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Megan Fox fills up high-definition displays in crystal clarity
Transformers is best-selling movie on both standard and high-definition

Transformers is undoubtedly one of this year’s biggest films, so it should come to no one’s surprise that its release on the home video market quickly rose to the of the charts. Paramount Pictures today informed the media that Transformers is the top selling day one high-definition release ever.

Transformers on HD DVD sold 100,000 copies on October 16, making it biggest home video high-definition day yet. The release eventually gathering 190,000 sold over the first week, leading Paramount to boast Transformers as, “the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definitionformat as well as the best selling HD DVD ever.”

“The performance of the Transformers DVD and HD DVD has demonstrated the phenomenal success of this global franchise,” said Kelley Avery, president, Worldwide Home Entertainment, Paramount Pictures. “We’re happy to be kicking off the fourth quarter with a title that clearly shows home entertainment releases are still an event that drives consumers into stores — which is a win for both content providers and retailers.”

While no one will argue that Transformers is a title that all high-definition owners would like to have in their collection, the sales crown may still be undecided with Warner Bros.’ 300 release on both HD DVD andBlu-ray Disc. Warner announced a week after release that 300 sold over 250,000 copies, setting new sales records. It was later revealed that more than half of 300 sold on high-definition were on Blu-ray Disc.

One should wonder how much better Transformers may have sold if it were available on Blu-ray Disc, but as Paramount and Dream Works signed an exclusive deal, the robotic battle-filled film currently graces only HD DVD in 1080p.

Owners of only Blu-ray Disc players are likely jealously staring across the line at HD DVD owners – a feeling that Transformers director Michael Bay understands. Bay initially threw a fit after learning that his film would be released in high-definition only on HD DVD, threatening to not return for a sequel. Bay later posted on his blog in a different tune, praising HD DVD’s hardware pricing and said that he might indeed be back to direct Transformers 2.

With home video companies boasting about their record-setting high-definition sales, regular standard-definition DVD continues to cast a mammoth shadow both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc combined. Day one sales of Transformers on DVD hit 4.5 million, with the first week collecting 8.3 million – also setting records for DVD sales this year.



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Sorta off topic
By bravacentauri83 on 10/22/2007 10:20:42 PM , Rating: 3
but is that picture of Fox a capture from the HD-DVD movie?




RE: Sorta off topic
By NainoKami on 10/23/2007 3:10:50 PM , Rating: 3
It's more than 1080 lines, so my guess is no... But she'll probably look fine in 1080p all the same! Just wish they would release the Blu-Ray so I could actually get it! :(


RE: Sorta off topic
By Locutus465 on 10/23/2007 3:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunetly that is the whole idea of exclusives... To get you to want to buy in to the desired HD format, in this case HD-DVD... Blueray does the same thing in conjunction with Disney (i.e. Pirates)... One day there will be just one format...


RE: Sorta off topic
By NainoKami on 10/23/2007 3:25:38 PM , Rating: 2
True... I just wish it wasn't so. They are not doing the consumers any favors these days!


RE: Sorta off topic
By Locutus465 on 10/23/2007 3:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone wants the Royalties... Best consumers can do is choose the format that meets their needs re: exclusives/price/features.... Unless you're lucky/rich enough to be able to afford both kinds of players or a nifty dual format player (not me so I'm HD-DVD only... :P)


RE: Sorta off topic
By leexgx on 10/25/2007 2:42:27 PM , Rating: 2
all that happen is just get converted to fit on an Blu-ray disk (as it easly fit onto Single layer disk will for BR) There loss thay sould of provided it to both camps, as i am not planning on getting an HD-dvd player


RE: Sorta off topic
By Haltech on 10/23/2007 7:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
or everyone will buy a combo player, but I'm just dreaming


RE: Sorta off topic
By Locutus465 on 10/23/2007 9:18:08 PM , Rating: 2
I would love a combo player my self, Pirates would be nice to have in HD... However those seem to run anywhere between $800 and $1,200 :(

For $169 my 360 HD-DVD upgrade works wounderously...


RE: Sorta off topic
By NainoKami on 10/23/2007 3:24:23 PM , Rating: 2
I just took a look at the meta-data and though it might have been edited it implies aCanon EOS-1D Mark II N has been used to take the picture. Meaning it's a still, and it was taken by (or at least credited to) Robert Zuckerman.

Geek out!


RE: Sorta off topic
By othercents on 10/23/2007 5:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
He is the camera man for many movies including transformers.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0958446/


Thank you
By dgingeri on 10/22/2007 9:07:53 PM , Rating: 4
I just want to say thank you for the picture that accompanied the story. she is so hot!




RE: Thank you
By Captain Orgazmo on 10/23/2007 12:29:10 AM , Rating: 5
Surgeon General's warning: Engaging in such activities may result in vision problems including but not limited to crossed-eyes, and eventual blindness; peripheral muscular imbalance; abnormal hair growth, especially in the palmar region of the hand; and eternal damnation in the fires of Hades.


yeah...
By Hyperlite on 10/22/2007 9:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
pic saved. thanks.




RE: yeah...
By jelifah on 10/23/2007 8:33:10 AM , Rating: 2
So since you saved the pic are you a pirate?

Protected by copyright blah blah blah...


RE: yeah...
By jelifah on 10/23/2007 8:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
At the risk of people not getting the humor, I was trying to be sarcastic. Clarification ftw!


Megan Fox
By MagicSquid on 10/23/2007 4:45:34 AM , Rating: 4
That picture of Megan Fox is the single greatest argument for switching to the overpriced HD formats that I have ever seen.




RE: Megan Fox
By PitViper007 on 10/23/2007 8:27:07 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. OUCH!


So pirating is ruining movie sales.
By DASQ on 10/22/2007 10:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see the RIAA bitching about the sales of Transformers.

Oh wait, they only step in when their half-assed garbage in disc format fails to sell. Predictable.




RE: So pirating is ruining movie sales.
By DASQ on 10/22/2007 10:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
^I mean MPAA. Whoops.


Don't even think about prices until the war is over
By Sylar on 10/23/2007 6:36:37 AM , Rating: 1
I'm more concerned about how prices will be affected once a format wins if that ever even happens. Consider what Sony will do with prices if they win, then consider the latter. MS is fairly new to this arena so I don't know what they will do but based on what I've read to date on Sony's history with proprietary formats, it hasn't been all that great and will be fairly expensive should they take the crown. Isn't that why many of their formats failed? It seems like for every format that are available to us in various mediums, Sony likes to create one of their own and attempt to shove it down our throats(pro duos come to mind, that was so unnecessary).




By Murst on 10/23/2007 1:51:12 PM , Rating: 2
Well, don't be concerned.

Sony does not own the blu-ray standard anymore than Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, or Samsung.

MS has nothing to do with ownership of HD DVD. It was developed by Toshiba and NEC.


190k not a bad number
By Jimmybones on 10/23/2007 9:40:19 AM , Rating: 2
But from the subject, I thought it was setting a record for the number of different versions available.

One at Wal-Mart, one at Target, One at Costco, One at random jims hick shop.

Good showing, I wonder how many they could have sold if Blu-Ray was included.




300 DVD vs. HD-DVD
By casket on 10/22/2007 10:36:09 PM , Rating: 1
I saw both versions, since the hd-dvd is a combo disc.

The movie is intentionally grainy, I guess to create a sense of myth and legend and age.

On the 300 DVD, it is too grainy, and annoying. On the HD-DVD, the grainyness is cut in half, and improves the visual quality alot.

Of course, I'd rather see a non-grainy dvd than a grainy hd-dvd.




just imagine if it was on blu-ray
By michal1980 on 10/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: just imagine if it was on blu-ray
By leexgx on 10/25/2007 2:46:11 PM , Rating: 1
lol why rated down dono (HD-DVD fan boys in here?) why as its very ture Blu-ray sells 2:1 ratio every time an movie has been put on HD-DVD and BD


No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By bplewis24 on 10/22/07, Rating: -1
RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By bplewis24 on 10/22/2007 9:03:29 PM , Rating: 1
I just realized that the "190,000" are the figures for "week 1." So how can Paramount boast that it's the highest week one release when "300" says they sold 250,000???

Brandon


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/22/2007 9:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
They are stating that the 190,000 is the highest single format HD sales for 1 week to date. The 250,000 was split between two formats.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By bplewis24 on 10/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By XtremeM3 on 10/23/2007 2:58:25 AM , Rating: 4
But it wasn't released on one format. It was released on 2 and sold 250,000 on 2 formats. To make an assumption that if it was only released on 1 format it would sell just as many is ludicrous.

The quote you used..

quote:

“the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definitionformat as well as the best selling HD DVD ever.”


I see the word "either" in there. Allow me to clarify, as perhaps english is not your first language since I know there are plenty of posters on DT that enlish is a second or possibly third language for and I don't want to make assumptions. "Either" as defined by Websters is "the one or the other". Thus the word "either" in the quote YOU provided could be written as:

"the fastest and best-selling week one release on one or the other high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever."

Although it does sound much cleaner with the word "either" as opposed to the lengthier version above, the statement holds true.

Class dismissed.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Chaser on 10/23/2007 9:59:45 AM , Rating: 2
And for your assignment, detention hall. Spell the word English correctly 100 times on the blackboard.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By XtremeM3 on 10/24/2007 2:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
oops...


By NoSoftwarePatents on 10/23/2007 10:17:22 AM , Rating: 2
Go get Firefox 2 and install it, which has a built in spell checker optimized for web forms, and get your words spelled correctly before you post.

Class dismissed.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By bplewis24 on 10/23/2007 2:51:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To make an assumption that if it was only released on 1 format it would sell just as many is ludicrous.


It is absolutely not ludicrous and very valid.

quote:
I see the word "either" in there. Allow me to clarify, as perhaps english is not your first language since I know there are plenty of posters on DT that enlish is a second or possibly third language for and I don't want to make assumptions. "Either" as defined by Websters is "the one or the other".


The quote I mentioned is ambiguous and the word "either" is no more or less mutually exclusive than it is all-inclusive. So, while it's apparent you think you schooled me on something and that I can't grasp the English language as well as you do, you haven't proven anything. The fact is it is NOT the best-selling week one release because the subject of that sentence is the movie itself, not the format it was released on.

"High definition format"

And if you fail to see that a movie like "300", if exclusive to HD-DVD, would have sold a lot more HD-DVD copies, or if exclusive to BD, would've sold a lot more Blu-ray copies, then I fail to see why you've taken such a high brow tone in your response.

Brandon


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 6:57:26 AM , Rating: 1
I dont know what you are not understanding.

The 250,000 for 300 could amount to a week sales of something like 130,000 for BD, 120,000 for HD to get 250,000 for total high definition dvd format.

Since Transformers sold 190,000, they are saying that it is the highest selling movie for a single high definition format to date, not the highest selling movie for all high defintion formats combined to date.

Perhaps if Transformers was released on BD, the numbers could be something like 380,000 total sold, with each format getting 190,000 - as an example.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By bplewis24 on 10/23/2007 3:01:20 PM , Rating: 2
There isn't anything that I am not understanding. But I can see that the MS/HD DVD fans are out in full force, rating everything that isn't overly positive or subjective as far down as they possibly can, so if it pleases the masses to assume I don't understand English or can't comprehend the unfounded statements, then so be it. Carry on,

Brandon


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 5:09:16 PM , Rating: 2
I dont see how this anything to do with being an HD or BD fan. I dont have either, and dont plan on buying either, so i could really care less.

In fact, im going out on a limb to say in my post, that the 300 sold more BD than HD did.

All this article states is that transformers on the HD exclusive format sold more copies than 300 did in HD or BD, but not both together.

Its really is a subjective section of the article. I dont see how its giving props to either format. Seeing as how its a transformers article, which was only released on HD, i dont see how the BD format has any relevance.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By SunAngel on 10/22/07, Rating: 0
RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By OblivionMage on 10/22/2007 10:08:27 PM , Rating: 5
The multiple adaptions and overall usefulness of the line "This...is... SPARTA! ", for example, "This...is... DTech! "


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By SunAngel on 10/22/2007 10:19:59 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, I like phrases that massage my vocal cords too, but "This is Sparta!!!!" was ridiculously overused.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By P4blo on 11/1/2007 10:18:17 AM , Rating: 2
While on the subject of 'ridiculously over used' in 300...

Why is it that every Spartan had to snarl continuously under their helmets like the wind had changed at the wrong moment and they had stayed like that?


By AmbroseAthan on 10/23/2007 9:40:18 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the trailer remixes with different movies, or in this case... LoLCats:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1779898/context/...


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Gnoad on 10/22/07, Rating: -1
RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By FITCamaro on 10/22/2007 10:44:37 PM , Rating: 3
While yes it did happen, the movie was anything but a historical documentary. I actually had thought it was going to be since I didn't realize the movie was based off a comic.

So unless I missed that the Immortals were actually greyish monkey men and Persia had a Jabba the Hutt looking creature with swords for arms, the movie is an entertainment production, nothing more.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Locutus465 on 10/22/2007 11:30:52 PM , Rating: 3
The battle really happend, that's about the extent of the historical accuracy... Beyond that, just about everything was wrong... From the hunch back of notredame, to turning Emperor Xerxes into a fruit, not to mention the exclusion of Themistocles who truely master minded the entire defence (having prepared Athens and proded sparta into action knowing the persions would return after Marathon) and the convinent exclusion of the fact that the Thesbians fought with the spartans durring the last stand....


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Zurtex on 10/23/2007 12:51:43 AM , Rating: 3
I would really like to believe that Emperor Xerxes was a Goa'uld though, it makes sense (in Stargate and seemingly this film).


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Polynikes on 10/23/2007 2:59:06 AM , Rating: 2
If you really liked the story and would like a much more realistic account, read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Gates-Fire-Novel-Battle-Ther...

It's an amazing novel. It does have its own fair share of fiction thrown in, but unlike 300 it strives to realistically portray the Spartans' lifestyle, training, culture and of course the famous battle. There was talk of a movie being made of this book, but it seems to have fallen by the wayside. After reading this book I thought 300 was utterly disappointing. (The "This is Sparta!" quote came off to me as cheesy, which was only compounded when everyone and their mother felt the need to repeat it.) Gates of Fire was an even more powerful retelling of that story.

Oh, and it wasn't just 300 Spartans alone against the Persians; there were also a few thousand warriors from other city-states there who fought as well.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By wordsworm on 10/23/2007 2:18:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Was it that 98lb weaklings can now have faith they won't be 98lb weaklings all their lives?
I think Fedor Emelianenko and Mike Tyson already did that. But it wasn't by faith. They had to work pretty hard to become champions.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 3:44:35 AM , Rating: 2
The Production Design of 300 was awesome. The way they lit and graded it, bringing out the whites of the eyes, and using a limited palette was beautifully art-house. The digitally enlarged and enhanced Xerxes with his fabulous costume, make-up and Jewellery looked incredible, truly surreal. I didn't even mind the UK accent of Leonides, for me it all worked. The whole look of the film was stunning. I've watched it many times and still enjoy it.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 8:17:55 AM , Rating: 1
Aside from the "look" which by the way was 100% historically inaccurate. It was a lame movie at best. The only people who express the kind of visual experience you are describing are people with a degree in art or fashion, and well we just won't get into what I think about that.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Spivonious on 10/23/2007 8:49:49 AM , Rating: 2
Totally agree. And the "look" was all CG, which makes it even lamer. My wife thought the whole thing was very homoerotic, what with all the men in black panties.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 8:55:27 AM , Rating: 2
So Master - are you saying you aren't a stylish man? lol

But yes, the entire movie was filmed in blue screen, and made everything just look animated. Besides the historical inaccuracies, everything was just overdone it was ridiculous. Kind of made me think about that Hummer scene in Bad Boys II when they went crashing through the city in Cuba, tearing down 100's of houses and come out unscratched.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 9:11:00 AM , Rating: 2
Stylish? No, I don't have the time to worry about the latest fashion trends. Besides, it's business casual or better at work each day :(


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 8:59:46 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
which by the way was 100% historically inaccurate.

There is no way you can be sure about that, as Ancient History should more correctly be called "Ancient Conjecture" There are just to few sources for it to ever be called reliable "history" let alone fact. So your 100% remark is glib at best.
quote:
The only people who express the kind of visual experience you are describing are people with a degree in art or fashion, and well we just won't get into what I think about that.

Well thank God it wasn't made by a computer Tech-head, it would have really looked fucking awful. Your comments merely disqualify your opinion. Stick to Computers Master K that's what you're best at.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 9:07:58 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think he is referring to the base of the story being 100% inaccurate - 300 spartans defending their civilization against the Persian nation. I think he is referring to how far the movie was stretched - mythical characters and stuff like that.

quote:
Well thank God it wasn't made by a computer Tech-head, it would have really looked fucking awful


Well in a way, you contradict yourself because the movie was pretty much made by Techheads. The entire movie was shot in blue screen and uses CGI for all the backgrounds.

Im not trying to start a war here people - but lets face facts. The base of the story was true, but the way it was portrayed was very exaggerated and mythical. The movie itself was action packed, no doubt, but it was CGI and very "techy".


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 9:18:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Well in a way, you contradict yourself because the movie was pretty much made by Techheads. The entire movie was shot in blue screen and uses CGI for all the backgrounds.

No I don't, the backgrounds were Matte paintings, very much artistic work not CG. Chromakeying and Compositing is very much Artists at work, if you knew something about how these films are made you would know that, but you don't. BTW I am a 3D Artist and Editor, so I do have some knowledge about how these things are put together. There wasn't that much 3D in it, more compositing and keying.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 10:12:35 AM , Rating: 2
The backgrounds were added afterwards, it was filmed using a blue screen. The low budget CGI they used to add those backgrounds made the movie look very animated, rather than realistic.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 10:30:34 AM , Rating: 1
Actually the keys were very good.
quote:
The backgrounds were added afterwards,
Of course they were, it's called compositing, it's all done in post, you don't know shit about this. There was nothing low budget about the CGI, we are all using the same gear these days with a bit of custom stuff on top, including ILM, and believe me those guys consider themselves artists not techs.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 12:00:58 PM , Rating: 2
I would have to say they were not very good. I've seen better backdrops in many other movies. Let me grab a title like 300, and a title like say Transformers, or even an older title like Star Wars EP3. The use of green screen by ILM makes 300 look like a kid did it on a tight budget. Regardless of what you want to believe about "the same gear", having the same equipment is only half the battle, your mileage may vary because you don't have the skills to make full use of it. If it was simply a matter of having the best equipment then anyone could produce spectacular effects and visuals as long as you had the cash to throw down, however this is not the case as some studios are better, period.

Show me visuals in a movie that surpass the tech heads at ILM. They are tech heads, like it or not. Artistry they may do, but they designed, programmed and built all of their wizardry tools from scratch over the years and that takes technical skill, not artistic.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Spuke on 10/23/2007 3:34:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They are tech heads, like it or not. Artistry they may do, but they designed, programmed and built all of their wizardry tools from scratch over the years and that takes technical skill, not artistic.
It takes both dude! A tech head that can't imagine Yoda bouncing off a wall while fighting Darth What's His Nuts. That takes some creativity, hence an artist is needed. An artist can't program or write code, hence a tech geek is needed.

These people are both artists and geeks.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 7:14:30 PM , Rating: 2
Rick Rische a Matte artist on 300 also worked on all the Star Wars films.
quote:
but they designed, programmed and built all of their wizardry tools from scratch over the years and that takes technical skill, not artistic.

Absolute rubbish! they have been using off the shelf software like 'Softimage', 'Maya' for 3D, with their own custom Shaders, like everybody else. The guys that write the custom stuff aren't the guys that use it. If you want to talk about Wizardry than think Weta Digital. Cranking on about ILM reveals your total ignorance about Post-Production these days. All the top Digital Artists move from Production to Production and aren't fixed to any one Post House, be it ILM, Weta, Digital Domain etc. Each company has standing staff but the significant people are bought in for every job, that's just the way it is, period!
quote:
The use of green screen by ILM makes 300 look like a kid did it on a tight budget.
Oh you make me laugh, keying out "digital green" or "Chromakey blue" is both entirely valid. In some instances losing digital green is easier, but Lucas still shoots loads in front of backlit blue Perspex to get a flat even RGB value, to enable keying. Friends of mine worked on all the latest Star Wars films, they were all shot (studio work) in Sydney.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 9:07:58 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think he is referring to the base of the story being 100% inaccurate - 300 spartans defending their civilization against the Persian nation. I think he is referring to how far the movie was stretched - mythical characters and stuff like that.

quote:
Well thank God it wasn't made by a computer Tech-head, it would have really looked fucking awful


Well in a way, you contradict yourself because the movie was pretty much made by Techheads. The entire movie was shot in blue screen and uses CGI for all the backgrounds.

Im not trying to start a war here people - but lets face facts. The base of the story was true, but the way it was portrayed was very exaggerated and mythical. The movie itself was action packed, no doubt, but it was CGI and very "techy".


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By mdogs444 on 10/23/2007 9:09:36 AM , Rating: 2
Can someone explain how I sometimes get these double posts? I only press the "Post Comment" button once, so I dont understand it.

Please dont rate down, because its not intentional.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 10:07:32 AM , Rating: 2
The CMS sometimes goes on the frits, its constantly being updated though so it comes and goes.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 9:09:54 AM , Rating: 3
There is more than enough historical evidence available for that time period for me to state its completely inaccurate. If you can provide supporting evidence that historically this film's visuals and whatnot were accurate, I'm all ears. If it was made by a Tech-head we likely would end up with something like Transformers, which looks absolutely phenominal. Kudos to my Tech-headed bretheren at Industrial Light and Magic, they really know how to make something that is visually appealing and realistic looking.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 9:23:57 AM , Rating: 3
That's just silly.. first of all, expecting historical accuracy from Hollywood.. LOL! Yes, they have such a good reputation for that. If you want historical accuracy watch the History channel.

Secondly, the movie is based off of a comic book and was trying to replicate that with it's art direction. Here's a good site showing the similarities:
http://blogs.ign.com/VMike311/2006/10/11/33371/

That your expecting historical accuracy from a hollywood movie based on a comic book is beyond absurd.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 9:50:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
That your expecting historical accuracy from a hollywood movie based on a comic book is beyond absurd.

I also expect people not to take such movies seriously in any way, yet people do it anyways.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 9:30:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
There is more than enough historical evidence available for that time period for me to state its completely inaccurate.

No there's not, a few books by Lycurgis, Herodotus and a couple of others, plus a few pieces of Pottery and what not, and that's about it. The Roman Republic is the same, two sources Livy and Polybuis, yet everybody takes it as solid fact, or in your case "evidence" It aint anything that would stack up any court room today.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 9:47:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Roman Republic is the same, two sources Livy and Polybuis, yet everybody takes it as solid fact, or in your case "evidence" It aint anything that would stack up any court room today.

Hmm, the roman roads, forts, Rome (The city) and its various large structures, yea none of that provides any credible evidence to that which was done during the era of the Roman Republic. The Romans documented their exploits quite well.

As for the Battle of Thermopylae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae there are quite a few references cited, and archeologists have conducted numerous digs in the area to unearth plenty of hard evidence.

Your argument would be more likely to hold water against the Bible or other religious text rather than ancient civilizations.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Felofasofa on 10/23/2007 10:13:26 AM , Rating: 2
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Hmm, the roman roads, forts, Rome (The city) and its various large structures, yea none of that provides any credible evidence to that which was done during the era of the Roman Republic.
Well no it doesn't tell us about the Punic Wars or the Politicial goings on etc, these came from Livy and Polybuis. You maybe thinking of the later Empire. As for Themopylae, did you read your own link? It's all mainly from Herodotus. Historians can't even agree on the size of Xerxes army, let alone whether the Spartans wore Cod pieces. The point I am making is that much is written as fact in ancient history when it's no more than guess work or conjecture, based upon far less evidence than people presume. As for "Biblical Archaeology" that's a total misnomer as far as the old Testament is concerned, not a shred of physical evidence exists, and people have been looking hard for a couple of hundred years. Absolute fairy tales, yet you grow up attending Sunday School etc and David & Goliath, Moses etc is all implied as fact, - see what I mean.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 10:44:59 AM , Rating: 2
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Absolute fairy tales, yet you grow up attending Sunday School etc and David & Goliath, Moses etc is all implied as fact, - see what I mean.

Oh I agree, but yet 2/3 of the planet believes in such things. Evidence that would hold up in court is not a necesity for people to believe in something. In all honesty I find the 300 vs 1,000,000 to be exaggeration. That might work if it was fully automatic machine guns and assault rifles against someone with clubs and spears, but given the technical level at the time its highly unlikely.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 9:12:18 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I also like the artsy feel of the movie, and have no such degrees, but hey, way to sterotype people who have a different opinion then you. I'm sure that makes you a better person.

I feel it captured the gritty look of the comic book it was inspired from quite well, although I've not actually seen the comic myself, I could tell it was trying to replicate that look. I believe the art direction in the movie was fantastic and it's why I wanted it on HD-DVD.

But the kid in me just enjoys the pure gore and awesomeness of the underdog fight.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 9:32:09 AM , Rating: 2
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Well, I also like the artsy feel of the movie, and have no such degrees, but hey, way to sterotype people who have a different opinion then you.

Actually making a factual assumption based on the fact that the only people I personally know that are messing themselves over the movie were people with art/fashion degrees. No other person I know first hand thought it was all that great aside from that one group.


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 9:40:50 AM , Rating: 2
Then perhaps what you should of said was: The only people I know who express the kind of visual experience you are describing are people with a degree in art or fashion...

If you wanted to be 100% historically accurate.. ;)


RE: No Valid "300" Comparison Yet
By SmokeRngs on 10/23/2007 2:41:50 PM , Rating: 2
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Actually making a factual assumption based on the fact that the only people I personally know that are messing themselves over the movie were people with art/fashion degrees.


I believe you mean observational assumption from your own experiences. Sorry to nitpick, but your personal observations and experiences do not constitute fact until such a time as they have been scrutinized and determined to be fact.

Anyway, I didn't cream myself over the movie but I did enjoy it. It's a Hollywood movie and therefore cannot be taken to be historical fact. My recollection of Greek history is rather rusty at this time but I saw many historical errors in the movie compared to what is generally considered fact about the battle and circumstances surrounding it. This did not take away from my enjoyment of the movie. I sat down to watch it as a movie and not a historical documentary.

I'm definitely not the artsy or fashionable type either. I have no artistic talent whatsoever outside of being able to write a decent short story on occasion and my idea of fashion is cowboy boots, blue jeans, a t-shirt and either a ball cap or a cowboy hat. Yet, I still liked the movie.

Were the battle scenes "overdone"? Yes. They were supposed to be though. Therefore, the movie accomplished it's purpose. The first thing I thought when seeing the first battle scene was Homer's The Iliad. If you have not done so, pick it up and read through it. The epic fights and battles in it makes the battle scenes in 300 look somewhat dull and not very gory.

Both 300 and The Iliad serve their purpose as entertainment. The movie 300 was never meant to be a historically accurate depiction of the battle and the events surrounding it. I don't believe The Iliad was meant to be a historically accurate depiction of the battle for and sack of Troy. Until more recent times, there really was never any credible evidence that anything like the battle for Troy ever happened. Either way, I still doubt The Iliad was ever supposed to be a historically accurate depiction; it was meant to be an entertaining story and it succeeded in its purpose.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 3:30:08 PM , Rating: 2
Touche.


By sweetsauce on 10/22/2007 9:37:19 PM , Rating: 1
Nope, there was a clause in those statistics that prevented your idiot sister from being counted in the numbers. Ass


By mWMA on 10/22/2007 11:33:17 PM , Rating: 1
how in the world can she increase "HD-DVD players" stats by buying a "HD-DVD addon". She would help "HD-DVD addon" stats by buying that. Buying a standalone "HD-DVD player" will give more help to HD-DVD than a addon as the market tends to use those numbers instead of addons or PS3.


By VoodooChicken on 10/23/2007 9:38:13 AM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry but how could your sister come to that conclusion? Please tell me she wasn't looking for a nonexistent slot/tray on the HDTV.

I double dipped already; I got the gift set from Best Buy w/ "lithograph" and "action figures" (hah!) from Mom, but I bought the HD DVD version myself. Now I can bring the regular DVD into work.

As far as the "format war," I have both HD DVD and Blu-Ray I run off a computer. I have a limited selection of each, but I find the HD DVDs better crafted. I find HDi farther along than BD-J, at least on the movies I have. In both formats, reds and blacks are vastly superior to standard def DVDs. Specifically to Transformers, I do like the PiP commentaries, something that still wasn't standard on Blu-Ray at the time of release.

I'm the kind of person that actually enjoys supplemental materials, at least the well-made ones. I like having the OPTION to switch between audio/video tracks depending on my mood and company. That's what sold me on DVD over VHS; NOT the superior picture/sound quality. That was just "bonus"

So take my opinion however you will; if you're just looking for improved video/audio, either format delivers PROVIDED the disc producer takes advantage of the technology at hand. But for "special feature" delivery, HD DVD is the CURRENT superior format. Maybe Blu-Ray will take the lead once BD-J is properly implemented, but that's not today.


By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 10:29:32 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, I have to agree that HD-DVD has the upper hand currently as far as content goes.

I also really like the fact that I can get to the menu options without interrupting the movie playback. It was useful when watching Jet Li's Fearless, and I wanted to switch to English audio and turn off the subtitles (although the dubbing was pretty bad, I wanted to watch the movie though, great action). It's also nice when watching the special features, as I can check out the other features while listening to a commentary or interview. I'm not sure if this is available for Blu-Ray or not, but a definite usability improvement over the classic DVD menu system.


By ChronoReverse on 10/23/2007 11:44:01 AM , Rating: 2
Wait, why would you need to go to the menu to turn off subtitles when there's a subtitles button?


By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 12:12:24 PM , Rating: 2
Because I can.


By Locutus465 on 10/23/2007 12:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
Blueray doesn't continue playback while you're in the menu? I thought I saw the bestbuy demo doing that.... I agree that continued playback while fiddling around in the menus is great... Honestly it makes me wish more HD-DVDs would just throw you right into the movie and let you fiddle around with the menu if you wish... I'm loving that feature with HD-DVD!


By Blight AC on 10/23/2007 12:14:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure if Blu-Ray does or not, I just know I couldn't do it on classic DVD's.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/23/2007 12:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
I believe with Blu Ray it depends on how they wrote the menu. It's possible to do it, but I have seen most Blu Ray movies use the traditional DVD style menu. You are correct though, Blu Ray can do it, but it seems to differ from movie to movie.


By Locutus465 on 10/23/2007 2:10:52 PM , Rating: 2
It really gets me how blueray supporters keep going on about the supposed superiority of the format, then I come to find out how out of whack the whole thing is... To the point that menu behaviour isn't even standardized (referring to capability of the movie to play while in menu).

Could blueray group at least standaridize this kind of thing before going on about how superior they are? And while they're at it do more to encourage VC-1 adoption in the format? All that would be great...


By softwiz on 10/23/2007 2:43:57 PM , Rating: 2
It may have more to do with whether the Blu-ray player being used even supports BD-Java correctly if at all. The implementation of this technology would seem inconsistently implemented across players at present.


Blu ray
By daftrok on 10/22/07, Rating: -1
RE: Blu ray
By sweetsauce on 10/22/2007 9:35:40 PM , Rating: 5
I'll do you one better. We should just get rid of blu-ray already and give all those morons that bought a ps3 their money back. This will allow them all to buy a real gaming machine, the xbox360. With the money left over, they can buy an hd-dvd add-on drive and get the best of both worlds. This is the real answer to the format wars. Thank you for showing me how easy it is to spew your own personal point of view and sound like an idiot doing it.


RE: Blu ray
By Alexstarfire on 10/22/2007 9:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
The cheapest one will win, and HD-DVD is cheaper. I also believe that the Adult Entertainment Industry is backing HD-DVD. It's like set in stone already if that's the case.


RE: Blu ray
By daftrok on 10/22/07, Rating: 0