inquiry launched by the University
of East Anglia in eastern England has confirmed that the
e-mails stolen from its Climatic Research Unit revealed
no evidence that the case for human-affected global warming
as this controversy has been called, started in November 2009 when
hackers broke into the university's climate research unit's system
and leaked thousands of e-mails and other documents onto the
Internet. Through review of the leaked e-mails, climate change
skeptics have accused
the research unit of misconduct, saying that they've withheld
scientific information, deleted and/or manipulated raw data to make
the case for global warming seem stronger than it really is, and
interfered with the peer-review process to prevent those who disagree
with the case of global warming from publishing scientific research.
previous investigation in April concluded that there was no
malpractice, and on Wednesday, after the third investigation was led
by former civil servant Muir Russell, it was decided that the e-mails
contained no proof that would ruin the case for manmade
global warming. Also, Russell's defense of the Climatic Research
Unit noted that e-mails "put forward" by the United
Nations'Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC) did not contain anything that would
undermine the concept of human-caused global warming either.
in the e-mails like "hide the decline" and "trick"
were what set the skeptics off and push them to voice concerns all
over blogs and other forms of media. But the report said "hide
the decline" was just misleading and the word "trick"
was possibly shorthand for a significant mathematical approach to a
were also criticized for not responding to questions about
climate change data openly under Britain's freedom of information
rigor and honesty as scientists are not in doubt," the report
said. "We did not find any evidence of behavior that might
undermine the conclusions of the IPCC.
found a tendency to answer the wrong question or to give a partial
Acton, the university's vice chancellor, was pleased with the
inquiry's findings and hopes it ends any remaining "conspiracy
theories and untruths" being passed around the Internet and in
the media. Police are continuing to search for the hackers who leaked
quote: we looked into ourselves and as it turns out, we discovered we were right.
quote: Who was also a former government man.
quote: Scenario 2: OMG every time a cow farts a penguin gets a sunburn! we all need to stop farming and eat cattle NOW. Nobody drive cars!!!
quote: government response? omg your kidding, here's 23423423432 million more towards your research, we want to know MOAR. In the meantime, lets elect and hire our buddies to fabricate environmental divisions dedicated towards this. Its only taxpayer money. As long as you buy me a few Lamborghini's I will sign off on it (lobby funding is the pc name for bribes).
quote: There's no government response to this?
quote: There's no agenda behind my post, but there certainly is an agenda behind all those who stand to gain from a carbon tax and newer "greener" devices designed to displace. This is an entire industry waiting to benefit and gain from this.Who is bribing/getting bribed you say? Who isn't?
quote: And carbon tax - who stands to gain from that?
quote: Will the money truly go towards the people?
quote: Or in reality will it be given to said new government division or lost in some other department while only rising costs for consumers.
quote: I see you didn't point out where Obama got all that money from BP?
quote: You just happen to leave out many things from your articles if it casts your opinion in any doubt.
quote: Call me Cynical but The government doesn't tax for charity, I think a large part of that money wouldn't go to alternative energy even if that was the proposed legislation. By the time it reached the last signature it would be riddled with pork barrels even if it was created with direct intentions (unlikely).
quote: We wont benefit from a carbon tax.
quote: Sad thing is, the same can be said of people with your view point. Even more sad are the ones like you that don't see any problem as long as your side is doing it.
quote: I've read many of the emails in question. Clearly, they're defensive. But people do get personal about their research. I didn't read anything that showed that they engaged in manipulation of their data. Now that the university has cleared them of wrong-doing, cynics are simply shouting conspiracy. Somehow, cries of conspiracy never seem to go the other way towards corporate claims. Shuuuuuure. Offshore drilling is safe. Just a couple of years ago, this same lobby was shouting, "Drill baby, drill!"
quote: How much do nameless environmental groups spend to stop companies in court when companies are following the rules.
quote: How much are environmentalist spending on lobbying against energy?
quote: Its a complex issue, but I don't want to kill our economy over bad science.
quote: If you actually bothered to read the report you would know.
quote: If CRU methods or science were flawed then why didn't the critic use this opportunity to stick the knife in?
quote: Yeah I know I can't prove that governments stand to gain vast sums of money from global warming, because the opposite is true. However, I can prove that.
quote: Would LOVE to see you actually prove that. Don't most of these scientists have grants from the government and other places that stand to get vastly rich off global warming?
quote: there are no governments getting vastly rich off of global warming. I'm trying to think of any government that is vastly rich at all, and which does not derive their revenue primarily from oil production. Nothing comes to mind. Furthermore, there is no incentive for elected government officials to make government vastly rich. Monarchs who can just hoard the money for themselves, sure, but not elected officials.
quote: They don't fill the vaults with money, they take it(TAX), and spend it on lining the pockets of the people/groups that support them, and to fund their pet projects.
quote: So if we're assessing things based on the influence of political contributions, I think I easily win the debate.
quote: Global warming legislation leads to higher taxes on energy and expands from there.
quote: You think to small.
quote: You need to understand the elitism of government who want to control thought and behavior. To have us do what is "good" for us. And to not do the things that are "bad" for us. For the common good. They believe they know what is best, and will force it upon us, for our own good, because we don't know any better. It all equals less freedom for the individual, geared toward whatever sacrifices are necessary for the common good.
quote: We all know Wiki is rock solid.This isn't proof, sorry, try again.
quote: If you can't see where any gov. would reap massive "rewards" from global warming, you seriously need to find another line of work/hobby.
quote: No, no, I want you to be a free thinker. You posted this article, you figure it out.
quote: See my post about ScottishPower.
quote: You also trust the gov. and people with possible monetary stake in green tech, investigative role and possibly poised to make a lot of money to be honest? Another WOW! No further digging, nothing at all.
quote: You now downplay ScottishPower as only a PROMOTER of green energy.
quote: "I don't know for sure, although I seriously doubt it."So, you piece an article together, reference Wiki, don't do any deeper research and now you speculate? WOW!
quote: There have been five recent reviews done of leading climate change researchers. The science has been judged as sound
quote: There is literally nothing that can convince them - neither logic nor overwhelming evidence will resonate with them.
quote: Show me a single study...
quote: By the sound of it, you're after absolute confirmation that AGW is real.
quote: By the sound of it, you're after absolute confirmation that AGW is real. I'm afraid, in that case, science is not your answer.
quote: The number of experts that believe something does not make a fact true or false. If it did, then that would mean that at one time the world was truly flat because at one time more experts thought it was than didn't.
quote: But without absolute confirmation that AGW is real, why would there be a problem with someone who does not believe it?
quote: and did NOT review the work they've done.
quote: Why are you spreading blatant dis-truths?
quote: In terms of data collection, all of the data is available for the respective sources
quote: The Muir Russell report also found that the statistical handling done by the UEA CRU was sound.
quote: The Russell report looked specifically into allegations made against the UEA CRU as a result of the email leak.
quote: I think its ludicrous to state that this email scandal broke "scientific consensus
quote: The fact is the majority of climatologists is support the notion of man made global climate change.
quote: I can only assume that you are unfamiliar with the scientific review process and you have not read the investigations into the UEA email scandal.
quote: You call it a "dis-truth", yet the rest of your post does not at all explain how it is a "dis-truth".
quote: noted how the CRU did NOT make all of its data available.
quote: Which contradicts earlier inquiries that found it shocking that they would perform such heavy statistical analysis without a statistician.
quote: Yes, exactly: It did NOT examine the work they've produced. Such a review would take years to do thoroughly. It examined their conduct only, as I stated above.
quote: It is ludicrous; the notion of "scientific consensus" should never have been used as a metric, and common sense would see it as mere agenda-pushing propaganda.
quote: And you would assume incorrectly. It is quite the hubris for you to think that anyone that is actually well-versed in the data and arguments about climate change would have the exact same opinion.
quote: You asserted that the reviews did not look at the science.
quote: The CRU did not generate the temperature readings. They were from Weather stations, which have their data available to others, just because the CRU did not make that data available does not mean that it is not available.
quote: You also made reference to the missing locations to rural Chinese weather station data in the 1990 paper. (I'm quite surprised that you brought up a 1990s paper, as in another post you dismissed a paper because it was 1991,but I'll play along with your double standards)
quote: Jones asserted that any rise was because of global warming, he didn't account for expanding cities.
quote: You don't need to be a statistician to preform analysis.
quote: the standard method for science is that there is a peer-review of the science before the paper is published and then anyone can critique the science there-after.
quote: Obviously some one posting in a random tech forum has 0 bearing when compared to someone prominent in the field.
quote: The investigation was to inquest the leaked emails, it did have to cover some of the science to clear up some of the allegation.
quote: However, when the vast majority of experts, possible over 90% of climatologist, are producing science with seems to state that climate change is a tangible thing.
quote: Apologies if you were just playing devils advocate, I jumped to a conclusion that you were ill informed.
quote: The science has been judged as sound by people infinitely more competent than the skeptics and naysayers found lurking on this website.
quote: What are Mr. Russell's qualifications?
quote: I'm just amused how anytime "science" supports their view these people say "see we were right!" and then when it doesn't everyone just bemoans how corrupt all these scientists are and how the scientists are pushing their agenda even though the scientists *know* they are wrong.
quote: Just so you know "Hide the decline" was referring to tree ring data. From 1880 to 1960 three ring data followed thermometer data, after 1960 the tree ring data showed a cooling no one knows why as of yet so they phased out the tree ring after 1960 to hide the FALSE decline from the tree ring data and used the real thermometer data in it's place.
quote: Saying that one piece of data in a giant pool of data can't be explained as of yet = non consensus is like saying there is no consensus on gravity because we don't know exactly how it works at the quantum level.
quote: but in this case since they actually have the thermometer data it's a moot point. I'm sure your not implying that tree ring data should be used over thermometers?
quote: If you are really saying that there is no consensus on the theory of gravity you are mistaken or have no clue what a theory is.
quote: I realize that your a collage kid on the debate team
quote: that was one of the worst arguments I ever heard and has nothing to do with my OP.
quote: There is no conspiracy on this subject
quote: they have actual thermometer data of which there is no interpretation
quote: temperatures are read
quote: displayed on a graph.
quote: Random numbers into equations? what the hell are you talking about?
quote: Climate models? and what dose that have to do with my OP?
quote: They messed up. The sad thing is though, they might well be right, and have done it for the right reasons, but as soon as you start hiding things from people and being less than honest, then you cannot expect to be believe/trusted.
quote: Leaving the current state and returning to the more usual, harsh environment would be catastrophic.
quote: No, I firmly believe the folks at the CRU are not criminals. I just think they're wrong, and I can point to a number of critical weak points in their work to support my belief.
quote: start pointing.
quote: NO you didn't
quote: Climate gate is nothing but fodder for deniers
quote: Random numbers, you have to be kidding
quote: is use to make predictions of the future.
quote: Weather station shanagans? I assume your talking about pooly placed weather stations, well that would be an issue except their looking for changes in tempature over time not actual tempatures.
quote: Using Big Tobacco as a model, Big Oil & Big Coal, with trillions in revenue to protect, use their massive PR organizations to buy radio talk show hosts and blogsters who deny global warming is happening or, if it is, to claim it isn't their (codeword: "humans") fault.
quote: Conservative religious organizations, who fight science of all kinds, join in.
quote: The success of this propaganda is seen in the number of mindless posts questioning the validity of research or even science itself.
quote: I'm going to continue to drive, eat meat, and do whatever else I want to
quote: ps "hide the effect" is perfectly reasonable in statistics...