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Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter
The Chinese government is heavily investing in military research and development

The Pentagon recently noted that China's evolving military could be on track for a complete overhaul by 2020 Reuters reports. China reportedly spends about $160 billion USD each year on its military development, and other global super powers are anxiously watching. 

For example, the J-20 stealth jet program should be operational within the next seven years, and China's navy recently began sea trials of its first aircraft carrier.  The 
former Soviet ship was retrofitted to be an aircraft carrier -- and it will take a few more years before China can develop its own aircraft carriers. 

At a time when U.S. defense spending is under pressure, lawmakers are worried about China's military and space program spending.  

Even the U.S. State Department is becoming annoyed with China’s advancements, brazenly questioning its motives. "We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment,” read a statement issued by the U.S. State Department last month. “We have had concerns for some time and we've been quite open with them with regard to the lack of transparency from China regarding its power projection and its lack of access and denial of capabilities." 

Chinese officials continue to defend their country's evolving military, saying they hope to work with Washington. "Despite continued gaps in some key areas, large quantities of antiquated hardware and a lack of operational experience, the PLA (China's People's Liberation Army) is 
steadily closing the technological gap with modern armed forces," stated a report covering China's 2010 military development. 

Continued economic turmoil in Japan has given China added confidence that it can be the standout Asian superpower, while the communist nation continues to woo foreign companies to invest inside its vast borders. 



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And?
By quiksilvr on 8/26/2011 8:11:35 AM , Rating: 5
What can we do about it? Open manufacturing plants here and make our own stuff? Fat chance. We're WAY past the point of no return now. Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor. The only logical and realistic thing we can do now is try to stay friends because it won't be long until China's military will surpass us.




RE: And?
By frobizzle on 8/26/2011 8:20:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor.

Don't worry! On our present course, if certain government factions have their way, we will be supplying the slave labor for China!


RE: And?
By WinstonSmith on 8/26/2011 8:39:34 AM , Rating: 5
"Our country is woefully dependent on China's slave--er I mean cheap labor."

A myth.

"Made-in-China" Only 2.7% of U.S. Spending; Really? What Does It Mean?"

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/08...

And the vast majority of production for the US military is done _in the US_ for security reasons. Anyway, in a country that spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined (over $1 trillion per year when ALL costs related to the military are added up), you're going to have a tendency to always present the future "enemy" as ten feet tall.


RE: And?
By quiksilvr on 8/26/2011 8:52:18 AM , Rating: 5
There is another major factor that is being ignored here. This is $400 billion dollars a year right? How much of that income is going to the companies/workers with respect to the government? $400 billion goes a much longer way for the Chinese government than it does for US.

And further more, if $400 billion is a paltry 2.7%, then why don't we just replace those international imports from China with manufacturing facilities here?...BECAUSE ITS FRIGGING $400 BILLION DOLLARS! ANNUALLY. 2.7% or 0.0001% its still hundreds of billions of dollars going to a country every year that neglects the rights of its people be it via censorship, healthcare or otherwise.


RE: And?
By Natch on 8/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: And?
By Strunf on 8/27/2011 5:52:40 AM , Rating: 1
You think it was only the USSR that stole from the US? and not the other way around? The USSR and today Russia still have plenty of technology worthy to be stole even by the US!

Let me get this straight the US soldiers are dedicated and professional? if that's the case then what was the whole deal about putting your prisoners naked and taking pictures? Or about when they just drove over dead bodies? A battlefield is a nasty place and for your own good you better leave your moral and education at home...


RE: And?
By billshut on 8/27/2011 7:07:14 AM , Rating: 4
Compared to your Chinese draftee, who is much the same as the conscripts (draftees) that the USSR had, then yes, our volunteer military is much more dedicated and professional.

China has won most modern wars by simple attrition. They may not have the technology advantage, but if they can overwhelm you by sheer numbers, they win. Take a good look at Korean War history, and how many of their soldiers they were willing to throw away, in trying to take an anonymous hill.


RE: And?
By lol123 on 8/26/2011 10:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, an actual sensible comment. It's not every day you see one of those on these boards...


RE: And?
By JonnyDough on 8/29/2011 2:33:15 PM , Rating: 2
With nearly 100% of manufactured goods that say "made in China" at Wal-mart and other large retail stores I am not sure how you can believe this. Most products found in America, aside from agriculture and some machinery are now imported. It only took 10 years for this change to occur. Thank Bill Clinton, who lied to the American public, who is friends with Walton kids (Multi-billionaires who are the sons of Sam Walton - Wal-mart/Sam's Club founder), and who no doubt was promised great riches for that little trade deal he was able to get signed off.

~Airman S.


RE: And?
By vazili on 8/26/2011 8:49:32 AM , Rating: 3
Actually, the US produces more than China does. US manufacturing is still in highly profitable goods (pharma, defense, airliners, etc). That's why you don't see too many "Made in USA" on cheap stuff you buy.

not only that, BUT the cost of chinese labor is going up. so manufacturers have two choices

1. Move labor somewhere else that doesn't have as good infrastructure

2. Move back to the US where cost of labor is higher but cost of shipping is next to nothing


RE: And?
By kleinma on 8/26/2011 12:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
Why is why those are the targets of Chinese hacking attacks. To steal the ability to also make what the US is good at making. And the US is pretty much letting it happen.


RE: And?
By lagomorpha on 8/26/2011 1:47:36 PM , Rating: 2
The other side effect of higher wages in China is the creation of a consumer base in China. Shipping costs to the US are less important if they can sell more products in their own nation. China did spend more money than the US on computers this quarter...


RE: And?
By icanhascpu on 8/26/2011 8:59:05 AM , Rating: 1
We should probably just blame Apple for all of that.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2011 9:06:40 AM , Rating: 2
If China's military is going to be 'modern' by this passed decades standards in a decade, what makes you think they will be in position to surpass us any time soon?

The conflict is coming no doubt. I think it will be a little out from 2020 but now I'm not sure.

I think its inevitable though. They intrude on our sovereignty every time they hack into our national networks. I think the US has been posturing itself for this conflict for the passed 50 years at least.

Have faith; We have always had the edge against China and there isn't a person in our power-obsessed congress or presidential cabinet that will cede that to China or any other nation. Wars will happen before that, IMO.


RE: And?
By 91TTZ on 8/26/2011 9:35:08 AM , Rating: 3
The real enemy isn't in China but within the US. The US industrial-military complex is out of control and it's trying to survive in a time of cost-cutting. Eisenhower saw that it was a growing problem and it's gotten much worse.

But of course, the American people must keep paying these exorbitant costs or else America will be taken over by the Germans and Japanese, I mean the Koreans, I mean the Vietnamese, I mean the Soviets, I mean the terrorists, I mean the Chinese.

Nothing keeps that industry alive like pretending that we're in a state of perpetual war.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2011 10:03:56 AM , Rating: 3
Trust me, China is very much an enemy. It's not that you're all wrong, but make no mistake, China is very angry for the colonial attempt at invasion approx 1914 IIRC. Since then, China has been posturing itself towards what it is today.

Yea, there's always an 'enemy' face portrayed out there, but believe it or not, most of the time its a lot more justified than you're making it out to sound.

This goes back a lot further than Eisenhower. Alot further than probably any of your live relatives. Look it up.


RE: And?
By AnnihilatorX on 8/26/2011 10:35:29 AM , Rating: 2
Is it just me that it is sad to hear people warmonging about inevitable war?

I am Chinese and I don't want to see a war with America. Do you?


RE: And?
By bigdawg1988 on 8/26/2011 1:21:15 PM , Rating: 2
Heck no, I don't want to see any wars. And it's a little odd to me that we have about 13 carriers and get all upset about China's one little carrier. This is just some fear-mongering by DoD to keep their budgets up, as someone else posted earlier. Don't worry, there will be no war. Nukes are still one helluva deterrent to that foolishness. Heh, learn to love the bomb! The bringer of peace!!

Well, unless you don't have any, then you're fair game for destruction....


RE: And?
By lukarak on 8/27/2011 6:28:00 AM , Rating: 2
Well, if you want to change the established system, where the western world (USA, Europe where i live and some other countries) lives on work and resources of others, then you very much want a conflict. Because the system won't change peacefully. Who would give up life over your own means voluntarily?


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/30/2011 2:37:54 PM , Rating: 2
Fact: overpopulation of the earth and limited resources is a current event. No country or entity will allow its citizens to have less than what they currently have. That will inevitably lead to war. It just will. That's not my wish, it's just easy to see.


RE: And?
By NellyFromMA on 8/30/2011 2:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's not warmongering. It's analysis. Know what I hate, when people accuse me of something I'm not doing. ;)


RE: And?
By cmdrdredd on 8/27/2011 12:31:58 AM , Rating: 2
You're an idiot. China's military surpass us? We are 20 years ahead of them in every possible way. Training, technology...

When they are "modern" we will be beyond that...able to shoot their little supposed stealth planes that we've had since the 60s and 70s down with a laser.


RE: And?
By lukarak on 8/27/2011 6:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
True. But military is not the only thing that matters. China is developing too much for it not to be considered a threat to the western world. It's standard of living is based on exploiting the rest of the planet, their resources and labor, and china is looking to exit that arrangement. So it will pretty soon be time to severely limit China in its rise. Whether it will be a war or some other method, doesn't matter too much.


By dark matter on 8/26/2011 8:36:47 AM , Rating: 4
Seriously. Who does America think it is demanding to see the capabilities of other countries.

America is only one country amongst many. It's certainly not the most populous.

Who gave America permission to go poking around in other peoples countries?

And to my American friends, please do not take this as an assault on yourselves, you're obviously not the government, my entire point being "Who watches the watchmen?"

Given you own governments denial and erosion of your liberties, I wouldn't be too smug in your reply to this question.




By NellyFromMA on 8/26/2011 9:09:02 AM , Rating: 2
Well, while I believe the USA is vastly superior to China when running on all cyclinders, it would be foolish to underestimate Chinese cunning. They have been surviving since recorded history on the exact 'skills' you're down playing.

Realizing who you are dealing with is the only way to assess them accurately.


By Sazar on 8/26/2011 10:38:58 AM , Rating: 2
While it is true they have been surviving, they have been relatively easily subdued by both the Russians and Japanese and Mongolians in various capacities over the past few hundred years.

The US (modern version) on the other hand has not and most of the military advancements since WW 1 have been done with our allies or ourselves. Many of China's recent advancements have come from tech stolen by either the Russians or other partners and passed along.


By lukarak on 8/27/2011 1:01:53 PM , Rating: 2
You are of those one person one vote, everybody is equally important people? America is the only country with power projection capability, and maintains its standard of living by living not only off their own resources, but the rest of the planet as well. And that is not only America, but the whole western civilization.

And you can be sure they will not give it up without a fight. There will be a reset that will erase all of the debts western countries have towards the newly rising countries that invest their surplus. Perhaps a new war, perhaps something else. But for sure, a part of the planet will live off others.


History isn't always bunk.
By drycrust3 on 8/26/2011 5:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment,”

Since you want "any kind of explanation", why not consider the 8 Army invasion of 14th August 1900? Go to almost any school in China and ask what happened on that day and they will tell you 8 Armies invaded China, and one of those armies was from America.

Also China considers its military expenditure as its own business and no one else's business but its own.




RE: History isn't always bunk.
By Matthiasa on 8/26/2011 6:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
What did they think would happen when they were basically holding large numbers diplomats and assorted civilians hostage?

China was in a state of rebellion and said rebels just happened to target a group that would bring international action. You don't kill foreign ministers unless you are asking for war.


RE: History isn't always bunk.
By drycrust3 on 8/26/2011 7:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
If you have ever discussed the Black and Tans with Irish, you will realise that they hold a lot of justifiable resentment about the way they were treated, regardless of how much justification the British government of the time may have felt it had.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the decisions for the British government regarding the Boxer rebellion influenced those who made the decisions regarding the Black and Tans. In both cases lack of discipline by the troops was evident, and the relevant events are still remembered to this day by the Irish and Chinese.
While the hostage situation in Beijing may seem justification for the invasion in your sight, we only see that event in isolation, not as an outcome to events that took place beforehand.
The fact is if this was just a rescue attempt then why was the outcome of it followed by lots of rape, murder, looting, desecrations and destructions of important buildings, mass executions, and the forcing of a treaty upon them that China wouldn't otherwise have agreed to?
Like it or not, China believes it is justified in having a strong military, and as I said before, they won't see why they need to justify that to anyone except themselves.


RE: History isn't always bunk.
By lukarak on 8/27/2011 1:07:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well, they can think whatever they want, but i'm sure that long before they will have the technology to threaten the world order where the west exploits the rest of the planet, they will be brought to order and shown their place.


Scientist determine 2020 as...
By GuinnessKMF on 8/26/2011 9:00:21 AM , Rating: 5
Scientist determine 2020 as far enough away to not get called on bullshit, but close enough to be scare for a headline.

Other DailyTech headlines:
Japanese Robots to Take Over the Moon by 2020
China Projected to be Strongest Scientific Power by 2020
NASA Unlikely to Send Astronaut to Moon by 2020
JAXA Aims to Land Humanoid on Moon by 2020
South Korea Plans to Launch Lunar Probe by 2020




Just one thing
By highlander2107 on 8/28/2011 4:35:10 AM , Rating: 2
The fake Chinese economy will crumble before 2020.

Don't believe the PLA propaganda.




RE: Just one thing
US superpower...
By Netjak on 8/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: US superpower...
By masamasa on 8/26/2011 4:51:25 PM , Rating: 3
If you think the US has misused their power, which in some cases is certainly a valid point, they are also one of the only nations to stand up and assist others. Just wait and see what happens when some of these more dubious nations with no ethics and corruption beyond comprehension get power.


i don't understand
By dotpoz on 8/29/2011 7:16:28 AM , Rating: 2
OK, the U.S. State Department is becoming annoyed. But china has full right tu build modern fighters and aircraft carrier.

Or only the USA has the right to have 10 aircraft carrier around the world to bomb someone ?




So?
By talikarni on 8/29/2011 11:45:02 AM , Rating: 2
What good will 10-20 year old technology be when the rest of the tech world is up to date. No good having an F35 when a US laser ship shoots it down from 1000 miles... yeah I know this is just over reacting but China hasn't been on the forefront of technology in several hundred years.




FIRST! GO CHINA GO.
By tech02148 on 8/26/2011 8:16:26 AM , Rating: 1
All this china reporting just makes the enemy jealous. The US military is already and constantly modernize sinced 1940s, they have 350millions people giving them money to spend,every second a US citizen is paying taxes for somekind of transaction, China should copy the western ways to screw their citizen aka democracy, capital gains, sales tax etc, then China can have trillions on military spending and a press corp that writes about puny third world terrorists.




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