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It looks unlikely that Kim Jong Il will be creating any Miis in the near future
Along with the help of the U.N., the U.S. is trying to put a damper on the North Korean leader's holiday cheer

In an effort to thwart North Korea leader Kim Jong Il’s holiday joy, the Bush administration is using trade sanctions to bar imports of items that the communist leader enjoys.

 

According to a list obtained by the Associated Press, items such as plasma televisions and iPods are all blocked from Kim Jong Il’s grasp.  This sanctions effort, in cooperation with the U.N., is the first ever to block specific goods not aimed at military purposes. U.S. officials are making it well known that its sanction on certain goods -- particularly high end electronics that cannot be manufactured in North Korea -- is an effort to annoy the North Korean leader.

 

The U.S. is not the only country partaking in the ban. Japan has already placed several items on its sanction list, including beef, caviar and fatty tuna, along with expensive cars, motorcycles, cameras and more.  Japan already has electronics sanctions against North Korea, but this is the first time consumer goods have also found its way on that list.

 

Much of the list of banned items is tailored specifically against Kim Jong Il’s personal tastes. Kenji Fujimoto, a Japanese chef who defected in 2001, wrote a book about his time with the North Korean leader which gave the U.S. much insight to Kim Jong Il’s likes and dislikes. Despite its effort with the U.N., officials admit that enforcing the ban on the black-market would be near impossible.

 

"The problem is there has always been and will always be this group of people who work at getting these goods illegally," William Reinsch, a former senior Commerce Department official during the Clinton administration. While larger goods such as luxury cars are easier to track, small electronics, such as iPods or laptops, are "untraceable and available all over the place." Still, in Reinsch’s opinion, "It's a new concept; it's kind of creative."

 

"If you take away one of the tools of his control, perhaps you weaken the cohesion of his leadership," said Robert J. Einhorn, a former senior State Department. "It can't hurt, but whether it works, we don't know."



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HAHAHAHAHAHA
By edpsx on 11/29/2006 6:41:29 PM , Rating: 5
Bad leader, bad! We take away your plasma tvs!




RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By ryedizzel on 11/29/2006 7:04:44 PM , Rating: 2
I love the photo caption above "It looks unlikely that Kim Jong Il will be creating any Miis in the near future". LOL. Ok but in all seriousness I'm sure the leader of a country can find plenty of people/resources willing to smuggle in the goods that he wants. If anything they are only hurting the people, not the leader.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By SexyK on 11/29/2006 10:30:32 PM , Rating: 5
lol are you kidding me? It will hurt the people? Most of the country is malnourished and illiterate, and you think they have any hope of owning a plasma tv with or without this ban?


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By Christopher1 on 11/30/2006 12:40:44 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, and most of the REASON that the country is malnourished an illiterate is because of those very sanctions, that only end up hurting the North Korean people.

The idea of sanctions was to make the people of a country SO pissed at their leaders or leader, that they would overthrow them.

In this day and age, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Why? Because even North Koreas army has plenty of assault weapons and can kill ANYONE who tries to forcibly take down Kim Jong Il.

Sanctions are a failed idea, that should be totally abandoned. They are counter-productive (they lead to the people of the country HATING the people and country who put on the sanctions) and just don't work, period.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By ira176 on 11/30/2006 12:51:56 AM , Rating: 1
Yea, I guess it's just easier to hate, than to take action for a country you love.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By Clienthes on 11/30/2006 6:18:43 AM , Rating: 5
The reason the country is malnourished and illiterate is because their entire national budget goes into maintaining their military. They have very little agricultural production, and rely on foreign aid in the form of food to feed their people.

The idea of sanctions is to keep them from importing more artillery to point at the 15 million South Koreans living in Seoul. Sanctions have been very effective at doing that. They still trade actively with China, but none of that goes into economic development. The NK people have no clue what the rest of the world is like, because they are totally insulated from the rest of the world. Their government has told them three things about the outside, none of them true. A) The rest of the world is worse off than them. B) The only thing keeping them from getting worse is the leadership of the Kim family. C) It is all the fault of the U.S.

Even if NK could trade with the outside world, they wouldn't (for the most part). They don't have any money to buy anything, and the government doesn't want anything from the outside that will allow the people on the inside to figure out that the only reason they continue to exist is because the rest of the world feeds them. No one actually wants NK to fall. That would economically devestate South Korea. Imagine the economic problems Germany had reunifying magnified about 250 times (based on the relative GDP of the Germanies vs. The Koreas). We just want them to stop being a pain in the ass.

Oh, the two biggest exports from NK are opium and counterfeit U.S. currency. I think weapons are third.

As to the copmment on assault weapons: I don't know if you followed the last couple wars, but assault weapons probably aren't going to be the best defense against the stuff that would be used agaist the NKs; SAMs might work better. But the old saying "the best defence is a good offence" applies here. No one is going to attack them when everyone knows that 7 million South Koreans are going to die in the first 24 hours in the event of war, along with several thousand U.S. servicemen.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By rushfan2006 on 11/30/2006 10:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, and most of the REASON that the country is malnourished an illiterate is because of those very sanctions, that only end up hurting the North Korean people.


This is just one of the funnest things (in a messed up kind of way) I've read about in the last week....so now we are blaming sanctions for the state of a nation that is ruled with an iron fist by a power monger who is as cold as the polar ice-caps, and cares nothing for his people outside of serving his will?

quote:
The idea of sanctions was to make the people of a country SO pissed at their leaders or leader, that they would overthrow them.


Oook...if that's the way you want to spin it for your own belief I guess. However the "idea" behind sanctions is quite common sense based if you ask me....which is...let's see maybe we shouldn't allow nations that HATE US and want us dead to have the benefits of trade with us? Keep in mind, its not just the US this whack job has spouted off about ending....pretty much its peace loving country in the world including the UK mind you -- since I know quite a few UK folks participate in these forums too.

I suppose in school if a bully "terrorized" your whole grade - you'd want to keep buying him gifts for the Christmas pollyanna, or keep handing over your lunch money peacefully.

quote:
In this day and age, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Why? Because even North Koreas army has plenty of assault weapons and can kill ANYONE who tries to forcibly take down Kim Jong Il.

quote:
Sanctions are a failed idea, that should be totally abandoned. They are counter-productive (they lead to the people of the country HATING the people and country who put on the sanctions) and just don't work, period.


Sanctions have their place, as stated above...however the problem is when a country doesn't respond to sanctions -- they are kind of going "So what...I dare you to hit me..."...and when you allow said country to continue for too long with no further actions taken against it -- it just emboldens it to continue its madness and hatemongering.

Finally, the people of a sanction country should first question their government on what motivated the sanctions to be placed on it in the first place. Your way of thinking -- just hating the country who did it directly...solves nothing and its that mindset that starts wars in the first place.





RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By Wolfpup on 11/30/2006 10:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It's kind of laughable that anyone would think this would hurt Kim Jong. It's not like he needs 50,000 iPods personally or something.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By clayclws on 11/29/2006 7:11:24 PM , Rating: 3
No Amazon.com and Ebay for you too!!! HAHAHAHA!!! Man, this is hilarious. Leaders being childish :)

Oh, and while you're at it, ban the cotton candy too!!!


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By angryhippy on 11/29/2006 7:12:27 PM , Rating: 3
This is pretty funny, I doubt it will have much impact though, I'm sure he can get that stuff smuggled pretty easy.
Heh heh we should try this tactic on our leaders. "Bush get rid of your god complex, and stop being an idiot, or we're taking away your toys!"


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By knowitall on 11/30/2006 3:45:35 AM , Rating: 2
Loved it you made my day
thats funny


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By rushfan2006 on 11/30/2006 10:33:48 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Heh heh we should try this tactic on our leaders. "Bush get rid of your god complex, and stop being an idiot, or we're taking away your toys!"


Yeah or how about we get the leader of Iran to get rid of his "Iwanttoruletheworldandkilleveryonewhoopposesme" complex?

Wouldn't that be funny? ;) jackass.


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By edge929 on 11/30/2006 2:36:35 PM , Rating: 3
No crap, that guy actually thinks he is god's right hand man, the Archangel Gabriel or the Muslim equivalent (after all, it's all the same stories right?)

Anyone see his interview with Anderson Cooper a month or 2 ago? Wow, I thought the media was just BSing about his god-complex, but boy was I wrong.

/endthreadjack


RE: HAHAHAHAHAHA
By angryhippy on 11/30/2006 9:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah or how about we get the leader of Iran to get rid of his "Iwanttoruletheworldandkilleveryonewhoopposesme" complex?

Wouldn't that be funny? ;) jackass.


Hey, I didn't say Bush is the worst/craziest leader in the world. I agree the Iran leader is a fricken nut, and N. Korea's leader has to be one of the craziest evilist little dictators in the world. I'm surprised his military hasn't turned on him yet. It's sad insane little meglomaniacs always seem to be able to find tons of young men to kill for them. :-( I don't really get it. I guess it's partially poverty and desperation.

It might be nice if the American people had to approve with a vote before Congress/Senate gave themselves a raise though.


Sounds effective!!!
By MartinHimself on 11/29/2006 8:31:33 PM , Rating: 3
I find it hard to believe that a sanction on consumer trinkets can be effective or enforced for that matter. Let's face it, the man has already demonstrated his ability to procure weapons grade uranium, I mean after something like that how hard could a PS3 really be? I think maybe the US should try blocking importation of things like o say nuclear weapon components.




RE: Sounds effective!!!
By borowki on 11/29/2006 8:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
Kim uses consumer items to buy loyalty. Raising the price of these good and cutting off his source of income will definitely have an effect.


RE: Sounds effective!!!
By johnsonx on 11/30/2006 12:31:59 AM , Rating: 1
Well done borowki. So far you're the only one who gets it.


RE: Sounds effective!!!
By Yawgm0th on 11/29/2006 10:08:05 PM , Rating: 4
Fissile uranium is more widely available than the Sony Playstation 3. He might actually have some trouble getting a PS3 right now.


Big Whoop
By Lifted on 11/29/2006 6:53:18 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sure he will have such a hard time getting these items for himself and anyone else who wants them, directly from the source at that... China. I hope the ill Jong sends Bush an Xmas card with a photo of himself watching Farenheit 9/11 on a wall full of 50" plasmas.




RE: Big Whoop
By MikeO on 11/30/2006 2:44:16 AM , Rating: 2
...while listening to iPod.

This is just a publicity stunt and a very childish one at that. If Ill Kim wants plasma tv he's going to get one, or hundred, as stated in the article (black markets). I'd expect something like this from the United States of BushCo., but why the hell did the UN have to get on with this... oh right, they're America's bitch.


Not like the north koreans are suffering enough
By Regs on 11/29/2006 7:37:05 PM , Rating: 1
Their own leader drived them bankrupt for supporting a war effort to defend their lands from America. Kids there are starving - I don't really think a Plasma TV is going to matter much. I'm sure there is only about 5% of the pop there that can actually afford it.




By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/29/2006 8:10:15 PM , Rating: 4
Less than 5% of the country is even wired for electricity.


By porkster on 11/30/2006 11:09:26 AM , Rating: 1
Republicans/Democrats don't represent a Nation, so they have no moral right to ban or put sanctions on any one. It's up to the individual who own the design rights of the product.

Personally I'm against the UN, and the America-Israeli two party system - lobby, pushing for a One World Government.

Get off the Two Party System SeeSaw,a nd we might start seeing proper peace in the World. A World were we respect others unique ways of Governence, a World where we respect others races and their proteciton, a World were we respect others Cultures and Religions. A Unique World.





By edge929 on 11/30/2006 2:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah that'll happen. Take religion out of the world first and then MAYBE you'll have a shot at your perfect Utopia. Until then, expect that suicide bomber $hit to keep happening.

It'll take years upon years to re-educate the world. Until then, there will be wars, it's inevitable (read: human nature).


By angryhippy on 11/30/2006 8:55:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah that'll happen. Take religion out of the world first and then MAYBE you'll have a shot at your perfect Utopia. Until then, expect that suicide bomber $hit to keep happening.
It'll take years upon years to re-educate the world. Until then, there will be wars, it's inevitable (read: human nature).


If we can just rid of the violent religious nuts maybe. The Amish are pretty extreme, but they're peaceful and don't try to force their belief's on others with violence or even lobbying as far as I know, so they're ok in my book.

Even if everyone were athiests they'd probably find something to war about, like String Theory supporters would start suicide bombing everyone else or something. :-)

Seriously, education and a decent standard of living for everyone would be the best thing, but even that is pretty hard to pull off and may be a pipe dream. :-(


smart thinking
By msva124 on 11/29/2006 6:41:25 PM , Rating: 4
That's a good idea. Why don't they use that for the War on Drugs and make drugs illegal?




boy is he going to be angry
By quiksilv3r on 11/29/2006 7:51:03 PM , Rating: 2
he was pissed off enough when he stood in line for 5 days and didn't get a PS3..now he'll never get one!




RE: boy is he going to be angry
By ajfink on 11/29/2006 8:32:28 PM , Rating: 2
HAHA!


Sounds familiar...
By mwilkinson on 11/29/2006 6:57:33 PM , Rating: 3
New children's book "How the US stole Christmas"




This sucks for me
By shantiwuvstevin on 11/29/2006 8:24:57 PM , Rating: 2
This sucks because now I have to go on the black market to find a suitable effigy of "Jonny boy" to burn.




By osalcido on 11/29/2006 9:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
They should've banned this shit since the end of the Korean War...he shouldn't know what an MP3 Player is..but I guess if a corporation can charge him 10 times the price for one.. they'll do it.




By imaheadcase on 11/29/2006 9:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
Sanctions on N.K., lets see we hear this every year and Kim seems to be doing fine himself (though rest of country sucks).

I like how the main stream media picks up on it like its a new day coming, when in reality it is just another day for North Korea leader.




Santa sees all (google)
By ysunwoo on 11/29/2006 11:02:31 PM , Rating: 2
Bad leader
Mental enslavement of his own people, literally seeing them die like animals if they don't support him. NO TOYS FOR BAD BOY




Oh, herrow
By R Nilla on 11/30/2006 9:25:09 AM , Rating: 2
Poor Kim Jong, he'll be so ronery without his gadgets.




This is just childish
By encryptkeeper on 11/30/2006 10:52:57 AM , Rating: 2
Madeline Albright put it best when she was on the Daily Show talking about Kim Jong Il. She said he isn't insane, he's not a despot, but his country's economic system doesn't work. They have a military, he has all the things he wants but the people have nothing. We should have worked with him long ago to try and establish something to run the country more smoothly, then he wouldn't have any need to build nuclear weapons. But now they have them, and it's partly the US's fault. If we made sure to help the people of N.Korea, they would be more empowered to get rid of Il's communist regime. Now, he'll spend MORE money that could go to the people to try and get the things he wants.




Kim Jong Il tech-toys
By PrinceGaz on 11/30/2006 11:31:26 AM , Rating: 2
For some reason when I read "Kim Jong Il tech-toys", I thought it meant tech-toys of Kim Jong Il himself, such as a talking Kim Jong Il doll that says things like "Glory to the heroic soldiers of the People's Army!"

I'm not quite sure how many people outside of North Korea would actually want to buy one of them :p




Hmmm
By JNo on 11/30/2006 12:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
Just 3 words needed to describe this latest US gambit: Clutching. At. Straws.




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