Last year, the U.S. announced its long-awaited missile defense shield --
a.k.a. "Star Wars" -- was functional
and ready to defend parts of the nation from attack. Since then,
effort has focused on expanding system capabilities. The Czech agreement
will allow sitting of an advanced tracking radar station in the nation, to
allow early detection and interception of missile launches.
The U.S.'s top diplomat called the agreement essential for long-term
security. "Ballistic missile proliferation", said Ms. Rice, "is
not an imaginary threat". She pointed to efforts by Iran to build
longer-range missiles capable of reaching most of Europe.
Response from other nations was quick to follow. Russia, which sees
its unstoppable arsenal of nuclear weapons as essential to its world standing,
went so far as to threaten military action. A statement from the
Russian Foreign Ministry said, “We will be forced to react not with diplomatic,
but with military-technical methods". The statement did not
elaborate on what those methods might be.
The U.S. has said the defense system was not aimed at Russia, and in the
past has suggested Russian inspectors could visit radar and interceptor sites
Poland is the next bone of contention, with the U.S. hoping to site
interceptor missiles there. Talks with the Polish government have
stalled, however, and the U.S. has suggested Lithuania may be an alternate
quote: 'My country right or wrong'
quote: The prospect for survival in the event of nuclear holocaust, for us, is slim at best.
quote: The idea of mutually assured destruction is a bizarre and irrational idea when it comes to the perpetuation of us humans as a species.
quote: We need to look beyond economic, political, and cultural paradigms to understand that we all are greater than the sum of our parts; that it is not the nations of the world that constitute humanity, but the people of the world.
quote: I know that inevitably there will be responses to my post by the meat heads of this forum who will label me as a 'pussy' or tell me to 'wake up'
quote: want to kill us because 'they' are envious of 'our' freedoms
quote: This is the fucking United States of America!
quote: I am no spiritualist, but I know there is a common good in humanity
quote: I'll go ahead and replicate your condescending manner and say DON'T OPEN A TEXTBOOK, OFFICIAL HISTORY WON'T TELL YOU SHIT. Take a look at "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. I'm sure you'll just dismiss it as dangerous Communist rhetoric (and it may even scare you), but at least you'll have some exposure to something other than the conqueror's history.
quote: Russia, which sees its unstoppable arsenal of nuclear weapons as essential to its world standing, went so far as to threaten military action. A statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry said, “We will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods". The statement did not elaborate on what those methods might be.
quote: So where is the threat? I have seen NO missiles shot against US for the last 4 decades at least.
quote: Think if it this way...if Iran truely creates a nuclear weapon; what good is it if they have no hope of being able to launch the weapon.
quote: "Ballistic missile proliferation", said Ms. Rice, "is not an imaginary threat". She pointed to efforts by Iran to build longer-range missiles capable of reaching most of Europe.
quote: "from Lithuania which by the way everybody knows its just so close to Iran (sarcasm) than lets say Turkey (with whom we already have good relationships)."
quote: These people want to kill us based on our freedoms.
quote: They want control, power, influence, land, whatever... and we stand in their way.
quote: To correct a few mistakes, the Soviets didn't declare war on Japan until after the nuclear bombs were dropped
quote: In fact, even after the bombings, the Japanese Supreme War Council voted against surrender. It wasn't until after Hirohito made a personal appeal to the people by radio that surrender was granted
quote: The nuclear bomb changed that equation, and saved those millions of Japanese lives.
quote: In preparing for the invasion of Japan, the US government manufactured and stockpiled half a million Purple Heart medals for those wounded in battle.
quote: I already demonstrated that this is completely false
quote: The notion that the Soviets would have unilaterally invaded Japan is ludicrous.
quote: a Soviet invasion would -- just like a US-based one-- have killed a hundred times as many Japanese civilians as the nuclear bombs did.
quote: And once again, your issue is moot, as Hirohito was only convinced to call for surrender because of the nuclear bombings.
quote: You're seriously trying to suggest we would have allowed a stalemate to stand?
quote: They had already declined several surrender offers, they had already ignored hundreds of thousands of their own civilians dying from conventional bombing, and they had already began implementing plans to prepare for all-out invasion.
quote: Did you go to school in the US maven? Everything you've said is the exact opposite of what I was taught in class.
quote: It was the show of literally unlimited potential to wipe out their entire existence that ended the war.
quote: It wasn't exactly as psychologically effective as one plane, one bomb, but killed an even greater number of civilians.
quote: Defense, however, is always ethical. The ability to destroy nuclear missiles before they reach their targets is a good thing, no matter how you slice it.
quote: Considering that this is where Russia keeps close to 70% of it's nuclear stockpiles, it negates most of the threat that Russia poses to the west.
quote: Our leadership wants to break the equilibrium for the same reason they broke the equilibrium in the middle east.. because they have no idea what they're doing.
quote: Consequentially, they are going to get us all killed by inflaming Islamic terrorists around the globe, and now Russia and her allies.
quote: Or were trying to remove another threat from the table like any military that wants to protect its citizens should be doing.
quote: Let me also point out that North Korea, which actually HAS missiles, AND nuclear weapons was dealt with without firing a single shot.
quote: How the hell do you explain that?!
quote: If they are so pathetic and low tech why are we scared of them?
quote: They're all tough guys unless they or their families have to die to fight in the unnecessary wars and conflicts they started.
quote: So we think we get more freedom from even more surveillance?
quote: Maybe it's there to detect threats from Asia or the Middle-east, where we know there are potential threats.
quote: In which case somebody at the Pentagon needs to re-take Geography 101.But then, considering Americans' general level of geographical knowledge, I guess I shouldn't be surprised...
quote: Gas prices are high because the US refuses to allow new drilling or new gas refineries
quote: Are you saying that demand for oil tripled in such a short time?
quote: So where is the threat?
quote: -There is no greater danger to peace in the world today than the USA.
quote: No one is going to attack anyone,
quote: Sorry the propaganda led you to believe otherwise. And we wouldn't attack to "keep the peace" but rather to reshape the world in the image of a few vain men.
quote: Peace exists when a country as powerful as the USA does not threaten or attack other nations.
quote: Ever heard of walk softly but carry a big stick?
quote: You war propagandists are not "walking softly" with your rhetoric
quote: but you are walking softly in that you are happy to let others do your foreign interventionism and fighting for you. Sorry but you're a coward, that's a fact.
quote: Negotiation involves more than military power. I'm sorry you don't understand all the metrics involved with keeping peace other than killing people (not that you've done any of THAT part of the job).
quote: There, that's pretty much it in why you are sitting in a chair talking about how silly peace is when you aren't doing the heavy lifting you endorse.
quote: If the U.S. wasn't knee deep in South Korea and Taiwan, you bet North Korea and China would take advantage of the situation.
quote: No one is going to attack anyone, besides the US attacking someone else.
quote: adored and supported by everyone, also US
quote: The US had an actual monopoly and an effective monopoly of nuclear weapons for some time and never used them on the Soviet Union.
quote: The claimed source of the threat is not terrorists it is North Korea and Iran, whether you think those are credible threats are up to you. And the fact is Iranian missiles can reach Europe now and Korean missiles can reach the west coast of the US.
quote: The US is indeed the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons on civilian populations; however that was 63 years ago. How it has any relevance on actions today is beyond me.
quote: Even if one accepts that the entire justification for the Iraq war was false, and I don’t, to say the US NEVER shies away from starting a war under false pretenses is a bit overblown, don’t you think?
quote: Besides, the justification for the war is not an example of false pretenses. Nearly everyone who had an opinion- including the French, Germans, Russians, and the entire Clinton administration- believed Iraq had WMD.
quote: This belief was wrong but it hardly constitutes a deliberate misstating of facts seeking to mislead.
quote: Every action has it's ramifications and remains relevant for a long long time.
quote: First, France, Germany, Russia and China did not had any independent confirmation of Iraq possessing WMD at the time of the invasion.
quote: I, for once, do not think that Bush administration was so naive that after no (and I mean ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING) WMD were discovered, they just said - oops, we screwed up. Some individuals (like above mentioned Powell) were misled into believing that this was the motive for war
quote: quote: Every action has it's ramifications and remains relevant for a long long time.This is true, however it has nothing to do with whether the US is going to use nuclear weapons anytime soon.
quote: quote: First, France, Germany, Russia and China did not had any independent confirmation of Iraq possessing WMD at the time of the invasion.I am not sure what you are trying to say here, however all the above countries made public statements to the effect that Iraq had WMD.
quote: quote: I, for once, do not think that Bush administration was so naive that after no (and I mean ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING) WMD were discovered, they just said - oops, we screwed up. Some individuals (like above mentioned Powell) were misled into believing that this was the motive for warI am guessing here that you are implying Bush knew before the war that there were no WMD. If this was the case why didn't they just plant some? One fact that is often forgotten is that Bush gave Saddam the opportunity to leave the country and avoid confrontation. This was certainly not the action of an administration that NEEDED to invade Iraq.
quote: Did you read my argument to the end or just cut first sentence and pretended I never expanded on it?
quote: Not true. Russia said that they had no evidence that Iraq had reinstated it's WMD program, so did France.
quote: What was he talking about? "First, "Regarding the chemical area, we have indications about a capacity to produce VX and mustard gas." Second, "In the biological area, our evidence suggests -- the evidence suggests that there are significant stocks -- there is the possible possession of significant stocks of anthrax and botulism toxins and the possible -- possibly a production capacity today." Finally, Iraq at present had no long-range missiles, "but we have disturbing indications about the continued determination of Iraq to acquire ballistic missiles with a range exceeding the authorized range of 150 kilometers."
quote: Bush, Rice and Powell were still talking about last chances they were giving Saddam but no one believed for a second that war would be avoided.
quote: The fact is, US brushed off that idea just as they did not want the new shield to be developed in cooperation with Russia.
quote: It is always implied that here in US we have news while anywhere else they have propaganda.
quote: Russians NEVER said that the facilities they were proposing would be used 'as is'.
quote: If US truly does not intend to use the shield against Russia, as they claim, what would they lose by integrating it with Russian defense system?
quote: but a missile shield in a former Soviet country doesn’t help build better relations.
quote: Our missle defense shield in reality poses not a "physical" threat to Russia at all, but instead a diplomatic, political and intangible one. Great things (not always so good) have been accomplished with a little propaganda and some hope.
quote: Today after 7 years thanks to the whistle blowers, brave souls that put their life on the line, we know that the tragic events of September 11, 2001 are the work of the Bush administration.
quote: Please provide us with verifiable facts only.
quote: but only if those with bravado about "keeping the peace" like yourself would go get out there and fight! Oh wait, you prefer the computer chair and a keyboard..
quote: So tell me why do you think 9/11 happened? It is ONLY because of our presence and influence in the Middle East and nothing else. Knowing(and accepting) what motivated the terrorists on 9/11 is vastly more important than anything else.