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New traffic cams in the UK make Dracula proud

Most drivers in larger cities where carpool lanes are common have seen the lone driver cruising in the HOV lane oblivious to the rules. Sometimes these lane raiders get caught, but more often than not they get away with going solo in the HOV lane.

Some people try all sorts of trickery to get away with using the HOV lane with only one person in the car from putting photographs on the windshield to fool traffic cameras to using mannequins or blow up dolls. A new camera system is being installed in the UK that can tell how many people are in the car by detecting the amount of blood and bodily fluids are present with the expectation of thwarting these types of offenses.

The new CCTV system will first be used in Leeds, but could eventually find its way across the UK. The cameras work by shooting an infrared beam through the windshield of a car that is able to detect the blood and other fluids inside people in the car.

Similar technology has been used in the hospital setting for years called pulse oximetery which uses an infrared beam to detect how much oxygen is dissolved in the blood. If these cameras work on a similar principal to detect blood is unknown.

Professor John Tyrer headed the Loughborough University team that created the device told Daily Mail, “It [the cameras] allows you to count people.” UK motoring organizations say that the cameras are yet another intrusion on the private lives of motorists.

Whether or not CCTV cameras actually help reduce crime in the UK is a topic of debate. DailyTech reported a study in 2007 that showed the CCTV cameras in use in the UK did not reduce crime.



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Well...
By DASQ on 2/25/2008 6:42:41 PM , Rating: 5
I guess UK'ers will resort to peeing, pooping, and bleeding into a bag, throwing in their glove compartment, and ride the bodily-fluid only HOV lane.

What kind of sensitivities will this thing have anyway? What if it's a hemophiliac adult with a baby? Will one super bloody dude be able to pass as two people?




RE: Well...
By DASQ on 2/25/2008 6:45:49 PM , Rating: 2
A freshly 'tapped' hemophiliac adult, I forgot to add.


RE: Well...
By StevoLincolnite on 2/25/2008 11:02:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention a tax/fine on the amount of flatulences that may escape out through the car window.


RE: Well...
By nerdye on 2/25/2008 6:48:12 PM , Rating: 2
It wouldn't be necessary to bleed into a bag so you had more blood in your car if you complete and udder fat ass, lol.

Fat people, taking up more than their seat at the movie theaters, and airplanes for far to long, now they will be clogging up the fast lanes too!


RE: Well...
By Samus on 2/25/2008 7:04:08 PM , Rating: 3
Give's a whole new meaning to 'fill-er-up'


RE: Well...
By spluurfg on 2/26/2008 6:39:41 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly... I know plenty of girls who weigh around 42kg each, where as I'm sure the woman sitting in front of me in the plane the other day was at least 130kg. As the body is mostly fluid...


RE: Well...
By treehugger87 on 2/25/2008 7:46:07 PM , Rating: 2
It detects oxyen dissolved in the blood, so by bleeding into a bag the blood is exposed to the air and loses its oxygen content, thus explaining why blood becomes darker red when you bleed or when it is outside the body in general. Therefor the system basically only detects blood that has been circulating through the pulmonary system --> you have to be alive, or freshly deceased


RE: Well...
By Howard on 2/25/2008 9:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
Why would blood have a higher oxygen content than air?


RE: Well...
By HOOfan 1 on 2/25/2008 10:15:51 PM , Rating: 3
I think you have that backwards...Blood is red when the Iron in the hemoglobin is oxygenated.


RE: Well...
By Gul Westfale on 2/25/2008 10:28:30 PM , Rating: 1
retarded, but these things usually are. governments tend to overthink these things, and come up with "solutions" that either make no sense or that the average guy can circumvent in the time it takes to read this sentence. so they will just stuff some extra "bodily fluid" somewhere in their car... wonder what bill clinton would do? "bodily fluid"?

and since we are talking about hemoglobin, here is the obligatory house quote:
"everyone lies."

and my personal (albeit unrelated) favourite:
"girls can't hold me for too long because i only pay for an hour."


RE: Well...
By Tsuwamono on 2/25/2008 11:23:45 PM , Rating: 2
i think everyone is missing the point that you can basicly put bottles of water in your car since these will be much less sophisticated then the ones in hospitals.


Reduce Crime?
By rsmech on 2/25/2008 7:44:22 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Whether or not CCTV cameras actually help reduce crime in the UK is a topic of debate.


Does anyone else see the trend? Gov't is no longer about protecting the people as much as it is about herding the people. This is about collecting revenue, keeping the average person honest. Make the average person know someone is looking over their shoulder. They are more concerned about keeping the average person herded like sheep.

If they cared more about protecting you then having power over you why is it when funds are low the first 2 things they cut from a budget are schools & police (first responders)? Have you ever heard them say we need to cut the new mass transit project, or the artsy gov't funded impovements (gardens on roofs, new statues, downtown renovations) to save money for the schools or police? NEVER, these issues don't hold power over you like funding for schools or police hold over you. Gov't is about feeding itself & letting you know they are watching you & will find more ways to watch & control Mr. Joe average so you better fall in line. The bigger enemy to gov't isn't the criminal, it's the average Joe who isn't willing to accept these intrusions. He's the bigger wolf, he could lead the sheep out of the pen, the real criminal already help keep the sheep in the pen.

Sorry for the rant, it's more extreme then actuality, but I don't understand how easy society submits just because gov't says so.




RE: Reduce Crime?
By NT78stonewobble on 2/26/2008 1:58:09 AM , Rating: 3
IMO the average person is a selfish ignorant idiot who does atleast deserve to be fined when breaking the law.


RE: Reduce Crime?
By mcmilljb on 2/26/2008 3:57:16 AM , Rating: 2
Well then let a cop catch him. It's a waste of time and money. If no one is in the lane, who cares? Better than being stuck in traffic wasting gas. Plus like they said, it doesn't reduce real crime.


RE: Reduce Crime?
By xsilver on 2/26/2008 8:58:50 AM , Rating: 4
yes, what I dont understand is that if they're so insistent on managing car pool lanes; why not have the bobbies patrol them. The officers should be able to pay their own wage with the fines. As people learn that the car pool lane is not to be taken advantage of the police numbers can be reduced to compensate for that to create a happy balance.
Enough with the technological big brother BS


RE: Reduce Crime?
By Aloonatic on 2/26/2008 4:01:58 AM , Rating: 2
The only herding that the UK government are doing is herding degree educated 20-30 year olds out and cheap immigrant labour in.

The people that are able to emigrate and get jobs in other countries, notably degree educated 20 somethings, are leaving the UK in record numbers

Only those who are trapped in the UK benefits system and are unwanted by other countries are powerless to do anything as they are essentially owned by the government.

Of course, this doesn't come cheap so the UK government has to come up with all sorts of taxes, fines and charges to cover it's overheads.

We have somehow been convinced that governments and those in power are now lovely nice people who want power only to make everyone else's lives easier, contrary to what any history book will tell you.

I'm biding my time until my girlfriend finishes uni then we're outta here.


RE: Reduce Crime?
By Proteusza on 2/26/2008 6:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
I think you can measure how well a country is doing by how its primary services are treated.

Currently, it seems the UK is doing extremely poorly with regards to its police - they lack government support and funding, they dont have the authority or equipment to do their jobs. Compare them to police elsewhere in the world, such as the US, and you will see why crime is so much higher here.

I think a large problem is that those in government just dont have a clue what life is like at the bottom. They never have to use public transport - they dont know how overcrowded it is. They think they are helping the masses with the benefits system, but in reality, they are only perpetuating poverty by encouraging people to rely on the state. The UK government is so concerned with being politically correct that they forgot they have a country to run. Ken Livingstone goes on about congestion and the evils of driving and how people with gas guzzlers are rich enough to afford the C charge - but I dont see him using public transport. His C charge is nothing but a tax - where is the money going? Is it going to an environmental cause? Of course not! its going to the pension funds.

Its not that the environment is unimportant compared to the welfare of the state - it is definitely important. But its being used as a scapegoat to raise taxes while offering everyone nothing in return, and while the government cuts the police budget all the time, and gives the youth all the liberty they want, thereby ensuring they will end up being a disgrace to the country at best, and a career criminal at worst. Its a crueler punishment than any form of discipline.


RE: Reduce Crime?
By dever on 2/26/2008 3:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
You are certainly welcome here in America. There are still a few freedom lovers here.


RE: Reduce Crime?
By straycat74 on 2/26/2008 8:34:18 AM , Rating: 3
can we get a 6?


RE: Reduce Crime?
By MrBlastman on 2/26/2008 9:43:52 AM , Rating: 2
The Pusher and Shover robots are here to protect you. They are here to protect!

Do not trust the Pusher robot... Wait, do not trust the Shover robot. Err...


Oh the poor motorists....
By Proteusza on 2/26/2008 3:10:04 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
UK motoring organizations say that the cameras are yet another intrusion on the private lives of motorists.


Oh shame. Poor guys. These guys want to drive in the lane reserved for larger vehicles and those carrying passengers, and the government wants to stop them. Arent they so hard done by? Oh shame, woe is them, now maybe they will have to drive in the normal lanes like everybody else.

I'm afraid they are just going to have to deal with it - they cause traffic problems for other people, its time they accepted the fact that they are NOT supposed to drive in that lane. Its not too hard really.




RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By Aloonatic on 2/26/2008 4:22:11 AM , Rating: 4
Much of the problem is that motorists in the UK are massively taxed and feel that they should be able to drive in any lane as they're paying through the nose to do it anyway.

There are very few people driving on congested roads for the fun of it, most of use are only trying to get to work in order to earn money and pay our massive taxes in the hope of having a few pennies left over to pay for the private dental and medical treatment that we have already paid for but is rubbish in most places. Then you've got to pay for the fuel to sit in the traffic too, which isn't cheap over here either.

Of course, the politicians say they are making it harder and more expensive to drive to save the planet and make people use public transport as we all know that every mile of British tarmac is made of crushed eagles beaks, seal skins and baby dolphins.

Sadly, the train companies say that they cannot cope with the demand that they have already and put up their fares even faster than the government can put up road tax and fuel duty.

They refuse to expand the number of carriages and force most to stand, that's if the often delayed train arrives in the first place and it actually makes it to the destination on time.

The while thing is a mess and essentially unfair.

What if you don't live near anyone who you work with?

Personally, I'd love to car share, less miles on my car, cheaper fuel bills (we're @ $8 a gallon in the UK) and most importantly, a chance to have a sleep (when it's not my turn to drive) on the ride to and from work without having to worry about speed cameras and being told off by children for speeding near schools :-s


RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By Proteusza on 2/26/2008 6:32:12 AM , Rating: 2
I guess its a difficult situation.

On the one hand, I agree that the transport system, including private road transport and public transport, is woefully inadequate. And I dont like how motorists are demonized as the cause of The End Of The World. Even if they were, the government just hasnt done enough for public transport - its overcrowded, horrifically expensive, slow, and delayed whenever there is a mild breeze.

On the other hand, I dont agree that motorists have the right to use lanes reserved for other traffic, and I especially dont agree that using such measures is an invasion of privacy.

Something clearly needs to be done, I just dont know what. Perhaps we need an entirely new government, made up of neither of the political parties represented by Gordon Brown and David Cameron, because both are just sharks - useless politicians.


RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By Aloonatic on 2/26/08, Rating: 0
RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By dever on 2/26/2008 3:58:22 PM , Rating: 1
Can you expound on the healthcare in the UK a little? Some here in the US want to mimic your "universal coverage" trying to shame the average US citizen into eliminating the competitive forces that made US healthcare the best in the world.


RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By P4blo on 2/26/2008 11:38:19 AM , Rating: 3
What are you on about? The civil liberties thing is about the government knowing too much about everyone, not just the few people who break road laws! You've got the wrong end of the stick.

Currently all the cameras can detect car number plates - meaning that it's very easy to track a vehicle all around town. Now with this technology, in theory they also know roughly how many people are in it. I bet they'd just love to add these little infrared beams to all the cameras, not just car sharing lanes (which dont even exist here at the moment anyhow LOL). Reading the American comments on here makes me laugh, you guys really dont have a clue what you're on about most of you :)

The REAL issue here is how governments are using the excuse of enforcing things like traffic laws to bring in new cunning technologies that are really in place to a). earn revenue, and b). track terrorist suspects. Sadly our civil liberties are eroded because of poor foreign policy (thanks Blair and Bush). Any time a new bit of tech comes along that helps them track suspects better they jump at it. That's the REAL problem here.


RE: Oh the poor motorists....
By dever on 2/26/2008 4:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'm one American that thinks you're on target. But there are many who don't realize that the more power you give to government, the greater the potential for misuse or abuse. Some feel that we just need the "right person" in office to manage all that excessive power... a sad, baseless optimism (or "hope").


Best Plan Ever
By 1337n00blar on 2/25/2008 7:00:46 PM , Rating: 3
To fool the system, I'll just double my weight. Take that, over-regulating government!




RE: Best Plan Ever
By fk49 on 2/25/2008 7:20:01 PM , Rating: 4
You could bring a dog to work? or a cow?


RE: Best Plan Ever
By eye smite on 2/25/2008 9:41:23 PM , Rating: 4
England always does the most interesting things don't they? heh


Spring cleaning not needed?
By Captain Orgazmo on 2/25/2008 9:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
I knew I would find a use for all the bodies in my trunk one day!!! :D




By marsbound2024 on 2/25/2008 11:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
No longer are we constrained with hiding bodies in the trunk! Take them out, clean them up, put some overly saggy clothes on them! Prop their head up with a pillow (make sure you pull a beanie over any gunshot wounds to the head after cauterizing the bullet hole) and take your new friend to work! Now watch as the UK police wave happily now that you are obeying the blood laws. *big cheesy grin and thumbs up*


By psychobriggsy on 2/26/2008 6:01:42 AM , Rating: 2
I thought I read about this on some American "car-pool encouragement" systems. Maybe that was a camera looking for two people in the car rather than a body heat or whatever a "remote blood detector" is.

Car pool lanes are a good idea if they're taking over a bus/taxi lane. Imagine a crowded road with a free lane that one vehicle comes down every 5 minutes. However with the UK I think that there would be one lane for the single plebs (backlogged 10 miles), another for car pooling (2 cars a minute), another for the buses (1 vehicle every 5 minutes), and then a fourth special lane just in case a government minister needs to drive anywhere.




By mrteddyears on 2/26/2008 6:59:20 AM , Rating: 2
Dont forget in the UK we dont have Car Pool lanes. All we have is a bunch of limp wristed idiots that like to TAX car drivers.


It's just an IR camera
By Guigsy on 2/26/2008 8:46:12 AM , Rating: 2
All it is is an infra-red camera that looks for the frequency that bounces back off of human skin. It's not some magic x-ray machine or some blood volume detector... it won't give a false reading because you're fat.

Many cars now have metal flakes in the glass or IR reflective coatings on the surface so the car doesn't warm up too much in the summer (which is also the reason some satnavs don't get a very good signal). I'm fairly sure this would prevent the camera from getting a good image.

Also, the camera only takes a picture of the front of the car, what stops you from saying that you had 20 kids in the back seats?

I think this is more of a deterrent than a device that'll actually work.




RE: It's just an IR camera
By pauluskc on 2/26/2008 10:04:30 AM , Rating: 2
And how about someone bringing this fancy vanadium dioxide to market, eh? Seems like progress is made. Create a simple IR detector circuit (made one from radioshack parts) and connect it to the 12 femtosecond pulsing laser (still looking for a good source) and zowie!
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-12/vu-...

Or this Transparent IR Reflective Film patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PT...
Anyone have some extruders laying around?


What's next?
By cscpianoman on 2/25/2008 8:43:30 PM , Rating: 2
All of a sudden I feel horribly exposed...




Yummy buddies!
By Oregonian2 on 2/25/2008 9:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
How about just having a pot roast come along with you in your car?




Fishy
By SlyNine on 2/25/2008 10:55:56 PM , Rating: 2
All of a sudden the fast lane seems to be filled with mobfia members.




In the US...
By Lord 666 on 2/26/2008 12:49:14 AM , Rating: 2
Smokers, people with bad ciculatory and respiratory systems would try to find a way to sue medical discrimination if they received a uncalled for violation.




.....
By B3an on 2/26/2008 5:25:01 AM , Rating: 2
None of us know how this tech works exactly, so i dont know why some people are speculating so much and saying things as if they know it to be fact.




Misleading, blood is wrong.
By mindless1 on 2/26/2008 10:45:34 AM , Rating: 2
This does not "detect" bodily fluids particularly, it just happens to be what would be in a typical climate controlled car and detected by infrared. The majority of what it detects will be IR emission from a person who just happens to be made of bodily fluid but it cannot detect bodily fluid itself as an identification means.

This is not really like pulse oximetery which is a pass-through rather than reflective sensed tech, odds are quite good all one would need to fool this system is a few 9.4um iLEDs focused in a particular pattern.




:D
By DeepBlue1975 on 2/26/2008 11:48:45 AM , Rating: 2
Didn't know UK police could be that bloody!
This will make them fill like living on the bleeding edge, for sure.

Will they drink a bloody Mary everytime they find a new offender?




What's sad....
By JonnyDough on 2/26/2008 4:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
is the amount of money being spent on research, construction, and maintainance of our highways when a monorail or maglev train system would be sooo much more efficient. A train has only a fraction of the wind resistance of several vehicles, and therefore uses only a fraction of the energy to move the same amount of weight. Current technologies in friction reduction such as magnetic levitation make this even more viable. Why doesn't the U.S. have a strong train system? We think it's out-dated. Yet the cities earn revenue and lower pollution using subways and trains. Hmm. Why we don't build a train from east to west that goes 300mph is beyond me. Let's continue to use our EXTREMELY expensive and inefficient roads and cars. The cost of driving our vehicles is outrageous. Forget gas prices, do you know how much taxpayers spend on roads every year?




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