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Opera 10 beta 1, released today, has expandable tabs -- drag a bar beneath the tabs and they become thumbnails. The browser is also much faster, easily beating Firefox 3.0.10 in speed, and giving Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 a run for its money.  (Source: DailyTech)

The browser's only glaring weakness is its handling of Javascript/Flash blocking. Unlike Firefox's NoScript, blocking Javascript in Opera 10 remains an all or nothing affair. If you block Javascript, you block ads often, but you'll also block content, as seen here on SportsIllustrated.com.  (Source: DailyTech)
A test drive of Opera 10 shows it to be shaping up to be a very impressive release

Though still young in the development cycle, Opera 10, which hit the web today in beta 1 form, is shaping up to be a potentially must-have release for Windows, OS X, and Linux users alike.  The smoking fast browser packs some great innovations and puts older competitors, like Firefox 3 on notice.

First of all, the new browser uses advanced compression technology to deliver better performance on low bandwidth connections like public Wi-Fi, dial-up, or throttled connections.  Secondly, the browser is compatible with the highest current web standards.  Built on the Opera Presto 2.2 engine, it scores a perfect 100/100 on the Acid3 compatibility test.  The new engine adds Web Fonts support, RGBA/HSLA color, SVG improvements, and more.

Where the browser truly shines is its speed.  It loads pages extremely fast.  DailyTech took it for a spin on a Fedora 10 desktop installation, to try some page loads.  DailyTech.com loaded in 1.2 seconds in Opera 10 beta 1, versus approximately 2.2 seconds in Firefox 3.0.10.  Likewise, SportsIllustrated.com (via CNN) had first and second load speeds of 4 seconds and 1 seconds in Opera, versus 11 seconds and 9 seconds in Firefox.  It may not sound like much, but like Internet Explorer 8, the difference over Firefox's latest build is noticeable -- and Opera 10 even appears to surpass IE 8 in load speeds.

One improved feature of the release is Speed Dial, an exclusive Opera feature which allows you to see and pick from your favorite sites when opening a new tab.  Refined, it now supports up to 25 favorites, and the ability to set custom backgrounds.  Opera 10 also adds nicer integration with web mail clients like Gmail.

Another highlight-reel addition is the ability to resize your tabs.  By dragging a bar beneath the tabs downwards, the tabs become tiny thumbnail screenshots of the page.  While primarily a graphical effect, it certainly adds "wow" factor to the browser, and gives it a decidedly next generation feel.  The effect resembles the "Windows Peek" feature in the upcoming Windows 7.

Other additions include an impressive inline spell checker.  Also, if you want a lightweight email client, akin to Microsoft Outlook or Mozilla Thunderbird, Opera sports a refined version of Opera Mail.  And for developers, the new browser packs a new and improved version of Opera Dragonfly.  The new version includes tools to edit the DOM and inspect HTTP headers of pages you're debugging.

The only real disappointment here is security/ad-blocking.  While popup blocking is a breeze, it'd be nice to see a bit more selective JavaScript and Flash blocking, along the lines of NoScript.  Currently it’s easy to block scripts on a site, but blocking via the menus is an all or nothing affair, making it impractical for sights that use JavaScript for content you actually want.

While the official release of Opera 10 may be some time away, the browser is already shaping up impressively.  Ultra-fast and packing a great set of features, the browser definitely will lure away some Firefox users, and maybe even a few Safari or IE 8 users.  It’s definitely worth a download, if only to take it for a quick test ride.

Update 1:
There is a good way to block ads after-all, that's actually been around since Opera 9.  To access it, right click anywhere on a page that doesn't have linked content.  Then select "Block Content" then proceed to click on all content you want block (ads) and finally click "Done" on the top of the page.  White space will appear for a bit, but reloads will fix this.  Also you can use .ini filters to further block ad content.

Also, Mozilla currently is beta testing Firefox 3.5, which is expected to deliver substantial speed improvements.  Expect an upcoming article to look at speed between all the browsers' latest betas or releases.



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I always liked Opera...
By Bender 123 on 6/3/2009 2:08:47 PM , Rating: 5
I always liked the Opera Browser, but it will have to be something truly special to drive me from Chrome...As I type this in an IE 6 window at the old job...(sigh...)

I just think Opera has fallen so far off the pace of human consciousness, that it will be near impossible to overcome Firefox/IE. Chrome can overcome because of Google, but what/who will push Opera?




RE: I always liked Opera...
By Luticus on 6/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: I always liked Opera...
By cyriene on 6/3/2009 2:35:43 PM , Rating: 3
Mozilla whined too...


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Luticus on 6/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: I always liked Opera...
By invidious on 6/3/2009 3:04:02 PM , Rating: 5
Yes unfortunately Opera suffered from the "my friend who is a real wiz with computers says that firefox is the best browser" issue. Misinformation and a general lack of awareness has hindered its market growth.

Personally I think Opera is the better browser. I like not having to install addons, the looks, the low memory footprint, and of course the speed.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Luticus on 6/3/2009 3:29:39 PM , Rating: 3
I also prefer Opera to Firefox. On my Debian machine Firefox seemed a bit unstable, even when I loaded the 3.0 release. YouTube seemed to crash a bit, don't know if it was just my machine or a bad install or what but I can say that Opera works fine.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By stmok on 6/3/2009 8:06:39 PM , Rating: 3
(1) It isn't you.
(2) It isn't Debian.
(3) It isn't your machine.

Its because there are odd issues when you have Firefox 3.0.x with Adobe Flash. In that combination, Firefox seems to crap itself under certain situations. (I removed Flash, and noticed everything is solid.)

I've only used Opera 9.6 on slower Linux boxes (Celeron "Tualatin" 1.2Ghz and 1.4Ghz), but there is a noticeable difference with Youtube.

Opera is smoother in playback compared to Firefox. Firefox starts off smooth, but then after a bit, it gets jerky. This corresponds with the occasional "100% CPU usage" spikes. I don't see that issue with Opera. (Even though CPU usage remains about 90% during playback).

This is with Debian Stable, Ubuntu 9.04 (command line install), Vector Linux, Arch Linux, etc.

Then again, Adobe Flash just sucks in Linux. Damn you Adobe! Damn you! The world longs for the day to rid ourselves of this nonsense! HTML v5...

Currently, I just use DownloadHelper Extension in Firefox to download the flash videos. Playing it back on VLC or MPlayer uses 2/3rds less CPU.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Luticus on 6/4/2009 8:53:41 AM , Rating: 2
I really like Opera in Linux, the only reason I even bothered to try it out was because Firefox kept bombing every time I'd go visit YouTube. I will say that I'm really glad I did try it though, now it's one of the first things I download and install on any 'nix machine I set up.

I'm also wondering how Chrome will run on 'nix.

Also, I'm really glad it's not me, my machine, or Debian though. I was starting to wonder if I had something incorrectly configured.

Download/playback is a good solution but for me it's just too much work to go through in order to watch stupid videos with guys lighting their junk on fire or doing other stupid things. I think the show Jackass get's its clips of people doing stupid things from YouTube, or maybe collegehumor... who knows.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By grant2 on 6/3/2009 4:30:34 PM , Rating: 4
Amen to that. Firefox has a marketing army of dedicated nerds to get it out there.

Opera's just struggling on its own... the REAL underdog. (despite, imho, being the best of the bunch)


RE: I always liked Opera...
By FaceMaster on 6/3/2009 10:02:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well, I don't really care that much about which browser I use. They all feel about the same to me, but I'm more familiar with firefox now and it seems to work well, with the exception of the 100% cpu problem once every blue moon. I'm slightly more familiar to the little quirks you get with firefox, and I end up doing things on other browsers that end up not doing what I want them to do because of my familiarity with firefox.

It's a browser, it views web pages. After 10000 different versions I think they're all becoming pretty polished by now. I don't care about supporting the under dog, I just want something I can get used to. Much like Windows XP. And anybody who says that I should care, or that I'm a noob, can just keep it to themselves, since I'm happy the way I am.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By quiksilvr on 6/3/2009 10:54:26 PM , Rating: 2
It may have the edge on speed and memory, but it doesn't have the edge on add-ons and extensions. That's what makes Firefox great; you can make it your own. I have been using Chrome 2.0 Beta (is it really a Beta? its more stable and faster than the official one) and use that for its sheer speed and low memory, but when I need my add-ons and extensions (Adblock Plus, DownloadHelper, DownThemAll), I use Firefox 3.

And Firefox 3 really cut down on its memory usage when compared to Firefox 2 and I can't wait until Firefox 4 comes out and makes another amazing jump.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Oregonian2 on 6/3/2009 4:36:18 PM , Rating: 3
I love firefox because of the plugins. They are plentiful and many are wonderful.

For example, I can go to any of many dozen major food-related websites and can "extract" a recipe (including photo) by clicking ONE button (on a plugin generated toolbar), and then I can export it to my MasterCook recipe program equally instantaneously. So incredibly useful. And that's just one example.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By kkwst2 on 6/3/2009 5:36:20 PM , Rating: 2
I use a (seemingly) similar program for managing research publication citations, called Zotero. It far exceeds commercial alternatives like Reference Manager. If I could only get my colleagues to switch, I would completely get rid of Reference Manager.

It's styles database is actually far more accurate and current than the commercial products.

This and XMarks keep me on Firefox, though XMarks has now been ported to other browsers.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By tdawg on 6/3/2009 5:49:23 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I can't live without the AdBlock extension for Firefox.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By tdawg on 6/3/2009 5:50:34 PM , Rating: 3
Forgot to add, GreaseMonkey is great too. I don't think that's available on any of the other browsers, but I could be wrong. The extensions are what keep me coming back to Firefox. If not for them, I would probably be a Chrome user most of the time.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Luticus on 6/4/2009 9:03:45 AM , Rating: 2
For me, I never got the whole plug-in argument. I think people are trying to make browsers into something there not. Personally I want a browser to quickly open (NO LOADING TIME), show me the webpage I want (without cluttering up my screen space with 9,000 tool bars), support tabs, download stuff, be secure, and maybe have an FTP client built in.

I guess I can see the customization side of it, because I’m always a fan of customization. It’s just in my opinion, and I’m obviously speaking only about my own preference here… anything more than the aforementioned in a browser, is too much.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By MScrip on 6/4/2009 6:56:52 PM , Rating: 2
None of the addons I use have toolbars cluttering the screen. They work their magic behind the scenes... doing things that I want them to do.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Oregonian2 on 6/6/2009 3:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, one can pick and choose only the ones one likes (out of a huge selection).


RE: I always liked Opera...
By poundsmack on 6/3/2009 4:39:52 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. I have always liked Opera to the likes of FireFox. I think XKCD sums up FireFox perfectly, http://xkcd.com/198/


RE: I always liked Opera...
By sprockkets on 6/4/2009 12:00:34 AM , Rating: 2
Just remember that when FF was gaining traction, stealing all of Opera's features like pop up blocking and tabs, Opera costed money or was ad supported. They made it free to as not to fade into obscurity.

I like Opera, but being able to use FF in Windows and Linux and perhaps elsewhere is why I stick with it. Oh, wait, I can do that with Opera too. I use Opera on Linux for speed or when I'm sick of how FF misbehaves.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By icanhascpu on 6/4/2009 6:42:43 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I like not having to install addons, the looks, the low memory footprint, and of course the speed.


Choice isnt a burden.

Who says you HAVE to install addons? Opera is great for an all-in-one package, but all in one means you have to reply on the single way Opera does things instead of getting to choose from several ways and deciding on what way is best for you.

Ive used Opera for years, and it seems to like to do strange things with some websites, just refusing to render them correctly and all I can do is either reinstall Opera or use another browser. I hope 10 changes alot.


By William Gaatjes on 6/5/2009 12:06:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't want to support the EU vs. MS garbage at all, nor do I support companies that whine and try to win via legal action.


quote:
Got IE8 on my Win PC's...


You do realise that microsoft has used in the past uses far worse court tactics don't you ?


RE: I always liked Opera...
By cyriene on 6/3/2009 4:02:48 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know that Opera could ever overcome IE/FF but that won't keep me from using it. IE8 is ok but could never be my full time browser. And I still don't like FF much. I have Opera customized just the way I like it and it performs very well and quickly. Plus it is very stable. I usually have over 60 tabs open and it doesn't crash! The tab management is supperior to IE/FF hands down.

I don't have much experience with Chrome, but I use too much Google stuff as it is. I don't feel like I need to use anymore.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Smilin on 6/3/2009 4:45:05 PM , Rating: 2
Can you crash a tab without taking down the whole browser like in IE8? (I'm told this is a feature of IE8 but I've never had it crash yet so I don't know).


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Belard on 6/4/2009 12:02:55 AM , Rating: 2
When FF 2.x came out and I wanted to stop using IE... I couldn't. I found myself using IE. I simply do not like FF... but It is a very good Browser, but I don't like its personality.

I then re-tried Opera at that time and I was able to drop IE - 2 years ago.

For those with Windows OS (including Vista) - Try the LIX 1.5 skin... very nice. Opera 10 has improved the looks as well.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Griswold on 6/3/2009 4:39:38 PM , Rating: 5
Chrome? Holy cow, chrome blows donkey nuts! Dont get me wrong, chromium is good, thats why I sometimes use Iron - its like chrome without all the google spyware plus the ability to block ads.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Bender 123 on 6/3/2009 4:59:36 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, but its stable, fast and clean. You could debate browsers all day and never come to a consensus...Coke vs Pepsi.

Non techies like IE because its "there"
Techies will debate the others, depending on their preferences...


RE: I always liked Opera...
By inighthawki on 6/3/2009 6:46:38 PM , Rating: 2
It really all boils down to what the person has been using, and like you said, their preferences. I've used firefox for years and don't plan on switching simply because the transition would require dealing with some new stuff. Why switch if you're perfectly satisfied with what you have? I have nothing against opera chrome or even IE, but I won't use them simply because i use firefox and all of my plugins are here.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By thartist on 6/3/2009 8:59:37 PM , Rating: 2
me too, but Opera has fallen especially out of users' world. IT IS NO LONGER DEVELOPING TOWARDS USERS, BUT AGAIN OTHER BROWSERS.

Non-Opera users are asking for some features that would make them switch -or come BACK- but developers don't care at the slightest.

They are blindly adding new features and 'innovation' that are taking them very high into the point of "i'm a genius but nobody likes me". And then they get jumpy about their user share and bark at everything. Not my fault.

Ok, flame.
or enlighten me.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Belard on 6/3/2009 11:57:32 PM , Rating: 2
I love Opera. I've used it on and on since before 2000. But when they drop the ads and decided to compete against Firefox, I've been using Opera for almost 2 years. There is only 1 or 2 sites I Must use IE (6), not including MS updates.

I recommend Opera to everyone. Its easy, fast, full featured (many for years) like zoom and its text find functions are unmatched. The spellchecker is a good and important addition.

As I type this, I have just downloaded Opera10b... The new feature set looks great. I don't usually run beta software but I have to try this out!


RE: I always liked Opera...
By bupkus on 6/4/2009 12:42:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Chrome can overcome because of Google, but what/who will push Opera?

Don't know, let's ask Wolfram Alpha.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By Bender 123 on 6/5/2009 9:28:53 AM , Rating: 2
For a laugh ask it if its Skynet...Or if its better than Google.


RE: I always liked Opera...
By captchaos2 on 6/5/2009 5:12:26 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't Nintendo helping to push Opera on all of their Wii consoles?


How about comparing beta to beta?
By Zurtex on 6/3/2009 2:43:59 PM , Rating: 5
Firefox 3.5 beta 4 is out and even soon to be replaced with RC1. Just wondering why you decided to compare Firefox 3.0.10 to Opera 10 Beta?




RE: How about comparing beta to beta?
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/3/2009 2:53:58 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the point. I hope to do this sometime in the near future. Preferably, I'm going to do it on a Windows machine with a slower connection. To be totally fair I'll have to include Firefox 3.5 (latest beta), Opera 10, Safari (lastest build, windows), and IE 8.

Take the current comparison with a grain of salt -- Opera 10 is definitely fast, but its uncertain where it lands versus FF 3.5. Hope to have a more definitive answer soon.


RE: How about comparing beta to beta?
By MozeeToby on 6/3/2009 3:16:05 PM , Rating: 2
It might be worth testing on a low and and high bandwidth situation, with Opera's speed booster compression turned on/off for both. I might be in the minority, but I'd rather not send information about everywhere I go online off to my web-browser's server; which is exactly how the compression technology works.


By GaryJohnson on 6/4/2009 9:26:25 AM , Rating: 3
You already send information about everwhere you go to your ISP, however if you're using the turbo mode then they only see you going to opera's servers. So if your using turbo mode your only really trading one privacy hole for another.


RE: How about comparing beta to beta?
By KingstonU on 6/3/09, Rating: 0
By mezman on 6/3/2009 3:57:04 PM , Rating: 3
And once Chrome offers something akin to Ad-Block Plus, I'll be all over it. I've become so accustomed to blocked banner ads that it's appalling to me when I do see them in IE or Chrome. Privoxy is simply not the same.


By cyriene on 6/3/2009 4:13:45 PM , Rating: 2
I feel that this speed race isn't always indicative of how a browser's experience will be for a consumer. For instance, Opera as the quick search shortcuts which makes searching any site quciker than the other borowsers I have used.

While page rendering speed is important, we have gotten to the point where all the browsers render pretty quickly. Now, it is the other features of the browser that allow you to do what you want quicker which are becoming more important for me. Sadly, these other feauters are often left out of browser reviews though.


RE: How about comparing beta to beta?
By sld on 6/5/2009 5:31:13 AM , Rating: 2
Do test the latest Chrome build too, when you begin the comprehensive test. As of today, the version number is 3.0.183.1 .


Ad blocking
By rpsgc on 6/3/2009 3:34:45 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The browser's only glaring weakness is its handling of Javascript/Flash blocking. Unlike Firefox's NoScript, blocking Javascript in Opera 10 remains an all or nothing affair. If you block Javascript, you block ads often, but you'll also block content, as seen here on SportsIllustrated.com.


What do you mean? Are you talking about disabling JS? To block ads? That's what "Block Content" is for.
http://operawiki.info/OperaAdblock




RE: Ad blocking
By rpsgc on 6/3/2009 3:37:34 PM , Rating: 3
I forgot to add...

Or, you could just download an ad filter list (urlfilter.ini) like this two:

http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/
http://pgl.yoyo.org/as/serverlist.php?hostformat=o...


RE: Ad blocking
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/3/2009 4:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
Great comment, plan to update the piece with this.

A couple of questions, though:

Does the ad filter list get rid of intellitext? Also is a browser reset needed to load the .ini list, or will new tabs be initialized with it?

The click/block works pretty good, but leaves ugly white spaces, unlike FF's NoScript.


RE: Ad blocking
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/3/2009 4:03:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The click/block works pretty good, but leaves ugly white spaces, unlike FF's NoScript.


... Actually they appear to go away after a few reloads... nevermind..


RE: Ad blocking
By cyriene on 6/3/2009 4:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
I believe a browser reload is necessary after adding the urlfilter.ini file.


RE: Ad blocking
By icrf on 6/3/2009 6:57:45 PM , Rating: 3
Preferences > Advanced > Content > Blocked Content > http://*intellitxt*

Those are the only ads I block, as I find them exceedingly distracting. I really don't care about the rest of them, and if it helps pay the bills of the sites I visit for free, all the better.


Settle down, Beavis
By fishbits on 6/3/2009 2:52:41 PM , Rating: 5
"Heats Up Next-Gen Browser War"
"is shaping up to be a potentially must-have release for Windows, OS X, and Linux users alike"
"Another highlight-reel addition is"
Hyperbole much? I mean, this is Opera. It may be a great browser. It may be the best browser when this is released, I don't know. But can you not simply report on the improvements instead of coming across like Billie Mays hawking Oxy-clean?

"One improved feature of the release is Speed Dial, an exclusive Opera feature which allows you to see and pick from your favorite sites when opening a new tab."
As described, I've been using this "exlusive Opera feature" in another browser for quite some time now.

Good luck to Opera, congrats on its advances... but some perspective, please?




RE: Settle down, Beavis
By therealnickdanger on 6/3/2009 3:12:24 PM , Rating: 2
It should be in the Blog area...


RE: Settle down, Beavis
By omnicronx on 6/3/2009 3:25:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"One improved feature of the release is Speed Dial, an exclusive Opera feature which allows you to see and pick from your favorite sites when opening a new tab." As described, I've been using this "exlusive Opera feature" in another browser for quite some time now.
Opera was the first to implement the speed dial, it is not a new feature of Opera 10. It has been part of Opera since the release of 9.2 almost two years ago, long before Chrome was even released.
quote:
Good luck to Opera, congrats on its advances... but some perspective, please?
You do realize he has made an article for every major browser release in the last little while, including IE, Firefox and Chrome.(even Safari)


RE: Settle down, Beavis
By therealnickdanger on 6/3/2009 5:23:30 PM , Rating: 3
That still doesn't mean that it's objective reporting.


RE: Settle down, Beavis
By excelsium on 6/6/2009 11:00:02 AM , Rating: 2
Hyperbole is Jason Mick's middle name.


One small complaint...
By Luticus on 6/3/2009 8:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
Downloaded and installed it on my virtual PC when I got home, I have one suggestion for the Opera team:
Give me a way to hide the Menu bar (File, Edit, View) bar.
I took one look at it and said, my god this looks good... I really wish I could get rid of that bar so it'd look even better. It's Just a suggestion, but I think its a good one. If they have a suggestion box somewhere on the net that the dev team actually checks, I think I'll give them my advice. :)

Other wise the browser is really nice, good job Opera.




RE: One small complaint...
By Roffles on 6/4/2009 2:31:33 AM , Rating: 3
Grab some buttons to customize full screen mode here, "http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/full-screen-mode-wi...". You can get exactply what you want on your screen and nothing else with your own custom buttons.


RE: One small complaint...
By Luticus on 6/4/2009 9:17:19 AM , Rating: 2
Good suggestion and I’ll look into that; however, it doesn't really solve the problem (granted it's not a real problem... not even a minor issue really).

Your suggestion works in full screen mode, but that leaves you without the ability to have it not take up your entire screen. One of the things I really like about IE7 & 8 is the ability to hide that particular bar. Not the reason I use IE but it is nice icing. :)

Thanks for the suggestion though, I will look into that.


RE: One small complaint...
By Roffles on 6/5/2009 12:54:17 AM , Rating: 2
My advice to you is to take one of those buttons that I linked to (the one that gives you what you want) and create a mouse gesture that turns it on and off....then getting in and out to do other things in explorer is quick and simple.


RE: One small complaint...
By Sazar on 6/10/2009 6:40:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's very simple. Use the instructions for the Alt + F11 option, delete the first portion of the existing command in Opera and voila. I have a non-menu bar version :) and it looks great. Opera is a speed demon.


Hmm..
By Chocobollz on 6/3/2009 3:03:01 PM , Rating: 2
This is actually an old news:

quote:
The browser is also much faster, easily beating Firefox 3.0.10 in speed, and giving Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 a run for its money.


Opera has always faster than any other web-browsers, even FF3 isn't a match for it. Its speed advantage is even more pronounced when you're doing back & forth between pages. I haven't tried Chrome yet but with Opera's doing a very good job like this, I don't think I would ever need to try another web-browser.

Well done Opera!




RE: Hmm..
By DigitalFreak on 6/3/2009 4:09:36 PM , Rating: 3
You were touching yourself when you wrote that, weren't you?


RE: Hmm..
By Chocobollz on 6/4/2009 11:45:45 AM , Rating: 2
LOL no! But my girl does :p

Well.. What I'm trying to say is that I've done tests on my crappy connection and I even have no idea why Opera could open a webpage full of pictures (about 1.5 MB in size) in about 1 minute while FF2 could only open it in 2-3 minutes and IE in like.. 10 minutes????!!! But that was FF2 and IE6 I don't know about their current version, I suppose they're still lagged behind Opera, albeit only a little. From my experience, Opera is still the best when you're doing back and forth between pages in your browser's history. I've tried it on FF3 and I can tell it's not as fast as Opera.


Personalization and add-ons
By Hare on 6/3/2009 3:04:06 PM , Rating: 2
I don't have any doubts that Opera is an awesome browser just like Chrome but I just keep coming back to Firefox for the add-ons... I don't think I'm the only one.

Ps. Please don't use the lame "Opera does everything out of the box no add-ons needed" excuse.




RE: Personalization and add-ons
By theslug on 6/3/2009 3:12:18 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, there are just too many useful addons that Firefox has that would prevent me from switching to another browser at this time.


By icanhascpu on 6/4/2009 9:11:39 AM , Rating: 2
Couldn't have said it better myself. I like Opera, but if they really want to contend with FF and IE they need to start their own addon system regardless of the browser being able to do most things out of the box. Just because it can do something without an addon is not a feature to me if there is no real support for them in the first place.

There is a huge community for Opera and I have little doubt that if they started supporting an addon system 100s of addons, many of witch copies of FF addons would pop up within the first week.

PS Operas ad-block pales in comparison to FF addon implementation. Just becuse its present and you can -say- it has the capability doesnt make it good!


Opera 10 looks Great
By Belard on 6/4/2009 12:20:44 AM , Rating: 3
Looks and features...

I've been using Opera as my main browser for almost 2 years now, as I had tried to rid myself of IE... IE7 sucked (IMHO), the missing menu bar what is placed in the WRONG place, non-customizable, etc.

I am glad that we have these many quality choices for a web-browser. The more market share that MS loses, the better the web standards will be (rather than MS/IE web standard). We have 5 mainstream browsers as of today. And while I will say I don't like IE 7~8 and that FF3.0 doesn't do what I want (It can't save webpages correctly), Oprea isn't perfect either (Has problems printing partial pages) - they all have their personality and it allows US - the users to choose WHAT we like.

I do recommend everyone to give Opera a try. It doesn't auto-update like Apple/Chrome/itunes. It has no ads and its almost comepletely customizable. They have been doing the skin-jobs for years. It can look lik IE, MAC (classic and X), Linux as well as off wall Anime, sports or strange.

Features I love about Opera 9.6x:
- Easy to use tab browsing with Thumbnail views.
- Awsome text Find function (highights ALL text youre looking for as you type).
- Its view Zoom function (IE didn't have anything like it until IE7) what can zoome up to 1000%, including graphics! Handy for some video sights that only have tiny or full screen and I only want it x2~x3 bigger.
- Speed Dial. 9 of your favorites sites with thumbnails as your "home page" to start your browsing.

But Opera 9.5+ has some minor issues... They changed to a moder modern look for its tool bars, but the TINY little "X" to close the tabs sucked the big one. They also moved the + Tab button (add a tab) to the right (ala IE7+) - but luckly it can be copied back to the left. Why does it suck? Because it becomes a moving target. (Yes I know the whole bare bar is a button - its a matter of habit and function).

Also, lucky is the ability to replace the default 9.5+ skin to something better like Lix 1.5 which looks great on XP-MCE and Vista computers.

Now, about the FIND function, Opera 9.5 created a new bottom bar that has Zoom. So I copied the FIND text button from the original View bar and pasted down there. I like the new bar becauses its thinner than the original view bar.

Reading this, what makes Opera 10 sound so much better.
- speed,
- User controlled selection of Speed dial (9 wasn't enough for my 24" screen)
- Resizable tabs
- inline spellchecker
- Vastly improved looked with fixed Closed tab buttons on default skin.

Features that Opera has needed for quite a while.

Now to try out the beta and see if I'm impressed or hate it :)




RE: Opera 10 looks Great
By Belard on 6/8/2009 1:24:20 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, I've been using Opera 10 Beta since June 4th (4 days ago)... Cool thing about Opera, you can install more than one version :)

I'll go over the "bad" first. The Turbo mode isn't worth it to me since it degrades graphics.

I'd like to see the NAV buttons made a bit bigger, but otherwise look very nice. Its the first Opera I've used with its original skin, I usually swap out with the LIX 1.5 skin ASAP.

Thats about it...

I think Team Opera needs to put the TEXT search back on the default bottom bar as it is on the "VIEW BAR". The bottom bar is actually nothing more than a smaller View Bar, so I use it to get more web-area. Luckily its easy to ADD the TEXT Search function... but it should be there by DEFAULT since its one of the best features Opera. I personally shoved the Turbo Button to the right side close to the View controls.

Opera 10 is just plain great to work with. I've not had a single crash or issue with the program (so far) and so its currently my default browser.... since I installed Opera10, I've not used Opera 9 (other than to compare some operations).

I have no reason to ever use Opera 9 again.

Way to go Opera...!

I've tried Chrome. Its very good as a minimalist browser... but I like Operas customization. IE 7~8, never liked its idiotic layout and loss of the menu bar and then stupid placement of the menu bar.

I've also tied out Apple Safari... ugh. Chrome is much nicer.

IE 7~8 wastes so much space. Theres 8 buttons on the TAB bar... (On my Opera currently, I have 10 tabs going all the way across!) And then theres this HUGE URL window and its at the top of the screen!

There could be 2~5 bars between the web page area and the URL!! Its plain stupid! With Opera, the URL is below the TABS, making it "attached" to the tab. Even Firefox3, there are tool bar(s) between its URL and tabs. I'd choose firefox3 over IE 7~8.

The other cool feature of Opera (even in 9) is that I click on the URL bar and I can type a letter shortcut to a search function (I use defaults - but you can program these)

G <text of what you are looking for> = Google
W <text of what you are looking for> = Wikipedia

And it goes to that page. There are others for A sk, Y ahoo, E bay, B it Torrent.

I'm using the 16 block Speed dial. Much nicer on my wide screen than 9 (3x3) it feels to me that anymore becomes too small and crowded. Thanks for this flexibility, Team Opera!

Hands down, this is the best Opera ever. They fixed some stupid ideas that were added to Opera 9.5 and really polished this baby up. The spell-checker works great and has been sorely missed.

Everyone should give Opera 10 a try... what is it going to hurt?


Already better
By Morphine06 on 6/3/2009 2:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's already better than IE just by having a home button in a normal location. >:|




RE: Already better
By Smilin on 6/3/2009 4:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
It can be moved in IE8 you know. You don't have to leave it at the default if you don't like it.


Opera is great!
By OblivionMage on 6/3/2009 11:14:07 PM , Rating: 3
I've used Opera for a while now, especially for IM and writing. FireFox is my specialty browser (multiple profiles, so you have your Proxy-optimized JonDo one, then your coding / debugging one). Chrome is then my third browser that I fire up when I'm bored.

Internet Explorer is, well...




i care more about
By omnicronx on 6/3/2009 2:34:29 PM , Rating: 2
Opera mobile 9.7!!!!

This is going to be the first mobile version of opera based on presto found in Opera 10.




Uh
By RandomFool on 6/3/2009 4:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
If by heats up the browser market you mean: makes the small number of people that actually use Opera a little excited then yes. Otherwise, I doubt this is going to be much of a game changer.




I think it's fair to say...
By Tegeril on 6/3/09, Rating: 0
RE: I think it's fair to say...
By Belard on 6/4/2009 12:05:46 AM , Rating: 2
For for some reason, you think YOU matter?!

Its because of Opera that many of the features on IE7/8 are even there.


Suprised at how fast it is.
By Roffles on 6/4/2009 2:37:49 AM , Rating: 2
i just installed this and ran thru some of my favorite sites and it loads pages considerably faster than opera 9. hello new browser!




Centrally manageable yet?
By mechBgon on 6/4/2009 10:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
Can it be deployed, updated, configured, tamper-proofed and audited fleet-wide by I.T. without a bunch of manual legwork?

Oh, ok then. I was just checking. ;)




I have to say:
By Ozziedogg on 6/7/2009 1:19:32 AM , Rating: 2
Here we have a thread about a non Microsoft product, and the accompanying thread has remained relevant and debates its merits in a relatively objective fashion. Did everyone leave this site when I wasn't looking? where are the Global warming/"Obama is evil" thread hijacks? the snide comments from the Microsoft employees/fanbois? Pirks coming in and annoying everybody?

Im sorry, finding reason and logic in a Dailytech thread terrified me.




Shows alot of promise
By Kevinmbaron on 6/7/2009 2:09:54 AM , Rating: 2
I've been a diehard fan of IE for years. I just love the layout. I've tried all the rest. And Chrome for me just doesnt cut it. There is no bookmarks sidebar which is a dealbreaker for me. Plus the security is horrible. Firefox i like alot, and same with the new opera. The new Opera might be the one that steals me away from IE. It may not have been doing much in recent years but it sure hit the ball out of the park with this one. Bottom line is, if it is a good product i will use it. I uninstalled Chrome the other day cause it's just not worth my time. I IE, Firefox and Opera installed and i play with them all. So far IE is still my favorite. For now




No adblock, I'll keep using FF
By blowfish on 6/29/2009 4:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
I really like Opera, and appreciate its speed of loading. I use it to get downloads, but the one thing that stops me using it as my primary browser is the lack of a feature similar to Adblock Plus, available for FF.

Maybe I'm just a freak - I don't watch US TV with its 30% + commercials, I only watch timeshifted video, skipping thru the offending super-loud obnoxious "ask your doctor about...." crap, or watch movies released on DVD.

Many of the sites I visit are unusable with anything but FF with Adblock Plus - TBP is infested with Flash porn, and SpeedTV is equally unwatchable.

If Opera had something like Adblock Plus, it would be unbeatable.

For anyone who thnks IE8 or Opera are great, just do a trial install of FF and add Adblock Plus, with the default list of exclusions. You might be surprised. There's no fundamental structural reason why other browsers can't have Ad blocking extensions - but only Mozilla is brave enough to allow them.





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