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A young man plays CoD 4 at the new facility  (Source: Reuters)

Several young men shoot virtual insurgents from a Humvee  (Source: U.S. Army)
The U.S. Army gets even more interactive while trying to get new recruits

As wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to rage on, the U.S. Army is again using video games and virtual reality as methods to try and get new recruits to enlist.

The Army is looking to create these gaming depots in major shopping malls and other locations across the country.  The Franklin Mills Mall in Philadelphia has a new Army Experience Center in a 14,500-square-foot location that has a Black Hawk helicopter, Apache gunship, and a Humvee.  The Philadelphia location is a $12 million, two-year experiment to see if the Army can increase recruiting numbers in the Philadelphia area.

Inside the location at Franklin Mills are 60 gaming PCs, 19 Microsoft Xbox 360s, and couches and soft drinks for visitors to enjoy while at the facility.   It's also possible to participate in a virtual war zone using mock M4 assault rifles, using the Humvee as a shield while firing.  Another room has a simulator in which participants can launch helicopter attacks against enemy soldiers hiding on roof tops and buildings.   

Since opening in August, the recruiting facility has recruited 37 active duty soldiers and five reservists -- the one interactive center successfully recruited the same number of recruits as five normal recruiting centers.  The Army has struggled recruiting new soldiers in the Philadelphia area, which is why the center was built in the area.

The U.S. Army also has its America's Army video game designed to create interest in enlisting, with the government continuing to promote the game during tech and video game tech shows.

Recruiters hope interested parties will visit the center and enjoy a more laid back, interactive atmosphere that is less pushy than normal recruiting depots.  

The Pentagon believes the growing recessing and rising unemployment could help boost recruiting numbers for the Army, Marines and other military branches.



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got to agree
By MadMan007 on 1/14/2009 10:18:10 PM , Rating: 5
I've got to agree with the sentiments of the other posters so far. Virtual reality and simulation as a training tool is fantastic once you're in but I find it a little sickening as a recruitment tool. Being in the military and especially being deployed in live action is serious stuff, implying that a video game is anything like real combat to those not already in the service is disturbing.




RE: got to agree
By majBUZZ on 1/14/2009 10:53:40 PM , Rating: 2
This pretty much sums up both points of view

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/701/


RE: got to agree
By Hiawa23 on 1/15/2009 10:41:20 AM , Rating: 2
I have two brothers that made the mistake of going into the military. One came back, never the same person. Before he left we were close he was a nice guy, but he came back from the War damaged, a gun freak, paranoid, any loud noises set him off, & has divided us. Thank God, my other brother wised up got out went back to school & got his education, as he is doing well. I respect anyone who goes into any military service as I think it is necessary & important, I just can't recommend it to anyone who has a better option & for them to use games, well, that just doesn't seem right. Most of these men & women if not damaged physically, usually are damaged mentally.


RE: got to agree
By g35fan on 1/15/2009 12:24:50 AM , Rating: 1
Agreed. Makes me sick they use this to draw young kids in. Keep them there as long as possible with nice cozy couches and fun toys and get them acustomed to being around military personnel.

We'll have to wait and see as I'm not sure of the "area" of this Philadelphia mall...but I'm guessing it's a low income area as that's where most recruiters prey. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood and have never seen 1 single recruiter in this area in nearly 25yrs. Isn't that amazing?


RE: got to agree
By afkrotch on 1/15/2009 10:01:58 AM , Rating: 2
If it's a mall with a large enough space for all that, I highly doubt it's going to be in a low income area. Course how many large malls have you ever seen in a low income area?

Most recruiters are put into either the business district or inside a shopping mall. Doubt you find many of that in any housing area, regardless of the income of the residents.


RE: got to agree
By on 1/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: got to agree
By Wightout on 1/16/2009 4:51:52 AM , Rating: 1
Wow... just wow

I am glad you have enlightened me with such points as those...


RE: got to agree
By hipcraka on 1/15/2009 11:07:38 AM , Rating: 2
This mall is not in a "poor" area. It does get its fair share of lower, lower-middle and middle class visitors though. With the amount of violence and gun violence plaguing Philadelphia's teens, its a wise choice to put the center in a place teens feel safe. Recruiting practices have always been manipulative. The Army has just upgraded hardware to better manipulate the 21st century teen. I am in no way saying that I agree or have agreed with recruiting practices, but they do make a lot of marketing sense.

btw. King of Prussia is the mall of choice for you "upper"classes in the surrounding area.


RE: got to agree
By Aloonatic on 1/15/2009 4:06:15 AM , Rating: 4
Army recruitment is a little dubious over here in the UK too but they haven't reached these levels of desperation just yet. That probably has more to do with budget rather than any moral objection however.

In the UK they pretty much stick to the old school "see the world" approach and show squadies on white sandy beaches having fun with their mates in crystal clear blue seas, skiing or anything else fun with the occasional shot of a nice piece of military hardware such as a tank or two as a helicopter gunship flies over head.

Not one advert has the disclaimer at the bottom saying anything about how you will be bullied (possibly pushed to suicide which will be covered up) during your basic training and then shoved out in the middle east for years on end living on your wits and fearing for your life with the prospect of being shot or blown-up in woefully inadequate land rovers (not the big armour seen in the adverts) and die for nothing before being sent back to the UK and turfed out on to the streets where you are expected to adjust instantly and have no problems.

It must make the agency that came up with the commercials for the iPhone sick to see what the MOD get away with.


RE: got to agree
By g35fan on 1/15/2009 8:16:20 AM , Rating: 2
I have an idea for the US Army's marketing department. Immediately hire Apple to do all of your advertising. They can sell millions of $2,000 laptops, $500 iphones and $300 Ipods to low income idiots. Think what they can do for you!


are you sure?
By Gul Westfale on 1/14/2009 10:42:16 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The U.S. Army gets even more interactive while trying to get new recruits


that should read:
The U.S. Army gets even more DESPERATE while trying to get new recruits




RE: are you sure?
By FITCamaro on 1/14/2009 11:01:32 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the Army has met its recruiting goals every year for the past 8 years.


RE: are you sure?
By afkrotch on 1/15/2009 10:16:29 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but it's becoming increasingly harder and harder for them to meet their goals. That's why they are going to such measures.


RE: are you sure?
By Darkskypoet on 1/15/2009 12:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure they haven't... I will have to go digging now, but it was common knowledge that the U.S Army was missing recruitment goals, and that the Marines (having almost always made their recruitment goals) were also running into a period of relatively low interest:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7802712/

Now that may have been an anomaly for that year, however, I don't think it was (for the Army at least).

Also, the Army for one has dropped recruitment goals, and decreased requirements for recruits:

"In the midst of that April 10 speech, Bush boasted that "recruiting and retention have remained strong during the surge." Of course he neglected to mention how the Army, because of low numbers of new recruits, was forced to refashion its enlistment criteria over the course of the last few years, allowing them to say at this moment that they were meeting their 2008 recruiting goals of 80,000 in the active Army and 26,500 for the Army Reserve.

Achieving that goal required a reduction in the annual recruitment goal, raising the maximum enlistment age from 35 to 42, permitting those who are overweight or have physical injuries, granting entry to those with a criminal record and lowering the aptitude standards. A study by the National Priorities Project released in January determined that just over 70 percent of new recruits joining the active-duty Army in 2007 had a high school diploma, falling nearly twenty points below the Army's goal of 90 percent. The Army has long known that high school graduation is an important factor, not for performance but for retention. "

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080602/mcduffee

So I guess if by meeting recruitment goals, you mean dropping requirements, and reducing recruitment goals; sure then maybe they have.


RE: are you sure?
By Gul Westfale on 1/15/2009 10:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
i think they are only meeting their goals because they keep lowering the standards for admission. even CNN had a story on how convicted felons can now more easily join the US military... i guess not a lot of people are stupid enough anymore to be some politician's cannon fodder. congratulations to them.


RE: are you sure?
By Znamya3 on 1/15/2009 10:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
I need more information before I am willing to label this type of marketing as “desperate.”

I hope that this means we are rolling out more technology that is “remote controlled”, thus taking more soldiers out of harms way… which would need recruits with video game savvy to operate.


snag em while young/dumb
By proudtobeunamerican on 1/15/2009 1:07:14 AM , Rating: 1
I joined the US military when I was young and dumb, and out of options. Luckily I got myself discharged early by getting caught with drugs in the military. I only had to endure 10 months of "service" (aka sleep deprivation, brainwashing, being treated like sh*t).
I left the US over two years ago and traveled for most of that time. I now live in the far superior, and much more peaceful Costa Rica. I used to believe the US was "the best"......after seeing much of the world and removing my ignorance, I see it's now one of the worst.




RE: snag em while young/dumb
By afkrotch on 1/15/2009 10:18:49 AM , Rating: 5
Congrats. You're a sissy that didn't even make it out of training.


RE: snag em while young/dumb
By Grast on 1/15/2009 1:24:54 PM , Rating: 3
Congradulations, you just identified yourself as a drug taking loser in my opinion. I am glad you no longer in the U.S.

Can you please do everyone a favor and renounce your citizenship?


RE: snag em while young/dumb
By myhipsi on 1/15/2009 1:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say the U.S. is the worst country by far, but It's nice to see an American who can actually admit that the U.S. may not be the "best" country in the world. I'm Canadian, and while I like this country and I'm glad to be living here, I'm not so arrogant or ignorant as to proclaim that I'm living in the best country in the world. Not only that but it all depends on what constitutes "best", to each his own I guess.

As for the military, well, it's not for everybody. I think that recruiting with video games is sad and certainly shows the lengths that the U.S. military will go through to get recruits. A more honest approach would be to be upfront about the real dangers and hard work it takes to be in the military and actually pay these people what they deserve and provide the proper equipment they need. At least then people know what they're getting into and get paid well to do it. That would also significantly reduce troop turnover as well.


I don't like this recruitment method
By Bateluer on 1/15/2009 8:53:48 AM , Rating: 2
I do believe that military service is one of the best things a young person can do. There are lot of positive aspects to military service, but to portray military life as a first person shooter is, to be honest, disgusting.




By afkrotch on 1/15/2009 10:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
Ya, depending on what service you join, you end up with a different life.

For me, it's the Air Force life. It's like a college dorm, with a hierarchy system.


By Aloonatic on 1/15/2009 11:17:47 AM , Rating: 2
It's a great thing to do in peacetime.

Not so good when you're fighting wars with no discernible objectives in godforsaken corners of the globe.


Fun!
By grath on 1/14/2009 9:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone remember the movie "Toys" where they were training the kids to remote control toy sized vehicles with real weapons on them? What with modern computer graphics and network-centric warfare we might not even have to know we are bombing a real hospital in Afghanistan while the recruiter happily points to the next target on the screen. Dont even bother recruiting people just put the machines at a good foot traffic spot in the mall and youll get enough people wanting to stop in and blast some insurgents on their way to the food court. Recruiting problem solved.




RE: Fun!
By Ramshambo on 1/15/2009 11:45:12 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, I was just going to post about that movie. I just watched it not too long ago, it's pretty cheesy.


LOL @ the archaic, crumbling USA
By proudtobeunamerican on 1/15/2009 12:52:31 PM , Rating: 1
I am an American, but I left, cause the US blows.
Now I live in Costa Rica, the first country in the worldto constitutionally abolish it's military.
WE DON'T HAVE A MILITARY AT ALL, AND IT'S NOW CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL TO EVER AGAIN FORM ONE.




By saiga6360 on 1/17/2009 10:54:10 AM , Rating: 2
I think there's another name for Costa Rica, it's 'Easy Pickings' for anyone remotely interested.

I'm sure when you're new home gets invaded you will be the first to run away. It's the usual pattern for cowards.


By IcePickFreak on 1/14/2009 10:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one thinking of The Last Starfighter?




U.S. Army
By 2bdetermine on 1/14/2009 10:33:48 PM , Rating: 2
War, what is it good for? Apparently is a pretty good business engine for the Bush and Cheney buddies.




One Question
By dj LiTh on 1/14/2009 10:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
I only have one question... Do the games shoot back with live rounds?




All volunteer
By nafhan on 1/15/2009 8:31:01 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, this may be a little deceptive, but we live in a country with an all volunteer military. That means the military only gets people who want to join. Convincing people that they want to join in order to meet enlistment goals sure beats conscription if you ask me.
I think it's likely that anyone who makes a major life decision because of a video game probably wasn't going to give much to society anyway, and instead will maybe learn some discipline and valuable skills in the military that they can take back to the civilian world with them.




The Army is just like a FPS
By corduroygt on 1/15/2009 8:41:32 AM , Rating: 2
with better graphics




Messed Up From The War
By sh3rules on 1/15/2009 12:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Although accurate numbers are impossible to come by -- no one keeps national records on homeless veterans -- the VA estimates that nearly 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night. And nearly 400,000 experience homelessness over the course of a year. Conservatively, one out of every three homeless men who is sleeping in a doorway, alley or box in our cities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served this country. According to the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Urban Institute, 1999), veterans account for 23% of all homeless people in America.


http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

Unfortunately, there are many nutcases coming back from the war. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and think it’s because of things they’ve seen, and not because of things they’ve done.

IMO war should not be portrayed as a game, or as an adventure. If someone wants to join, they deserve to know what to expect. Have them talk to one of the hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans.




42 people total in 5 months?!?!
By 7Enigma on 1/16/2009 9:28:12 AM , Rating: 2
"Since opening in August, the recruiting facility has recruited 37 active duty soldiers and five reservists -- the one interactive center successfully recruited the same number of recruits as five normal recruiting centers."

Doesn't that sound a bit poor to anyone else? Did they mean 370? I can guarantee you handing out $10,000 "signing bonuses" would have quadrupled that number if not more. Seems like the experiment is a disaster.




Ender
By Kyanzes on 1/18/2009 8:08:26 AM , Rating: 2
Time to join Dragon army!!!




This is great!
By Sotirios1 on 1/14/09, Rating: 0
0.o
By matt0401 on 1/14/09, Rating: 0
Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By Beenthere on 1/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By Dark Legion on 1/14/2009 10:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
Actually that game looks fun. When does it come to PC?


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By StevoLincolnite on 1/14/2009 10:39:31 PM , Rating: 2
Needs Master Chief then it will pwn...


By samoak54 on 1/15/2009 11:26:37 PM , Rating: 2
psht, wanna see a soldier? Go play MGS 4, Solid Snake all the way! :)


By EglsFly on 1/14/2009 10:41:06 PM , Rating: 2
Americas Army FPS game has been available for the PC for years. Its based on the Unreal game engine, and is in process of being up dated to version 3.0
http://www.americasarmy.com/

It is free to download and play online.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By EglsFly on 1/14/2009 10:44:00 PM , Rating: 4
There is nothing dumb about having honor and serving your country. The only thing that is dumb is people like you whom do not pay a little respect to those that have and do serve.


By FITCamaro on 1/14/2009 10:56:04 PM , Rating: 2
Word. While surely some join under false pretenses, the vast majority of people who join up know what they're getting into and are proud to serve.

I hate assholes like this.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By PrinceGaz on 1/14/2009 11:56:13 PM , Rating: 1
Self-preservation is something that springs to my mind before "honour and serving your country". I don't want to be dropped in Afghanistan and possibly get killed in what increasingly looks like an unwinnable war. Actually I don't want to be involved in any real war as it makes much more sense to solve problems by sitting down and having a calm discussion, rather than blowing things up.

People who do sign up are definitely braver than me. Probably also more reckless, even foolish, but as we don't have compulsary military service (something some countries still have and which I think should be banned by the UN), they do so knowing what they are getting involved in and may be putting their lives on the line.

I tried playing America's Army briefly, but I didn't like it much because it was unrealistic compared with the other FPS games I've played. For instance, being shot even just once could kill you-- I know taking a head-shot causes more damage than body shots, but being killed by one single shot anywhere is just silly. From experience, provided healing kits are available as needed, I know it is quite possible to be hit by many dozens of bullets and even some heavier ammo (like a rocket-launcher) and still survive carrying a gun and firing back.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By vorantz on 1/15/2009 3:35:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I tried playing America's Army briefly, but I didn't like it much because it was unrealistic


quote:
From experience, provided healing kits are available as needed, I know it is quite possible to be hit by many dozens of bullets and even some heavier ammo (like a rocket-launcher) and still survive carrying a gun and firing back.


is this statement worth laughing hard at or is it just me?


By ShaolinSoccer on 1/15/2009 5:26:07 AM , Rating: 2
It't not worth laughing at. But it is worth placing your palm on your forehead then saying quietly to yourself "wtf..."

On another note, I wanna play that humvee game lolz. Kinda makes me wonder if anyone can walk in there and give it a try.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By ekv on 1/15/2009 6:00:20 AM , Rating: 2
Son, is your life even worth fighting for? Is your life even worth your parents busting their butt's to put you through school? Because if I were your parent I might start exercising some self-preservation and kick your butt out from the residence, in a compulsory [http://www.thefreedictionary.com] manner.

What's the matter with you? Do you watch too much MTV or something?

Nobody in their right mind wants to go to war, but thankfully our Founding Fathers thought the mere idea of a United States was worth dying for. Mind boggling no? Damn, I'm sure there were family men that would've preferred to sit down over a cup of tea and calmly discuss things. But, then perhaps somebody raises the taxes on tea, and you can't afford the tea. Then some troops get in your face and push you around. What's next.

Let me put it this way, did you see the first episode to the new Battlestar Gallactica? The Ceylons didn't stop preparing for war. When it was time for that treaty review meeting, the human was content to sit down, perhaps have a cup of tea, and talk things over. The enemy was not content were they? Pre-emptive strike.

War is war, and I can't think of a situation right now where you'd WANT to lose. Winning, just like anything else in life, requires preparation, training, teamwork, education, etc., and divine serendipity doesn't hurt either if you catch my drift.

If I were a kid in a rough Philly neighborhood, joining the military would likely be a win-win situation. Is anything in Afghanistan tougher than the streets of Philly? I somehow don't think so. You get some education from the military. Some discipline. If you survive, a likelihood given some moxie and luck, then use the GI Bill to further improve your situation.

And when your mum says "stop playing that video game" obey, then go bug your girlfriend, something, anything. Ok?


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By Shawn5961 on 1/15/2009 9:13:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
If I were a kid in a rough Philly neighborhood, joining the military would likely be a win-win situation. Is anything in Afghanistan tougher than the streets of Philly? I somehow don't think so.


Last time I checked, not many people in downtown Philly had access to RPGs.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By bhieb on 1/15/2009 9:27:32 AM , Rating: 2
Or body armor or M16's. Bad guys are better equipped in Afg. yes, but so are the good guys.


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By hipcraka on 1/15/2009 11:30:34 AM , Rating: 2
First of all, I don't think its downtown Philadelphia kids have to worry about. Secondly, how bad does Philadelphia have to be for people to think that its a win win situation for these kids to go to war and possibly die. By that thinking, it is ok for recruiters to only concentrate in poor neighborhoods. Poor people have fewer options; thus, they can risk more to gain their objectives.

/Here's a novel idea along that line of thought, let's recruit in just the worse areas of the worse cities in America. That way, we will have a military, and we will not have to worry about pumping public funds into revitalizing those areas. If those areas stay depressed enough, the kids will have few options but to join the military. Win Win /sarcasm and disgust


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By joemoedee on 1/15/2009 12:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Here's a novel idea along that line of thought, let's recruit in just the worse areas of the worse cities in America.


Well, they typically already do that. They've done it for years, it's just as times change the methods have to evolve to meet the current interests of the prospective recruit.

The military is going to appeal to those that don't have many other opportunities otherwise. They're not going to drop this sort of thing in Beverly Hills. So they'll focus on those areas that are poorer.

I went to HS in Northwestern PA, in a somewhat poor/rural area. The recruiters were relentless in calling. I can't count how many times I talked to them on the phone. Whereas my brother graduated high school in Southern NJ, and the recruiters never called him.

For me, the typical call went:

Recruiter: "What are you interested in doing with your life?" (Such a deep question to ask someone you don't know)

Me: "Something IT related, I've already been doing it for several years now"

Recruiter: "You know, we have a desperate need for good IT guys in the military. We could even pay your way to college."

Me: "Well, that sounds great and all, but I'm not going to walk in and just work in IT. I'll spend the first two years doing boot camp, combat training, and could possibly be deployed to some remote area of the world where there are countless numbers of people trying to kill me. Then maybe I could get an IT related position. I'll take my chances on the open job market instead. To top if off, part of my left ankle is missing and I couldn't pass the physical if I actually wanted to join."

Recruiter, after a brief period of silence: "So, I'll take your name off of the list."


RE: Snag 'em while they are young and dumb
By Grast on 1/15/2009 1:39:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Well, they typically already do that. They've done it for years, it's just as times change the methods have to evolve to meet the current interests of the prospective recruit.


You are speaking out your ASS. The military has recruitment centers in all walks of life. The military does not sugar coat, lie, or decieve anyone regarding the hazards of warfare.

I am sick and tired of the many posters here thinking that only poor people go into the military. Do you realise that only 1% of the U.S. population serves in the military. Many of these people are legacy (grandfather, father, son/daughter) and so forth. It has nothing to do with economic scale. It has to do with citizens wanting to serve and at the same time get something the military service. pride, confidence, and education.

Instead of commenting on other brave citizens decision to serve and protect your right to bitch and complain, please instead shut-up and continue being a self-fish coward of a human being.

Later.......Gulf War Vet - first time around.


By rdeegvainl on 1/15/2009 2:40:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The military does not sugar coat, lie, or decieve anyone regarding the hazards of warfare.

Maybe the MILITARY as policy does not, but recruiters do.

quote:
Instead of commenting on other brave citizens decision to serve and protect your right to bitch and complain, please instead shut-up and continue being a self-fish coward of a human being.

And let what they fought for be in vain. I say if your gonna fight for someone's right for free speach, don't tell them not to excercise it.

And before you assume anything about me, don't, cause you don't know my situation, whether or not i've served or if many of my family have or not.


By joemoedee on 1/15/2009 9:47:05 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You are speaking out your ASS. The military has recruitment centers in all walks of life. The military does not sugar coat, lie, or decieve anyone regarding the hazards of warfare.


According the New York Times, nearly one of five United States Army recruiters was under investigation in 2004 for offenses varying from "threats and coercion to false promises that applicants would not be sent to Iraq." One veteran recruiter told a reporter for the Albany Times Union, "I've been recruiting for years, and I don't know one recruiter who wasn't dishonest about it. I did it myself."

quote:
Instead of commenting on other brave citizens decision to serve and protect your right to bitch and complain, please instead shut-up and continue being a self-fish coward of a human being.


Did I comment on people's decisions? No.

So 99% of the American population are "self-fish" cowards...


By ekv on 1/15/2009 4:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
My girlfriend is better equipped 8)

And Gentlemen don't discuss the type of, um, body armor they use. Yeah, that's it, body armor.

Of course, RPG's are no laughing matter. But, I'd have to say it's how you move the weapon, and targeting, teamwork, training, etc. I still suspect there are worse things in Philly than RPG's. If you catch my drift. Of course, Philly has had a lot of "sensitivity training" so ... maybe I'm wrong and the streets are perfectly safe for phatic [yes, with a "t", get your mind out of the gutter] conversation.


By afkrotch on 1/15/2009 10:39:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually I don't want to be involved in any real war as it makes much more sense to solve problems by sitting down and having a calm discussion, rather than blowing things up.


Ya, cause sitting down and discussing it works 100% of the time.

quote:
For instance, being shot even just once could kill you-- I know taking a head-shot causes more damage than body shots, but being killed by one single shot anywhere is just silly.


It happens. Better to be trained to not get hit, then to think "well, 1 or 2 hits onto my body will be alright."

quote:
From experience, provided healing kits are available as needed, I know it is quite possible to be hit by many dozens of bullets and even some heavier ammo (like a rocket-launcher) and still survive carrying a gun and firing back.


From experience? How so? You pretty much already told us that you aren't brave enough to join military service, so how would you know "from experience."

You know those ppl who get hit by dozens of bullets or heavier weapons can go on with a gun and fire back. You know what happens later? They end up dying, usually within minutes. They hardly ever make it back home alive. If they ever do make it back, they aren't fully functional anymore.


YAY !
By chick0n on 1/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: YAY !
By ecbsykes on 1/14/2009 10:10:57 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, lay off the weed.


RE: YAY !
By dj LiTh on 1/14/2009 10:45:02 PM , Rating: 2
Dont you dare blame that on weed, thats more like meth/crank/speed happening right there.


RE: YAY !
By Lystat2k2se on 1/15/2009 12:42:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dont you dare blame that on weed, thats more like meth/crank/speed happening right there.


This made me LOL!


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