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Changing circumstances delay extradition proceedings even further

British courts granted 42-year-old UK computer hacker Gary McKinnon a judicial review into the extradition proceedings levied against him by the United States, shortly after he was diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome and assessed as a possible suicide threat.

McKinnon is currently wanted in the United States for breaking into U.S. military networks in order to hunt for classified information on UFOs. According to U.S. prosecutors, McKinnon broke into 97 computers, belonging to everything from the Department of Defense to the U.S. Air Force to NASA, and caused nearly $1m worth of damage.

At one time, U.S. officials allege, McKinnon deleted critical information from U.S. Army systems that ended up knocking more than 2000 computers offline in Washington, DC.

McKinnon admitted responsibility for his crimes, and in a BBC interview referred to himself as a “bumbling computer nerd” uninterested in wreaking havoc.

He also admitted, however, that towards the end of his escapades his actions became a bit more dire –going so far as to leave U.S. authorities a calling card in the form of a anti-war notes displayed on hacked systems’ computer screens.

“I think I almost wanted to be caught, because it was ruining me,” said McKinnon, referring to how his quest eventually turned into an addiction that had him foregoing friends, food, and even cleanliness. “I had this classic thing of wanting to be caught so there would be an end to it.”

If extradited, McKinnon faces 8-10 years in a medium- or high-security U.S. prison and a $250,000 fine – a far cry from the three or four years he thought he’d get in UK courts.

Complicating the proceedings was his recent diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome, a form of autism, as well as revelations from his ex-girlfriend that extradition would likely make him suicidal. Opponents of the review argued the thread to his health would be low.

“We are overjoyed that the British courts have shown sense and compassion,” said McKinnon’s mother in a statement to the press. “We have always been outraged by the Home Office's decision to have him extradited to stand trial in a foreign land where he would face an out-of-proportion sentence for what is essentially a crime of eccentricity.”

U.S. authorities originally tried to negotiate a plea bargain with McKinnon: if he came to the U.S. willingly, he’d face a lenient 6-to-12 months at a minimum-security prison and then immediately be repatriated back to the UK. McKinnon objected, however, claiming that such a deal was a violation of his human rights because it would force him to admit guilt.



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the idea of deportation is propostorous
By bluemagic on 1/24/2009 2:09:27 PM , Rating: 5
Regardless of whether this individual has a disease or affliction, America has no say in the matter.

Just because we have a good relationship with a neighbour is no reason to give up our citizens rights each and every time a country flexes their muscles.

If we choose to send someone packing then it is our choice and this will be decided at this review. Now a murder charge or fraud or embezelment on the other hand is quite different where actual harm has been caused. I mean come on, the guy left anti war notes on some of the systems! He is clearly childish and looking for attention.

I do accept that there are exceptions but he was "IN THE UK" when the acts were commited therefore the UK should punish him. America should also be involved in the trial and in my mind all data on him and his actions disclosed.

Can anyone cite a precedant where that has occured? I am not aware of any. But he should not be deported where if found guilty he wont even have family to visit him. The thought of deportation is ridiculous to say the least.

Every government should be reviewing their security. I am sure these kinds of breaches are being purpetrated all over the place with a lot more malicious intentions behind them.

I must admit that his belief that he found plans for the development of a "space force" interesting, it reminds me of enders game, but I bet not even he knows exactly what that entailed.

http://www.scmagazineuk.com/NASA-hacker-to-make-Ho...




RE: the idea of deportation is propostorous
By yomamafor1 on 1/24/2009 6:12:26 PM , Rating: 1
That's the most BSing comment I've ever heard.

This is not about US flexing muscles. This is not about how childish this person is. This is not about his intention. This person hacked into sensitive computer database in order to retrieve classified information for his enjoyment. He committed an international crime, broke US laws, and US has every right to extradite him back to face the consequences.

A better analogy would be that your neighbor hacked into your router just because he wanted to find out what kind of pr0ns you have on the computer. In the process of doing so, he crippled your cable box, which you have set up to record your favorite TV show. Now this kid's parents argued that he should not be sent to your house and take a look at the damages he caused, because his intention was not vicious, and he could faint?

I'm all for reducing his sentence to "teach" him a lesson, but he at least needs to admit his crime, and be serve his sentence HERE, the land where he caused havoc, and broke the law.


RE: the idea of deportation is propostorous
By niva on 1/25/2009 8:26:45 AM , Rating: 2
Uh, of course this is about the US flexing its political muscles. This isn't their citizen, the only reason why this discussion is even happening is because we have such good ties with Britain. If this guy was Russian... anyways, I'm not sure you even grasp that concept.

Secondly, the US should be thankful an autistic kid hacked their computers. This is a sure sign there is something wrong with the system's security if a total halwit who believes in UFOs can get in and do damages.

Thanks!


By William Gaatjes on 1/26/2009 3:20:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Secondly, the US should be thankful an autistic kid hacked their computers. This is a sure sign there is something wrong with the system's security if a total halwit who believes in UFOs can get in and do damages.


People with asperger are usually not dumb but have similair or higher IQ's then people without asperger. People with asperger just have more social problems due to not proper recognising body language and facial expressions. Also they might have problems talking with people cause they have a tendency of taking everything literally.
Furthermore , people with asperger recognize and realize they are different but are not able to solve their problem while they do try with maximum effort. This can be very stressfull and can lead to reccuring depressions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome


By Proteusza on 1/26/2009 5:45:26 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

Half the reason they want to extradite him is because they are embarrassed that their "state of the art" computer systems were hacked by one lonely nerd looking for info on UFOs. Imagine what the Chinese or the Russians could have done if they had known how lax security was.

Whats wrong with the guy being tried in the UK? If its an international crime, let him be tried in international court, like the UN has. Why send him over to the US? It costs a lot of money, and he could just serve his prison sentence here.


By yomamafor1 on 1/26/2009 12:53:13 PM , Rating: 2
The reason we're discussing this is because a person from UK has broke the US law, and UK and US has extradition treaty. This has nothing to do with whether US is flexing muscle or not. I'm not even sure you grasp that concept.

US should be thankful? Are you suggesting that US government should actually give a medal to this person for hacking their computer networks for classified information, while causing millions of dollars of damages?


By slyadams on 1/25/2009 6:40:25 PM , Rating: 5
Let me ask you this. If you went on to a message board hosted in the middle east and posted a picture of a topless woman, would you be happy if the US extradited you to serve the time that you would be given if you lived in that country?

I'm not drawing any conclusions myself, but your analogy of the child hacker would surely conclude with the neighbours getting to decide the child's punishment, rather than the parents. Certainly not just 'going to take a look'.


By Regs on 1/25/2009 6:41:44 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you for the most part bluemagic. He should be tried in the UK and we should all applaud the UK for taking swift and just action on their citizen no matter of the results.

As for the degree of the offense though I disagree. His motive is really non-essential to his case. All it does in my opinion is prove his guilt. By hacking very sensitive material and putting the Pentagon, or other government entities which function to protect the public, on high-alert puts every one of us in danger or at a degree of risk. Though we also have a humanitarian responsibility to prosecute an individual justly and proportionately to the crime. In this case hacking government agencies and entities.

I think it's a very dangerous road to travel if we want to justify a crime, one carefully written and worded for the protection of others and for the greater good, for ones selfish motivations.

If he is mentally incapable of knowing what's right and wrong, then that is the job of the UK officials.


RE: the idea of deportation is propostorous
By Proteusza on 1/26/2009 5:46:56 AM , Rating: 1
Its funny that, if an American hacker broke into the UK government systems, the UK government would complement the USA government on the skillers of their hackers and ask them to stop nicely. Or they would be forced to send a firmly worded letter. Handwritten.


By Proteusza on 1/26/2009 5:47:44 AM , Rating: 2
Oops I meant skills not skillers. Wish we had an edit button...


RE: the idea of deportation is propostorous
By kelmon on 1/27/2009 8:11:00 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely correct. It's not as though the US will extradite its citizens to the UK to face charges so I see absolutely no reason why we should play ball with them on this issue either.

Frankly, I don't understand the tech community's obsession with this case. Seriously, who cares?


By bluemagic on 3/29/2009 9:53:22 PM , Rating: 2
I particularily liked slyadams opinon on this and thats basically what my whole argument and opinion boils down to.

In this particular instance I think it is something our community "The UK" should take care of ... with my tax contributions gladly;)

Here comes the idealism-
I also hate the idea of borders and country's ... I would love to see all cultures, countries working together peacefully, but I dont see that starting to happen for another 200 years, if indeed we even make it that far.


Gary may be coming to the U.S.?
By Beenthere on 1/24/09, Rating: 0
RE: Gary may be coming to the U.S.?
By Ticholo on 1/24/2009 2:18:12 PM , Rating: 1
Not debating your point, but when you say HIS "paid liars", you really mean ANYONE's "paid liars", as that generalisation could really be applied to any lawyer defending someone.


By MamiyaOtaru on 1/24/2009 10:19:31 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously. But OP was talking about his lawyers, hence "his paid liars".


By qdemn7 on 1/24/2009 10:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sick and tired of hearing about this clown. Settle it once and for all and let him do his time.




reciprocity
By amagriva on 1/26/2009 8:25:09 AM , Rating: 2
In my country four US air force pilot killed twenty people flying low for a bet (some keg of beer involved) and cutting the cable of a cable car in a ski resort in the north of Italy. Do you think they came in Italy to face the trial? More recent: On February 2003 CIA agents kidnapped Abu Omar, as he walked to mosque in Milan for prayers. He was later takeen to Egypt for some torture games There are now 26 EU arrest warrants for U.S. citizens in connection to this event. I can see their arms waving and saying goodbye to us...




fu
By SPOOOK on 1/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: fu
By FaceMaster on 1/24/2009 5:44:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
die you pice of shit go to hell f@@k your alment most people in jail are sick and have many mentel disorders


are you one of them?


RE: fu
By Chocobollz on 1/25/2009 3:13:37 AM , Rating: 2
He surely did..


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