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Privacy does not reign supreme

The US Department of Justice still wants Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and other Internet companies to keep records of where visitors go while using search engines.  Web searches and e-mail exchanges would be kept on record, but without the content specifically being monitored.  The DoJ proposal will need congressional approval before coming into power.  Illegal activities like child pornography and terrorism would be investigated by law enforcement agencies, according to the government.  Even though the companies want to help law enforcement, they are highly concerned about protecting the privacy of their customers.

The DoJ versus Google story has been growing for the past several months.  In late February, the government declined Google's request for privacy of its users.  Google in March was ordered to open some of its Internet files for the Justice Department.  The agreement will force Google to turn over 10,000 web sites and 1,000 search requests that will be analyzed by the government.  Microsoft and MSN both turned over search records without much resistance to the demands of the US DoJ.

Yahoo and Google already have a track record for abiding by the laws of the local government.

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By Hare on 6/5/2006 6:05:24 PM , Rating: 2
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
- Benjamin Franklin




RE: Quote
By TomZ on 6/5/2006 6:15:05 PM , Rating: 2
My understanding is that this is a mis-quote.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


RE: Quote
By Hare on 6/5/2006 6:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
Live and learn. Thanks for the correction!


RE: Quote
By proamerica on 6/5/2006 10:13:09 PM , Rating: 2
He did say this though:

"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."


RE: Quote
By Chernobyl68 on 6/5/2006 7:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
I like the Civ 4 version better...
"Those who would give up a little Liberty, for a little Security, will deserve neither, and lose both."


RE: Quote
By timmiser on 6/5/2006 6:17:32 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, Ben Franklin never said or wrote that line.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin


RE: Quote
By poohbear on 6/6/2006 9:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
i dont see it mentioned in the "misattributions" section. where exactly does it say he never said that cause i read it in a source much more reliable than wikipedia.


RE: Quote
By timmiser on 6/6/2006 6:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs down from the page I linked too: (probably more info than you wanted to know!)

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document. Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson to be the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
Many variants derived from this phrase have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither"
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"
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Enough is Enough
By creathir on 6/5/2006 5:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
I am all for protecting the kiddos...
But it is NOT the DOJs business what I look at and when. This would NEVER stand up in court. We protections in the Consitution to prevent this sort of thing...
- Creathir




RE: Enough is Enough
By segagenesis on 6/5/2006 5:21:36 PM , Rating: 2
The protections were not defined for the 21st century unfortunately. I get the feeling because of this it actually would hold water in court.

Illegal activities like child pornography and terrorism would be investigated by law enforcement agencies, according to the government.

The magic words of child pornography and terrorism mean that anyone who votes against this would risk not getting re-elected. Tag this to any bill and it will automatically pass.

Don't get me wrong this should not be the priority of the government when I imagine that Google would be the last place a real terrorist would go for information... or communication...


RE: Enough is Enough
By TomZ on 6/5/2006 5:38:40 PM , Rating: 5
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This would NEVER stand up in court. We protections in the Consitution to prevent this sort of thing...

I agree, but unfortunately, we have a lot of "irrationals" working "for" us in Washington. These folks have clearly demonstrated a reckless disregard for our Constitution and the court system. Heck, just today, I'm seeing our president and our Congress talking about a "Marriage Protection Amendment." You see, as they say since many "activist judges" have in this case so far understood Equal Protection from our Constitution, our "leaders" in Washington cannot accept this principle, and have instead decided they need to circumvent the courts by creating a Constitutional Amendment that legalizes hatred, bigotry, and discrimination.

In another case coming up, I see our "leaders" are planning on trying to pass another Constitutional Amendment making flag burning illegal. Again, they cannot accept that the courts have defended the Constitution again and again by saying that flag burning is Constitutionally-protected free speech. So again, they want to add into the Constitution this limitation on free speech.

Therefore, I think it is upon us, as citizens, to get involved, and let your Senators and Congressmen/women know that you care about these issues. I think this is not a time for complacency.


RE: Enough is Enough
By jskirwin on 6/6/2006 10:54:22 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed.
Both amendments are lollipops for the constiuencies of both Reps and Dems. Pols think that they can show how devoted they are to the people they represent by their stances on these issues, knowing that both have a snowball's chance of actually making it into law. These are safe issues and complete sops to the electorate.

Want to see your pol squirm? Ask him about his/her stance on immigration. Pols have shown themselves to be completely out of touch on this issue, and are amazed that they cannot control you over it.

Don't be fooled by these "amendment" red herrings. Contact them about the issues that really matter instead.


RE: Enough is Enough
By Einy0 on 6/6/2006 4:24:05 PM , Rating: 2
I agree 100% but tell that to this current administration. Bush and his cronies have wiped thier arses with our bill of rights since they took office. This is no different. Things can't continue along this path for long...


What are they doing with this data?
By NateSLC on 6/5/2006 5:58:00 PM , Rating: 2
What happens when I call my dad when he's driving his big rig near the Mexican border? What happens when I try to become a better informed citizen by searching news on Iraq, Afghanistan or even Al-Quaida? After nightly data processing am I hopping up some danger list?

What about domestic terrorism? Is it the same if I do online research for my depression and anxiety disorders? What if terrorism affects my disorder and part of my therapy is to become better informed about that?

How many searches does it take to get to the jailhouse center of a Tootsie Pop?

Let's NOT find out.




By NateSLC on 6/5/2006 6:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
That sounded much better in my head as "How many clicks does it take". :)


By derdon on 6/6/2006 2:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
The question is: Does your government want better informed citizen? Or does it rather want that you get the information they give you? Much like in China.
Sure, it's not anywhere that severe, probably never will, but I am offended that there isn't a strong signal for the other direction!


I spy with my little logfile...
By Griswold on 6/5/2006 6:10:39 PM , Rating: 2
... child molesters and terrorist and pirates everywhere! Can you hear the click of the handcuffs, Johnny?




RE: I spy with my little logfile...
By videoclone on 6/5/2006 6:50:30 PM , Rating: 2
This is an issue for people in America as for the rest of the world ...meh

Do the right thing and vote for a new government .. ohhh umm yeah, your elections and rigged,.. oh well your screwed ^_^


By videoclone on 6/5/2006 6:51:48 PM , Rating: 2
Crime is bad mmmkay! :3


<search>
By Scabies on 6/5/2006 5:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
Search: Terrorism scenerios AND terrorist attack survival
*click*

- the next day -
I got copxxored! wtf!?




RE: <search>
By IMPoor on 6/5/2006 5:55:34 PM , Rating: 2
Dang Goberment. It is so lame that this is a top priority. Like this will stop terrorism and child porn. Oh yeah DoJ this is the solution you morons. First off let dateline take care of the sex offenders. Then find a way to battle terrorism other than a search engine. I am not a super genious but I think that if google is my best effort to stop terrorism then our country is in alot of trouble.

Google Search: stop terrorism
Results: get google search results

Wow it was so simple!


You guys are paranoid.
By jskirwin on 6/6/2006 10:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
Considering how happily Google rolled on its back for the Communist Chinese government CENSORING of web searches, I think you guys need a reality check.

You are much more likely to be sued and/or jailed for piracy under the DMCA then you are over this.

You want threats? How about the lawsuits RIAA has handed out to people for illegal downloads? And before you are saying "Well, they broke the law" you might want to consider that people are innocent until proven guilty - and it costs thousands of dollars to hire a defense attorney. And merely the threat of litigation should rankle your idealism more than this.

Once the gov't starts threatening people for reading Hamas communiques, then I'll worry. Until then it's all paranoia.