U.S. military depends on technology to give the edge on the
battlefield. The U.S. government spends billions of dollars each year
researching and developing new tech that will allow the military to
better fight enemy forces wherever and whenever the need strikes.Of
all the branches of the U.S. military, the branch that might be
considered the least modern would be the Army by some. The Air Force
has its high-tech Joint Strike Fighter program and F-22 Raptor
aircraft and the Navy has numerous high-tech
ships and weapon systems. At the same time, many of the large
programs that the Army has launched have ended before the weapons
systems were complete as a casualty of cutbacks
that U.S. 3-star general Daniel Bolger has stated that the Army does
in fact have
a strong modernization program in place and he defended that
strategy over the weekend at breakfast meeting.Gen. Bolger
said, "Now most folks in this room would probably say that in
wake of the cancellation of the Future Combat Systems [FCS], the Army
really does not have much of a modernization strategy, but I would
disagree." He continued, "Our Army has modernized
dramatically in the last decade, if you think about it. We're
organized differently and we fight differently. We did it all at war
and in fact, I would tell you, we did it because we're at
war."Among the notable Army projects that were axed by
Washington where the XM2001 Crusader program that was to be a more
modern version of the self-propelled Howitzer canon. Another casualty
of the ending of that program was the non-line-of-sight canon that
was intended to replace the M-109 self-propelled 155mm
Howitzer.Another high profile cancelled project for the Army
was the RAH-66
Comanche attack helicopter. The program to find a replacement for
the aging Bradley fighting vehicle saw its RFP cancelled in late
August with the promise that a new request for proposal would be
released within 60 days. BAE has been working on a proposal to
replace the Bradley that uses hybrid
technology.Despite the notable Army project
cancellations, Bolger points to the upgraded CH-47F Chinook
as one of the modernized vehicles in the Army's strategy. Bolger
said, "[The CH-47F] looks the same, but it's a much different
and better aircraft than the D model it replaced."The
biggest chunk of the modernization strategy according to Bolger is
the network capabilities being tested at Fort Bliss, Texas. Bolger
sees the network upgrades as the centerpiece of the Army
modernization strategy. He also points to the Army's purchase of the
Grey Eagle drone, a version of the Predator drone used by the Air
Force previously known as Sky Warrior, as one of the modern weapon
systems the Army has acquired.
quote: Part of the problem there is that any time you give a grunt an education they jump ship and get a better paying job that doesn't involve getting shot at.
quote: The last time the Air Force has gone up against another foreign air-power was in 1991
quote: How many future conflicts were prevented all together simply because nobody wanted to commit troops and equipment in a hopeless effort against such an overwhealming force?
quote: But it seems you're rather dismissive of the benefit force multipliers like air-superiority fighters and Navy ships that directly and indirectly help our troops.
quote: Name one particular situation where the availability of these massive non-nuclear forces prevented escalation.
quote: How many fighter pilots have been killed in Afghanistan? Or Iraq? The same for Naval personnel...?
quote: In the last 30 years, pretty much every conflict zone (bar the bombing of yugoslavia) has been on the army's shoulders. Yet they are the ones getting f**k all.
quote: No data on that exists.
quote: If you don't think a strong military is a deterrent, then we can end this convo right now. Because you aren't being realistic at all.
quote: Missing the point. Just because they are there today, does not mean we can tear down our armed forces and spend 30+ years retooling it to fit Iraq/Afghanistan scenarios.
quote: Amiga you are, typically, operating from foresight.
quote: We were still in the Cold War footing, armed for slugging it out with a similar high tech, well funded, opponent.
quote: Where in my post did you see me saying to give the army "f** all" ?
quote: Vietnam was over 40 years ago. The infantry were woefully ill-equipped for the task at hand. Nothing has changed since. Operating from hindsight I am not.
quote: You are completely out of touch with what the real military needs are.
quote: What good is an F-22 in Afghanistan? Or a B-2? Or a Ticonderoga missile cruiser? Yet all the money is continually pumped into these silver bullets
quote: Your arguing that the money is better spent on these big programs aren't you?
quote: Operating from hindsight I am not.
quote: Vietnam was over 40 years ago. The infantry were woefully ill-equipped for the task at hand. Nothing has changed since.
quote:Name one particular situation where the availability of these massive non-nuclear forces prevented escalation.Hmmm. 1996 Taiwan Straits Crisis?
quote: Battleships are cheaper than battles -Theodore Roosevelt
quote: but if the job can be done with hand signals and walkie-talkies, what real benefit is there?
quote: HA HA HA HA. Who you think your trying to kid? Explain the delaying of the M26 by the military... Prototype out the same time the M4 went into production. Yet the head honchos (much like this clown Bolger) knew better, and got thousands killed needlessly as a result.
quote: finally, i'd like to point out that it is much easier to build a limited number of capable weapon systems--rather than the costly process of outfitting every GI with the latest in tech gear. sure, it would be cool to have every soldier suited up & jacked in--but if the job can be done with hand signals and walkie-talkies, what real benefit is there?
quote: And I personally would think of it as a better deal considering 70% of todays asymmetric-war battles are fought mainly with small-arms.
quote: Usually only squad leaders and up get radios
quote: Depending on what source you use, the cost of training a U.S soldier in the most basic capacity is $400,000+. Of course the longer one serves the higher than number goes up. That's per soldier. I can't get a solid answer on officers, but naturally that's a whole different level of expense.
quote: I firmly believe we have the best trained, best equipped, fighting force on the planet.
quote: True, AFTER those "overpriced" fighters and Navy guys utterly destroyed the enemies ability to use tanks, air, and other logistics against our troops. Provide close air support, area denial, etc etc. Even in Afghanistan and Iraq II there were extended bombing and cruise missile campaigns before we sent the bulk of the troops in.
quote: Is that because of funding or simply how the command structure of the military works? What benefit would it be to have 20 or more guys able to jam up communications channels when, in reality, squad leaders need them to delegate authority and communicate with the "higher up's".
quote: Sorry but I'm just having a really hard time believing that somewhere someone decided to screw the troops because they rather "waste" money on bigger projects.
quote: Even the British version of the Apache is superior in quite a few ways to our own... and we invented the darned thing!
quote: Of all the branches of the U.S. military, the branch that might be considered the least modern would be the Army by some.