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While the country turns down “three strikes,” new agreement will still make UK pirates very uncomfortable

Are you a media pirate? Do you live in the United Kingdom?

If so, be prepared for the deluge of warning letters that will soon be sent your way, followed by possible sanctions – like internet monitoring, speed caps, and blacklisting – from your ISP if you fail to comply.

Widespread opposition to France’s “three-strikes and you’re out” approach to curbing internet piracy – which sees pirates disconnected from the net for a year if caught three times – led UK record labels to request a new kind of remedy, brokered between the country’s six top ISPs and Ofcom, the UK telecommunications authority.

The deal manifests as a memorandum of understanding between the UK music industry association BPI, and ISPs Carphone Warehouse, BT, Virgin Media, Orange, Tiscali, and BSkyB. (A press release posted by at the BPI’s website indicates that the MPAA signed on as well.) Under the MOU’s terms, “hundreds of thousands” of strongly-worded letters will be sent out to suspected internet pirates – giving them a chance to change their ways before more severe punishments set in.

As for the punishments themselves, the specifics are still being worked out. It does not appear that pirates will face legal trouble should they keep getting caught; rather, many speculate that ISPs will degrade service for a set period time – like the aforementioned speed caps – for repeat offenders. Ofcom will facilitate these negotiations, but by and large the UK government promised to stand aside – provided an agreement can be reached. If not, it stands ready to enact additional legislation.

The BPI’s enforcement arm will handle the process of discovering music pirates; ISPs will be tasked with forwarding letters from the BPI and implementing sanctions when necessary. Many worried that ISPs would turn their spying capacity – previously demonstrated in a variety of clandestine advertising experiments – against customers; as luck would have it, this will not be the case.

Critics have raised a variety of concerns over the scheme. What happens when the offender is the child in a household? What happens in cases of computers controlled by hackers or botnets? What happens when the “pirate” is making fair use of the copyright materials he downloads?

Their questions, thus far, remain unanswered amidst the MOU’s “vague” wording.

“This MOU represents a significant step forward, in that all ISPs now recognise their responsibility to help deal with illegal filesharing,” said BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor. “Government has played an important role in bringing all parties together to arrive at this point, but the work really begins now. We look forward to creating the procedures necessary to effectively tackle repeated unlawful filesharing with the other signatories and Ofcom.”



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Doesn't surpize me
By Cogman on 7/25/2008 9:52:18 AM , Rating: 5
I lived in the UK for a couple of years and one of the things I noticed was the governments "Scare them straight" attitude. I didn't have a TV in my apartment nor did I want one, yet every week I would get "You haven't payed your TV tax, if you are found with a tv it will be an X amount Fine." or "Our police have special devices that can detect TVs and we suspect you of having one, pay up" ect. Which was all a bunch of crap BTW but since people don't know the difference that seems a good enough reason for them to pay up (Seriously, you don't have to pay TV tax if you don't receive television broadcasts, IE you use your tv a video player only. So how on earth would they detect and indoor aerial?)

But it doesn't stop their, every bus you get on, ever street you walk down, every mall you shop in. you are greeted with "CCTV cameras operating in this area" on buses you got random statistics about crimes solved by CCTV ect. I even heard one bus drive that was treating someone to get off the bus say "we can take DNA evidence from you and track you down if you persist." (yeah, thats a bunch of crap as well since they have no DNA database and no way of knowing if that is his DNA or someone else's...)

My point is, Fellow AT be ready, even if you don't download anything illegal it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if you started getting bombarded with letters about how piracy is illegal and if you are caught your internet will be terminated. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they use this as a bandwidth control method (They sent out x MB they must be pirating, we'll put a stop to that)




RE: Doesn't surpize me
By arazok on 7/25/2008 10:18:34 AM , Rating: 5
Everything I ever hear about Brittan reinforces by belief that I am fortunate not the live there.

My neighbor is a Brit. A few years ago he came to Canada for a month’s vacation visiting relatives. He was so astounded at the difference in living standards that he up and moved here. I’ll never forget how he described the differences…In N.America, if you are willing to work for it, you can have anything you want. In Brittan, no matter how hard you try, you can never get ahead.

Having spent 2 weeks vacationing there, I could see that he was absolutely right.


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By kelmon on 7/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Doesn't surpize me
By Aloonatic on 7/25/2008 10:56:40 AM , Rating: 5
Truth is probably somewhere between the 2.

Taxes are too high here, mostly to cover Brown's socialist redistribution of wealth scheme.

The class system is still alive and kicking in many respects, and who you know is still more important than what you know. More so than in most nations, as far as I can see and from what I've heard from other people.

A friend of mine moved out to the states and his career has flourished in 6 months over there, compared to stagnating over here as a lot of graduates seem to, getting no where in years of trying. He's know fool, nor lazy but I guess you'll have to take my word for that.

What you can do seems to be much more important than your accent, your background and an uncanny ability to spout as much BS as possible, though that is probably a universal constant across the world, but seems to be especially advantageous over here from what I have experienced when dealing with people from across the globe in my day to day work.

Personally, I'm waiting for my gf to graduate and then we're outta here, probably Canada bound.


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By robinthakur on 7/25/2008 11:32:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
He's know fool


Oops. What you know will always be significantly less important than who you know within certain industries (like finance) because that's the way they have always worked. This is immaterial of where in the world you work. The rewards are here for you in Socialist Britain (under Brown) its just that you get taxed to death for it and have punitive additional taxes and fines to convince you to do what the government wants you to do. i.e. fuel tax, recycling charges, Home Efficiency taxes, congestion charge, TV license. I think I actually just convinced myself to emmigrate lol! On the other hand, I find the UK a far more tolerant society.(maybe too tolerant in its 'multi-culturalism')


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By Aloonatic on 7/25/2008 12:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
re: who you know, not what you know.

Sure, it exists everywhere but like taxation, it seems to be much worse here.

I think that we accept the "things have always been like that" argument a little to readily in the UK too, and are indoctrinated into a class system (know your place) pretty early.

There's much less of a "you can be whatever you want to be" way or raising kids in the UK, or (more bluntly) there is no British version of "the American dream".

The obstacles to being "all you can be" seem to be smaller in other nations from what I have heard from my friends and family who have travelled and lived abroad but not everyone reports the same.

If you want to be a single mother living off the state, America is not somewhere you want to live, so it doesn't work for everyone.

Of course, the rewards are there. It's just they are made harder to reach and random chance or other factors other than your abilities and willingness to work hard, seem to be much more important.

I'm doing OK for my self by the way, in case you think I'm embittered. I just realise that the UK is perhaps not the best place for my children to grow up in and has fewer opportunities but there certainly are worse places to be.

*before the inhabitant of pedants corner wake up I am aware that I used the wrong spelling for whether in another post by the way*


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By Adonlude on 7/25/2008 12:48:10 PM , Rating: 5
The people/subjects have less and less power in the UK. Their people were stripped of their firearms long ago. There are now even 1,043 different ways the government can enter your home in the UK... your own sacred home!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036561/No...


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By jabber on 7/25/2008 5:50:36 PM , Rating: 2
Stripped of what firearms? We never had any in the first place!

Before handguns were outlawed in the mid 90's I didnt know anyone that owned a Colt/S&W/Uzi/AK47/Ruger etc. etc.

A few rural folks had shotguns and air rifles and they still have them. As for the majority..nothing.

Once again I will dispell this myth that we Brits gave up our firearms. We didnt, we never had them. Most of the firearms (a very small minority) were collectors or gun club members.

However, we now have shed loads of illegal ones kicking about so we now actually have more firearms then we ever had before. Cheap and no 72 hour checks. How easy is that?

And as for the bit about the TV license tax, it still applies if you 'only' use you TV for playing videos. The License applies to ANY device with a TV tuner circuit in it. That includes a video recorder. Oh and by the way it pays for part of the running of the BBC so at least its a tax that provides something of slight value.


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By phxfreddy on 7/25/2008 6:42:36 PM , Rating: 2
So the miscreants who laugh at the law will be the only people with guns in a gun free zone. Sounds like a ripe situation for dictators taking over.

Opps....they already have


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By Adonlude on 7/28/2008 4:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
Such is the effect of gun control. How is it that politicians can see law breakers with guns and say "hey, we should pass some laws to keep those law breakers from getting guns!". Hello! "law-BREAKER"... Criminal. Not following law happens to be their specialty and you hope to fight them with a new law? Now you have law abiding citizens who do follow your laws nicely disarmed making easier targets for the law breakers. Pure stupidity!


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By cmdrdredd on 7/26/2008 8:52:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh and by the way it pays for part of the running of the BBC so at least its a tax that provides something of slight value.
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Except that from a personal standpoint I find the BBC just as bad as any of the major news networks in the US that put spin on something.


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By jabber on 7/27/2008 8:01:44 AM , Rating: 2
Ahh but at least they put news about issues outside of their own country on. If thats 'an angle' then I'll settle for that.

That may be the problem for us Brits, we have such a downer on life cos we now so much about whats going on all over the world and how depressing it all is.

Damn you BBC and your world centric atitude!!!!


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By afkrotch on 7/28/2008 2:41:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And as for the bit about the TV license tax, it still applies if you 'only' use you TV for playing videos. The License applies to ANY device with a TV tuner circuit in it. That includes a video recorder. Oh and by the way it pays for part of the running of the BBC so at least its a tax that provides something of slight value.


Any device with a tv tuner, whether you turn it on or off. If it's in your house, in the attic, collecting dust. BAM! TV tax.

In the US, we get CBS, Fox, NBC, PBS, and some other stations for free. It's called advertising. It pays for them to air and it pays for them to create shows some great shows (Heroes, CSI, etc). What has BBC or TV tax done?


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By Aloonatic on 7/28/2008 5:01:07 AM , Rating: 2
To defend the BBC for a moment.

That you have becomes accustomed to advertising every 5 minutes in your shows is great, but I must say I find it more than a little irritating when visiting the States. Mostly because I have become accustomed to watching programs on the BBC (ITV really is mostly rubbish, X-Factor/Britain's got talent and the like) without advertising so maybe I have been conditioned quite nicely too?

The BBC has produced some good shows (who could imagine life without the Teletubbies?) but their remit is as a public service broadcaster to provide challenging (most current affairs programs worth watching are on the BBC or CH4 who also receive some states funding too but ruin it all by continuing with the Big Brother nonsense programming to keep the pay masters happy) and interesting/educational (Blue Planet) programming and not chase ratings or make the big "hit" shows like Heroes*.

I must admit, most of the entertainment programming I watch (Battlestar) is from the states however but then I don't watch much other than news and sport, oh and Top Gear of course. "Life on Mars" was a pretty good show and worth watching if you want some BBC entertainment/drama.

The licence fee also goes towards the BBC radio stations which are pretty good, then there's the on-line services and websites (which are very good and a massive resource) and has also been used to fund and promote the digital change over, which is on-going.

It's a shame that the BBC is (to me at least) about as liberal and lefty as it seems that Fox News is to the right of political spectrum.

The only "free" programming comes via ITV and that is mostly dumbed down rubbish meant to keep those on Brown tax credits and handouts off the streets and happy, whilst giving them the opportunity to see them selves on TV on the many talk shows where they go on to make fools of themselves.

* A show that really should have stopped after 1 season. I watched the abortion that was season 2 mostly because I couldn't look away, like when driving past a road crash.


RE: Doesn't surpize me
By JNo on 7/25/2008 6:46:15 PM , Rating: 1
You're quoting a daily mail article and you expect credibility? I can only hope it is US readers who don't know any better who have voted you up...


RE: Doesn't surpize me