CAT 5e network lines/jacks in the walls. Works great, especially when I move the computer to the living room for some big screen PC gaming goodness.

I suppose that would be difficult with a two story house though.


RE: Matte!
By JackBurton on 8/18/2009 3:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
No doubt. Seriously, what are you guys doing with your PS3s that you're touching it so much. Wait...I may not want to know the answer to that.

I have a 60GB PS3 and the only thing that is collects is dust. I do a quick wipe and BAM, looks as good as new. Even when playing games I don't touch it. I power on with the remote, load the game and that's it. The eject button is the only button I really touch regularly. I actually prefer the glossy finish to the matte. The matte just looks tacky.


RE: Matte!
By SPOOFE on 8/18/2009 9:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously, what are you guys doing with your PS3s that you're touching it so much.

Visiting a buddy's house, maybe? I know a few pals that regularly bring their system to some other place; one friend has a 360 and the other a PS3, and they both regularly shift locations. I dunno, I guess they find playing video games to be fun or something.


RE: Matte!
By Nfarce on 8/18/2009 4:14:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I mean, how many times do you really need to move the machine?


I can't speak for others, but just about every time I go on a business trip or to visit family; or to bring it over to a friend's party.


RE: Matte!
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 4:35:30 PM , Rating: 3
That's what my Wii is for :) The Wii is the crowd pleaser with my friends/family. I'm the only one that plays the PS3.


RE: Matte!
By homernoy on 8/20/2009 6:26:48 PM , Rating: 2
Some here. Break the Wii out and the Aunt, Uncles, and even Grandma might give it a go. The PS3 or my gaming PC, not so much.


Models...
By BrandtTheMan on 8/18/2009 2:57:09 PM , Rating: 2
How many damn models of the PS3 are we up to now? I seriously lost track.




RE: Models...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 2:58:18 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Models...
By BrandtTheMan on 8/18/2009 3:02:04 PM , Rating: 3
Bah you and your internet ways :p


RE: Models...
By deeznuts on 8/18/2009 3:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares? They all play PS3 games. they all play blurays.

Unless you were trying to start a collection. My launch 20gb still works like a charm. I don't even play ps2 games on it, so maybe I should upgrade the HDD and sell it, and get the new slim. Or keep it and buy both, one for the room, one for the family room.


RE: Models...
By SPOOFE on 8/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: Models...
By Chaser on 8/19/2009 12:24:59 PM , Rating: 3
They are improving the model and lowering costs. Its called innovation.

But regardless of which one you choose you get the same gaming hardware capapbiities along with a built-in Blue Ray player and a hard drive unlike another console that has had endless models many with vastly different capabilities and cost points.


RE: Models...
By SPOOFE on 8/19/2009 7:13:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
They are improving the model and lowering costs. Its called innovation.

Irrelevent to what I was talking about. Hint: Observe the tense, and note that it's past and not present.

quote:
unlike another console that has had endless models many with vastly different capabilities and cost points.

... All of which had the same gaming hardware capabilities and uniformity of drive media. Hey, remind me again, which PS3's support backwards-compatibility, and which don't?


RE: Models...
By themaster08 on 8/20/2009 4:24:03 AM , Rating: 2
And which have a card reader, and which don't?

And which have 4 USB ports, and which have 2?

And which have chrome covered Blu Ray slot, and which don't?

These aren't improvements, they're cut backs to save on cost. Good move by Sony, but hardly innovative.


Grill
By inighthawki on 8/18/2009 2:57:17 PM , Rating: 2
With the slim design, the question now is how will it affect my grilling experience?




RE: Grill
By deeznuts on 8/18/2009 3:21:19 PM , Rating: 4
If you grill on a george foreman grill you should have your male card revoked.


RE: Grill
By SiN on 8/18/2009 3:27:19 PM , Rating: 4
or have shaved enough fat off your diet to make up for all the inactivity you spend playing games


RE: Grill
By Alexstarfire on 8/18/2009 5:54:42 PM , Rating: 2
I never thought I'd post about a George Forman Grill on here, but here I am. I guess you don't go on vacation that much, with that or you have money you don't mind parting with. Going on a vacation for a week or more and not staying at a house I find the GF grill very useful. Far more portable than a grill and helps you save money on food.

And to the other guy who posted..... what you think we do with all the runoff from the grill? Use it as dipping sauce of course.


RE: Grill
By Hiawa23 on 8/19/2009 8:43:18 AM , Rating: 2
If you grill on a george foreman grill you should have your male card revoked.

I grill all my meat on the George Foreman grill & I don't think any guy needs some faceless internet guy to tell them how they should conduct their lives. Where do you guys get this tuff from, LOL..


RE: Grill
By Regs on 8/20/2009 9:55:05 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously. The guy likely has his meals cooked by his mother 6-7 days a week. If he cooked for himself he would appreciate the grill and how fast it cooks and easy to clean.


I LIKE IT
By Belard on 8/18/2009 8:58:14 PM , Rating: 1
It looks great, more console like and very sleek.

While its 34% smaller overall - its height (or thickness) is easily about half.

And with this being "slim" (Hope it has a better name), I wonder if they'll keep the big model on market? The bog model makes for a better Entertainment system - but then again, it doesn't look very much like a NON-console either.

They can fit the new guts into old-body, stick in a 500GB HD and sell it for $400+

Xbox360... still a hot box and always ugly (IMO).

Looks like there is a HD-bay cover, which is a must have.

At $300, its a very good deal over the $400 which was also sold at a fair value over the Xbox360 because the PS3 always had more features that would cost extra on the 360. Which the Elite itself has sold for $370~475. As we know, the Elite will replace the Pro model and sell for $300. A good move. Black for high end with HD, beige for lower end.

Someone said the Wii will have problems... it may. But its so cheap to make (It's gamecube 2.0, okay) that Nintendo can easily reduce the price to $150~200 and still make more profit than MS/SONY with their consoles.

BTW: Sony kept their word, they are NOT reducing the price of the PS3! They only made a cheaper model. ;)

Can't make a chart... but at $300, the new PS3 ends up being cheaper than the Xbox Elite.

$380 - Xbox360 Elite: 120GB + Wireless Ethernet / No HD-Media support.
$300 - PS3-Slim: 120GB HD, includes wireless.
$250 - Wii: 0GB HD (none), No DVD or HD-Media playback.

*HD Media = BluRay.

Sony made a better console. It's sales should jump.
Sony has ALWAYS been exactly 1 year behind the 360 in sales... because it came out 1 year later! Since day one, the PS3 has been about 7million units behind.

*I don't own any console, but with PC not getting some of the AA titles anymore (not many). A console is looking better. I'd get the PS3 slim over the original PS3.




RE: I LIKE IT
By epobirs on 8/19/2009 12:17:22 AM , Rating: 2
You're placing a lot of presumption on WiFi as a necessity. The PS3 in my house gets no use from its wireless. The downstairs is connected to the upstairs router via powerline bridges, with an 8-port switch connecting all of the consoles and other gear in the entertainment center.

You are also making a presumption on the value of HD media. A major portion of the user base for the PS3 and Xbox 360 are using them to drive NTSC displays. HD adoption still has a long ways to go before ubiquity. Likewise, many with HD displays for gaming disparage the higher prices of Blu-ray releases and feel they are well served with upconverted DVDs. That is, if they bother buying DVDs anymore. My PS3 gets more use as a DiVx player than as a game system.

These caveats make the PS3 advantages less clear cut in the market. Those with substantially disposable incomes will simply buy both and apply their strengths, while those on a budget may frequently find Microsoft better serves their limited budget for luxuries such as games.

It simply doesn't come down to a checklist FTW.


RE: I LIKE IT
By Belard on 8/19/2009 5:06:04 AM , Rating: 2
My check list isn't very big. The new PS3 is, for the most part, no different in feature list than the old models. GEEZ, the PS3 now have OLD and NEW models :)

For many people, the console is in the living room where they may NOT have Ethernet wired.

A LOT of people make use of the 802.11 wireless because of that... and having it included for FREE in the PS3 & Wii is a good value for their customers.

Obviously, MS choose to make an extra $50~70 profit per wireless adapter sold.... as well as it would most likely be another thing to fail in the Xbox360.

A friend kid bought an xbox (avg intelligence) and was setting it up in his room to his TV. I asked him if he had plans for online games? He said "Yeah!", I asked him how since he didn't have Ethernet in his room. (His PC uses 802.11 of course). I told him the PS3 had wireless. which costs the same after gets another $100 to buy the wireless adapter.

He didn't need specifically an XBOX. Just a new console.

HD Media is growing in Value as HD-TVs become cheaper and of course HDTV is the only thing broadcasting in the air.

rented/downloaded videos are compressed and looked like crap compared to a blu-ray movie.

- DL movies do not include the extras of real media.
- DL movies are DRM, locked to your hardware. (what happened when you buy a new unit?)
- DL movies cost about the same as a rental or purchase of real media.
- DL movies/DIVX are compressed and perhaps look about the same as upcoverted DVD... a blu-ray movie in 1080 is amazing.
- DL movies require HD space for storage. Hence, the number of Xbox users is not as high as it seems since many units have died, been resold as its user base buys bigger HD model with less heat issues. A 20GB Xbox360 was always almost useless. A 60GB Xbox360 can only hold about 5~6 720p movies.

Compare that to perhaps hundreds of Real Media discs, DVD or Blu-Ray.

Typical purchase of DL movie is $15~25, SD - but moving towards 720p at least. With all its problems of non-transportability.

If you can save the movie to another drive (or as SONY - you can buy a 500GB drive and add it yourself) - lets do some math, lets say a 720p compressed movie is 10GB. A 500GB drive is $100 (2.5" for PS3 / xbox- if hacked) which means you can store about 50 movies. That costs about $2 per title in storage space.

A typical Blu-Ray movie is $15~25 now. You get 1080, lots of extras, deleted scenes, commentaries, etc. Completely portable in that you CAN TAKE IT WITH YOU to a friends house and watch the movie.

A rental of JUST the movie is $17~30, with all the problems that it comes with.

DL movies / videos have their place. In rentals, mostly.
I use ON-DEMAND with my cable service, its free. Very handy.


RE: I LIKE IT
By psychobriggsy on 8/19/2009 7:16:02 AM , Rating: 2
I think you are overestimating the number of people with wired ethernet near their TVs. However there are solutions, but they involve cables and boxes.

The PS3 Slim has a really nice feature for many people (especially the 25+ market that have wives that nag them about messiness) - Power Cable -> PS3 -> HDMI -> TV. No power supply. No Ethernet cable (and switch/router). It just gets out of the way, is quiet, and merges a lot of functionality.

I think the PS3 Slim is now the desirable product to own compared to the 360 at the same price. Even neglecting wireless, I think it's better value. Even neglecting BluRay as well, it's neater (unless you like your nest of cables and don't have someone nagging you!).

Just my opinion, of course. The 360 does have its advantages, like the game library, slightly better graphics, online play (albeit it costs), and decorative red ring LED display.

Also why doesn't the PS3 have rear USB ports for the EyeTV and PlayTV?


RE: I LIKE IT
By ET on 8/19/2009 1:10:06 AM , Rating: 2
If you care about wireless, you could mention that for the Wii. It not only contains WiFi but also wireless controllers out of the box.


RE: I LIKE IT
By Belard on 8/19/2009 4:47:34 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't mention it for the Wii because its not an optional add-on.

Nor did I bother saying anything about wireless controllers, since all are... wireless. Original Xboxes had wired, of course.


No more easy HDD upgrades?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:19:53 PM , Rating: 1
Looking at the pics on Sony's flickr page, I don't see a "hatch" to allow easy access to replace the HDD :(

Oh well, I guess that was an expensive design feature of the original.




RE: No more easy HDD upgrades?
By dark matter on 8/18/2009 3:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm. Could possibly be a deal breaker for me.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 8/18/2009 3:39:08 PM , Rating: 2
I saw on another forum that it could possibly be in the "hatch" below the Blu-ray slot.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.


RE: No more easy HDD upgrades?
By chick0n on 8/18/2009 3:43:15 PM , Rating: 3
Its at the lower Right corner.

are you blind ?


RE: No more easy HDD upgrades?
By teng029 on 8/19/2009 3:04:41 AM , Rating: 1
were you born an asshole or did you have to work on it?


WOW 2!!!
By jvillaro on 8/18/2009 5:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
OMG how cool is that a remote controled George Foreman Grill!!!




RE: WOW 2!!!
By bill3 on 8/19/2009 8:01:38 AM , Rating: 1
you win the thread. or blog comments section, or whatever this is.


RE: WOW 2!!!
By Belard on 8/20/2009 3:38:23 AM , Rating: 2
I hope they make a remote for the joypads.


Blue Ray on the PS3
By Hakuryu on 8/18/2009 6:06:23 PM , Rating: 1
The argument most commonly brought up in the PS3 vs 360 debate is Blue Ray.

I have a 360 Elite and only watch Netflix streamed movies, never a DVD because my standalone unit is much better with the remote allowing you to track back and forth via a wheel, set bookmarks, and a host of other options just not available on the 360.

For those that have a PS3 and have used a stand alone Blue Ray player - do you really find the PS3 Blue Ray player to be a good option to play movies compared to a stand alone player?




RE: Blue Ray on the PS3
By probedb on 8/19/2009 7:50:29 AM , Rating: 2
Blu-Ray....no 'e' ;)

It's a great Blu-Ray player, in fact still the fastest out there for user experience as far as I know. Connectivity is what lets it down but compared to standalones as well as power usage.


RE: Blue Ray on the PS3
By bighairycamel on 8/19/2009 10:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, my standalone player collects dust now because it's so much slower than the PS3. Also, I don't have to regularly go online and check for firmware updates to play newer movies because that's part of the PS firmware that gets automatically downloaded. The $25 (or 30) blu-ray remote for the PS3 gives you all the functionality of a standalone player. Plus it's Bluetooth so no pointing and aiming like a standard IR remote.

If you simply want a blu-ray player get a standalone because they are coming down in price (much lower than a $299 PS3, even saw a PC drive for $69). But as a fringe benefit of buying a video game console it's definitely appealing.


off topic
By bill3 on 8/19/2009 8:06:46 AM , Rating: 3
>>"The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak." -- Robert Heinlein>>

Yeah, that's actually not what it's like at all. Further, in todays America it's usually liberals you see grousing about censorship, yet factually, they love censorship (look how they all constantly attack Fox News for not toe-ing the left wing line like all the other news networks), or look at hate speech laws in left wing Europe and Canada. Or just go try to air a KKK or tobacco ad on your local TV station and see how far you get. When the left says they dont like censorship, what they mean is they only want what they want censored.




RE: off topic
By Belard on 8/20/09, Rating: 0
RE: off topic
By Belard on 8/22/2009 7:12:57 AM , Rating: 2
Neo-cons baby wetters suck thumbs wave arms


We're all known.......
By SSDMaster on 8/18/2009 4:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
You seriously can't even type your title right?
Its time to put on your big boy pants and read your articles.




RE: We're all known.......
By Visual on 8/19/2009 7:13:32 AM , Rating: 2
Subtitle, not title.
No offense man, but you really have to be more accurate or else they will never find their mistake. You don't expect them to actually read the whole thing? ;)


I've already commented but...
By CZroe on 8/18/2009 5:00:31 PM , Rating: 2
What about USB ports on the freakin' rear, dammit?!

;)

I'd love to have a hub back there with all the USB dongles plugged into it (SingStar, PS Eye, Ghitar Hero/Rosk Band, etc) with the front ports being for my USB thumb drive, temporary accessories (visiting friend's hardware), charging, etc. I'm almost tempted to redirect one like I've seen another modder do.




RE: I've already commented but...
By Belard on 8/18/2009 8:26:50 PM , Rating: 2
er...

There are 2 USB ports in the front.

The new PS3 has all the same ports as the current model 80/160 model.

They did remove the master powerswitch off the back. Means you'll have to pull the powercord. ;)


Impressive
By OAKside24 on 8/18/2009 3:45:49 PM , Rating: 1
The PS3 is now very competitively priced, and The Slim will surely sell like... something that sells well now that the Spider-Man font has been replaced. Kind of hard to believe that its guts have shrunken enough to fit in there.




RE: Impressive
By guacamojo on 8/18/2009 4:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
Ditto that.

I like the design of the PS3 Slim, and the price point is certainly compelling. IMO, it's way better than the old case design, and hurray for no Spider-Man font or SIXAXIS controller.

I'd like it even better without the unnecessary logos on the "HD Hatch" showing all the standards it's compatible with... (DVD, Blu Ray, HDMI... there are 8 of them!) but that's a small price to pay for the overall improvement.


No more OtherOS. :( HDD upgrade?
By CZroe on 8/18/2009 4:14:05 PM , Rating: 1
They removed the ability to install OtherOS (Linux and alternate operating systems), thus removing officially-sanctioned homebrew support. After the recent XBOX 360 news, this leaves it as the last un-hacked current-gen console and suddenly gives it a reason to be the target of homebrew hackers.

On another note, I don't see a HDD access door on any of the pics. Is the HDD still user-upgradeable? I've had a 120GB drive in mine since 2007.




RE: No more OtherOS. :( HDD upgrade?
By BansheeX on 8/18/09, Rating: 0
RE: No more OtherOS. :( HDD upgrade?
By CZroe on 8/18/2009 4:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not talking about drive-hacking for piracy. I'm talking about TMBINC & crew's recent exploit for homebrew.


By TerranMagistrate on 8/19/2009 10:50:49 AM , Rating: 2
Following the original PS2 release date in the U.S. as the PS3 slim is now after the original PS3.

This will definitely boost sales for the months and probably years to come now that more people play video games and own HDTVs.




Another one?
By homernoy on 8/20/2009 6:11:33 PM , Rating: 2
Geez, I am really tempted to purchase another PS3. It will probably end up in the main TV room, just because of the way it looks, and it woulde take up less space. Blu-ray really makes this thing a great value in my opinion.

I find myself really being a PC gamer most of the time, but every once in awhile it's really nice to play the PS3 or Wii.




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The price is a good news.
By Loren Lo on 8/25/2009 5:23:58 AM , Rating: 2
I don't care about slim or not, price is a key. Xbox360, Wii and PS3, no one could say itself No.1. So just watching.

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By Belard on 8/18/2009 9:34:43 PM , Rating: 1
Prices have dropped for ALL PS3 in retail chains.

The PS3 80GB is now $300
The PS3 120GB is now $400

Both include a free game, of course.




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