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Maybe he didn't mean people by saying "people"

Sony executives lately have been quite outspoken about the competition, but rarely does the company comment on potential consumers. Ray Maguire, Sony's UK managing director, is likely a hero to a select group of gamers in London for announcing the incredible giveaway of 46-inch Bravia HDTVs at launch, but American gamers may now have a bone to pick with the Brit.

In an interview with GamesIndustry.biz, when asked why PlayStation 3 more expensive in the UK than it is in the rest of Europe, Maguire replied: “If you take what's considered to be the most expensive and the least expensive – consider the US with its massive land and cheap people. Then you look at the UK – a little island where rent and rates are at an absolute premium, and the cost of people is a lot more. The cost of retail is vastly more in the UK than it is in the US and that's before you even stop to consider the US doesn't have VAT at RRP, they put a small amount on afterwards. Whereas, we get stung by 17.5 per cent. And pity the poor Irish and places like Sweden.”

There appears to be some further explanation needed on the context of Maguire’s comments, which were made in the context of the relatively high price of the PlayStation 3 in Europe, especially compared to the less tax-heavy Americas. He was clearly talking about the differentials in pricing for the PS3 in various territories.

While some people are interpreting his “cheap people” comments as referring to the U.S.’s cheaper labor force and lower cost of living, nearly all PlayStation 3 consoles are made in China, with a very small percentage made in Japan. Furthermore, the European PS3 also features simplified hardware in comparison to its Japan and North American counterparts, representing a reduction in hardware costs. The main inflator of the PS3’s price in the UK and other parts of Europe are the high taxes, which affect all consumer goods.

Even with the extended wait and the higher price, PlayStation 3 has become UK’s fastest selling home console, according to estimates. 165,000 PlayStation 3 units were sold in the two days following the console's launch, giving it easily the strongest launch of the new consoles.

In comparison, Nintendo’s Wii sold 105,000 units on launch weekend, and Microsoft’s Xbox 360 rang in the slowest launch with 70,000 units sold.

Sony appears to have a particularly strong following in the UK. While its new home console holds the new record in its own domain, the PSP holds the overall title of fastest-selling system and handheld with 185,000 units sold launch weekend.

With a successful UK launch underway, Maguire was happy to announce the start of what he believes is a more “real” next-generation. “Many people are saying we're now joining the next-generation console era, but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation,” he said.



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Fanboy Fodder
By Teletran1 on 3/26/2007 6:52:09 PM , Rating: 6
quote:
If you take what's considered to be the most expensive and the least expensive – consider the US with its massive land and cheap people . Then you look at the UK – a little island where rent and rates are at an absolute premium, and the cost of people is a lot more .


Reading the whole quote it's obvious that by cheap he meant "inexpensive".

Just some more flamebait for fanboys and "Journalists" that love to spew out the tired old 4D 120FPS rhetoric. Is this even news?




RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Puddleglum1 on 3/26/2007 7:10:55 PM , Rating: 2
It's obvious that he should have used a different word. No interpretation of his sentence makes sense, unless you throw him a bone and reword it yourself.

He meant that the cost-of-living in England is higher, and that the PS3 is more reachable there. Well, that makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is
quote:
but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation,
My english papers were never par with the rest of the class. My procrastination always impressed my teachers.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By vhx on 3/26/07, Rating: 0
RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Locutus465 on 3/26/2007 11:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He meant that the cost-of-living in England is higher, and that the PS3 is more reachable there. Well, that makes sense.


I'll admit, I'm not the best when it comes to economics... But I was under the impression that the best you could hope for is for things to even out between a region with a lower cost of living v. higher through relitive wages (excluding extream cases like a 3rd world nation v. the United States). I would have thought that at best the PS3 would be just as accessible as it is to the average american, or perhaps a little less since you're paying so much more than you are for everything else.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By BladeVenom on 3/27/2007 10:00:14 AM , Rating: 3
All that is even more expensive in Japan, but it's still a lot cheaper there.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Scorpion on 3/26/2007 7:38:10 PM , Rating: 3
You're right. I'm not a Sony hater, although I do find myself critizing them a lot because I am a rational person. I was ready to pounce on this subject, until I read your post, which I couldn't initially see because you were modded down so low, and I read the article and realized you were right. Now I'm disgusted at the fact that you are modded down and everyone seems to be going on and on when they must not have read the article.

This is still so baffling to me! If you put that entire Answer to the question into perspective: "Why is the PlayStation 3 more expensive in the UK than it is in the rest of Europe?" , it's obvious what he's trying to say. He's comparing the cost of living in the UK vs. the US. The point you are making, and seem to be the only one who actually RTFA. However, what I can't understand is how that statement came out so terribly worded. If you read the rest of the article, there are not any other similar obvious grammatical inconsistencies. Therefore I feel that something just isn't right.

Either the Sony guy really messed up his English grammar in his response, or the author of the article did a piss poor job of quoting him. If it is the latter, there's no telling if it was intentional or not. This really is making something out of nothing, and I cannot say where the fault lies. It's just amazing how Sony keeps making such idiotic statements, and this one was quick to believed at first, yet is the first time I can say that it's just an obvious contextual misinterpretation.

Either way, Sony really needs to get some PR and speech training for their execs. I would really expect the UK managing director to have nearly impeccable communication skills.

And people really need to get over their emotions and quit modding you down, because you were right.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Scorpion on 3/26/2007 7:43:35 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, now that I've looked at some of your other responses I can see why you got modded down. Reputation of making ill-thought responses. You just happened to be right on this one.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Teletran1 on 3/26/2007 8:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
I don't really post here too often so I hope I don't have a reputation. I would hope that I am not in the same league as micheal1980 or whatever his name is. My one other response in this thread is actually a complete 180 to see if I could escape getting modded down.


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By somegeek on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Fanboy Fodder
By somegeek on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Fanboy Fodder
By crystal clear on 3/27/2007 3:25:31 AM , Rating: 4
* He needs a course in English at OXFORD!!!!!!!!

* He "Thinks" like say-

"CHEAP" PRODUCTS also can be used as "CHEAP" PEOPLE !!

"Cost" of "Product" -same way "COST" of "people"

"and the cost of product (people in this case) is lot more".

* A cheaper solutions is to take English lessons on
BBC (FREE).

THIS IS NEWS !!!


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By crystal clear on 3/27/2007 3:33:22 AM , Rating: 2
"Ray Maguire, Sony's UK managing director,"

Is he BRITISH ??? IF yes -shame on your school teachers!!!

Import some Teachers of English from INDIA.

COST of INDIAN TEACHERS CHEAP !!!!!!


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By semo on 3/27/2007 7:38:52 AM , Rating: 5
*off topic

what's with the green highlight and rating of 6. also, there was no option to rate you down.

just wondering... don't know how to ask but...

are you god?


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By Legolias24 on 3/27/2007 9:22:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah Semo, I was wondering the same thing...a 6 rating with no option to mod either up or down; that's pretty crazy! :P


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By CascadingDarkness on 3/27/2007 1:56:27 PM , Rating: 3
No guys check this other DT article.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6555

Turns out Kristopher Kubicki is infact God. =)


RE: Fanboy Fodder
By tuteja1986 on 3/27/2007 9:52:33 AM , Rating: 3
err... After the huge price increase even with 19% tax it doesn't add up to $800USD and also the fact they took the Emotion engine. Sony exec just gave few Tv aways just to get press from not saying horrible things about sony screwing up the Europe launch. In Australia we don't have a huge 19% tax like UK but we are still paying $800USD and having no option to 20GB model or having proper PS2/PS1 backwards incompatibly support.


Cheap Eh?
By othercents on 3/26/2007 6:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
North America has ~334mil people.
Europe has ~493mil people.

North America sold out all ~350k PS3s at launch. Europe sold 165k out of the 220k units.

I think Sony is really glad that North America is "cheap".

Other




RE: Cheap Eh?
By mcq01 on 3/26/2007 7:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Even with the extended wait and the higher price, PlayStation 3 has become UK’s fastest selling home console, according to estimates. 165,000 PlayStation 3 units were sold in the two days following the console's launch, giving it easily the strongest launch of the new consoles.


That 165,000 of 220,000 is for the UK only ie ~ 60mil people, not the whole of europe.


RE: Cheap Eh?
By Beany on 3/26/2007 8:24:36 PM , Rating: 1
Yep, thats just for the UK.
It's clearly stated in the article aswell, yet his post stil gets rated up..

Guess americans cant deal with the fact that there cheap.


RE: Cheap Eh?
By Adsski on 3/27/2007 4:05:42 AM , Rating: 2
Approx 80% of homes in the UK are owned vs Rented / Let

The current average £ figues for the whole country are...

Average Cost £184,924 or $364,022.89
Detached £285,697 or $562,394.54
Semi-detached £170,650 or $335,924.53
Terraced £143,512 or $282,503.37
Flat £174,052 or $342,621.36

How does that compare to the US?

Rip off britain!!!


RE: Cheap Eh?
By Dribble on 3/27/2007 4:54:11 AM , Rating: 2
House prices are set by us - i.e. they are what we are willing to pay - so we rip ourselves off and the banks handing out the mortgages get rich.

Same is largely true for consoles - sony exec's charge as much as they feel they can get away with - i.e. what we will pay.


RE: Cheap Eh?
By crystal clear on 3/27/2007 5:38:12 AM , Rating: 1
All you Brits got to take a short course at the London School of Economics,to put some economic sense in your lives.

You know that famous nusery rhyme "Jack & Jill"-

JACK here is Sony who fell down and broke his CROWN & JILL
here is PS3 prices came tumbling after.

Nothing personal against you-just simple economics.


RE: Cheap Eh?
By PunaProgrammer chris on 4/3/2007 4:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
What the hell are you talking about?
This comment makes very little to no sense (at least in my opinion) but it gave me a pretty good laugh, so thanks.


Heh
By deeznuts on 3/26/2007 6:38:24 PM , Rating: 5
I'm a Sony Fan, though not a Fanboy. The following are all facts:

I have a PS3. I want a black 360. Some Sony Executives are idiots.




RE: Heh
By Belard on 3/26/2007 7:18:05 PM , Rating: 2
I want the Silver PS3 thats been shown around.

Sony is idiot.


RE: Heh
By Tsuwamono on 3/26/2007 7:51:34 PM , Rating: 4
ill keep my PC but sony are idiots.


Upper Crust of the UK
By jstchilln on 3/26/2007 7:32:51 PM , Rating: 1
Typical upper crust Brit mentality. To bad we were so cheap with them back in the 40's or they would all be eating sauerkraut.




RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By psychobriggsy on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By jstchilln on 3/26/2007 8:15:41 PM , Rating: 2
No reason to get personal old chap. The way my dad and uncles had their way over there with the brit gals you might be my cousin..


RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By peternelson on 3/27/2007 12:44:22 AM , Rating: 2
I'd say Playstation 2 is VERY popular among the "chav" community in UK. A kind of status symbol like wearing "bling".

Others of us own PS2s but are not chavs (just to make that perfectly clear).


RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By Xavian on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By Trisped on 3/26/2007 8:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
It is a little more complicated then that. WWII came right in the middle of our isolationist period. We didn't see the constant fighting, bickering, and back biting being instigated by the European countries as any of our concern. If it hadn't been for the Japanese attacking the US, we would have waited till an American country was attacked before getting involved.

Germany using Brittan as a staging ground for bombing the US was a concern of the military, not the people. And in America it is really hard to go to war with out the consent of the people.


RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By Beany on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By Trisped on 3/26/2007 8:59:34 PM , Rating: 3
? supplied? As in, here... We obviously need help because we are slowly getting creamed. Why don't you take some of the remaining resources we have left to train your troops and such, then help us crush our enemies?

Anyways, the point is moot. The CEO meant that it was cheaper to stock American stores where minimum wage is lower and there are fewer taxes. Just read the original article.


RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By Beany on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By jstchilln on 3/26/2007 9:19:48 PM , Rating: 4
I guess you never heard of Dunkirk.


RE: Upper Crust of the UK
By jstchilln on 3/26/07, Rating: 0
Depends on interpretation, probably insulting
By peternelson on 3/27/2007 12:39:50 AM , Rating: 3
A few observations:

1) Consoles will sell better when there are more / some decent games for them. Thus the later europe launch benefits from the extra time.

2) Installed base of ps2 users in UK is high so natural progression is to buy their nexgen console if it has ok backward compatibility. Even is it's not 100% now the chips taken out, many are inexperienced to ask if it is or not.

3) Estimated sales are actually very good considering x360 has had a long time to make a lead in UK.

4) These good figures are even more impressive considering it's not benefitting from the christmas holiday presents effect, and the high price relative to foreign markets.

5) Yes, the UK is over taxed ;-), but this does not account for the entire excess price.

6) UK markup for ps3 is not unlike markup we have to suffer for any computer stuff.

7) It may be a generalisation about cost of labour as for example London is richer but costs more to live than elsewhere in UK. Just like some US states have widely varying wealth and living costs.

8) The thing is MADE in the same place so labour costs are irrelevant to that. Shipping to Europe / US may cost similar so maybe Japan market saves there.

9) It MAY be that higher staffing and retail rent costs, force UK retailers to demand higher margins. I would be interested in FACTUAL information as to margins shops make on selling consoles/games in UK versus US.

10) His comment about US being "cheap" may reflect lower margins being taken there because of lower retail overheads.

11) The other way his statement COULD be interpreted is US are "cheap" as in stingy, tight-fisted, differentiate based on price to get a bargain, don't easily part with their money, in comparison to UK gamers who just buy stuff anyway even at rip-off prices. In ecomonics that's called price inelasticity of demand. A bit like cigarettes: people will keep buying even if prices increase. In that case he would be alluding to price of PS3 being set at "what the market will bear" rather than to give value.

12) Seems to me another controversial Sony PR statement in which Sony insult US or UK consumers, depending on how you interpret it.

13) I'd rather see a proper launch event than give a few people free tellys. IF you are giving free TV then announce that BEFORE so you boost sales and hype and queues. Even make it a lottery/draw eg we will randomly select 1/3 of the first ..... buyers to receive a tv, or a games discount voucher or .....

Just giving tv randomly apppears like some forgot to organise the launch until it was too late to do anything??

Also giving free tv in london and nowhere else is a kick in the teeth for the poorer gamers in other cities who likely will generate more money by buying games and may have more time to play them (less commute time/traffic).

14) On the positive note the good ps3 sales should establish blueray, so we can buy BR media and movies in stores soon.

15) PS3 has also done well as a folding client and also runs linux which might spur more linux adoption.

16) The game store I went in today had a pile of empty ps3 boxes and was taking orders, but no ps3 were visible or on demo, so perhaps they sold the entire initial stock by now.




By semo on 3/27/2007 5:18:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
6) UK markup for ps3 is not unlike markup we have to suffer for any computer stuff.
don't i know it. in many cases when i read about prices on dt i simply turn the $ signs into £ signs and my estimate wouldn't be too far off. not to mention we don't get all the stuff america gets.

btw, didn't read from 10nth point down. if someone could give me the gist of it?


By FITCamaro on 3/27/2007 8:28:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
10) His comment about US being "cheap" may reflect lower margins being taken there because of lower retail overheads.

11) The other way his statement COULD be interpreted is US are "cheap" as in stingy, tight-fisted, differentiate based on price to get a bargain, don't easily part with their money


Take a guess which one he meant.

quote:
15) PS3 has also done well as a folding client and also runs linux which might spur more linux adoption.


No. Most people aren't even going to know Linux is available for the PS3 unless Sony advertises it. And as other threads have said, the PS3s power usage is quite high and the majority of people aren't going to leave their $600 consoles on 24/7 so they can run the F@H client. Far too much risk involved.


AGAIN?
By Trisped on 3/26/2007 8:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
I though Sony had finally gotten rid of their bad press machines, but it seems the still have one left. So what if the American version costs less? It cost even less in Japan. Plus, Europe is know for having excessive taxes so they can support movie star quality kings and queens.

The fact is that America is a much more experienced gaming country then the EU and as a result don't get sold out by the excessive hype that Sony made around the system. Many of us remember being burned by the PS2 hype, that it was so powerful the Japanese military wouldn't let it out of the country. I didn't even know the Japanese had a military at the time. I though we still provided that for them.

So what is the real story? The EU Sony rep/CEO guy wanted to keep his ignorant followers from asking why the console was doing so poorly in America, realizing it was over valued in EU, and sales taking a hit.

What do you think?




RE: AGAIN?
By Trisped on 3/26/2007 9:02:52 PM , Rating: 2
Whoops, seems that DailyTech didn't get a chance to read the original article before posting. The when the CEO said cheap he meant that they don't have to be paid as much, so it is easier to ship a low cost product. He also noted that taxes add to the cost of selling products in America.


RE: AGAIN?
By Trisped on 3/27/2007 6:23:21 PM , Rating: 2
And now it has been edited for validity. Just so everyone knows, the original implied that the Sony CEO was calling Americans cheap.
While the article points out the units are produced in China, the point is the extra cost required to sell a unit in UK vs in the US. As I noted above, increased taxes and higher pay for store operators requires higher prices on sold goods.


By crystal clear on 3/27/2007 3:03:23 AM , Rating: 3
"There appears to be some further explanation needed on the context of Maguire’s comments"

Ask this guy a simple question & you will shut him up!!!!!

What about EXCHANGE RATES??

Convert the selling price (YEN)of PS3 in Japan to EURO OR THE STERLING???????THEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE????

Convert the (USD) price of PS3 in USA to EURO or STERLING?
see the Difference??

ADD YOU VAT etc- still "some further explanation needed "




By peternelson on 3/27/2007 12:20:38 PM , Rating: 2
The Yen is fluctuating vastly against Euro and USD in currency markets (I watch them and financial news).

So can't really compare on that other than it was pointed out a while ago that the Japan price is cheapest anywhere.

We CAN compare USD 600 versus UK 425 which equated to about 840 dollars.

UK VAT is 17.5% whereas US has sales tax depending on state maybe 7 or 8 %?

Therefore the extra $240 to buy in the UK is not explained purely by the tax differential.

Further calcs are of diminishing use since the exchange rates change every second 24x6.

The point is that UK/Europe pay more for their PS3 than anywhere else.


Nothing to see here
By jipe on 3/26/2007 7:06:23 PM , Rating: 2
All this for a quote that has been taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted (go read the actual interview and see for yourself). Garbage journalism, though I imagine it will prove quite popular with the anti-Sony crowd here.




RE: Nothing to see here
By Teletran1 on 3/26/2007 7:25:25 PM , Rating: 1
This and every other tech sites "news" budget is the only thing cheap around here. I have seen this posted on most tech sites. Only 1up had enough sense to actually say that it was taken out of context.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158221


RE: Nothing to see here
By jonnybradley on 3/27/2007 9:05:55 AM , Rating: 2
I think dailytech surgest it in context -"cheaper labour force and lower cost of living", sounds right to me. And also mention of the UK's 17.5% VAT


RE: Nothing to see here
By somegeek on 3/27/07, Rating: -1
Game titles
By Targon on 3/26/2007 6:48:56 PM , Rating: 3
If there are no games, people will NOT buy. When the PS3 launched in the USA, due to low numbers of PS3 games, there was little reason for people to continue to hype the console after purchase.

Since it has been a while since the launch in the USA, there are a few more games for the PS3, so of course people who buy it NOW will have more of a reason to enjoy it. But if you bought it in the USA without a bunch of games available, you might have felt burned by the $600+ price for the console.




MS is the greatest
By Teletran1 on 3/26/2007 7:08:15 PM , Rating: 2
HA HA stupid Sony. They should really keep their mouths shut. This comment was much more insulting than just insulting our intelligence with dual HDMI, giant crabs, 4D and 120FPS.

If anyone ever called me cheap I would do a real time weapon change and smoke his ass.




RE: MS is the greatest
By mars777 on 3/27/2007 1:31:52 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
If anyone ever called me cheap I would do a real time weapon change and smoke his ass.


Somebody who can say this is indeed cheap (at least concerning morality).


I am Canadian
By Mithan on 3/26/2007 7:48:01 PM , Rating: 3
As I and many others have said before:

1. Sony needs to learn to keep its mouth shut.

2. If they open their mouth up, they need to talk about what is coming down the pipe for the PS3 and less about the competition and other useless crap that we do not care about.

3. Not insulting us in the process of doing the above would also be a plus.

Say what you will about Microsoft or Nintendo, but they have definitly learned how to keep their mouths shut and not insult gamers.




By Lord Sear on 3/27/2007 5:58:34 AM , Rating: 3
I'm mystified - the UK is the 4/5 (depending on the figures you read) biggest economy in the world - not bad at all considering we're a mere 61 million people.

However, we're taxed so heavily that we effectively help support that standing - the end result of higher taxes, expensive goods and lower standard of living.

So, why not buy your PS3 abroad? I'm off to visit a mate who sensibly emigrated to Toronto. Consoles there are $699 Canadian which is £300 & you get the Emmtion Engine. The PSU's are dual voltage and the games region free. OK so the movies aren't - but just buy all of them from play.com - they're cheaper than here, movies come out earlier, and there's none of that European nonsense on them.




3 things
By FITCamaro on 3/26/2007 6:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
1) Sony. Your people just won't shut the f*** up when they need to.

2) Probably the fact that everyone's already got a 360 and maybe a Wii helps with sales. No competition for people's dollars since they're already got one or both of the others.

3) Excellent UK launch or not, the PS3 is still far behind.




lol wtf
By medavid16 on 3/26/2007 6:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
What the hell is wrong w/ Sony?! I mean, I am a Sony fan, but damnit, it's hard to defend their arrogant, faulted batteries/heated machines sometimes, good lord.

I want to defend Sony, I really do. Manuevers like giving away free 46" Bravias, good stuff... but pointing and criticizing an entire country? Mocking the consumers? I mean it's bad enough to criticize different industrial sectors, but now the consumers?

I am a Sony fan, but I sure hope Microsoft comes in with the Elite 360 and whoop some ass. Shut Sony up once and for all, for their own good.




Firstly...
By xphile on 3/26/2007 7:01:36 PM , Rating: 2
Lets get one thing straight - I'm a New Zealander so I'm not at all biased here.

So Mr Maguire, just exactly WHAT are UK customers then if US customers are cheap? I ask solely because in your opinion it is obviously necessary to GIVE AWAY very expensive products in the UK to establish some kind of noise in order to sell to your UK customers.

Based on that philosophy I would HATE to think just how "cheap" you think your UK customers must be in comparison to the Americans that do not get or require expensive freebies in order to STILL buy your PS3 consoles in huge numbers. It seems to me Mr Maguire that all these CHEAP customers pay your EXPENSIVE salary, and though it is only my opinion you do share one thing in common with your PS3 product; you aren't worth the money spent either.




MS PR?
By smitty3268 on 3/26/2007 7:17:11 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously it came out terrible, but looking at the interview he just seems to be saying that the cost of living is lower in the US. Anyway, you'd think an executive as important as him would be smart enough to word things better than this.




He is right
By jmunjr on 3/26/2007 7:23:50 PM , Rating: 2
I'm an American and he is right. Americans are cheap. That is what capitalism is all about fool!




By prdamrican on 3/26/2007 8:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
Let's not forget which country actually got the PS/3 the "cheapest"...

that would be Sony's homeland...

So if "cheap" in this context is a bad thing, what is he saying about Japan?




By teainthesahara on 3/26/2007 9:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
Im from Britain and despise the typical British view of Americans.Lay off the yanks you Brit fascists.America has done more for you ungrateful sods than you realise.Im talking about jobs!I think America and Americans on the whole are great.Americans are NOT CHEAP people.They are lucky people who dont get taxed up their ass by Gordon Brown and have more money to spend on themselves. The British are the most jealous people ever. Lucky Americans with your cheap petrol and better standard of living and bigger houses than the average Brit.Most British houses are the size of most americans gardens!!hahaha Maguire is a typical Sony idiot....




By Chaser on 3/27/2007 10:19:01 AM , Rating: 2
I thought I read a listing of unbiased Daily Tech editor/contributors posted a few days ago.

So guys, to uphold your claim of unbiasness do think you could ever post something informative and positive regarding the PS3 besides just the usual dirt spin? How about returning to basic journalism practices and release a new game review or at least a link to one?




Price vs Price
By Daigain on 3/27/2007 10:54:16 AM , Rating: 2
Swedish Price including tax 930USD. Exluding tax 744USD
American price excluding tax 600USD. Including (Swedish tax) 750USD.

So the price in Sweden is 144USD higher besides the VAT then in the US, if you take out VAT as a factor. But then the arguement from sony is that the marginal that the stores take out would be one factor for this 144USD. Wrong, Swedish stores are all selling it for the same price they buy these machines from sony or LOWER. Some stores sell the machine at up to a 70USD loss per console. This leads to the fact that customs and shipping should cost 144USD per console more in Sweden then in the US. I do not believe so, I also do not believe american stores sell their machines at a loss, sony might lose on every console but not the stores.




I can't believe it
By aos007 on 3/27/2007 2:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
All these reactions about "cheap" americans. Jeez. He is obviously talking about cost of labour - not cost of living or "quality" of humans on different sides of Atlantic.

What he's saying is that Sony - and retailers - has to pay higher wages and higher storage costs in UK/Europe compared to US, which has much more space and people willing (and able - this is where the cost of living comes in) to work for less. How the hell can people get this wrong?

Now, whether you buy this excuse, that's another matter entirely. I'm not sure it accounts for the entire difference in cost, myself.




Wait for it!
By Combatcolin on 3/26/2007 6:36:19 PM , Rating: 1
Incoming!!!




Oh shit...
By daftrok on 3/26/2007 6:39:31 PM , Rating: 1
(Hides under desk) Here it comes!




By Devenish on 3/26/2007 7:31:50 PM , Rating: 1
Sony just out right insulted a considerable part of there potential customer base. I would love to respond and comment on it, but that wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the world.




Sony...
By INeedCache on 3/26/07, Rating: 0
DailyTrash
By somegeek on 3/26/07, Rating: -1
"My sex life is pretty good" -- Steve Jobs' random musings during the 2010 D8 conference














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