“The pervasiveness of child pornography on the Internet is horrific and it
needs to be stopped,” said New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, speaking in
a press release. “We are attacking this problem by working with Internet
Service Providers to ensure they do not play host to this immoral
business. I commend the companies that have stepped up today to embrace a
new standard of responsibility, which should serve as a model for the entire
Usenet – one of the internet’s oldest applications – dates back to a time
long before the World Wide Web. Its popularity died down as web sites and
web-based message boards came into vogue, relegating it to a forgotten “back
alley” frequented by niche crowds. One thing Usenet hasn’t been forgotten for,
however, is its ability to store and distribute files such as music and, in
this case, pornography.
Traditionally, ISPs have stayed out of enforcing restrictions on what its
users’ access, citing the legal immunity granted to them by maintaining
a policy of noninterference. That immunity has come under attack from a
wide variety of sources. Previous aggressors include the content
industry, frustrated with ISPs’ permissive stance on piracy, as well as the
ISPs’ themselves as they explore ways to further monetize their infrastructure.
Now, with its investigation concluding, ISPs can add the New York state
Attorney General’s office to that list.
Investigators had to take an unusual course of action, however. Traditional
approaches failed; ISPs responded with a routine disclaimer of responsibility
for the content of their networks. Instead, investigators chose to invoke a
section of each their service agreements that promised to take action against
users who distribute child porn; when the contacted ISPs failed to act after
receiving a series of anonymous complaints from investigators, the Attorney
General’s office pounced by threatening to charge them with fraud and deceptive
business practices. The ensuing agreement was a result of these threats.
Cuomo says the unconventional approach was necessary, because traditional
methods are not working. Attacking individual distributors has “limited
effectiveness,” he said, because American demand for child pornography is
internationally, frequently hailing from countries doing little in the way
“The ISPs’ point had been, ‘We’re not responsible, these are individuals
communicating with individuals, we’re not responsible,’ ” said Cuomo.
“Our point was that at some point, you do bear responsibility.”
As part of its agreement, the three ISPs will also pay
$1.125 million to underwrite the investigation and “fund additional efforts
by the Attorney General’s office and the National Center for Missing &
Exploited Children to remove child pornography from the Internet.”
quote: They are just covering up the fact that it is being made, by censoring it from being easily seen by casual internet browsing.
quote: Searchable archive of more than 700 million Usenet postings from a period of more than 20 years
quote: But they aren't going after the producers. They are just covering up the fact that it is being made, by censoring it from being easily seen by casual internet browsing.
quote: They are going after newsgroups, which is where it's pirated. They are actually protecting the producers by reducing the piracy of child porn.
quote: My question is simple: when will international governments come forward and ban the use of cherubs in Raphael's paintings and other early Christian paintings.
quote: Women in foreign countries
quote: Americans are just prudish
quote: when National Geographic goes to some impoverised country or a native tribe and there might be blurry background
quote: no nude child posing
quote: These latter groups may not be even indirectly responsible for the exploitation of the children involved,
quote: It was about celebrating how amazing the human body was, not sexually, but scientifically.
quote: Cherubs don't turn me on, but Venus/Aphrodite is an altogether different story.
quote: Sadly, just like drugs, as long as there's demand for this kind of "content", production and distribution will never be stopped, only hindered.
quote: Unlike drugs, child pornography hurts children.
quote: If it's legal it's regulated and no child can just walk into any store and buy it. They have to have their parents or some other adult do it - someone more readily tracked than joe anonymous dealer on the street who will sell to anyone with cash.
quote: The theory of infantile amnesia is the idea that few people can retrieve events and memories that happened to us roughly before the age of 3.
quote: I felt it was my OBLIGATION to EDUCATE you on the basic theories of infantile amnesia
quote: Let me state unequivocally that I am against child porn. I do not, however, feel this move by the New York AG is right.
quote: So you’re against it, but you don’t want “the man” to take any steps to seriously try and curtail it?
quote: “Well, I don’t think my fellow Germans are doing the right thing with all that Jew cooking, but I’m not in favor of other people trying to invade either.”
quote: When the government strong arms an ISP to block your downloading of that next summer blockbuster, then you can cry foul and demand freedom
quote: This will not curtail it except by perhaps an infinitesimalsmall amount. It makes good press but the practicality of this action is null.
quote: How you can equate this to genocide baffles me!
quote: Censorship of any sort is probblemaic. What standard is used to determine what should be censored and what should not? Should community standards in one part of the country be used as a basis for the rest of the country?
quote: Yes, kiddie porn is bad but what about the couple that takes a picture of their nude infant in the bath? Should they be prosecuted for child pornography? (Don't laugh, it has happened!) In some countries it is legal to take (non-sexual) pictures of nude teens. In other countries it is not. Who is to decide what is allowable and what is not? You? Me? Therein lies the problem with censorship.
quote: And as stated previouisly, the problem is that, unchecked, this censorship will start to spill over into other subject matters.
quote: by rahvyn13 on June 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM...Cuomo is known for doing these kinds of things to extort money from corporations...
quote: While I think child pornography is detestable, the questions as to how they select which sites and newsgroups are blocked becomes a relevant issue.