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Windows Phone handsets moved 2 million units in November and December, despite only being on America's second and fourth largest networks.
Results are rather mixed, and can be viewed either optimistically or pessimistically

There are now over 2 million Windows Phone 7 licenses delivered to OEMs, but what does that mean for Microsoft and the future of this platform?

During Android's first few months on the market it had only a few percent market share, versus Apple and Research in Motion's dominant positions in the U.S.  Now it owns half the market.

Microsoft is clearly hoping for a bit of the same magic.  The company arguably has the most innovative interface on any smartphone on the market today.  While RIM, Apple, and Google all rely on chiclet-style app grids at the heart their GUI (Google, at least, adds animated widgets to the homescreen), Windows Phone 7 offers a striking visual spectacle of animated menus, most of which are timesaving and intuitive.

Microsoft announced this week that Windows Phone 7 moved 2 million licenses in Q4 2010.  That's largely in line with what one might expect, as it indicates that Microsoft sustained the sales pace indicated by previously released figures.  The platform launched on November 8, 2010 and within six weeks (on December 20) had sold 1.5 million units.  

Some were quick to jump on the sales, largely using analysts to hack away at the platform.  Writes Bloomberg:

Microsoft Corp. said it shipped more than 2 million copies of the Windows Phone 7 operating system last quarter, as the company tried to reverse sliding smartphone market share...

The shipment figure isn’t all that rosy, said Kevin Burden, an analyst at ABI Research.

"The number shows there’s a lot of competition in this space and Windows Phone 7 is having a hard time being heard over the crowd," said Burden, who is based in Hopkinton, Massachusetts.

Microsoft defends itself.  In an interview with All Things Digital's Mobilized blog, Microsoft Senior Product Manager Greg Sullivan is quoted as saying, "We’re still in the early stages. When people use this phone, they really, really like it. One of the key ways that we’ll measure success of Windows Phone is did we ship a phone people love."

He says that the 93 percent approval rating the platform enjoys by Microsoft's accounting is proof of a successful mission.  Windows Phone 7 users we have interviewed do appear to echo this sort of positive response.  Virtually every Windows Phone 7 user we spoke to at CES (none of which worked for Microsoft or a phone carrier) spoke glowingly of the platform.

But there's a lot more to this story, both good and bad that is being largely overlooked.

First, Microsoft sales look more impressive, given that it is only currently offered on AT&T and T-Mobile in the U.S.  The good here is that sales will obviously pick up when the new platform lands on America's largest wireless network (Verizon).  The bad news is that Microsoft set a slow schedule for the Verizon and Sprint launches, with no concrete launch dates yet.

Second, like Android, Microsoft is pursuing an aggressive update schedule, which should help it.  It plans to deliver a pair of major updates this spring, which will bring customers copy/paste and multi-tasking.  These updates will "catch it up" with its competitors, so to speak.  This is definitely a positive for Microsoft, and should greatly help the platform's image.

A less than positive note, however, is the phantom data problem.  Microsoft claims the problem, in which phones transmit large amounts of data (tens to hundreds of megabytes of data daily -- or more) is limited to a "single digit" percentage of users.  Yet it has failed to act responsibly and warn users, allowing them to remove the offending program.  It has also failed to provide users with sufficient reassurances that they will not be charged with data overages.

Speculation is running wild about what the offending program may be, following Microsoft identifying it as a third party solution.  One report accuses the HTC Hub of being responsible for the phantom menace; others have accused Yahoo! Mail.  Overall, this problem and Microsoft's poor response are dual negative marks for the platform's image.

So with all this mix of good or bad, what is the outlook for the platform?  Well, ultimately Windows Phone 7 has an increasing array of handsets, and its sales aren't that bad, so we expect the platform to survive and slowly gain market share.  Still, how fast it gains market share is largely dependent on how well it delivers on platform updates and whether it chooses to start acting responsibly about its platform's data issues.

Update: Thur. 1/27/2011 2:50 p.m. -

We reached out to our Microsoft press contact for more information concerning some news networks' negative depiction of this sales data and update on the phantom data issue.  While the spokesperson did not provide us with answers to our specific questions, as requested, they did offer us a general statement.  

They emphasized the following metrics:

• Early research indicates 93% of customers worldwide are satisfied with Windows Phone 7, and 90% would recommend to others.
• Developer engagement is excellent with customers getting access to an average of 100 new apps a day and more than 6,500 apps overall on Marketplace.
• Over 2MM licenses sold to OEMs worldwide. 

And they add, "Sales are an important measure of success, but for a new platform customer satisfaction and active developer investment can be even more important leading indicators of long-term success.These early signs of satisfaction from customers and developers are reason to be bullish about the foundation for long-term success for Windows Phone 7."

We will again, try to provide an update as soon as Microsoft offers more specifics on the data usage issues that are afflicting some WP7 users.





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true it lacks exposure
By Da W on 1/27/2011 10:33:22 AM , Rating: 4
Most people i speak too heard of the iPhone, a few know of android phones but almost nobody knows Microsoft made a phone too.
Yet once you use it you like it. It went over 7000 apps this week and the library is growing fast, most of the most popular iPhone or Android apps are already ported. Sure as a geek i would prefer a droid since it has more features. But WP7 is a good product, and a good product should sell eventually... Zune pass is great too!




RE: true it lacks exposure
By StraightCashHomey on 1/27/2011 10:34:59 AM , Rating: 2
What features does Android have over this? (not rhetorical)


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Da W on 1/27/2011 11:10:25 AM , Rating: 2
Thetering, wi-fi hotspot to name those i would like the most. Support for better Socs than power-hungry 65nm Snapdragon. Voice recognition seems to work better, but again may be it's just cause i speak in french...


RE: true it lacks exposure
By CSMR on 1/27/2011 11:15:23 AM , Rating: 5
A lot. The main ones from my point of view.
-Multitasking
-An accessible file system
-Non-marketplace applications
-SIP VOIP
Windows Mobile had all these things, but WP7 lost a lot in the transition. Hopefully it will get them back soon.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Luticus on 1/27/2011 12:46:21 PM , Rating: 4
Multitasking is coming... temporary issue at best.

Accessible file system (this one makes me cry!) ... hopefully a 3rd party will fix this (resco for winmo6.x was epic, hopefully maybe we'll see a new one?)

non marketplace apps - maybe be a moot point in a little while, Microsoft, unlike apple, has been working with... not against the hacking community and has for the most part been extremely friendly toward home brew on 90% of its platforms.

tethering for me is a huge issue! I need free tethering as i refuse to pay for cellular broad band and then pay even more when i decide i actually want to use it.

My biggest problem with win ph 7 is the fact that it doesn't "really" support removable media very well yet. Simply put, if i'm going to go out of my way to buy a $200+ piece of hardware and be stuck with it on a contract for 2+ years then it better have one heck of a good upgrade path so that it can stay somewhat current and "grow with me" so to speak... win ph 7 phones don't so much do this yet.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Targon on 1/27/2011 2:14:33 PM , Rating: 3
Multitasking is something that really is at the heart of an operating system. If an OS is not designed with multitasking in mind, then at best, you get a real long-term mess that is really really difficult to fix, and may be easier to just ignore until a true multitasking OS can be designed.

Now, there is a difference between not giving apps a low enough level of access to properly multitask, but again, that is a fundamental design problem that can't really be fixed. If you have no easy way to switch between running applications, and all a user can do is start a new instance, rather than picking up on what the app was doing, that means it may as well NOT be multitasking, since you can't get back to where you were.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Luticus on 1/27/2011 2:23:30 PM , Rating: 3
The simple fact here is that I don't know where they are with it nor do I know where they were with it on release. Who's to day the os isn't designed with multitasking in mind (just speculating here) and all that was left was building an adequate interface for task switching. Who knows where they left off... My feeling on it is that they got multi-tasking up and going in a patch really quick for no work to have been done on it at all. If there was work done then it was obviously intended to be an implemented feature and therefore the os would have been designed to deal with it from the beginning.

Really what I'm getting at here is that nobody really has any idea at all how it will work (unless some preview has been released that i don't know about). I suggest we wait and see how it comes out before we write it off completely. Microsoft my have a bad reputation with a lot of people but i don't think they are completely stupid. They wouldn't release the feature if it didn't work as intended.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Flunk on 1/27/2011 4:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
Then Windows Phone 7 will not have an issue. It's built on the WinCE kernel, which is great at multi-tasking. The reason Windows Phone doesn't have publicly accessible multitasking is that the user mode bindings aren't yet available.

Your argument about multi-tasking being a core feature doesn't hold any water if you understand the software ecosystem.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By VashHT on 1/28/2011 10:41:47 AM , Rating: 2
Well they do allow multitasking already for first party stuff, IE loads web pages in the background and the zune player can play music in the background. This hasn't been extended to third party but I would think they can at some point since they have certain programs doing it already.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By kmmatney on 1/27/2011 10:28:08 PM , Rating: 1
I have been very happy with the iPhone tethering, after jailbreaking. The tethering App was a one-time $20 charge, but no cost at all after that - its been well worth it.

Funny how everyone seems to say that "geeks" need to get Android phones. There are plenty of geeks with jailbroken iPhones, where you can get tethering, an accessible file systems, ability to run non-store apps, UI customizations, etc...


RE: true it lacks exposure
By piroroadkill on 1/28/2011 7:53:45 AM , Rating: 3
Android's sideloading capability is a single tickbox in the options. It will also not disappear with new firmware updates, unlike iPhone jailbreaks.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Mitch101 on 1/27/2011 12:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft will have them soon enough. The Verizon launch it should have all the bells and whistles people think are important but will probably never need to use them. Like cut and paste its on my blackberry but I never used it. If you used a Mobile 7 device the way things work you might agree cut and paste not needed but I think the majority of people who never used the device think you do.

First off all 3 phones are great. All 3 have limitations and highlights just know what your buying. I can ramble on about Droid killing battery with background multitasking or how the iPhone really doesn't have true multitasking. After Microsofts next software update its pretty much a level playing field as far as function each does things a little different from one another.

I love Microsofts interface. I love knowing how many e-mails came in since I last checked not how many unread its more intuitive. Some think its ugly I happen to love it understanding its based on road signs that provide useful information at a glance.

X-Box Live integration if you own an X-Box this is a nice perk not available on any other device.

Full Microsoft office ability. I cant live without this. Nobody does Microsoft Office better than Microsoft.

Microsoft exchange integration. Apple has to use Microsoft Active sync or Good technology. Good is ok good for security but otherwise the gui is lame. Active sync Apple will never get full active sync functionality like Mobile 7. Forget Droid here its a bad idea.

Sharepoint integration. I like having something more than just read functionality on my device.

Silverlight (If you tried it you like it) its not popular but on sites that use it effectively it pops.

Flexible Hardware Options the iPhone hardware is great but doesn't work for everyone.

Flash a lot of people want it I could live without it. No Flash for you Apple.

I think Microsoft internet browser is by far better than droid and just edges out iPhone. Every droid I used seems choppy. Could be manufacturers lame holding back os releases too.

Soon enough the Microsoft Mobile 7 device will have everything all the other smartphones have after all its just software and Microsoft is a software company. After that Microsoft will leverage its base of Gaming and Business apps that the others dont have any market penetration on.

I think droid was a great idea but its becoming fragmented like linux gets too many options and too few standards.

Apple is a great product no doubt but Steves closed mind of controlling everything keeps him out of giving consumers the full experience.

I will mention Blackberry I'm thinking they are a lost cause and continue to keep throwing stuff at the wall hoping something sticks. They've been reliable and security top notch but falling behind in user interface. Storm is lousy because a lot of BB apps wont work on it they have to be rewritten.

I believe Microsoft has the long term winner.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Luticus on 1/27/11, Rating: 0
RE: true it lacks exposure
By nolisi on 1/27/2011 4:45:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
lack certain obvious things that should be there.


All the platforms lack certain obvious things....

Apple lacks storage expandibility. Also lacks a physical keyboard. Lacks software kin to swype to make the virtual keyboard easy to deal with.Flash isn't there. Is stuck on CDMA/3G.

Microsoft lacks all of the abov + multitasking/copy paste.

Android lacks... well, I'm not sure. Android has all of the above. Android has a media store, can deal with Office docs and exchange integration, but could do all three a little better. The biggest issue with Android is that it doesn't have a solid centralized management platform like MS (exchange/comm server) or Apple, which most consumers don't really need.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By bodar on 1/27/2011 6:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that Android is still lacking in certain areas, which can tarnish an otherwise great experience, but I think you could pick a better target than "can't change the number of home screens".

- Pretty 3rd party launchers like Launcher Pro, Zeam and ADW can set the number of home screens.

- Nothing says that you have to ever leave the main home screen if you don't want to use the others. You never have to leave the main screen. It's not really hurting anything by having empty home screens with no icons or widgets, so I'm having trouble imagining why you'd care. It would be nice if we could customize that, yeah, but it's hardly a big deal.

Personally, even if I cut out my widgets, I would be hard pressed to fit everything on a single 4x4 home screen, despite using Smart Shortcuts for icon folders. I don't like opening my app drawer unless it's a rarely used app.

Now if you want to talk about things like carriers interfering with device updates and disabling features or the sad state of the Market, that's a different story. I still love my EVO despite its shortcomings though.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Da W on 1/27/2011 1:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
Silverlight and flash are not implemented yet.

Explorer is slow as hell but is GPU accelerated so the image looks nice and is not choppy.

It HAS some form of multitasking with the home and back button.

Office is not usable enough on such a small screen. Onenote is ok with vocal notes. But i wonder how much time my phone would take to crunch my large database that my desktop takes 2 minutes to calculate.

You can swap your flash card, but WP7 configures it to act as internal memory. I don't mind it. I don't want to swap flash cards on my phone all the time, i want to sync it over wi-fi. And next year once 32GB microSD card are cheap enough, i'll just remove my 16GB one and reformat the phone.

I think down the road WP7 has a better shot at the business community than Apple or Droids. The iPhone is seen as a toy, imagine a boss paying a toy for their employees. Android looks too complex for the average baby-boomer.

Blackberry is cheap though and does just what a boss needs: getting e-mails. I don't think they will die.

Yet Microsoft has to do better with their upgrades.
-Copy and paste: coming
-Multitasking 3rd party apps: coming
-Tethering: coming
-CDMA: coming
-Silverlight: coming
-Flash:coming
-Explorer 9:coming
-Encrypted e-mails: coming
-Improved bing map with turn by turn direction: coming
and it goes on and on... I'd also like a 3rd home screen where you can configure your long list of apps in folders, like the windows start menu.

Concluding thought: HTC surround with a zune pass and bluetooth audio is the best music player, period!


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Mitch101 on 1/27/2011 2:03:26 PM , Rating: 2
Should have specified Im waiting for Verizon and by then it will be in there.

I think the memory card for a windows phone 7 is brilliant. You make one device and decide how much memory it should have and while there is a drawback if you want more memory down the road it makes much more sense than to make multiple devices with varying memory and if you want to upgrade to more memory you have to sell your current device and buy a new one.

Office is pretty good I would have liked more out of one note. It will shine when Microsoft comes out with their pad.

WP7 is the blackberry and corporate device the iPhone wants to be and Blackberry requires a number of servers/licenses/Support agreement. Version 5 even more than the previous. Cut a lot of cost by going Mobile 7.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By radium69 on 1/27/2011 3:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
Multitasking, jeez.
My sony ericsson w810i from 6 years ago still has it.
Even my C905 has it. Although it's not a smartphone and has all those gimmicks.

Let them get a physical keyboard and dpad aswell. The galaxy S is already starting to bore me. Touchscreen this touchscreen that. Iam not hating on all those phones, but the user friendliness sucks anyhow. I use a phone for calling and texting. And most new phones have been lacking these main purposes.

For example, all it takes to call a person is 2 physical presses on the green horn button.
They should make a 5 button dpad, left right up down, and center button. Browsing through contact list with finger touching is , 1. Annoying. 2. Takes more time.

I really like some of the features that my phone has.
Press down on dpad to open contact list, press left to open games, press up for menu, you get the point.

They can build a much better user experience, but everything is going towards big screen and touch capability, apps etc.

I really hate the mentality of todays phones. Im on a contract and going to replace my phone in may, but there are no normal phones anymore. Only the crappy ones.

And don't get me started on battery life, simply rediculous. Even with the brightness down it sucks it all up in just a few hours.

While my sony ericsson easily lasts three days.
Get your sh*t straight, please...

Sorry for my terrible grammar, I'm not english.
I just wish some people woke up and skip the hype.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By bodar on 1/27/2011 7:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
Battery issues aside, on what planet is using a d-pad faster for browsing contacts that using a touchscreen to swipe with your finger? Or better yet, type the first few letters of the name? Maybe the problem is the Samsung Contacts app...


RE: true it lacks exposure
By Disorganise on 1/30/2011 9:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
On planet 'public transport' where random bumps and jolts cause no end of 'oops' calls. Physical clicky buttons are much more accurate in those circumstances.


RE: true it lacks exposure
By bodar on 1/31/2011 7:18:16 PM , Rating: 2
Fair enough. I don't take the bus much anymore, but I never had problems, personally (the 4.3" screen helps). I still think that touch screens are superior in more situations and that I prefer them to d-pads. Clearly I'm not alone, considering the current design trends.


the article i read mentioned win7 phone licenses
By RamarC on 1/27/2011 10:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
not actual hardware sales. so i expect some of that 2M figure to be on the shelf or in manufacturing inventory and not in people's pockets.




By Shadowself on 1/27/2011 1:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. These are sales of *licenses* to OEMs. These are not physical items at all. They are not sitting on the shelf. These are *anticipated* sales of hardware by those OEMs because they would not have bought the licenses if they did not think they'd eventually make the sale of the hardware into which it will be installed. They may be buying licenses 10 days in advance of anticipated hardware sales or they may be buying licenses six months in advance of hardware sales. These are NOT sales of units to end users.


RE: the article i read mentioned win7 phone licenses
By Taft12 on 1/27/2011 2:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Exactly. These are sales of *licenses* to OEMs. These are NOT sales of units to end users.


Moreover, there is not a whisper about ACTUAL end-user sales. There's a reason for this. The news is not "mixed", it's "catastrophic".


By semiconshawn on 1/27/2011 6:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
Please post your source for these catastrophic sales figures. Hard data please.


By Taft12 on 1/28/2011 10:37:58 AM , Rating: 2
Refusal to provide hard data (while trumpeting a number that means nothing) speaks volumes.

Then there's this hilarity from Mick's update:

quote:
Sales are an important measure of success, but for a new platform customer satisfaction and active developer investment can be even more important leading indicators of long-term success


"Come on guys, sales numbers aren't THAT important. Really! Guys? Hello...?"


By robinthakur on 1/28/2011 6:33:28 AM , Rating: 3
I'm surprised that the original article didn't pick up on this to be honest. How many people do you know that has actually bought and kept a Windows phone? This shoudl tell you all you need to know about how well it's doing. Whilst things might be different in the US, in the UK, I saw one for the first time on the tube the other day, and it's been out since December. I'm into phone technology so I would notice them around, but the only place i've seen them are in adverts, whereas by contrast 99% of people seem to have an iPhone.

I honestly think that most people seem to still associate them with the old Samsung Omnia's and HTC HD's i.e. an compromised experience which paled compared to everything since the iPhone in 2007. This assumes that they even know Microsoft makes phones still, which most people don't. By contrast, everybody and their dog knows what Kinect is, so I would say that it is a failure to market properly given MS's stated claims about its popularity with users (presumably outside of Redmond...)

I think it trades too heavily on its OS appearance being different, when that isn't really a killer feature anymore (it's been done). Most people don't like such radical change in the way they use a device. Faced with something not intuitive a great majority of people just give up on it...unfortunately.


By MozeeToby on 1/27/2011 6:02:58 PM , Rating: 1
Not to pour gas on the fire, but you probably shouldn't forget the fact that every MS employee was given a free Windows 7 phone. That's 87,000 right there, or almost 5% of the licenses that MS has sold to date. If you figure that only half those licenses have been used you might be looking at close to 10% of the Windows 7 phones in the wild being gifted by MS to their employees.

Maybe there is room for some optimism but to me the picture is... bleak.


By semiconshawn on 1/27/2011 6:53:17 PM , Rating: 2
once again pure speculative bull caca. First off you dont know that the 87k internal even counts as licenses sold. Second you have no idea how many licenses have been used total. So now you have flawed data and a flawed equation and yet you still come up with an answer you put faith in and want to share with others?


By robinthakur on 1/28/2011 6:44:10 AM , Rating: 2
I would say that it is you who are being a bit of a fan boy here. Whilst this data is not available (you are correct) Those with enough experience can sniff out the PR spin in MS's statement, masquerading as transparency. While none of it is a bare faced lie, it gilds the truth beautifully. The truth is that they have shipped x number of handset licenses, but have released no real sales figures. If sales were good, what practical utility would this serve? If you *sold* a huge number of handsets, tell everybody and build the brand, give confidence to developers etc. This is MS buying themselves time to try and rescue the situation before it becomes yet another failed consumer platform.

Unfortunately the fear of buying into a possibly failing unproven platform combined with a weak economy is likey to scare off a large number of potential purchasers and make hem choose a safe option, and I've seen no evidence that business is buying into the platform as they should, because they perceive it as being far too consumer focused.

The only legitimate reason I can think of is that they are waiting for complete sales data to come back from retailers, but come on...it's been two months now!

If you want to support MS, just buy a Windows 7 handset...! They need your money, not your vocal forum support lol


data issues
By Luticus on 1/27/2011 10:45:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
and whether it chooses to start acting responsibly about its platform's data issues.

From what i read, Microsoft admitted there was an issue upfront and stated that they were working on tracking it down and fixing it...???

So my question is this: How are they acting "irresponsibly"?

In my opinion it would be much more irresponsible to hand out the incorrect information than to simply say "we're still in the process of tracking down the issue and will release more information as it becomes available". Perhaps the application that is causing the problem has not been confirmed with certainty and Microsoft doesn't want to piss off it's 3rd party dev by accusing them publicly? Not real sure on this but i think it's a bit rash to say they are being down right irresponsible, sure there's things they could probably be doing better but I'd say they've handled it significantly better than apple "antenna scandal"... just sayin'.




RE: data issues
By inighthawki on 1/27/2011 11:19:03 AM , Rating: 2
Very true, MS did not in any way try to hide or deny the fact that the problem existed and almost immediately mentioned they were trying to find the issue. Not to mention, the issue is not an issue with the phone of the OS itself, it is a 3rd party application, so why on Earth would MS have to take responsibility for someone else's problems?


RE: data issues
By StraightCashHomey on 1/27/2011 12:27:16 PM , Rating: 2
They don't have to take responsibility for it, but it is their problem also. Anything that casts a negative light over a product of theirs becomes a problem of theirs.

That being said, it's not like they are trying to hide the fact that it's happening.


RE: data issues
By Luticus on 1/27/2011 12:56:12 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying it's not their problem, and my issue here isn't whether or not they should take responsibility. My argument is that I feel they *have* taken adequate responsibility for what's going on and that the article says otherwise is misleading. Many other articles I've read on Engadget, and even this very site, state that Microsoft is working to fix the issue and clearly have admitted their's a problem. They also said the problem is 3rd party but they were still investigating alternative causes (to be sure?.. who knows...). My point is that I feel Microsoft has taken every appropriate action here. Sure, you can say it's a problem... but to say their not being responsible about it is just ridiculous. What do you want them to do? Peoples expectations i think are a bit high here.


RE: data issues
By inighthawki on 1/27/2011 5:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
You're right in that it is also their problem, because it affects them, but people are blindly blaming Microsoft for the problem as opposed to realizing that Microsoft was not, in fact, the cause of the problem. I just don't think it's right to blame Microsoft when it's not their fault. Unlike blaming Apple for an antennae problem, which was clearly a design flaw, this was not a fault of Microsoft, yet they are being blamed by many people for already having significant flaws in their OS, when they should really know the whole story.


Updates?
By bug77 on 1/27/2011 10:26:12 AM , Rating: 1
Will they push the updates themselves or will the users have to rely on the carriers to do it?

Depending on the answer, M$ has a big win or a fail on their hands.




RE: Updates?
By Digobick on 1/27/2011 10:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
For large updates, Microsoft will push the update themselves (using the Zune software). Smaller updates can be delivered over the air through the carrier.

However, Microsoft won't publish any updates until the carrier has finished their testing. Carriers also have the ability to block an update for a limited time (until the next update is delivered).


RE: Updates?
By bug77 on 1/28/2011 6:48:48 AM , Rating: 2
Is copy/paste and multitasking a small or a large update then? You see where I'm going. They said: get the phone, additional goodies will come. But if carriers get to hold those goodies back, we're talking major backlash. But if M$ pushes those themselves, that's going to leave Android in a very uncomfortable position.


Verizon and Sprint Availability
By Digobick on 1/27/2011 10:44:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The bad news is that the Verizon and Sprint launches have been delayed, with no concrete launch dates yet.

What delay? Microsoft has always said that WP7 would be available on Verizon and Sprint "in the first half of 2011", which means no later than June 30th. This has been known since September: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20016752-56.html




RE: Verizon and Sprint Availability
By Taft12 on 1/27/2011 2:15:23 PM , Rating: 1
Trusting MS release dates is a fool's game.


By kmmatney on 1/27/2011 10:21:16 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming the date holds, it is still behind the iPhone release on Verizon, which doesn't make things any easier.


Sprint?
By UsernameX on 1/27/2011 6:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Any promising rumors about Win 7 coming to sprint. I went to the windows store in colorado and the rep said he had information but couldn't tell me anything but 'soon'. I have a feeling he was yankin my chain, but maybe someone can confirm?

Thanks!




By vision33r on 1/27/2011 7:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
Data was taken in the 2nd week of 2011 a popular web research showed that only 40,000+ hits were made by Windows Phone 7 while Android was only a 1/3 of iOS devices.




Less is more...
By bernardl on 1/28/2011 10:51:44 PM , Rating: 2
The truth of the matter, is that 7000 apps out of which many are ports of apps proven successful on other mobile platforms might be better than 350.000 apps on App store...

There are just way too many apps out there and most people don't bother searching. The few apps that emerge will very quickly be available on all 3 platforms.

Smart phones are back to being a commodity.

Cheers,
Bernard




Kin flop 2.0
By lawrance on 2/2/2011 9:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
I see iPhones everywhere. I've seen a few android phones here and there. I thought I saw my first windows 7 phone last week. When I asked about it, it turned out to be a Kin. Again, a first.

I have to agree others on here "Over 2MM licenses sold to OEMs worldwide." = Sales to end users SUCK. M$ will dare not kill 7 like they did the Kin after 2 short months but I'm anxious to see how their OS levels out. And for those of you who think 7,000 apps is fine, you must be fooling yourself!




Microsoft sells the OS
By Targon on 1/27/2011 2:16:41 PM , Rating: 1
If Microsoft shipped/sold 2 million coppies to manufacturers, that does not mean that 2 million phones were sold, and many may be sitting in warehouses. At this point, if you don't see many phones out there with the new OS, that means it does not have a significant marketshare, no matter what sales/marketing people may like to think.




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