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UK PS3 sales take a massive hit

After a rather successful United Kingdom launch last week, it appears that interest in the PlayStation 3 is quickly dying down. The PS3 launched with a bang in London and Sony even gave the first 100 customers waiting in line a free 46" HDTV and a free taxi ride home. According to Chart Track, over 165,000 of the consoles were sold within the first 48 hours of availability. Sony provided roughly 220,000 consoles for the UK launch.

The numbers for the second week, however, are down significantly for the PS3 in the UK according to Chart Track. "Yes, sales of PS3 hardware have dropped by 82 per cent," said a spokesman for Chart Track. Likewise, sales for Resistance: Fall of Man and MotorStorm have cooled off by 60%.

Sony's PS3 is priced at £425 ($834 USD) in the UK. Many have commented on the relatively high price point compared to competing game systems like the Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox 360. Sony executives, however, have long championed that the PS3 is built for the future and that the high price tag is justified.

"Many people are saying we're now joining the next-generation console era, but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation," said Sony UK managing director Ray Maguire. "That's what we've done with just about every single component in the PS3. Whether it's the Cell chip, which is the best super computer brain that can handle lots of data, or the Blu-ray component which is the way to get 60GB of data into the marketplace, or the output that's required -- full 1080 and HDMI connections -- that's the way of the future."

So far Sony has declined to comment on the 82% decline in PS3 hardware sales.

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Makes Sense
By bkm32 on 4/3/2007 3:25:27 PM , Rating: 4
If 165,000 units were sold in the first 48 hours and a total of 200,000 units were initially available, then that leaves 35,000 units left for sale during the next 12 days.

Hmmmm.

Now, I dislike Sony products, but even I can see the bias in this article. I own an Xbox1 and plan on buying an Elite when the chipset reduces to 65nm, but until then, forget it (I hate defective electronics).

This could really mean that for the next 5 days, 4,900 PS3s were sold, which left only 29,000 units to sell in week 2.

This doesn't conclude that PS3s aren't being sold at a high rate. It could mean that Sony is having supply problems in the UK. Despite the high price of the system overseas, it is still selling better than the PS2 (and Xbox) did in the same timeframe.

Give credit where credit's due! Sony is kicking butt considering the price of the PS3. They're selling this thing with little to no marketing in place. This is a multi-billion dollar (profit!) company, and they aren't spending jack to market the PS3 (100 TVs is a "drop in the bucket"). I believe MS spent about $21M advertising the X360 (or was that Vista).

Can't we all just get along?




RE: Makes Sense
By greeklightning on 4/3/2007 3:53:24 PM , Rating: 2
I agree completely. While it might not be selling as fast as a Wii, there is no need for article after article to come out begging for people to rag on Sony. We get it, you don't like the PS3. Can we get some real tech news please?


RE: Makes Sense
By Malhavoc on 4/3/2007 3:55:37 PM , Rating: 3
Kudos. Glad to see someone pointing out an alternative reason behind the numbers. Who is right? I can't tell with the information given.

It would be nice to know what was shipped after first week to see whether Sony needs to be bashed or not. Sure they should have shipped more, but how knows ...


RE: Makes Sense
By jtyson on 4/3/2007 6:46:44 PM , Rating: 3
Perhaps Daily Tech will change the name of the article to something a little more accurate, like "After Record-Breaking First Week, Unit Sales Slow At An Un-Alarming Rate".

Kinda like they did with that "Sony UK Exec Calls US Consumers 'Cheap'" article...

I say keep it up, Daily Tech. Your unwavering bias is what sets you apart from all the others.


RE: Makes Sense
By themadmilkman on 4/3/2007 7:26:46 PM , Rating: 2
If you seriously think that there exists such a thing as unbiased news, I fear your ability to critically analyze pretty much anything.

DT has a bias. So does everyone else. Get over it.


RE: Makes Sense
By jtyson on 4/3/2007 11:10:46 PM , Rating: 3
You know, I never thought of it like that...

You're right; if I see someone's posting news that is clearly biased, I shouldn't call them out on their shit. I mean, everybody's doing it, right?
Yeah, if I read an article that's misleading or completely one-sided, I should just get over it .

Thanks for the help.


RE: Makes Sense
By Orpheus333 on 4/3/2007 11:52:24 PM , Rating: 3
okay...

...or you could realize that an 80% drop in sales is indeed massive. Sony should be left to comment on availability, but if supply IS the problem I doubt there would be 30,000 consoles floating around, especially considering the length people will go to get it...


RE: Makes Sense
By Zurtex on 4/3/2007 4:27:03 PM , Rating: 5
While I can see where you are coming from there seems to be 2 things wrong with that analysis.

1, is that the article says 220,000 consoles, 2 is that when I go in to town there are a load of PS3s in every store remotely to do with electronics (I live in one of the major cities of the UK). I realise 2 is only anecdotal evidence, but it seems to be quite wide spread, everyone I know all around the country has the seen the same.

Saying that it sold better than the PS2 in the UK is a red hearing. The PS2 got the highest sales for a home console, this was broken by the Gamecube, its record was broken by the Xbox 360, its record was broken by the Wii and its record was broken by the PS3. It more shows that consoles as a whole are being bought at a higher rate, rather than one particular company doing particularly well. I think if supply issues didn't dog both the 360 and the Wii due to their world launch, the PS3 might not have the crown for best selling console on launch in the U.K.


RE: Makes Sense
By mircea on 4/3/2007 5:21:40 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
If 165,000 units were sold in the first 48 hours and a total of 200,000 units were initially available, then that leaves 35,000 units left for sale during the next 12 days.


From what I know you have to stock before a launch but you also have to continue with weekly shipments? So why would you think only the left over launch consoles should be caunted for the rest of the sales? Why would you think that Sony didn't claim a sellout if that was true?

Now I know weekly shipments are not as many as the launch units, but they certanly add to the total. I believe that most who really wanted one got one, so now mainly impulse buying adds that's why the sales are down.


RE: Makes Sense
By Mithan on 4/3/2007 7:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
I see where you are going with this, however whether you are correct or not depends on knowing how many units Sony shipped to stores before hand, and continued to ship after launch and the fact is, we don't have any real numbers to indicate availability.

In other words, you may be totally correct and the reason they have a huge drop is due to no units being available to sell.

----OR----

The initial hardcore guys rushed the system (as normal), and the decline is due to lack of interest/affordability/etc and has nothing to do with availability.

Shrug. Doesn't really matter I guess.


RE: Makes Sense
By Reflex on 4/3/2007 7:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
Purely anecdotally, Brits I know personally say that they have zero problem getting thier hands on one, and that they are being pushed at buyers who come in asking for a Wii or other system. If there is no supply problem, then the sales dropoff is real.

Of course thats anecdotal evidence, so take it with a grain of salt.


RE: Makes Sense
By Adsski on 4/4/2007 3:51:02 AM , Rating: 2
As a resident of the UK, Colchester Essex to be specific, i'd like to confirm the following supply situation in my town and share my thoughts on next gen.

360 - Avaliable in all stores
PS3 - Avaliable in not all but most stores, look and ye shall find.
Wii - Mission Impossible! Hens teeth!

As for the consoles themselves I've tried all 3 and own a Wii (which i was luck enough to pre-order for release date) I think they all all good in their own way, 360 is a good console at a sensible price with a large games catalogue including some great titles Halo etc. And as vitually all HDTV's sold in the uk have component as well as HDMI it's HD credientials are good enough. The Wii is another good console, slightly lacking in horsepower compared to the others but still more polished than the previous generation and with hugh game play appeal when friends are round. I bought mine for the social gaming side - so sue me! The PS3 is very impressive in terms of graphical quality and blu-ray movies look amazing. (i've never seen an 360 hd dvd to compare) my friends have one and i must say that it takes the traditional games formats, driving, FPS etc. to the next level in terms of picture quality. However £425 is just to expensive and a major obstacle to most normal people, when you consider adding a game at £50 and a second controller at £35 and an HDMI or Component lead to replace the crap in the box at £17.99 your actually looking at £527.99 before you an a fried can enjoy you new PS3 in HD.

Personally i can't drop that kind of money on a console out of my wage packet and still pay the bills. I think this is selling slow cos most young people will have to save to get one.


RE: Makes Sense
By DingieM on 4/4/2007 5:12:42 AM , Rating: 1
"sensible price with a large games catalogue including some great titles Halo etc".

Due to its much better hardware architecture and vastly superior graphics hardware the Xbox360 is the better games console. Advantages lies in lighting, HDR, massive render speed, features, picture output quality that is generated by the graphics hardware themselves (and not streaming video from disc).
Proof is with Gears of War, Forza 2, Mass Effect, PGR4, Halo 3 to only name a number of games that are exclusive to the Xbox360.
Then there will be the games that will only run on Vista and Xbox360 due to its online integrated services, like Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures, Shadowrun etc.
Next to that many former PS3 exclusives are becoming cross-platform including Xbox360.
This is only the tip of the Iceberg because developers are only beginning to understand what the Xbox360 is capable of. Gears Of War doesn't push the Xbox360 to the limit, there is much headroom left.

The PS3 has only a very slight advantage due to its already built in Blu-Ray and HDMI that can output 7.1 lossless audio. But who can hear the difference between DTS 5.1 and 7.1 lossless...well 5% of the people if not less.
That's a niche market.

Remember the Xbox360 can already output FULL-HD on component and VGA since end of october 2006, and the Elite will be able to do that with HDMI. This shows the capabilities.


RE: Makes Sense
By Darthefe on 4/4/2007 8:02:00 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The PS3 has only a very slight advantage due to its already built in Blu-Ray and HDMI that can output


Ur mad PS3'S Blu-Ray gives it a huge advantage same as the HDMI. More space = more content. You know why Gears of War is so short( 8 hours ) because of the graphics, it took to much space PS3 can have the same Graphics and longer(Blu-Ray) gameplay and on top of that better Artificial Intelligence(due to the Cell Microprocesser).

If games come out for both platforms and a price drop comes people would favor the PS3 more since more people are familiar with Playstation than X-Box

X-box might have the better Graphics and Architecture but is not able to use these advantages fully due to the simple CPU and only 9GB space to put a whole game in.

On the PS3 you can do a whole lot more than on a X-box 360.

Dont say i a fanboy cause i am not i am just correcting those fags which write bullshit.Since u r one of them stop talking out of your ass.


RE: Makes Sense
By zsouthboy on 4/4/2007 9:48:00 AM , Rating: 2
Gears of War is short because they made it that way.

Sure, Bluray = (potentially) more content.

However, the price of content has escalated enormously - in fact, ask Epic, the Gears of War guys. It's one of the most expensive games so far (to make).

Art is expensive. Programming is expensive. Marketing and distribution is expensive.

It's not getting cheaper to make games.

Pretending that giving developers more space is going to equal longer, prettier, better games is naive.


RE: Makes Sense
By Darthefe on 4/4/2007 11:27:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Pretending that giving developers more space is going to equal longer, prettier, better games is naive.


Dude, what i meant is to give developers some free space and not lock them up in a 9GB disc where they can only use selcted features.

I do get it the Longer the game in most cases the more money it takes to program all the crap.

quote:
Pretending that giving developers more space is going to equal longer, prettier, better games is naive.


I know just because game takes ages to beat dose not mean that it is good but if they are only 5 hours story and the gameplay is only passable why pay 70 euros, it is already unfair enough that we have to pay in Europe 599 Euros which is 800-900 dollars for a PS3 even though we dont have EE+GS we still have to pya more compared to Japan where they have to pay only 319 euros which is half the price. You would want more for ur money.


RE: Makes Sense
By DingieM on 4/4/2007 11:25:38 AM , Rating: 2
Man where did you learn that language.

You have no idea of the technology.
More space on media does not result in better graphics.
It is the total architecture between CPU's, internal memory and GPU('s).
Xbox360 "might" have the better GPU...I'm sorry to say so but its a cold and hard fact that its superior to the RSX.
Developers may (if they have the skills) unlock special graphics tricks further on the Xbox360 than on the PS3. There have been numerous technical investigations on the web that say so.
And then Sony is lying about the specs of their system, and people are just falling for that trap. Its far less powerful than they say. I won't be fooled.

You say better AI through the Cell, now this really shows that you don't understand. Cell has massive calculation bandwith ultimately suited to streaming data. Now AI is about branching and need general purpose CPU's to perform best, for which the PS3 has only one. The 7 SPE's are solely optimized for streaming calculations.
Offcourse the Cell will eventually be able to do tricks that the Xbox360 barely can do, if developers can unlock it that is.
Go read technical articles and if you don't understand them just shut up.

More and more developers are just pissed off by the major drawback of the Cell: complexity.
The Cell isn't designed for games as the nr.1 application, it just isn't.

Sure, the PS3 will be a succes but far less than the PS2.


RE: Makes Sense
By Darthefe on 4/4/2007 11:37:02 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You say better AI through the Cell, now this really shows that you don't understand. Cell has massive calculation bandwith ultimately suited to streaming data. Now AI is about branching and need general purpose CPU's to perform best, for which the PS3 has only one. The 7 SPE's are solely optimized for streaming calculations.


So u are sayig that the CPU of the X-Box 360 would be more powerful than the PS3 my point was that the PS3 had a better CPU. IF i was wrong sorry. And also i did not say that the Graphics of the PS3 was better than the X-box my point was that the IF GEARS OF WAR WAS ALSO ON PS3 THE DEVELOPERES COULD USE THE SAME GRAPHIS FROM THE X-BOX BUT WITH MORE CONTENT THAT WAS SUPPORTING BLU-RAY. And just one Question is the X-box 360 only slightly better in Grahics or considerebly.


RE: Makes Sense
By sinisterDei on 4/4/2007 3:26:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
my point was that the IF GEARS OF WAR WAS ALSO ON PS3 THE DEVELOPERES COULD USE THE SAME GRAPHIS FROM THE X-BOX BUT WITH MORE CONTENT THAT WAS SUPPORTING BLU-RAY


Yes, we all got your point. HIS POINT, and now mine, is that the storage capacity of the media in question (DVD 9GB) was not likely the defining limitation for why Gears of War was a short game. One of the advantages of using a common format disc (DVD9) is that its pretty easy to see how full the disc is - simply stick it in a DVD drive and make a disc image and see how big the file is. I don't happen to have a copy of Gears of War handy, but thanks to the wonders of the internet and peoples love for posting game "backups" on various torrent sites, in the timespan of about 30 seconds I was able to determine the Gears of War DVD image is only about 6.5 GB in size. That means that nearly 30% of the DVD9 disc isn't even being used for Gears of War - so its pretty obvious they haven't hit any kind of storage limitation.

Your point, Darthefe, is that if MS had gone with BluRay or HDDVD as their game format, there would be more space for content. However, that is completely invalid with regards to Gears, since Epic didn't even use all the storage capacity already available to them. You are wrong on this one ; get over it.


RE: Makes Sense
By Darthefe on 4/5/2007 5:42:03 AM , Rating: 2
Dude i took gears of war as an example i did not mean it that it took up the whole space. Geez


RE: Makes Sense
By doctor sam adams on 4/8/2007 10:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
That's not necessarily true; it may be that they targeted to fill one DVD and only hit 6.5 GB in the end. You can't control exactly the size of a such a huge finished program.


RE: Makes Sense
By peternelson on 4/4/2007 9:56:25 AM , Rating: 2
It's kinda obvious that sales would reduce even without supply or logistics problems.

If PS3 sales continued or increased from the sales rate of the first two days, there would be more PS3 than the population of the planet before very long, clearly unrealistic.

It's true I've seen no UK marketing except (empty) boxes at games stores and the reviews in specialist gaming magazines. It's selling itself, and they could have saved the 200K on giveaway televisions because those people would have bought the PS3 anyway thus no difference.

You have to remember it's a high priced piece of equipment so a major purchase.

A minority may have just bought it in speculation of flipping it on ebay for pure $$$ (based on the US launch) but I don't think there's much of that. Most people actually wanted the console.

Evidence of this is I don't see any in secondhand gaming stores like my local cex (computer exchange) store, whereas I do see used x360s for sale.

So I think Sony are doing OK with PS3. I haven't ever used one but it seems like a good console/bluray player/linux computer and not such bad value against the "Elite" xbox.


RE: Makes Sense
By unipidity on 4/4/2007 10:43:00 AM , Rating: 2
Working in PC Games retail, I can shed more light on this matter. Though the numbers given above might well be accurate, and a fair reflection of the real reason for the drop in sales, they do NOT reflect my experience.

My store got a large number of PS3s in. In the region of 90. We sold about 25 on the midnight launch and another 25 over the next 2 days. We still have 30 left two weeks later. Absolutely bugger all interest.

The Wii, on the other hand; we have sold in the region of 250, but have another 50 people on the books (deposit required) and are constantly hassled by people phoning and walking into the store. We could easily sell another 200 in a week, if we were the sole supplier in our area. 360s continue to sell well, but are freaking unreliable; a 20% return rate might be realistic!!!


RE: Makes Sense
By unipidity on 4/4/2007 10:44:58 AM , Rating: 2
Oh; there is a rumor on the grapevine that the elite will debut at only £300 with some game or other. I cant imagine that the premium(old) will stay at 280 if that IS true.


No fun
By BMFPitt on 4/3/2007 3:43:39 PM , Rating: 5
No insane quotes from Sony execs? What a letdown...




RE: No fun
By yacoub on 4/3/2007 3:47:13 PM , Rating: 4
Give them time. Ken Katamari could be on his way to London for a press conference as we speak--er type.


RE: No fun
By BladeVenom on 4/3/2007 6:29:26 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation," said Sony UK managing director Ray Maguire.

That's not good enough for you?


RE: No fun
By BMFPitt on 4/4/2007 8:29:42 AM , Rating: 2
That's an old one...


PS3 << *
By Lonyo on 4/3/2007 3:07:26 PM , Rating: 5
"Do you have any Wii's in stock?"
"Unfortunately not, those things are like fairy dust. We can sell you a PS3 though"
"That's not the sort of thing I'm looking for"

This in a shop with PS3's for £360.
After the initial rush for those who just had to have one, no one else really wants one.




RE: PS3 << *
By stromgald on 4/3/2007 3:16:36 PM , Rating: 5
Hmmm, I guess Americans aren't the only "cheap" people.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6630


RE: PS3 << *
By oTAL (blog) on 4/4/2007 9:04:05 AM , Rating: 2
Another myth doomed to be perpetuated forever, together with the likes of "640K ought to be enough for everybody" and "I invented the internet".

Misquotes!!! The guy never said that. He was severely misinterpreted by journalists trying to grab headlines.


RE: PS3 << *
By peternelson on 4/4/2007 2:12:03 PM , Rating: 2
Which shop is selling PS3 for £360???

All the ones I saw online and offline in stores are sticking with the £425 SRP rigidly.

Probably more interest if PS3 is that cheap.

Or was your 360 some reference to the unreliable MS console?


Pricetag
By jay2o01 on 4/3/2007 3:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
How does sony justify that the Euro PS3 is actually more expensive than both North American/Japanese models? $824 seems a bit high, especially after they cut the Emotion Engine out to save on costs... Sony's learned a new trick, in addition to overpromising/underdelivering they now also overcharge. Poor UK gamers, seem to have gotten the shaft...




RE: Pricetag
By mcq01 on 4/3/2007 5:50:46 PM , Rating: 3
We always get the shaft, whether its a PS3, TV, car or anything else you can think of. If its for sale here in the UK, you can get it cheaper else where!


RE: Pricetag
By Bremen7000 on 4/3/2007 8:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
As was pointed out in another article's comments, the UK has mandatory warranty periods/etc that likely drive up these prices. Enjoy your higher quality of service and quit bitching!


RE: Pricetag
By bkm32 on 4/4/2007 10:02:44 AM , Rating: 2
It would appear that Sony is attempting to "break even" with their Euro-Aussie launches (although the PS3 is more expensive in the UK and Australia).

$824 seems close the actual per unit component costs estimated previously by isupply. What I don't understand is the Aussie launch price is about $999 USD. What gives? There seems to be some hidden costs here, like shipping.

I can't figure it out since Australia is closer than Europe. It seems shipping "down-under" would be cheaper ($$ per mile and such). Are there some extra taxes that inflate the costs?

I admit my ignorance when it comes to import-export machinations.


What?
By Tsuwamono on 4/3/2007 3:08:21 PM , Rating: 4
Whats this? people arent buying the PS3? why ever would they not want a PS3?




RE: What?
By nfin1ty on 4/3/07, Rating: -1
RE: What?
By feelingshorter on 4/3/2007 3:23:45 PM , Rating: 5
His sarcasm flew way over your head there.
WOOOOOSH.


More of Sony's brilliant comments....
By MDme on 4/3/2007 3:13:05 PM , Rating: 2
"Many people are saying we're now joining the next-generation console era, but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation,"

nuff said.

Anyway, how did the 360 and Wii do in the same week?




RE: More of Sony's brilliant comments....
By INeedCache on 4/4/2007 8:08:49 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think they've stepped over, I think they stepped in.


By crystal clear on 4/4/2007 9:52:15 AM , Rating: 1
The Classic TEN Collection-

"Ten things Sony execs may regret saying about the PS3"

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/28/ten_top_ps...


whered they get the initial launch data?
By someguy123 on 4/3/2007 3:50:03 PM , Rating: 1
Because honestly I've seen massive amounts of pictures etc. where stores were PACKED with ps3's during launch and there were only 2-3 people waiting to get one.




RE: whered they get the initial launch data?
By Griswold on 4/3/2007 4:53:50 PM , Rating: 2
I read about the launch in germany, in sony's own sony center in berlin. A thousand people attended the midnight party but only an estimated 150 actually bought one at the sony style store there - word is, there were about as many press people as actual buyers. Thats hype.

And now, in the shops around here, its the same as everywhere in the world: loads of PS3 on shelves but virtually no wii.


By someguy123 on 4/3/2007 6:09:59 PM , Rating: 2
thats what i mean....supposidly they've sold 165,000 of the 200,000 units shipped, and yet stores in europe are still packed with ps3s.

Doesn't make any sense.


By Mudvillager on 4/3/2007 4:27:44 PM , Rating: 2
lol?




By shiznit on 4/4/2007 2:14:06 AM , Rating: 2
Whats even more ridiculous is that Sony wasn't even planning to build a GPU into the PS3 until they realized that the Cell renders 3d as well as a toaster, it's not much better at out-of-order code either (AI, physics, etc...) and gamers don't care how fast they can fold proteins. The spu's are quite good at decoding high-bitrate HD video for all those glorified cutscenes the japanese call games so they should be ok over there lol.


"created the real next generation"
By bubbacub616 on 4/3/07, Rating: 0
By fil6786 on 4/3/2007 3:21:45 PM , Rating: 3
Its not arrogance.
It's CRACK


By RussianSensation on 4/3/2007 4:49:40 PM , Rating: 3
"Many people are saying we're now joining the next-generation console era, but I believe we've stepped over the current next-gen to create the real next-generation," said Sony UK managing director Ray Maguire." That's what we've done with just about every single component in the PS3 [except we forgot to release the most important part of a gaming system - that is any next generation games] *corrected*

If Sony released Metal Gear Solid, Gran Tourismo and a couple other truly next-gen games, then perhaps people would be buying PS3 by truckload. Right now Xbox360 simply crushes PS3 in terms of the amount of quality games and almost every single game that is shared between the 2 consoles is better on the 360.




Lots of comments always with Sony?
By Timeless on 4/4/2007 2:24:24 PM , Rating: 2
Why is any article with the words "Sony" and "PS3" always hit with the most comments and usually the most bashing of most articles on DailyTech? And most of the time it's to bash the Sony execs... Seriously...I'm kind of tired that a lot of people come on these articles just to bash on Sony.

On the a better note, I just got Wii but I still enjoy my PS3 better. Anyone want a 1 week old Wii? Sell for $199.99 USD.




By crystal clear on 4/4/2007 11:38:36 PM , Rating: 1
"It doesn't look good. Most of continental Europe pays €599 or €600 for a PS3, New Yorkers pay $650 (€328) and Tokyo buyers cough up ¥59,980 (€381)."

Now you know WHY ! ! !


UK only the start...
By jarman on 4/3/2007 3:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the trend throughout the EU. I saw an awful lot of PS3s sitting idle on store shelves in Germany last week (Berlin, Stuttgart, and Munich). On the other hand, Wiis we're few and far between...




By hrah20 on 4/3/2007 4:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
here in mexico the ps3 cost close to a 1000 dls

http://www.sanborns.com.mx/sanborns/product.asp?sk...




Can you people do math?
By michal1980 on 4/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: Can you people do math?
By encryptkeeper on 4/4/2007 9:21:31 AM , Rating: 2
That would be a valid point, if you weren't a complete idiot. Have you ever imagined that half of your problem in life is due to the fact that you can put nothing in true perspective? The US now sells that 120 or 130 thousand units a month after 4 months of release! 100,000 units a month is NOT a poor selling number, but an 82% drop after the FIRST WEEK suggests that the sales in the first week were mainly due to lack of interest after release.

By the way, 220,000-82% is actually 40,000, but I figured you might know how to use a calculator, I mean how to do math. Guess I shouldn't trust you to do that either.


Um Pardon Me Ray... ?
By xphile on 4/3/2007 7:27:16 PM , Rating: 2
"...or the Blu-ray component which is the way to get 60GB of data into the marketplace..."

Hey Ray, last time I looked even a full double layer Blu-ray disc only held 50GB, so how you get 60GB on to it REALLY IS a breakthrough achievement. Or maybe you just dont really know anything about your products except the marketing speel someone incorrectly wrote for you.

Hmm, Sony exec.. yeah I think I will go with the latter. Of course if you keep up this kind of stupid commentary on your products you can introduce a new technology all by yourself... what about "Red-Ray", as we watch you open your mouth, words come out and your face magically changes colour...




DT PS3 bias
By Chaser on 4/3/2007 11:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well of course Dailytech doesn't bother to report that the PS3 sold 600,000 units in Europe over the first opening weekend.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=1561...

Dailytech played their waiting game so they could dig up something negative again.

What's with these guys and their very obvious bias against the PS3?




Europe Loves PS3, Buys 600,000
By Chaser on 4/3/2007 11:37:51 PM , Rating: 2
Kotaku:

After record breaking sales figures were announced in the UK for Sony's latest PlayStation, it should come as little surprise that the rest of Europe so ravenously snapped up PLAYSTATION 3s. True, at €599, moving some 600,000 PS3s into gamers hands is a little surprising, but Europe loves them some PlayStations.

The BBC reports that of the 1 million PS3s shipped to retailers, 60 percent were sold through to customers. We're not sure if bacon butties were the main draw for consumers or if it was confusion that each PS3 comes with a Sony Bravia 46" HDTV, but something must've gotten into those Euros.




By Chaser on 4/3/2007 11:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
The UK numbers for the PS3 launch went global early, partly because it broke the sales record for a console launch and partly because the numbers were readily available. It took a bit longer to gather in all the sales statistics from around Europe, but by yesterday afternoon, Eurogamer had provided an early total: 600,000.

Of the one million systems shipped to the region for the launch - which is far and away more than the paltry 200,000 sent to the U.S. and the 80,000 to Japan - 600,000 have been sold so far. The number began to circulate two days ago but went unconfirmed until a representative came right out and said it to Eurogamer.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1020.html




SONY-This is CHEATING ! ! !
By crystal clear on 4/4/2007 3:58:19 AM , Rating: 1
Quote-
"Many have commented on the relatively high price point compared to competing game systems like the Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox 360."

Response-

Many should be COMPLAINING the "relatively high price point compared to PS3 in USA &JAPAN".

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for this HIGH PRICE POINT !!!!

SONY SHOULD HAVE A UNIVERSAL PRICE SYSTEM IN USD + local taxes.

BUY PS3 ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD YOU SHOULD PAY ITS DOLLAR (USD)EQUIVALENT ! ! !

REFER-
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=6713&...

Inspiration ! ! !
By crystal clear on 3/31/07, Rating: 2
By crystal clear on 3/31/2007 4:39:25 AM , Rating: 2

"THE REGISTER" & "The Wall Street Journal". -Read

DAILY TECH & CRYSTAL CLEAR (comments).

I made a comment a few days back(my comments are original) -they took inspiration from the comment & put up their own Article on this(see the dates)-

My comment-03/27/07 3:03:23 AM

F.C. rates-YEN & USD to the EURO & STERLING????
By crystal clear on 3/27/07, Rating: 3
By crystal clear on 3/27/2007 3:03:23 AM , Rating: 3

"There appears to be some further explanation needed on the context of Maguire’s comments"

Ask this guy a simple question & you will shut him up!!!!!

What about EXCHANGE RATES??

Convert the selling price (YEN)of PS3 in Japan to EURO OR THE STERLING???????THEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE????

Convert the (USD) price of PS3 in USA to EURO or STERLING?
see the Difference??

ADD YOU VAT etc- still "some further explanation needed "

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=6630&...

They (The Register) put up this(3 days later)-

Brits pay 42% more for a PS3 than Hong Kong buyers do
30th March 2007 15:06 GMT

In Hong Kong, the PS3 retails for an average price of HKD3,780 - or €363. In London, the local price is £425 - or €627. In short, Brits have to pay almost twice as much for the next-gen games console than Hong Kong residents too
Blame taxes, Sony says. But even with VAT (17.5 per cent) and UK import duty (10 per cent) it's hard to see the PS3 coming in at more than €470, and that's assuming the Hong Kong price is tax, duty and retailer margin free.

It doesn't look good. Most of continental Europe pays €599 or €600 for a PS3, New Yorkers pay $650 (€328) and Tokyo buyers cough up ¥59,980 (€381).

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/30/ps3_price_...




By crystal clear on 4/4/2007 11:42:28 PM , Rating: 1
NOW I REFUSE TO BELIEVE SONYs CLAIMS THAT THEY ARE SELLING THE PS3 AT LOSS ! ! ! !


Makes more sense!
By Chase Tacos on 4/4/2007 8:13:46 AM , Rating: 2
ok so the PS3 is priced at £425 ($834 USD) in UK.
Sales dropped 80%.... if you think about it not everyone has £425 ($834 USD) which means the people who did have that kind of money went ahead and bought it as they needed it (high sales). Now the people without that kind of money are finding ways to get that money to buy the PS3 (low sales).




What a joke...
By DEVGRU on 4/4/2007 11:21:15 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure no one will read this as its damn near at the bottom, but oh well.

$834 USD for a PS3 in Europe? $900+ USD in Aussie Land? What a joke.

Sorry, but for $834 someone can build a PC that can kick the crap out of the PS3 in any performance category you choose to mention.

From personal experience, it seems PS3 owners are akin to Apple owners (zealots). Which is all fine and dandy - different strokes. However, I have a simple view regarding both.

Say Apple could make the best computer in the world and Sony could make the best console in the world and sell each for $1.00... I walk into any B&M store and I see rows of software for PC's and rows of software for consoles (including PS1/2), yet all Apple and PS3 software share a shelf.

Sorry, but they're not getting my $1.00.

I hear and see alot of sales figures being thrown around. What I want to know is how these 'sales numbers' reflect actual numbers sold to end users, not just sold to the channel. Microsoft (Vista) and Sony are both touting huge sales numbers which are downright false. Both companies may have sold a number of units to suppliers who in turn sell to the end user (Dell, Gateway, etc. for Vista and Best Buy, Fry's, etc. for the PS3) but in both cases - after the initial Fan Boy surge in the opening sales figures, both have then tanked dramatically. Yet both Sony and Microsoft are saying "Look at the huge numbers we've moved!" When in reality the numbers are moving from warehouse to warehouse and not into anyones home - where it counts.




By Mudvillager on 4/3/2007 4:27:30 PM , Rating: 1
lol?




RE: oh dear!!sony arent looking in good shape now!
By Lakku on 4/3/2007 6:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
Why would you buy a more expensive stand alone player, when the PS3 is in fact the best Blu-Ray player on the market right now? (Or, was, better ones may be out, but not for under 1k here in the US, I can only imagine them being 1500 or more in the UK) It's been the case that the Xbox and PS2 were not good DVD players, and this is true. The 360 is not a great HD-DVD player compared to stand alone players, and this is true. However, in this case, the PS3 is actually a good Blu-Ray player, and up until recently, the only one with HDMI 1.3 out. Make a long story short, the PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player on the market at its price, and can be argued to be the best at any price.


By gzubeck on 4/3/2007 10:02:24 PM , Rating: 2
That's probably how sony intended this item to be a 50/50 proposition...If this thing plays within 90% quality of the regular blu-ray then its a steal at $600 in the US...maybe when they get the design down to 45nm will the PS3 price drop to $400. I just can't see it dropping any further unless they really figure out how to make this cheaper and still maintain the quality...They must really be banking on making it up on software/movie licensing in a big way...


RE: oh dear!!sony arent looking in good shape now!
By Death on 4/3/2007 9:25:21 PM , Rating: 1
Wow... Seems from your post you have the average intelligence of a 360 or Wii owner.


By Gatt on 4/4/2007 12:21:52 AM , Rating: 2
Better than someone who dropped $600+ on a machine with no games that aren't available elsewhere, and has no more power than it's competitor...


By brandontres on 4/4/2007 1:28:09 AM , Rating: 2
These are just some suggestions that no one has to pay attention to:

It doesn't make sense to insult someone based on what they buy. If someone says something you don't agree with, please realize that this is their opinion. If you disagree, instead of making generalizations or insulting them, you could explain why you feel different and leave it at that. Its pointless to insult.

"Wow... Seems from your post you have the average intelligence of a 360 or Wii owner."

(followed by)

"Better than someone who dropped $600+ on a machine with no games that aren't available elsewhere, and has no more power than it's competitor..."

The console you buy doesn't reflect on your intelligence. It reflects on a person's preference.

I bought a Wii cause I prefer Nintendo's exclusive games such as Zelda, Mario, and Metroid and I get my FPS fix on PC (oh, and I like that I can play the Wii with my parents, sister, non-gaming friends, etc). You can feel free to spend $600 on a PS3 if you prefer it. I don't care and I'd love to hear why you like the PS3. I won't insult you. If thats what you enjoy, its your money. If you wanna buy a 360, thats fine too. Who cares?

Just my thoughts and I don't mean to be critical to anyone's character...


By gradoman on 4/5/2007 1:39:13 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, someone with a sense! If I had a decent tv and money, I'd buy all three consoles. Alas, I am poor, so I will stick to my xbox...

:-(


By bkm32 on 4/6/2007 9:47:37 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, Sony is looking in pretty good shape. NPD Group posted the sales (not shipping) numbers for the period between Nov 06 and Feb 07. The numbers were surprising to say the least:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20070405/tc_nf/51279;_y...

Sony's expensive machine in second place. Granted it's not in first, but considering the price and the public beating everyone has been giving the PS3, its doing fairly well.

Keep in mind, you can buy two Wiis for the price of a PS3 (60GB). Therefore, Sony's console revenues are higher than anyone else's albeit they are still losing money on each system sold.

As for MS, "Gears of War" is most likely the main reason 1M X360s were even sold. I'm sure a secondary reason being the price of the PS3 relegated consumers to the "next most-powerful" system.

MS wake up! MS had a great opportunity to pull ahead in this race. All they had to do was reduce the price of "Core" system to $249.99 and the "Premium" to $349.99 during the launches of the Wii and PS3. This was grossly poor planning on MS' part, and someone should be fired for this oversight and resulting numbers quoted in the above article.

This will most likely change in the second-quarter, although the Wiis numbers will contiue to grow, I expect the PS3 numbers to drop dramatically now that all of the globe's first adopters have statiated their "I gotta have first" lusts.

MS, you need a price drop, not an "Elite" system. Heck, give consumers a bundle with a couple free games from the first year (Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero). Granted, those two games are pretty irrelvant now, but at least you won't lose any $$ by wrapping them in. Besides, if consumers don't like them, then they're getting two coasters for free!

MS, bring it home! Stop screwing around.


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