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The new Marine Corps Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle  (Source: Marine Corps Times)
Marines have high hopes for new EFVs, even if they've been met with criticism

The United States Marine Corps hopes to usher in a new era of multi-million dollar vehicles with its recent unveiling of the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV) earlier in the week.

Military officials expect the faster, more dynamic EFV will replace the USMC's older amphibious assault vehicles.  The EFV can travel more than 40 mph on land and 23 to 29 mph while in the water.  It also has a 30mm day/night weapons system and better design to pinpoint IEDs and RPGs, which is "vitally important," according to the 
Marine Corps Times.

Marines Corps Times site also has a video clip of the video in action. 

The new vehicles have more comfortable seats, air-conditioned cabin, and additional interior space for Marines. There are plans to test seven prototype EFVs at Camp Pendleton, with the USMC receiving all seven prototypes by October.  It's unknown how long testing will take, and when a final decision will be made.

The USMC has been anxious to receive the EFV for several years now, as the vehicle has undergone almost $1 billion in modifications to perfect its design.  Numerous errors and safety concerns forced the vehicle to be delayed from its original 2007 introduction date.

The USMC hopes to purchase as many as 573 vehicles, with scheduled tests beginning in the summer and finishing before the end of the year.  

It's interesting that the Pentagon continued its efforts to secure a new EFV, especially now that military spending is being closely monitored.  The Air Force, Navy, and Army are all re-evaluating programs that may not be necessary over the next 20 years -- and continued scrutiny is expected over the next few years.

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Super Useful!!
By theArchMichael on 5/7/2010 12:29:12 PM , Rating: 1
We need more vehicles like this like I need another ex-wife. I'm an American. I don't see why we have to maintain and even widen an abnormal gap in the balance of military might that already exists amongst us and other nations. We kick ass! They (foreign countries) get it.
Where we don't kick ass is math, sciences and engineering.

Many, I daresay most, of the researchers at the some of the most prestigious research instutions in the US are not Americans, naturalized or otherwise. I support global technological development but America as the most powerful nation on this planet is noticeably underrepresented in these fields.

And whats more disturbing than this fact is that... nobody cares. There is little support for addittional funding for more research. I feel like more could be done to encourage the youth to pursue careers in science and engineering. The governments common interest engineering feats we implement should be more geared to landing an expedition on another habitable planet and not landing a man with a gun on somebody's beach.

Maybe we spend all our money making Extreme Fighting Vehicles (EFV) and F--king Awesome 22(FA22) planes and Foot In Far up your ass Vehicles (FIFV), then what if we go to use them on another country, who in turn fries them with their subatomic blaster rays!

Thats my 2 cents. You guys can throw in to make up the other 1,099,999,999,998 .

RE: Super Useful!!
By Nightraptor on 5/7/2010 1:04:39 PM , Rating: 1
Actually in this case the program is necessary and quite useful. The ability to maneuver from the sea is considered a vital part of our military strategy by most analysts in the area and quite frankly is the whole reason for the Marines existence. Vital to being able to perform such a maneuver is the Amphibious Assault Vehicles. Current AAV's are nearly 40 years old, too lightly armed and too slow to perform the task. As such the choices really are build new ones (thus the EFV) or get rid of the Marines (probably the most effective fighting force in the military today). I'll go with option 1 thank you very much.

Of course if your argument is we should just make peace with everyone and forget about our military I'd humbly suggest that you're view of the world is not the way the world really is. I don't think everyone is going to be sitting around a campfire singing Koom Bah Ya anytime soon and until that happens I'm glad to have the Marines and their EFV's between me and everyone else.

RE: Super Useful!!
By theArchMichael on 5/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: Super Useful!!
By kyp275 on 5/8/10, Rating: 0
RE: Super Useful!!
By Chillin1248 on 5/8/2010 3:24:18 AM , Rating: 5
In this case he is right.

Just because the current Marine vehicle is 40 years old and ill-equipped for current warfare does not mean spending billions on another ill-equipped vehicle is the answer. There is a reason why Gates and other branches of the military are against this program.

You quoted IED's, well this vehicle has a flat belly and sides, a focused IED will tear right through this thing.

A program that has billions of dollars going for it with little to show should be canceled. I am all for the military being military myself, but I am against wasteful spending. When you are buying $3 to 6 billion destroyers, $7 billion submarines, and $11 billion carriers and aircraft for those carriers at $200+ million dollars each there is a problem.


RE: Super Useful!!
By MasterBlaster7 on 5/8/2010 4:28:56 PM , Rating: 2
The AFV isnt designed to deploy in Iraq or Afghanastan. They have MRAPs and JLTVs for that. They are building them, by the thousands, if you havent heard, and about time in my consideration.

The AFV WILL be useful WHEN China finally makes its move on Taiwan. Or North Korea does something supremely stupid. Which is entirely possible. It will probably be useful in initial operations against Iran.

Oh, and for all of you rocket scientists that think that any of these scenarios cant happen...raise your hand if you predicted 9/11.

RE: Super Useful!!
By Chillin1248 on 5/8/2010 6:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
With China having C-802 missiles that are easily deployed along a shoreline and concealed, the concerns I have raised in my other post still stand.


RE: Super Useful!!
By FaaR on 5/8/2010 10:45:14 PM , Rating: 3
3 words:
China has nukes.

The US has - to this day - never attacked another nuclear power, and surely that will never happen in the future either unless all sanity is lost in Washington DC.

Besides, what makes you think the chinese would just sit idly by and let these metal monstrosities swim in to shore at a whopping 30mph? And what exactly would they accomplish when they get there? China can field one of the largest armies in the world, any marines landing on the shores of Taiwan would be outmanned 10-100 to one.

And that's assuming China ever attacks, which wouldn't really be in their best interest anyway. Taiwan's a highly developed society, the best way to win them back would be through political and sociological subversion; MAKE the Taiwanese want to rejoin.

Bombing the snot out of the island would be extremely counter-productive. So to wrap things up all I can say is LULZ, you're friggin' deluded man.

By xler8r on 5/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: Heheh...
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 5/7/2010 9:38:07 AM , Rating: 4
hmmmm... You can get some heavy duty cardboard, a good knife and duct-tape and build a cardboard model. This will have the same effect for your paint ball and air-soft.. and imagine all the money you'd save verse buying a real unit.

Looks like a Sandcrawler
By InsaneGain on 5/7/2010 12:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
I think Jawas would approve.

Video Link
By ClownPuncher on 5/7/2010 2:18:38 PM , Rating: 2
Video clip of the video in action? I Am a Strange Loop, eh?

My thoughts
By Chillin1248 on 5/8/2010 12:34:53 AM , Rating: 2
At $16 million a pop, this thing is a over-priced cold war relic.

I have seen most of the arguments for and against this vehicle, and in the end I have to side with those against. The Marines have really landed themselves in a pickle with this vehicle.

The EFV is designed to withstand small arms fire up to 14.5 mm and shrapnel from 155mm artillery, however against modern Anti-Tank missiles such as the Kornet and RPG-29 it would not fare well. Say nothing for modern IED's and mines that the EFV's flat bottom would not resist. It also has only 16 inches of ground clearance severely limiting it's rough terrain maneuverability.

Anti-Ship missiles are also pushing the deployment craft further away from shore, so this behemoth would have to launch further out than intended and quickly run out fuel. It is designed to be launched from about 25 nautical miles from shore with once landed having the capability of moving 120 miles inland; however push that launch point further out and it is out of fuel much sooner.

When a M-2 Bradley gets taken out, that's 9 soldiers who will not see home. However with this vehicle it is 20 soldiers along with a $16 million dollar vehicle, making it a high value target.

One argument to the EFV is instead to make specialized landing craft to unload heavier IFV's and Tanks to take the fight from the beach. However the problem is the limited space on the deployment ship and having both landing craft and fighting vehicles will quickly whittle away the space available.

While the AARV-7 is desperately in need of replacement, this overpriced behemoth is not the answer in my opinion and Gates would be right to cancel this program.


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