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Firefox gets an interim update

Mozilla's much loved Firefox 3.5 browser is set to make an appearance in its final form on June 30. Firefox 3.5 has been in development for quite some time with numerous beta and release candidate variants littering the internet over the past six months.

Mozilla is touting this interim release in the face of increased competition from the likes of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 and Opera 10. According to Mozilla, some of the new features included in Firefox 3.5 are:

  • A high-performance TraceMonkey JavaScript engine
  • An improved Gecko layout engine
  • Support fr Location Aware Browsing
  • Support for HTML5 (including HTML5 offline resources)
  • Various other stability and performance tweaks

According to Webmonkey, Firefox currently commands 20% to 25% of the browser market while Microsoft still leads the way with 65% to 75% market share. Mozilla is hoping that Firefox 3.5 will help to boost its browser share even further.

For those that simply can't wait until tomorrow to download the final version of Firefox 3.5, Release Candidate 3 can be downloaded directly from Mozilla's website.

Updated 6/30/2009
Mozilla just launched Firefox 3.5. You can download it here.



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Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By Zingam on 6/29/2009 2:04:39 PM , Rating: 3
Well, it must be already tomorrow because I've just upgraded my RC to Final, although my Windows calendar shows 29 still.




RE: Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By Zingam on 6/29/2009 2:07:14 PM , Rating: 1
BTW! I just wonder why after they've fixed and improved so many things they had to brake many others. Why I can't close the current tab now? That's annoying. I have to open a new one to be able to close the current!


RE: Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By blowfish on 6/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By Yojimbo on 6/29/2009 5:13:14 PM , Rating: 1
you can type 'brake' when you mean 'break' and know the difference. just the other day i typed 'hear' when i meant 'here'. it's a common language error. if you pay attention, people do it in speech all the time without noticing. you're being absurdly harsh, so much so it's your opinion i'm more likely to shy away from.


By gorbush on 6/30/2009 11:17:17 AM , Rating: 3
You are 100% (w)right ;). I've seen many similar errors and almost always they came from foreigner like myself.
But for proficient reader general meaning is easy to find.

quote:
Remember. Two wrongs don't make a right. But two Wrights did make an airplan
. Thx borismkv for understanding ;).

And sorry for accidentally down rating your post but now I will do what is right :).


By Zingam on 6/30/2009 2:51:35 AM , Rating: 4
I am not an native speaker of English, man. And I don't speak and type English every single day. :)

Yes it was a typo! My mistake, sorry!


By gvaley on 6/30/2009 3:49:12 AM , Rating: 3
You are probably confused by the "Always show the tab bar" option now being enabled by default. Try disabling it. It's a matter of changing defaults.


By bodar on 6/30/2009 5:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
That's only when you only have 1 tab open though. I'm just confused as to why you'd want to close the only open tab but leave open the browser.


By mvpx02 on 7/1/2009 7:45:52 AM , Rating: 2
I wondered that as well, but I figured they probably wouldn't remove it completely

about:config

then change

"browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab" to "false"


RE: Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By phatboye on 6/29/2009 4:14:19 PM , Rating: 3
Chances are that you are not technically running the final version if you got that version from the Firefox update feature. Chances are that you are running RC3. The reason why you think it is the final version is because in the about Firefox page, Firefox is listed as version 3.5. The Mozilla devs did this because they felt that if there were no bugs found in RC3 that they would just release that as is. So while there really won't be a difference in what you are using and what will be released tomorrow you are really running RC3.


RE: Is it yesterday or tomorrow right now?
By lotharamious on 6/30/2009 1:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
RC3 became the final version. The build date and md5 checksum are the exact same. That's how Mozilla works. Release candidates are actually release "candidates". They go through rigorous testing, and if it works well enough they call it final.

It's a good strategy... if it works, don't fix it.


By phatboye on 6/30/2009 4:38:51 PM , Rating: 1
that is what I just said =)


Interim?
By Oregonian2 on 6/29/2009 3:24:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Firefox gets an interim update tomorrow


What makes the 3.5 release an "interim" one? Just because it's not a dot-zero release, or because it's not the final, last version of the software and is only between the last version and the next (which 99.9% of software is)?

Literally the statement that this is an interim 3.5 release would mean that there will be a later (different) "official" 3.5 release. Is this the case? Just being a little confused here.




RE: Interim?
By stubeck on 6/30/09, Rating: 0
RE: Interim?
By Oregonian2 on 6/30/2009 2:48:07 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't that the normal state of ALL products that have competition, every release of product (including hardware) being a "response" to what the competitors are doing to try and head them off?


RE: Interim?
By stubeck on 6/30/2009 11:32:36 PM , Rating: 1
What I meant is that rather then wait till they had good features, they saw that the competition did a release, and then immediately respond with their own, regardless whether it was ready or needed. FF 2.0 did not require a new release number, and they've seemed to learn that with 3.5.

I'd much rather a company make a product that is good and worthwhile then go "OMG, our competition has released product version 9, lets release our own new version right now too!"


RE: Interim?
By Oregonian2 on 7/1/2009 10:34:35 AM , Rating: 2
You don't think the list of features added in FF version 3.5 is sufficient for a new release?


RE: Interim?
By MrPoletski on 7/1/2009 12:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
It is a new release.

It's only a number, would it cause a error 505 in your brain if they called it 'Firefox Version C'?


RE: Interim?
By Oregonian2 on 7/1/2009 4:07:55 PM , Rating: 2
Haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Stubeck said companies shouldn't release software unless there's sufficient new features to meet his expectations.

Company I used to work for released new versions periodically. Some had new features, some had just bug fixes with no new features at all.

If FF wanted to come out with version 3.505 in two months with no new features (just bug fixes) it'd be fine with me.


RE: Interim?
By Zurtex on 7/1/2009 2:31:10 AM , Rating: 2
Well it's gone Fx 1.0 -> Fx 1.5 -> Fx 2.0 -> Fx 3.0 -> Fx 3.5. And all of those have included pretty big changes, especially Fx 2.0 -> Fx 3.0.


RE: Interim?
By matt0401 on 7/2/2009 10:45:09 AM , Rating: 2
I think 1.5 to 2.0 was actually the biggest step. Radically-different GUI, much faster performance, many bug fixes, etc.


Slower loading?
By nowayout99 on 6/29/2009 4:19:58 PM , Rating: 2
Does 3.5 load up slower than 3.0 for anybody else? I'm on a speedy system but it seems like the first time in a Windows session that I load up FF 3.5, it can take up to 10 seconds.

3.0 took a few seconds, but not this long.




RE: Slower loading?
By webdawg77 on 6/30/2009 9:37:04 AM , Rating: 2
Nope, it seems to load faster ... just under 2 seconds (counting in my head).


RE: Slower loading?
By Sazar on 6/30/2009 3:48:56 PM , Rating: 2
Ditto, it loads up faster than FF 3.x (pre 3.5). Overall feel is definitely faster and I haven't had a single flash-related crash thus far so kudos :D

Performance is pretty snappy though after a day of usage, it definitely seems to be a little slower than Opera, Chrome and IE8.

However, for those who don't use any other browsers and were using FF 3.x before, this will be a faster revision and they will only see a speed bump :)

Also, the default tabbed browsing for the first time does not suck. No need to implement extensions to get a GOOD tabbed experience :D

Well done FireFox.


RE: Slower loading?
By Sazar on 6/30/2009 4:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
Spoke too soon.

First crash using FF 3.5 :(

Someone at Mozilla PLEASE fix the crash bug. Only site I had loaded up was Dailytech at the time of the crash :(


RE: Slower loading?
By matt0401 on 7/2/2009 10:47:38 AM , Rating: 2
I love the new tab changes. I used to have to middle click the home button or one of my bookmarks on the bookmark toolbar to open x in a new tab and THEN go where I want to. I like the new button on the far right of the tab bar that lets you simply open a new tab.


RE: Slower loading?
By chagrinnin on 6/30/2009 4:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
Is that in webdawg seconds?


I've been using 3.5 for a while, it's nice...
By Fox5 on 6/29/2009 1:12:08 PM , Rating: 1
Tracemonkey is a huge improvement in speed, but Chrome is still faster/better behaved with flash video.




By Sazar on 6/29/2009 1:28:12 PM , Rating: 2
Does FF still crash in 3.5 guise with Flash? Or is it stable but a little slower than Chrome?

I might give this a look when it debuts.


By EricMartello on 6/29/2009 11:34:28 PM , Rating: 4
I use FF exclusively and never have issues with Flash...


By MozeeToby on 6/30/2009 2:31:31 PM , Rating: 2
That is the story of all bugs in FF. Don't get me wrong, I love the browser and wouldn't use anything else if I had the choice (forced into IE7 at work), but FF seems, more than other software, to have transient bugs that are present for some people but not for others.

It has been getting better since the launch of version 2 but I still hear of a few people having issues with Flash, memory leaks, not releasing memory when tabs are closed, and (very rarely now) video. Personally, I haven't had any issues since I upgraded to version 3, so it may well be the internet amplifying the voices of the very few people who are having problems.

When you come down to it, choosing a browser is like choosing a car. Some are more powerful, some are more efficient, some are more reliable, and some just plain look pretty. If you aren't happy with your browser (maybe even if you are) try out some of the other ones.


What!
By TwistyKat on 6/30/2009 9:36:35 AM , Rating: 2
You mean there are people out there who still use IE?




RE: What!
By stubeck on 6/30/2009 10:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, most of the world. I think FF recently went above 20% usage for the first time.


RE: What!
By bodar on 6/30/2009 5:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's called corporate IT lockdown. IE is much easier to control with Group Policy and such, so other browsers are unsupported.


RE: What!
By Dark Legion on 7/1/2009 4:14:46 AM , Rating: 2
Plus the vast majority that is the uneducated public (computer-wise).


what to do?
By ashegam on 6/29/2009 12:07:01 PM , Rating: 2
I already have 3.5 release candidate, can I just use the update feature when they release it, or do I have to uninstall and install the actual one?




RE: what to do?
By FireSnake on 6/29/2009 12:14:01 PM , Rating: 5
I think things will go automatically ;)


Remove speed and bloat
By Azsen on 6/29/2009 7:11:02 PM , Rating: 3
If Firefox is going to completely win the browser wars, then they need to keep focusing on keeping the bloat down and optimizing the code as much as possible.

The Firefox load times get slower and slower each release in my experience. That's why Google Chrome is starting to be popular. The base install needs to be fast and light. Users can then add a collection of applications and search engines via Add-ons if they need them.




RE: Remove speed and bloat
By icanhascpu on 6/30/2009 3:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
If you're the type of person so concerned about load times, invest in SSD.

On my WD Black 1TB, it takes like 5 seconds tops. Whoppdeedooooo....


RE: Remove speed and bloat
By Zurtex on 7/1/2009 2:33:48 AM , Rating: 2
The slower load times are more likely related to larger history. Reducing your history log to a much lower amount of days usually helps.

But the only outlined major goal for the next release so far is to speed up start times. Also they're working on a project that will use a multi-process architecture, hopefully that'll make the next release.


It has a new logo too
By Zurtex on 6/29/2009 3:23:00 PM , Rating: 4
You seem to have missed/not used the new logo it has:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3.5/Logos




RE: It has a new logo too
By Hoser McMoose on 7/1/2009 4:41:47 AM , Rating: 2
What, you mean the Firefox girl is not the official logo?!?!


Download it before the rush
By xstylus on 6/30/2009 3:06:54 AM , Rating: 3
It's already available, if you're clever. Just go to the links for the RC and remove "rc3" from the URL.

But to make things easy...:

MAC:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.htm...

WIN:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.htm...




By lotharamious on 6/30/2009 1:59:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yep... RC3 and final are the same. If you don't believe me, just run the two through a checksummer like MD5 or CRC.


Memory leaks
By gevorg on 6/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: Memory leaks
By Screwballl on 6/30/2009 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
What memory leaks? Must be your setup (like add-on, 3rd party-unofficial addons) because I have never seen any memory leaks with any build of Firefox since beta 1.5.


RE: Memory leaks
By Chocobollz on 7/4/2009 9:40:28 AM , Rating: 2
LOL then you must be living in a cave without a box of scraps!


kde browser/webkit market share?
By jconan on 6/29/2009 12:01:09 PM , Rating: 3
in addition to ie8, opera 10 how much of a market share does webkit has (browsers based on webkit - safari, kde, chrome, and etc...)?




No FF for me..
By voodooboy on 6/29/09, Rating: 0
RE: No FF for me..
By Belard on 6/29/2009 10:46:08 PM , Rating: 1
Opera 10 simply rocks. I've been using 9 since its release... but Opera 10 is easily a far better browser. I'm using the beta version of course which has a few minor issues, but still worth ditching Opera9, which is still better IMHO than IE8.


RE: No FF for me..
By Chocobollz on 7/4/2009 9:37:17 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you guys. Don't worry about anyone else, let them use FF, while we can do so much more and (finish) faster than what they can do with FF. Let them lag behind.

On topic, I've tried FF 3.5 and for me, there's nothing useful in it. I can do most of the things faster in Opera than in FF, so I've just uninstalled it. Oh and I agree with you about Opera 10 Beta 1, I also use it as my primary browser now. So far, I got only 1 webpage which having a problem with it so it's quite stable.

After 4 years of using FF, I'm getting sick of it, it just don't make my browsing easier, and so I try Opera and so far I love it. Opera R.O.C.K.S!


Finally...
By jithvk on 6/30/2009 12:17:26 AM , Rating: 3
an article with out the Firefox girl :)




UI
By icanhascpu on 6/30/2009 3:48:57 PM , Rating: 2
They need to redo the UI. Dont get me wrong, keep the current UI for people that like it, but in Vista/7 I think its hideous. Light blue? Come on we can do better. The menus looks great though, with the icons at the right, the Bookmarks toolbar could use a little evolution in some way (i dont know? brainstorm something!).

Also I want my homepage to have SpeedDial abilities. I know what you're thinking - ADDON! But no. Tried them all. They are junk.

All in all i only have aesthetic complaints about the browser I always seem to come back to after trying Opera/Chrome/IE for months at a time.




No Win7 Taskbar Improvements
By foolsgambit11 on 6/30/2009 4:22:17 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, the new release doesn't incorporate jumplists or preview panes for all tabs - both great UI improvements for Windows 7. These features are great, and are the only reason I currently use IE8 at all. I know that Win7 isn't officially released yet, but I would like to see these features incorporated sooner rather than later. Definitely before Win7 is released.




Is that the final or not?
By nowayout99 on 6/30/2009 4:52:26 PM , Rating: 2
The installer still wants to install it into a "beta 4" directory, and after I installed it, ZoneAlarm didn't flag it as a new program to 'allow'. It seems to be the same version I've had for several days.




Alternate Browser
By Ammohunt on 6/29/2009 2:11:04 PM , Rating: 1
I have pretty much replaced Firefox with chrome as my alternate browser chrome does everything firefox does just faster.




Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By iFX on 6/29/09, Rating: -1
RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By lotharamious on 6/29/2009 12:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
... Because 3.0 was/is complete garage.
I was using 3.0 since its launch but started using 3.5 nightlies back in December and haven't gone back since. I don't remember exactly why though. I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Hotmail not working.


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By fic2 on 6/29/2009 1:41:14 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Hotmail not working.


I thought that was a feature...


By Alpha4 on 6/29/2009 6:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By MrDiSante on 6/29/2009 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, I know, it was so garage that I could park my car in there.


By lennylim on 6/29/2009 1:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
And here I was thinking it is complete kitchen. Because it has everything including the sink...


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By tayb on 6/29/2009 1:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
That makes at least one person.


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By invidious on 6/29/2009 2:16:39 PM , Rating: 1
Unpopular opinions are still valid and don't deserve to be modded down. Modding down should be done based on the manner of the response, IE is it trolling, unrelated to the article, rude, ignorant, offensive. Not just because you disagree.

I'm not saying your the one who modded him down, just saying.


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By Oregonian2 on 6/29/2009 3:28:56 PM , Rating: 1
But when one thinks one's favorite browse is a garage[sic]?

If you could seem my garage, you'd know how insulting that kind of language is! :-)


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By marvdmartian on 6/29/2009 4:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
SEEM your garage??? ;)


By Oregonian2 on 6/29/2009 9:45:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I did that on purpose, seem'd appropriate -- I was in a funny mood then. :-)


By Alpha4 on 6/29/2009 6:06:09 PM , Rating: 4
Every comment in this article has been a delight!

Thank you Dailytech!


By Veerappan on 6/30/2009 3:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'm guessing that (s)he was modded down not only because of the statement, but also because of a complete lack of supporting reasons for the statement.

I thought that firefox 3.0 was a huge improvement over the 2.0 series. This holds very true for my Solaris 10 box at work where FF 2.x hangs my window manager every week or so, but FF 3.x and Opera work great. The speed increases of the FF 3.x series are great, especially for the old G4 Macs that my fiance has at home.


RE: Maybe I can finally upgrade from FF 2.0...
By MrPoletski on 7/1/2009 9:41:06 AM , Rating: 1
yeah and I had your moter last night, was good.


By MrPoletski on 7/1/2009 12:13:19 PM , Rating: 2
I was JOKIN!


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