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quote: I don't get why anyone thinks hydrogen could be viable.
quote: Extracting it from water using electricity is AT BEST a wash in terms of energy efficiency (compared to just vanilla electric cars using the same electricity) while extracting it from carbohydrates (aka oil/natural gas) doesn't solve any issues regarding emissions (you still have to deal with the leftover carbon compounds as well as any sulfates/nitrates/phosphates etc. that are dissolved in them) or oil-dependancy AND you still need to put in energy to make the cracking reaction go.
quote: it is abundant
quote: These things are already viable.
quote: but all long trips are free and solar-powered.
quote: You have to charge overnight, but you wake up every day with a full battery.
quote: Lie. Long trips along a very specific route are "free". That's far from claiming "all" long trips are free.
quote: Meanwhile, Toyota wants the government to build H2 stations for them at 10-100x the price of EV chargers. I'm waiting for you and Reclaimer to protest this...
quote: Protest what? Nothing is happening there and nothing probably will. Toyota wanting something and getting it are two different things.
quote: A potential solution is to have standardized batteries that are easily removeable. You pull into a station, a robotic arm removes the battery and puts in a full one. You pay based on how much electricity you used (what the station will have to replenish in the drained battery). It takes minutes and off you go. You can still charge at home if you can.
quote: Mint is definitely on something thinking people want to wait 30 minutes.
quote: For anyone driving less than 100 miles/day (and that's the vast majority of people on the road) EVs are already a good option.
quote: terms of convenience
quote: These are real issues, but the way he's bringing it up is in essence taking sides.
quote: I'm just sick and tired of the same idiots coming here telling us EV's are the way to go, while at the same time ignoring that NOBODY is buying them.
quote: There's no pipelines or even tanker trucks for transporting hydrogen.
quote: I am of the mind that it would be easy enough to add a H2 specific "Pump" at gas stations already in existence.
quote: How difficult would it be to switch the pumps from gasoline to liquid hydrogen?
quote: Add in the fact that, even inefficiently, a ginormous solar farm could be created in the desert that's sole purpose is to generate hydrogen.
quote: It's more viable from an infrastructure perspective than full electric. It's relatively easy to add a Hydrogen option next to the gas and diesel options at your gas station. That's a lot more practical that retrofitting parking lots and parking garages with power outlets.
quote: In my city (Los Angeles) there is sufficient charging infrastructure for EV commuters to never worry about power.
quote: In a world with massive EV adoption, how do you plan to handle that kind of capacity with the charging times we're seeing now?
quote: That's nice but step outside of Commiefornia and the landscape for EV's changes drastically.
quote: If demand for fast/on-the-go charging was even a fraction of what you envision, then every single restaurant, strip-mall, and bowling alley in the country could add their own fast chargers to make a few bucks meeting that demand.
quote: the production vehicle is a bit challenged when it comes to styling, but Toyota hasn’t exactly been known for producing consistently good-looking cars since the 90s.
quote: You're joking right (about the look)? This looks absolutely atrocious.
quote: Are you guys blind?
quote: Okay now this limp-wrist thing, I've seen it happen with some of the girls in my IDPA club. Is that something just endemic with GLocks? Do they use weaker springs or something?
quote: The choice of hydrogen is the choice to keep the status quo of oil companies charging customers for fuel whereas with electric, the power could be self generated via solar or other renewables.
quote: "The reason why Toyota doesn’t introduce any major [all-electric product] is because we do not believe there is a market to accept it,”
quote: Also you people comparing the cost of this to the Model S, you're conveniently leaving off the $10k or so of subsides you've deducted from that price, which this Toyota doesn't qualify for.
quote: It's easy to call me and Spuke "trolls" for stating the same thing.
quote: It's easy to call me and Spuke "trolls" for stating the same thing. But come on, we have people who make cars for a living stating over and over again they DON'T want to make EV's because there's just no market for them.