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Anonymous launched a global online protest to mark the 100th day of the hunger strike by Guantanamo Bay prisoners

The Guantanamo Bay detention camp is losing all access to wireless internet and social networks due to hacking threats

U.S. military officials have blocked access to wireless internet and social networks like Facebook and Twitter at Guantanamo Bay because it fears that international hacking group Anonymous will launch an attack to disrupt services at the naval base.

Anonymous launched a global online protest to mark the 100th day of the hunger strike by Guantanamo Bay prisoners. The detainees have been protesting their living conditions and indefinite detention at the base. 

About 103 of the 166 prisoners are on strike.


The U.S. military said it has been receiving online hacking threats amid the hunger strike, which were allegedly from Anonymous. 

The hunger strike has captured a lot of attention on networks like Twitter and Facebook. Many, including human rights activist groups, are calling for the closure of Guantanamo Bay.

The Guantanamo Bay detention camp is a prison and interrogation facility placed within the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. It is ran by the U.S. military, and was established in 2002 by the Bush Administration to hold those connected with the Global War on Terror including Afghanistan, Iraq, the Horn of Africa and Southeast Asia.

Sources: RT, Associated Press



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Don't get it
By Ammohunt on 5/21/2013 2:30:20 PM , Rating: 1
Hooray for Anarchy!
/sarcasm




RE: Don't get it
By Gondor on 5/21/2013 4:07:03 PM , Rating: 2
Me neither, who does this affect - the inmates or the employees/military personnel ?

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The Guantanamo Bay detention camp is losing all access to wireless internet and social networks due to hacking threats.


I take the latter have other (wired, secure) methods of Internet access available to them at all times and the former have other things on their mind than what is ultimately just a typical "first world problem".


RE: Don't get it
By kerpwnt on 5/21/13, Rating: -1
RE: Don't get it
By Ammohunt on 5/21/2013 8:22:27 PM , Rating: 5
You're right the prisoners in gitmo should have been tried via military tribunal and then executed once their intelligence value had lapsed long ago.


RE: Don't get it
By boeush on 5/22/2013 2:35:43 AM , Rating: 4
Stalin would be proud of you, Comrade.


RE: Don't get it
By DrApop on 5/22/2013 10:32:00 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with the Stalin comment. Wait until we get into a some war and US military get captured and they start executing after all information has been secured and the prisoners are no longer of value.

We seem to have forgotten that what goes around, comes around. It'll be hard to complain when we do the same thing....but I'm sure there will be plenty who try.


RE: Don't get it
By Captain Orgazmo on 5/23/2013 4:03:00 AM , Rating: 3
Remind me of the time that Jihadis respected any of the conventions governing war or treatment of prisoners.

Muslim treatment of prisoners, American or otherwise, usually involves shortening said prisoners by a head or so while shouting Allahu Akbar into a camera, then dragging the bodies through the street.

But you're right, a trial and execution just doesn't cut it. Gibetting may be more effective for sending the right message.


RE: Don't get it
By DT_Reader on 5/23/2013 1:24:26 PM , Rating: 2
I remember such a time. Back in the 1980s they were kidnapping people left and right and holding them for ransom. Some were executed, but most were eventually released. The practice stopped when state-sponsored terrorism rose to the level it "enjoys" today, so that the terrorists no longer need to kidnap foreigners for money.


RE: Don't get it
By Ammohunt on 5/24/2013 12:29:26 PM , Rating: 3
if you don't know the difference between a enemy combatant and a political prisoner then i can't help you. Quit with the moral equivalency game.


RE: Don't get it
By boeush on 5/24/2013 7:46:42 PM , Rating: 2
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if you don't know the difference between a enemy combatant and a political prisoner then i can't help you. Quit with the moral equivalency game.
Until an alleged "enemy combatant" is proven to be such , they are nothing less or more than a political prisoner.

Quit the ASSumption game.


RE: Don't get it
By Ammohunt on 5/24/2013 11:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
Know what a POW is? Ok good! Know what a POW is when their isn't a singular government entity behind a captured soldier? yeah that's right they are called enemy combatants. This is what Obama calls a teachable moment..you are welcome.


RE: Don't get it
By boeush on 5/28/2013 5:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
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Know what a POW is when their isn't a singular government entity behind a captured soldier ?
Yet another ASSumption.

Who says they are all soldiers, or were captured as such? For all you or I know, most if not all of them were yanked out of bed in the wee hours of the morning, and spirited away by armed thugs (oh sorry, CIA agents.)
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yeah that's right they are called enemy combatants
So if I kidnap you and lock you up for the rest of your natural life, without trial or any habeas corpus rights, all I have to do is call you an enemy combatant, and that makes everything a-OK?
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This is what Obama calls a teachable moment..you are welcome.
Oh yes indeed, you're 'teaching' me a lot about your sad state of mind... not to mention your pathetic lack of appreciation for the core principles upon which your nation is supposedly constructed.


Let's see here...
By inperfectdarkness on 5/22/2013 1:02:16 AM , Rating: 3
Oh wow. Protesting conditions at Gitmo. Yes, I suppose it's just atrocious the conditions detainees are put through, getting 3 hots and a cot, access to the Koran & a prayer rug, etc. Just completely inhumane.

I'm sure they would much rather prefer being kept in an unsanitary pit, daily beatings, being paraded before cameras at gunpoint for propaganda purposes, and then finally being beheaded slowly with a dull rusty knife.




RE: Let's see here...
By boeush on 5/22/13, Rating: 0
RE: Let's see here...
By inperfectdarkness on 5/22/2013 12:31:18 PM , Rating: 2
It has very little to do with the guilt or innocence of said parties. If innocence could be established beyond a reasonable doubt, those detainees would have been released; and many already have (including some of which were known to return to terrorist camps).

The issue has--and has always been--a lack of legal precedent dealing with individuals who are not native US citizens (read: fall under US laws) and are not legal combatants (read: fall under geneva conventions). This "gaping hole" in legal code is the ongoing reason for detention.

I don't like it one bit. It needs to be fixed. In the meantime, granting the bill of rights to said detainees (who are NOT U.S. citizens), or trying them under military tribunal (which is operated by geneva conventions) would be incredibly bad. In the former case, we'd be giving rights to individuals who demonstrated such a lack of respect for human rights that they sought to bring down the very country which grants them. In the latter case, the detainees would almost assuredly be found guilty of war-crimes, as they do NOT conform to the ROE of uniformed combat.

It's so easy to armchair QB this one when you don't have all the facts.


RE: Let's see here...
By Captain Orgazmo on 5/23/2013 4:14:53 AM , Rating: 2
There is plenty of historical precedent on how to deal with unlawful enemy combatants. Solutions range from summary execution to gibbeting. When dealing with murderous jihadi scum, I lean towards gibbeting.


RE: Let's see here...
By inperfectdarkness on 5/23/2013 2:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
if there is a law espousing gibbeting, then i'm ok with that. without a law to back things up, we are no better than the enemies we fight.


RE: Let's see here...
By DT_Reader on 5/23/2013 1:29:15 PM , Rating: 2
According to the Supreme Court, the entire planet falls under U.S. laws, so don't give that argument.

The only disagreement is over where to hold the trials - civilian courts or military tribunals, where to imprison those found guilty, and what to do with those found innocent. Since Congress and the President can't come to any agreement, they kick the can down the road...


RE: Let's see here...
By boeush on 5/24/2013 7:44:01 PM , Rating: 2
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we'd be giving rights to individuals who demonstrated such a lack of respect for human rights that they sought to bring down the very country which grants them.
Demonstrated? Really???

Says who?

Proves who???
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If innocence could be established beyond a reasonable doubt
That's exactly ass-backwards with respect to the principles of guilt and innocence that govern MODERN Western culture. Here in the civilized world, we're supposed to presume people -- ALL PEOPLE , regardless of citizenship -- innocent until proven guilty.

On the other hand under your standard, what you get is Stalinist-style "disappearances" and "gulags", as all it takes for someone to "disappear", is that their neighbor simply goes and 'denounces' them to some appropriate authority. No proof of guilt required: a mere suspicion is enough to effectively end a life.

If that's the kind of regime you'd prefer to live under, good luck to you. I'd be absolutely horrified to share your country of residence, however...


RE: Let's see here...
By inperfectdarkness on 5/27/2013 8:04:24 AM , Rating: 2
I'm game to hear how YOU would handle the situation.

Everything I've studied on the issue says that the shortcoming has to do with international laws which apply to these cases--not unilateral actions on behalf of any one state actor.


RE: Let's see here...
By boeush on 5/28/2013 6:14:57 PM , Rating: 1
You wrote that granting the bill of rights to these "demonstrated" enemy combatants would be "extraordinarily bad".

I submit that we grant the bill or rights to monsters like Timothy McVeigh and James Holmes, and we do so on principle. What could possibly be so fundamentally different about these creatures, other than the fact that they were born on U.S. soil?

On the other hand, you can't just assume someone is an "enemy combatant", never mind "terrorist", because they were forced to confess under torture, or they're claimed to be guilty by some warlord who probably sought reciprocal advantage, or because some field agent said so with no further proof, or because they just happened to be at the wrong place, at the wrong time, or maybe because they just happen to look like someone or have the same name as someone else.

And it's not as if any of this is really new. Britain was dealing with the IRA for decades, long before 9/11. This stupidity about "war on terror" has to stop. These people, when they are not in fact soldiers on a field of battle, are nothing more or less than criminal thugs conspiring to commit crimes. They must be investigated, arrested, and put on trial as such. It's really very simple.

AFAIK, there are a handful of reasons why this isn't being done with the Guantanamo detainees. First reason, is pure political grand-standing, a.k.a. pure bullshit. Second reason, is most (if not all) of the evidence is fatally tainted because it's obtained via torture or other invalid methods -- so no sane and lawful court would admit such evidence into the proceedings. Third reason, is there is actually no evidence at all, and we're only holding these people to save face: releasing them would be tantamount to admitting we made a series of horrible mistakes, and ruined these peoples' lives and heaped injury upon insult upon injury for no good reason only because we were panicking and losing our heads precisely as Bin Laden hoped we would. All of these reasons, I'm absolutely certain, play some part in the cases of most of the detainees still being held; all of them are unacceptable.

There's only one actually valid reason, and that is classified intelligence gathering methods and sensitive intelligence information that would come to the light of day in a trial. However, I think that's easily dealt with, in closed court proceedings, by swearing the jurors, the advocates, the judge, and all attendant clerks and officers, to secrecy under penalty of treason.


By drycrust3 on 5/21/2013 4:34:42 PM , Rating: 3
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U.S. military officials have blocked access to wireless internet and social networks like Facebook and Twitter at Guantanamo Bay because it fears that international hacking group Anonymous will launch an attack to disrupt services at the naval base.

PRESIDENT REAGAN:
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Today I say: As long as the gate is closed, as long as this scar of a wall is permitted to stand, it is not the German question alone that remains open, but the question of freedom for all mankind.

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General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!




Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
By Solandri on 5/21/2013 6:24:21 PM , Rating: 2
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U.S. military officials have blocked access to wireless internet and social networks like Facebook and Twitter at Guantanamo Bay because it fears that international hacking group Anonymous will launch an attack to disrupt services at the naval base.

So to prevent Anonymous from disrupting Internet services, they preemptively disrupted their own Internet services themselves?




Good on you Anonymous
By mike66 on 5/21/2013 5:50:29 PM , Rating: 1
You have my full support. If they think that cutting the WiFi will stop a protest then let them dream on, seems to me that the 100 hundred Hunger strikers is the same number as the 100 of the detainees who should be let go (with big compensation payments although all the money in the world is no proper recompense) as they have been proven innocent by USA's less than intelligence agencies.




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