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Gilberto Martinez Vera and Maria de Jesus Bravo Pagola  (Source: tumblr.com)
Human rights groups and civil liberties advocates have started speaking out, saying that the charges are "exaggerated"

Social networking has undoubtedly become a popular part of the Web experience, with Facebook nabbing 750 million users alone. But at times, social networking can prove to be problematic. For instance, Britain blamed social media for its class riots that occurred last month saying that the riots were too easily organized via the free flow of information. One week later, two UK men were arrested for attempting to provoke riots through the use of Facebook and found guilty, which led to a four-year prison sentence for each.

Now, Mexico is having similar problems with social media -- except its citizens' attempts to cause chaos did not fail. 

Gilberto Martinez Vera, a 48-year-old former school teacher who lives in the eastern state of Veracruz, and Maria de Jesus Bravo Pagola, a former government official and radio commentator, have been accused of terrorism after they separately posted false information on their Twitters about kidnappings and shootouts near schools in Veracruz. 

On August 25, 2011, Martinez Vera 
posted a tweet that claimed five children were kidnapped from a school in Veracruz according to the BBC.

"I can confirm this, at the Jorge Arroyo school in the Carranza district, five children have been taken away by an armed group," said Martinez Vera's tweet. "Total psychosis in the area."

Martinez Vera added that this confirmation came from his sister-in-law, who had children that attended the school.

That very same day, Bravo Pagola used her Twitter and Facebook to re-tweet and post the messages respectively, which said that a helicopter had opened fire at another school in the area.

As it turns out, none of the above-mentioned events were true. There were no kidnappings or shootings occurring at any of the schools in the area at that time. But the tweets didn't just come out of nowhere -- the city was already on edge after weeks of gun battles between drug traffickers. Then, on August 25, residents saw armed convoys of marines gathering in the streets of Veracruz, leading to the rumors.

But that didn't stop citizens from panicking. According to Gerardo Buganza, interior secretary for Veracruz state, people stopped their vehicles in the middle of the road to run and pick up their children, thinking that their children were in danger. There were 26 total car accidents in the midst of the chaos, and emergency numbers had "totally collapsed" from the amount of traffic from callers.

Buganza said the panic caused by these tweets and Facebook posts made the panic caused by Orson Welles' 1938 radio broadcast of "The War of the Worlds" seem small in comparison.

Both Martinez Vera and Bravo Pagola were arrested. According to President Felipe Calderon, their actions were an act of terrorism. They could face up to 30 years in prison.

Both citizens were outraged. Martinez Vera said that the panic had already started before he posted his tweet, and that he was just repeating what his sister-in-law had already confirmed. Bravo Pagola reacted similarly, saying she merely re-tweeted what everyone else was already saying on the social networks. 

"How can they possibly do this to me, for re-tweeting a message?" said Claribel Guevara, Bravo Pagola's defense lawyer, who was quoting her client. "I mean, it's 140 characters. It's not logical." 

Human rights groups and civil liberties advocates have started speaking out, saying that the charges are "exaggerated." Petitions are circulating around the Web to demand release of the accused.

According to Amnesty International, officials are violating 
freedom of expression by arresting both of the accused on account of terrorism, and that the drug war is to blame instead. 

"The lack of safety creates an atmosphere of mistrust in which rumors that circulate on social networks are part of people's efforts to protect themselves, since there is very little trustworthy information," Amnesty International wrote in a statement. 

Raul Trejo, an expert on media and violence at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, agreed saying that the government has done a poor job of preventing drug cartel violence and that it "doesn't make clear what is happening" in the midst of media rumors.

While some feel that terrorism isn't the correct charge for this situation, and that both citizens are being punished for using Twitter to express opinions about the 
state's current affairs, Veracruz Governor Javier Duarte de Ochoa feels that the punishment is necessary and appropriate.

"The punishment for those who caused damages is not because they are Twitter users, but for the consequences that their irresponsible acts provoked," said Duarte de Ochoa.



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Mmmm...
By Motoman on 9/6/2011 1:11:49 PM , Rating: 5
...I'm not completely sold on the terrorism charge...but it certainly sounds like they at least are guilty of inciting to riot, or something similar to that.

Free speech doesn't cover everything. Like yelling "FIRE!" in a packed theater when there is no fire...leading to chaos and some kid getting trampled. Sounds to me like they're guilty of something...maybe it's terrorism, but my gut tells me that's an exaggeration.




RE: Mmmm...
By stm1185 on 9/6/2011 1:13:37 PM , Rating: 2
I think it should come down to is intent. Why did they post false information? Information any sane person would know would start a panic. Without more information I'd say they had malicious intent and should be punished for it, 40 years though seems pretty retarded.


RE: Mmmm...
By tastyratz on 9/6/2011 1:27:53 PM , Rating: 2
The government appears to be trying for a redirect here on them. They are guilty of wrongdoing sure, but terrorism? Maybe if you want to go textbook and say people were afraid... but isn't that already from inadequately controlling the drug trade?


RE: Mmmm...
By MrBlastman on 9/6/2011 2:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't there so I can't know the circumstances that lead up to the posts online by either of the two of them. Likewise, I sit here in my office in America and am completely oblivious to the conditions in that area of Mexico. What I can say though is it is blatantly obvious that the Mexican authorities have been completely failing in their efforts to curb real terrorism including the drug cartels. It is pathetic at how bad they are at solving the problem down there. It is also obvious they are trying to use these two people as scapegoats to take the heat away from their own failings.


RE: Mmmm...
By Samus on 9/8/2011 12:51:28 AM , Rating: 1
Seriously, doesn't the Mexican government have real criminals to prosecute? Ohh, wait, drug cartels are dangerous. Why would police involve themselves with that stuff?


RE: Mmmm...
By ekv on 9/6/2011 1:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
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40 years though seems pretty retarded.
Amnesty International trying to help them out by ACCUSING the gov't, which is already thin skinned, does not in fact help. Plus, it depends on whose car was smashed in those accidents.


RE: Mmmm...
By Taft12 on 9/6/2011 1:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
If the thickness of the government's skin matters in the first place, that's a huge problem.

Equal justice for all?


RE: Mmmm...
By Camikazi on 9/6/2011 2:45:04 PM , Rating: 5
Ha equal justice, you believed that? Nothing is equal if a human is involved.


RE: Mmmm...
By ekv on 9/7/2011 2:45:32 AM , Rating: 1
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Equal justice for all?
That's the goal isn't it? But lately the guys / people in Black Robes seem to cause as much trouble as they solve.

In Mexico, it often boils down to 1) how much money you have -- it's not a "bribe", noooo, it's a contribution to your favorite charity, in your name -- and/or 2) who you know. My relatives in Mexico City just love it, I know not why.

For this case, these two were singled out as having started the tweets. Digital forensics can be pretty conclusive. But then, that doesn't account for the neighbor down the street jabbering away at the corner market. On the other hand, whose fancy car got clobbered in the resulting melee? If some gov't flunky got hit, then ... perhaps the charges make sense. [Not that it makes sense, if you know what I mean 8]


RE: Mmmm...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/7/2011 7:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
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If the thickness of the government's skin matters in the first place, that's a huge problem. Equal justice for all?


We're talking about Mexico here, not the United States. You'll find no such "justice" is guaranteed by our neighbors to the south.

To be honest this story isn't surprising. And you cannot deny these two at least had a hand in this. What's more surprising is the hundreds of people's who's lives are destroyed by the corrupt Mexican government each year that we never hear about, who did NOTHING and committed no crimes at all.

But hey, why bother fighting to fix your own country when you can climb a fence into one that's better, right?


RE: Mmmm...
By MrTeal on 9/6/2011 2:28:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Free speech doesn't cover everything. Like yelling "FIRE!" in a packed theater when there is no fire...leading to chaos and some kid getting trampled. Sounds to me like they're guilty of something...maybe it's terrorism, but my gut tells me that's an exaggeration.


The person who first tweeted it was going off what they heard from what was to them a trusted source. The person who retweeted it also didn't originate the story.

Someone who maliciously screams "FIRE!" in a theater can and should be charged. A person who hears them, freaks out and starts screaming "FIRE!" themselves should not.

These charges are ridiculous, the Mexican government is looking for someone to blame and these two could have their lives ruined over some traffic accidents.


RE: Mmmm...
By ClownPuncher on 9/6/2011 2:49:09 PM , Rating: 1
Whoever invented Bat Boy should be arrested, according to this shit.


RE: Mmmm...
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2011 7:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
All I know is they are fucking stupid. And nobody is going to shed one tear over these dumb asses.

I'm so tired of idiots and their constant ability to garner sympathy from other idiots. What were they thinking!?


RE: Mmmm...
By Schrag4 on 9/7/2011 12:57:09 PM , Rating: 2
As someone else pointed out, I think it should come down to intent. If you yell "Fire" in a packed theater because you want to see some people get trampled, then you should go to prison. If you think there's a fire, though, I for one would appreciate the heads-up. I mean isn't it worse to leave a theater quietly, without alerting anyone, if you see a fire that's raging out of control backstage? Of course if you want to be a good law-abiding sheep, that would be the advised course of action to stay out of legal trouble, right?

In other words, why did they tweet what they tweeted? Where they trying to incite a riot, knowing that nothing bad was going down? If so, throw the book at them. Did they really believe that kidnappings and shootings were taking place? If so, I don't necessarily see the problem. The alternative is to make it illegal to spread ANY information. After all, how can you really, truly be sure that what you're passing along is accurate?


Somehow
By FITCamaro on 9/6/11, Rating: 0
RE: Somehow
By nocturne_81 on 9/6/2011 2:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously..? We've been done with that #@$hole for 3 years -- everyone's just trying to forget.. It always amazes me how politically ignorant the professional class can be.

As for the OP, people still Tweet..? I honestly never saw the point -- who really wants to know every single thought posted by their friends. I already think less of them with every facebook status update..


RE: Somehow
By FITCamaro on 9/6/2011 3:17:21 PM , Rating: 2
You got that I was being sarcastic right?

And don't act like the media and our president isn't still blaming Bush


RE: Somehow
By Whedonic on 9/6/2011 5:45:28 PM , Rating: 3
Bush was in power for 8 years. It would be illogical to expect that the legacy of his actions, for good or bad, have mysteriously vanished only a few years after his leaving office. Of course he's going to come up occasionally, especially since the budget problems we're experiencing right now have their origins in his presidency. Whether or not it's relevant to assign blame vs come up with solutions is another issue, but Bush's policies are certainly a part of the conversation.


RE: Somehow
By Alexvrb on 9/6/2011 10:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ah yes, the obligatory Bush did it post. Thank you sir, I was wondering where it was.


RE: Somehow
By Solandri on 9/7/2011 12:30:31 AM , Rating: 3
Joe does something.
Frank does something in response.

Frank's supporters:
Anything good that happens is due to Frank.
Anything bad that happens is Joe's fault, because Frank was just responding to Joe.

Joe's supporters:
Anything bad that happens is Frank's fault.
Anything good that happens is due to latent effects of Joe's original actions.

There you go: how to justify anything by being inconsistent in your reasoning. If you want to be consistent, and give Frank credit for everything good, you must also blame Frank for everything bad. If you want to kick blame back one level to Joe, you also have to kick credit one one level back to Joe. You cannot pick and choose which one stays with the current President and which one gets kicked back to the previous President.

quote:
especially since the budget problems we're experiencing right now have their origins in his presidency.

During Bush's first term, the situation was politically reversed, with Bush dealing with a recession caused by the tech bubble created under Clinton. Back then, Democrats blamed everything on Bush and refused to shift any blame to Clinton. If you want to be consistent, then you must now blame everything on Obama and refuse to shift any blame to Bush. (To be fair, this pattern has persisted as long as I've been able to vote, with Clinton inheriting a weak economy from Reagan/Bush.)

I'm afraid the reality is that both parties (and pretty much all "experts" for that matter) are blundering idiots who really have no clue what does and doesn't help the economy. It's really more a contest about who can better convince the electorate that what they're saying is right. The more efficient a market economy becomes, the more its movements start to look like random noise. And it's really, really hard to pull out trends that are being covered up by random noise which is larger than the trends.


RE: Somehow
By wordsworm on 9/6/2011 6:55:10 PM , Rating: 1
Decades after Hitler lost his job folks were still blaming him for crap. Go figure. At least with Hitler, the world knew he'd already paid for his crimes against humanity. When will Bush II be held accountable for his crimes?


RE: Somehow
By FITCamaro on 9/6/2011 10:15:37 PM , Rating: 3
And what crimes would those be dumbass?

The two wars that were Congressionally approved based on intelligence the ENTIRE WORLD agreed with and supported?


RE: Somehow
By snakeInTheGrass on 9/7/2011 11:22:58 AM , Rating: 2
Well they were congressionally approved, anyway. I mailed my senator at the time, telling him that I assumed he had better intel than what was being shown on TV and that he should vote based on that - which, in and of itself is reasonable. The fact that there were a large number of countries - including our traditional allies - that said there was no evidence supporting an invasion and who refused to participate maybe should have put up some more red flags.

The real stunner was that nobody was held accountable for what was hugely flawed intel leading to invading a country that wasn't involved with 9/11 AND wasn't stockpiling WMDs. Certainly not the ones pushing their agenda to get our military back into Iraq - the President, VP, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.

At least Iraq is now a peaceful place with a stable democracy. And it certainly didn't go over the $50-60 billion price tag that was claimed either.


RE: Somehow
By wordsworm on 9/16/2011 7:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
Your trailer park does not constitute the entire world. The UN had already said that there were no WMDs. There was a lot of opposition to the war. Maybe you forgot how France had staunchly opposed the second gulf war.

Bush II made an oil grab to further enrich himself and his friends. He's never been tried for his crimes against humanity. Everything from torture to the illegal invasion ought to be charged against him.


RE: Somehow
By foolsgambit11 on 9/6/2011 8:05:24 PM , Rating: 2
The media blamed Clinton for years after he left office, too. Of course, it was different media outlets that blamed him than those who blame Bush for our current security or economic woes. Passing the buck is a time-honored political tradition.

Either way, though, it's usually not CNN that does it more than a year or so after the inauguration. MSNBC or FOX News, maybe. Air America or Premier Radio Networks, definitely.


RE: Somehow
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2011 8:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
The media is one thing, you can almost expect that. But it's unbecoming of a President and unprofessional to pull the "other guy" card as much as Obama has. And honestly unprecedented as well. Especially when it's so obviously a deflection.


RE: Somehow
By snakeInTheGrass on 9/7/2011 12:25:31 PM , Rating: 2
I guess Bush didn't have as many items to point to in the case of Clinton? I mean, sure, there was the blue dress, but that was hard to blame an unjustified war on. (Iraq, not Afghanistan - that one was justified, though we should get the hell out now.)

No, but seriously, the recession at the start of his term was certainly due to items under Clinton's helm, though Bush's response of policies lowering interest rates to make housing 'boom' and look like there weren't deeper economic issues was idiocy at its finest. (Cue 'it was really the Democrats... Thanks, I worked in the industry and no, it wasn't the oft-cited 'low income' loans that were the bulk of the problem, it was the low interest rates and lack of oversight (deregulation) that let Wall St. run wild. Actually just talked to someone yesterday who was doing loan origination in that period who can't believe how the media spun it either. Subprime & Alt-A had nothing to do with the low-income loans beyond the banks trading them doing some low-income loans in exchange for no more anti-merger regulations and oversight. And yes, those regulatory changes were pushed by BOTH Dems and Repubs.)


RE: Somehow
By Spuke on 9/6/2011 4:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
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I already think less of them with every facebook status update..
I just updated my facebook status with that.


30 years for gossip
By marraco on 9/6/2011 7:09:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'm more inclined to think that is state terrorism. This is totalitarian.

30 years for gossip?

Stop spreading rumors. You may be a terrorist.




RE: 30 years for gossip
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2011 7:39:28 PM , Rating: 2
Umm have you looked at Mexico lately? It's probably THE most corrupt country in the world, certainly the most corrupt in the West. Living there is a nightmare. At any moment you can be thrown in jail for no reason, or kidnapped in broad daylight and never seen again. If the police can't solve a crime, they will just find someone and frame them for it. Mexico is ruled by drug lords and kidnapping rings, the police and judges work FOR them.


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