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Microsoft drops another bombshell at MIX10

Two steps forward, one step back. That seems to be an emerging trend for Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 7 Series platform. The snazzy user interface, support for the XNA Framework/Silverlight/Adobe Flash 10.1, Windows Phone Marketplace, and plentiful device manufacturers to choose from are certainly pleasing to potential buyers. However, we're starting to learn a little bit more about the platform at MIX10 and it isn't all rosy.

Yesterday, we learned that Windows Phone 7 Series will not support true multitasking. Instead, the mobile operating system will support a push notification called Microsoft Notification Service (MNS). The MNS works almost exactly like the push notification system currently enabled on Apple's iPhone.

"How do you trade-off battery life at the same time? As soon as you allow arbitrary apps to do things in the background, it can run out the battery pretty quickly," said Microsoft's Scott Guthrie at a MIX10 roundtable according to Gizmodo.

Interestingly enough, Windows Mobile 6.x supports multitasking so it's a notable backwards move for the platform.

In another blow to power users -- and another feature that is present on current Windows Mobile smartphones -- is the news that copy and paste won't be supported initially at launch according to Engadget. Apple was lambasted for the lack of copy and paste on the iPhone and it wasn't until iPhone OS 3.0 that the feature was added to the smartphone. It's almost inconceivable that Microsoft would choose to show up late to the party (Q4 2010) without some semblance of copy and paste for its flagship mobile OS.

Microsoft hasn't ruled out that copy and paste may appear in later iterations of Windows Phone 7 Series operating system, but don't hold your breath expecting to see it in time for the Holiday '10 season.

Updated 3/17/2010 @ 6:32am EST
Engadget has confirmed that there is no copy and paste included in Windows Phone 7 Series:

We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality. We... respectfully disagree.

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What the hell is this?!
By themaster08 on 3/16/2010 8:08:24 PM , Rating: 5
No multitasking.

No copy and paste.

No thanks!

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/2010 8:27:12 PM , Rating: 2
Umm that's the same as the iPhone when it first launched.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/16/2010 8:29:37 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, but that was 2007.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/2010 8:34:35 PM , Rating: 4
So in 2007 copy 'n paste was a huge groundbreaking feature ???

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/16/2010 8:40:56 PM , Rating: 5
This is 2010. Android OS, webOS, and iPhone OS have copy & paste. The first two have multitasking and the latter is reported to get it in iPhone OS 4.0.

For MS to come to the market without either C&P or multitasking in 2010 given the competition is rather... lame.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/16/2010 8:51:14 PM , Rating: 5
What double standard? WE ALL b!tched about the lack of C&P on the iPhone for two years. The b!tching about the lack of true multitasking has been almost as fierce.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/16/2010 9:05:11 PM , Rating: 3
Lmao yeah right. It was the greatest thing since Jesus Christ floating down on a slice of bread holding a plate of waffles.


That being said, I'm not exactly sure I understand your position here. Are you saying that copy and paste and multitasking shouldn't matter for Microsoft now because it was overlooked by the masses when the iPhone was released in 2007?

If yes, what do you say to copy and paste/multitasking on webOS/Android/iPhone (rumored upcoming multitasking)?

RE: What the hell is this?!
By crystal clear on 3/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: What the hell is this?!
By whiskerwill on 3/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: What the hell is this?!
By inighthawki on 3/16/2010 10:03:43 PM , Rating: 1
In a way I agree. Personally I don't understand the huge issue, but maybe it's because I don't use my phone religiously like some people do and expect it to function as the only thing I use throughout the entire day. With that in mind though, can someone please explain to be the big deal? I can't even think of one real instance on a phone where I would need this...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not by any means saying that it was the right idea to not include it or anything like that, I too find it incredibly stupid of Microsoft to ship a product this late without such a feature, but I still don't really understand the uproar...

RE: What the hell is this?!
By rudy on 3/17/2010 8:49:39 AM , Rating: 5
You see a phone number on a web page, chat, facebook, you copy it and paste it to call it anyone can find that useful. It is the most basic function of a computer that makes a computer better than a piece of paper. Not having it is rediculous and will in fact lose them at least me as a customer not only for the fact they missed it but for their inability to know what their customers want.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By michael2k on 3/17/2010 10:44:13 PM , Rating: 2
On an iPhone you just tap the number to call it. I suspect the WPSS devices will be similar.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Mitch101 on 3/17/2010 11:08:57 AM , Rating: 3
I'm wondering why everyone is such an uproar over a product that hasn't been released yet.

Copy and Paste can still be added before it ships.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By jconan on 3/16/2010 10:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
even on a non-smartphone like the SE W980, I use copy and paste very often from copying phone numbers in text message, to web address links to the browser as it reduces the number of steps to type. so copy and paste is definitely needed. microsoft would be very short sighted not to see this feature included as it is smartphone and it does support e-mail. no copy and paste for office on a windows phone 7, business users will scoff microsoft at this lacking feature and go with the ipad or iphone until resolved.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/16/2010 10:19:19 PM , Rating: 5
Uhh, I copy and paste phone numbers, email addresses, tracking numbers from emails, passages from articles, pictures, etc. Pretty much anything I'd do on my laptop.

It's not that hard to imagine, really.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By inighthawki on 3/16/2010 10:52:11 PM , Rating: 1
I suppose we have quite different uses for phones then. Sure I don't have a smart phone but if I did I don't think I'd be doing any of that stuff...

RE: What the hell is this?!
By semiconshawn on 3/17/2010 1:03:24 AM , Rating: 4
Sure I don't have a smart phone but if I did I don't think I'd be doing any of that stuff...

That stuff being emailing, txting, calling, surfing, and basically using the smart phone? What exactly would you do with it?

Absolutely dumb of MS to release a phone OS with out cut and paste. Even if nobody used it the bad press apple got would be enough to make me include it just so I could check that feature box.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Mk4ever on 3/17/2010 2:12:15 AM , Rating: 3
What exactly would you do with it?

Hint: smart phone, not phone

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Samus on 3/17/2010 5:16:44 AM , Rating: 2
Dudes, I agree with Brandon. If I couldn't copy and paste on my Blackberry I'd throw the fucking thing in the trash and just get some piece of shit Motorola. Because basically, thats one of the only reasons I have a smartphone.

Without C&P, my fancy address book, text messaging capabilities, email, and to some extend, calender, are crippled severely.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By grenableu on 3/17/2010 6:30:32 AM , Rating: 2
I use c&p, but I wouldn't exactly call it a drop dead feature. Useability and speed are the most important things.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/17/2010 6:38:39 AM , Rating: 2
The addition of copy and paste has made my iPhone indispensable. I used to have to run back to my laptop to do basic stuff like copy a portion of text to include in an email. Now I can pretty much do anything from my iPhone that I can do on my laptop (within reason). That is a big plus when you need to make quick edits on the go or simply "function as a laptop" in a pinch despite the limited screen real estate.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 9:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
The addition of copy and paste has made my iPhone indispensable

But you still bought the iPhone before it was added, didn't you ?!? Don't lie !

See, that's my only point. I'm not saying it's cool the MS phone doesn't have it, but don't pretend that it's a dealbreaker. Because obviously it wasn't for you and millions of others.

That's why I called double standard.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/17/2010 9:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't buy an iPhone until the 3GS came out.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Brandon Hill on 3/17/2010 9:56:31 AM , Rating: 2
Let me add, before the iPhone, I had an iPod touch.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Akrovah on 3/17/2010 11:31:09 AM , Rating: 1
Thats not a double standard, thats called bitching about something you can't change but living with it anyway, as those who purchase a WinPho7 product knowing this info in advance will have do.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By thurston on 3/18/2010 8:42:46 PM , Rating: 1
What's it like being such a dick? Even you have to realize you're a dick. Don't lie.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By themaster08 on 3/17/2010 6:43:44 AM , Rating: 2
Basic functionality is much more important than speed. At least for me anyway.

For me personally, multitasking and copy and paste are some of the most fundamental features of a smartphone, that I have become very much accustomed to for the past 8 years of smartphone usage.

Without said features, such a phone is pretty much useless to me.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By PrezWeezy on 3/17/2010 4:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
It depends heavily on how the OS integrates things. For instance, I get a text message with an address to a house in it. How do I map that? Currently, I try to remember it, open google maps as quickly as possible and then type it in (because apparently Google is too damn stupid to add the "paste" function even though my Mogul supports it). If I could copy/paste it would be simple. I see a phone number on a web page (as mentioned by someone else) I want to call them. Now I have to do the same thing and memorize it to make the call. If the OS had some way of just giving me an option to map the address when it recognizes an address, or calling the number when I highlight it, I don't need copy/paste. As long as it's not doing those things it's a real pain.

I've always disliked the iPhone and I use WinMo now. I was super excited for the WinPhone 7 to come out, but it's looking more and more like a pointless device that MS should stop wasting money with right now. No SD cards, no copy/paste, no multitasking, capacitive screen, no app installation, the list keeps getting bigger. It's a damn iPhone by Microsoft! If I wanted an iPhone I'd get an iPhone, I don't have one because I want something different. So now I'm looking into Android and I'm not terribly impressed with it because it's trying to be an iPhone too. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

RE: What the hell is this?!
By redbone75 on 3/18/2010 8:51:47 AM , Rating: 2
Not only that, MS' OWN current OS has all those features and has had those features for some time. How do go backwards from your own existing product? You don't take away something that your existing customer base has simply come to expect as part of the package.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By brshoemak on 3/16/2010 9:36:25 PM , Rating: 2
Lmao yeah right. It was the greatest thing since Jesus Christ floating down on a slice of bread holding a plate of waffles.

^You must have been smoking something pretty amazing to see all that. Of course that would explain the 2 year memory lapse when EVERYONE was complaining about the iPhone missing basic features like copy and paste and multitasking.

I guess we'll have another round of that with Microsoft now.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Reclaimer77 on 3/17/2010 7:41:03 AM , Rating: 2
People were lining up across the street to buy the iPhone when it first came out. Apple fans and the national media were practically orgasiming from it's arrival. So to say "everyone was complaining" is just a lie.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Akrovah on 3/17/2010 11:26:36 AM , Rating: 3
Yes, the masses bought into it, but the tech savvy, like most of those here, bitched about it. And now they are bitching about the lack of these features in WinPho7 as well. I see no double standard being displayed here.

The only ones I saw exposing your view of things were the Apple fanbois.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By crystal clear on 3/16/2010 9:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well least you are honest & frank about it.

Hats of to you for some fair & ethical commenting .

Show that in your articles too.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By biggsjm on 3/16/2010 8:50:04 PM , Rating: 3
People need to realize that there is a shift in the computing world. Microsoft and Apple are seeing the benefit to an OS that is obfuscated from the user. One where 3rd Party apps run in their own protected memory sandbox and cannot interact with the OS outside of a few public APIs. Because these systems are being built from the ground up, they have slowly implemented features which may disrupt this architecture, making sure that the concepts and procedures are fully baked before implementing them. Personally, I find this refreshing and am glad to see Microsoft seeing the value in what Apple has done.

This is 1984 all over again. Apple released a revolutionary OS. Several competitors in the market exist, some had "better" products, in that users found the competition had better features and capabilities, but Apple had the better long-term OS strategy and UI concepts. Microsoft, shrewd as it was back then, has followed the industry leader and replicated their OS strategy (albeit this time with a unique UI that is their own creation). Amazing!

RE: What the hell is this?!
By rudy on 3/17/2010 8:50:27 AM , Rating: 2

RE: What the hell is this?!
By Alexvrb on 3/17/2010 12:07:05 AM , Rating: 2
Nice dodge! It wasn't new before iPhone 3.0, competing products had it well before iPhone got it - but it was OK then. But now its not OK for the same exact reasons?? Heck, iPhone lacked the most basic features for ages.
Braaaainns... brraaaaainnns... <--- iZombies

Seriously though, I *do* think its stupid they aren't able to get it in the initial release. But I guess they feel they need to get these phones on the market ASAP while they're "on fire". So for their sake they'd better not take as long as Apple to implement these features (*cough* TWO YEARS *cough*).

RE: What the hell is this?!
By rudy on 3/17/2010 8:51:27 AM , Rating: 2
honestly how hard is copy and paste limit it to text only, it has nothing to do with release.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By rs1 on 3/16/2010 8:49:44 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly, it's almost as if someone told the engineers "forget being original and innovative, just copy the damn iPhone!".

RE: What the hell is this?!
By piroroadkill on 3/17/2010 5:13:33 AM , Rating: 2
... Which was equally worthless

RE: What the hell is this?!
By themaster08 on 3/17/2010 6:36:23 AM , Rating: 2
Yes it is the same. I wasn't interested in the iPhone either.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By clovell on 3/17/2010 10:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
Right - and the iPhone still doesn't have true multi-tasking capabilities.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By crystal clear on 3/16/2010 9:04:01 PM , Rating: 3
...and yet Ballmer believes

"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

Well in fact a copy & paste with a minor edit/delete function he gets this-

"There's no chance that the Windows mobile 7 is going to get any significant market share. No chance." -- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

RE: What the hell is this?!
By ajhodge on 3/16/2010 10:39:59 PM , Rating: 5
And if you're going to quote someone why not include the full quote:

'There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. '

And he was right! That's why they dropped the price of the iPhone by $200 after only two months on the market. Biggest, fastest price drop I've ever seen. Most overpriced items would gain greater sales after a large price reduction.

It worked for the PS3 as well.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By crystal clear on 3/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: What the hell is this?!
By thurston on 3/18/2010 8:51:18 PM , Rating: 2
And if you're going to quote someone why not include the full quote:

Because he just copy did a copy and paste from the bottom of one of Dailytech's pages.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By badgood on 3/21/2010 9:51:40 AM , Rating: 2
No. He didn't include full quote because he typed the quote from scratch by using Winmo 7 and forgot the full quote.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By jvillaro on 3/16/2010 11:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
Dear God, I hope they hire Apple's advertising people also, so they can sell those phones.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By TheRequiem on 3/17/2010 12:30:36 AM , Rating: 2
All I see here is pre-determined rhetoric. None of this is for sure yet, let alone final. I don't understand the HUGE problem with this issue at this early point in time. A lot can changed in the next half a year... especially simple implementations like copy & paste, you don't think Microsoft won't seriously integrate that into windows phone seven? They have been very good at keeping on market trends if you haven't noticed, look at the Xbox 360 and how much that has changed and is and still continues to incorporate new technology. Hell, they one-upped the Wii for crying out loud. They also BUILT WM7 with that same idea in mind so CHILL OUT!

Not only will they pretty much for sure incorporate copy & paste and multitasking in WM7, they most likely will have even much more as the OS adapts to new trends. We've seen that with Windows 7. Have a little faith people...

RE: What the hell is this?!
By superPC on 3/17/2010 8:02:27 AM , Rating: 3
let's approach this from a rational perspective shall we? no copy paste is bad. everyone using a smartphone right now used copy and paste all the time for a lot of things besides contacts and address. but it seems that what win mo 7 is focusing right now is battery life. when they say performance, what i always hear is battery life. with 3 background application running (blackberry messenger, an IM software, and a news ticker) my blackberry bold runs out of battery in 15 hour (i used it for about 1 hour call per day). i've tried running the same blackberry bold without any background apps running and it runs for 2 days (with normal call usage). with symbian (that i used to own) it's even worse. with IM, news ticker in the background it runs out of battery in 20 hour while without multitasking it lasted 4 days (the same amount of call usage)! clipboard is a background app and it also drains battery. i still think that people should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to use copy paste and multitasking. but i can certainly understand why MS disable multitask and copy paste to get a better battery life.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By jimbojimbo on 3/17/2010 1:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
Have you seen the Android's answer to this? They have a section you can open that lists all the running processes and how much battery drain they currently are and historically have been using. It's fantastic! You can go here and decide for yourself what processes you want running or not and it's crystal clear what apps are the most draining.

This should be a requirement on all smartphones.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By clovell on 3/17/2010 10:32:47 AM , Rating: 3
> No multitasking. No copy and paste. No thanks!

The ONLY thing I was worried about when I got my Palm Pre back in November was that an awesome Zune Phone would come out before my contract was up. Now I see I've got nothing to worry about.

I love most of Microsoft's products, but this launch & product line is going to be completely underwhelming. I'm already disappointed.

RE: What the hell is this?!
By SavagePotato on 3/17/2010 2:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft needs to wise up on all their hardware fronts in my opinion.

I went with a PS3 over the 360 and have been very happy with that purchase from day one. I thought I would give the 360 a try one day when they hardware revised it to the point where it was cooler and more reliable, but I still have no compulsion to go out and get one.

Likewise I was disappointed with the Zune HD situation. I was actually looking forward to the HD but at the last minute found out it was US only and that crushed all hope and interest in it for me.

They can't keep pulling this cavalier we're Microsoft so we can do what we please attitude like they did with the abysmally rushed and faulty 360 lauch. Problem is they got away with it on the 360 and it seems to have emboldened them.

I love Windows 7, but when I see Microsoft's hardware efforts for me it's nothing but one disappointment after another.

I would have to say I am rooting for Android at this point.

Lawsuits coming
By carniver on 3/16/2010 9:01:13 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft, you sure love to copy Apple on every aspect, even the bad ones. So prepare to be sued for infringing on an Apple patent regarding "a mobile device OS with restrictions on how data can be replicated"

RE: Lawsuits coming
By cheetah2k on 3/16/2010 9:29:12 PM , Rating: 3
"Cut n paste" has been around on Windows Mobile since before the iphone was created. Therefore Apple have no grounds to sue Microsoft, however they could possibly challenge other OS's like Android.

RE: Lawsuits coming
By jimbojimbo on 3/17/2010 1:40:04 PM , Rating: 3
Someone should sue you for not being able to recognize sarcasm. Then someone should sue the idiot that bumped up his rating.

Deal maker
By hiscross on 3/16/2010 8:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
Now if they would include those 150,000 exploits like their desktop/servers have and throw in the right mouse click and of course a DOS prompt, then I'm getting me one.

RE: Deal maker
By damianrobertjones on 3/17/2010 9:00:38 AM , Rating: 2
Umm, we have 14 servers in this building and over the 9 years, so far, no problems. I honestly believe that MS's server platform is very, very good

RE: Deal maker
By hiscross on 3/17/2010 3:04:53 PM , Rating: 2
In January 2003 I was while working a US government agency that had over 100 servers and routers infected by the SQL Slammer Worm. It was caused by SQL 7.

RE: Deal maker
By Alexstarfire on 3/17/2010 6:04:00 PM , Rating: 2
Just because you say you worked for the US government doesn't mean crap. You could be working at the DoD, which I doubt, or CDC. My parents happen to work at CDC and I can say for certain that their computers simply aren't properly maintained and most are over 5 years old, some even more than that. Wouldn't be much of an issue if they were properly maintained.

Anyway, my point is that I'm sure the DoD servers and computers are maintained far better than the ones at CDC despite both of them being US government agencies.

How can you say MS is "late to the party"?
By troysavary on 3/17/2010 12:24:35 AM , Rating: 2
Windows Mobile has been around for years. And before that, Windows CE on handheld computers.

RE: How can you say MS is "late to the party"?
By Brandon Hill on 3/17/2010 6:01:58 AM , Rating: 2
Late to the modern touch driven smartphone OS market. Microsoft is making a clear break from the past with WP7S -- think PalmOS to webOS.

By redbone75 on 3/18/2010 10:11:37 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone notice that even if you abbreviate Windows Phone 7 Series to WP7S it still takes seven syllables to say? PalmOS, WebOS, Android, Symbian, all take only 3 or 4. This shows what a poor decision it was to leave out copy/paste because Windows Phone 7 Series takes too damned long to type!

an interesting development
By Fisher88 on 3/16/2010 8:50:01 PM , Rating: 3
it seems MS is having to do some of the same soul-searching in the name of the security and reliability of its device. copy and paste, a ubiquitous feature in desktop operating systems and apps, has some tricky security underpinnings it must be careful of for the device's operating system and installed apps to retain their integrity.

Apple had the same issues and apparently worked them out with copy and paste and same with multi-tasking.

I'm sure the MS device "can do" both, but just like Apple's device "can do" both. its just, finding a way to allow the device to do copy and paste and or multi-task without compromising its integrity is not a trivial programming problem to solve.

I'm sure MS must be getting as tired of people hacking its OS as those of us who have been hacked using their OS and, honestly, glad to hear MS is also doing something about it.

hopefully one less worry off its customer's plates, even if its initially viewed as a demerit.

RE: an interesting development
By 3minence on 3/17/2010 8:49:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, MS needs to focus on security and reliability first. If it doesn't work then I don't care how many features it has, it's useless junk. However, you need to look at your competition and make sure you have at least the same features as they do. Otherwise your starting the race from a disadvantaged position. All the competitors have (or will soon) cut-n-paste and multi-tasking. Hell, the reason they are moving to a new OS is because the old one couldn't compete with the competition.

I understand MS's stance on battery life, but it seems they are fighting an uphill battle.

This is the kind of crap
By Randomblame on 3/17/2010 1:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
That made me start working on a linux kernel for my phone. HTC Phones, and soon several LG phones will support running android or whatever linux distro you want on your phone through a windows mobile application called haret. Some of us don't want a closed platform, some of us use copy/paste! I for one will be doing what I want on my hardware.

RE: This is the kind of crap
By strikeback03 on 3/17/2010 3:46:20 PM , Rating: 2
Is this any HTC phone? And can it shut down most of WM, as my phone barely has enough power to run that?

No copy/paste and no multitasking definitely mean I won't be repeating the mistake of buying a phone running a Microsoft OS.

Must SUE!
By ie5x on 3/17/2010 2:19:40 AM , Rating: 4
No way! Only Apple has a patent on the idea of "Exclusion of key productivity features in an upcoming expensive productivity toy"!!

True multitasking?
By 3minence on 3/17/2010 8:58:51 AM , Rating: 2
So if I'm reading this right, other than a push service this has NO multitasking? So I can't listen to music while playing a game of solitaire? That can't be right. My Nano can do that so I assume the Zune can as well, and this is based off the Zune OS.

I can easily picture someone listening to Pandora while reading email on his smartphone. To disable the ability is just mind boggling.

RE: True multitasking?
By noirsoft on 3/17/2010 10:16:24 AM , Rating: 2
There is no way for a 3rd-party app to do processing when not in the foreground other than via the notification service. The OS is fully multitasking, and all the 1st party apps can take advantage, so yes, you can listen to music while playing solitaire.

No C&P still sucks. I downloaded the tech preview of the developer kit and there is definitely no clipboard type object to be found anywhere. :(

hate it already
By Visual on 3/17/2010 12:15:26 PM , Rating: 2
Add "no homebrew" to the list.
I was seriously planning to buy both a ZuneHD (though I was hoping for updated version, even with tegra 2, obviously not happening now) and a WM7 phone to get myself into some fun XNA developing. Now MS disappoints again.

RE: hate it already
By noirsoft on 3/17/2010 1:22:00 PM , Rating: 2
Plenty of homebrew, just no homebrew where you distribute only the executable. With the free dev kit, you can release source and let anyone download & install to their own phone.

By cheetah2k on 3/16/2010 9:25:38 PM , Rating: 3
Its another iPhone!!

Suppose it wont be 3G either? <sarcasim>

I guess I'll be playing so many xbox games, I will have forgotten about it anyway!

By serkol on 3/16/2010 8:51:23 PM , Rating: 2
this gets funnier every hour :-)

By tjr508 on 3/16/2010 10:30:20 PM , Rating: 1
Features don't make a phone, period.

Copy/paste on my iPhone has been a HUGE burden in that it has gotten in the way of me editing text probably over one thousand times while it has been helpful maybe twice. I am happy that MS thought of its users being more important than its sales points.

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By rudy on 3/17/2010 8:56:00 AM , Rating: 1
copy/paste has never been in the way on winmo 6, nor black berries I have used just because apple is to stupid to implement it right does not mean M$ is excused from it.

By Motoman on 3/17/2010 1:54:29 AM , Rating: 2
I think I just had an aneurysm. Can MS honestly be this stupid...did they sleep through the whole iPhone thing?


By at80eighty on 3/17/2010 2:36:01 AM , Rating: 2
and to think I just argued with an apple-bot on Fark about how MS might shift the game a little bit away from them.

Thanks for the egg on my face, Ballmer. I was really keen on this device until now. now go screw up Courier while you're at it.

By damianrobertjones on 3/17/2010 3:37:15 AM , Rating: 2
I REALLY think that it's April as MS really are pulling our leg her. Of COURSE it'll have copy/paste!


Copy & paste is there!!
By rbfowler9lfc on 3/17/2010 10:13:16 AM , Rating: 2
You just have to press CTRL+SHIFT+INSERT to paste, like the old times...

By tim851 on 3/17/2010 11:47:12 AM , Rating: 2
What the hell?! After all the crap Apple has been taking for the absence of these features, how can Microsoft think they can get away with it?

But I love how a million Apple haters will likely get Aneurysms now.

Read this guys
By rudy on 3/18/2010 12:09:15 AM , Rating: 2

What they talk about here makes most of the issues go away. Basically M$ is using creative ways to keeps a sort of multitasking system and increase speed. Also in the WP7 forums the basic idea is that copy and paste will not be needed do to better implementation of something liek IE accelerators which were great.

I still prefer a copy and paste but these inaccurate DT articles do not offer any real good talk about why they would exclude a feature. It is not just because they think like apple and figure people will just put up with it.

no way
By psypher on 3/16/2010 8:11:29 PM , Rating: 1
This has to be a joke. I want one of these win7 phones so badly, but if they can't get copy/paste in it, that's a deal breaker. I waited so damn long to get it on my iphone. I'm not making that particular step back.

By piroroadkill on 3/17/2010 5:36:13 AM , Rating: 1
Buy Android.

Copypaste on Dailytech
By davepermen on 3/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Copypaste on Dailytech
By davepermen on 3/17/2010 9:24:19 AM , Rating: 1
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