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Car uses a 3.4L V8 and either a front or rear electric motor

Hybrids generally bring to mind boring cars like the Prius that have a gasoline engine and a battery system to supplement that gasoline engine for better fuel economy. Hybrids are also growing to be something more interesting to enthusiasts with several hybrid power racecars now lapping tracks around the world.
 
The latest of these hybrid racecars is the Toyota TS030 Hybrid endurance prototype. The car is the first LMP1 car to use a hybrid powertrain. The racecar still has a gasoline V8 engine under the swoopy bodywork. The gasoline engine is a 3.4L V8 and it is coupled with two potential electric powertrains. One potential system puts a front mounted electric motor developed by Aisin AW and the second system uses a rear-mounted Denso electric motor. 
 
Hisatake Murata, Hybrid Project Leader, said, "Toyota has been working on hybrid systems for motorsport for several years, during which time we have made huge progress. Now we feel ready to bring our technology to the ultimate motorsport test: the Le Mans 24 Hours.
 
“Toyota's hybrid technology has already won a 24-hour race – the Tokachi 24 Hours in 2007 – so now we are bringing the latest THS-R development to global motorsport; we know this is a technically-demanding exercise but we are well prepared for the challenge."
 
 
The drivetrain uses a 500kJ capacitor that is supplied by Nisshinbo. The racecar uses a carbon fiber chassis and will debut on May 5 in the six hours of Spa-Francorchamps for the second round of the FIA World Endurance Championships. The drivers that will pilot the hybrid racecar in competition include Alex Wurz, Nicolas Lapierre and Kazuki Nakajima. Toyota will enter a second TS030 Hybrid car in the event and the driver lineup for that vehicle has yet to be confirmed.
 
Driver Alex Wurz said, "It was cool to drive the TS030 HYBRID car for the first time. Just leaving the garage on the electric power is very futuristic, then when you let the clutch go and the internal combustion engine kicks in it is like an old friend has returned! When we put on the slick tyre I could feel the car generates a very good amount of grip so I think we have a good base and I think we can turn this into a really fast car."
 
Regulations in the racing series that are in place prohibit the cars from capturing more than 500kJ between braking zones and then restrict the use of that power to only two wheels. In testing the hybrid racecar was able to run several hundred kilometers without issues.

Source: AutoBlog



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The mildest of all hybrids
By corduroygt on 1/26/2012 10:54:09 AM , Rating: 4
500kJ battery pack = 0.138 kWh of energy storage. A Prius has a 2.4 kWh battery pack, Nissan Leaf has 24 kWh, a Volt has 16 kWh.

This thing can use electric power to help out acceleration for maybe 3-5 seconds before it's all gone.




RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By Spuke on 1/26/2012 11:50:12 AM , Rating: 2
Probably just used for passing is my guess.


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/26/2012 11:51:36 AM , Rating: 2
Toyota hybrids passing gas, nice...


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By CharonPDX on 1/27/2012 8:09:31 PM , Rating: 2
No, no.

Passing gasless.


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By bebimbap on 1/26/2012 11:51:34 AM , Rating: 2
the LeMans race is "fair" for all types of vehicles, gasoline, ethanol, diesel, electric or a mix of such. They all have restrictions that make the race more "fair" A larger battery was probably deemed unfair for the better of the sport because of costs, competition, safety or a mix of the previous.


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By theKeener on 1/26/2012 12:01:21 PM , Rating: 5
Shouldn't call it a hybrid, it's a kinetic energy recovery system, like what F1 uses. This is a system for capturing braking energy and releasing it as acceleration towards the next corner. It will be absorbing and releasing all it's energy probably 10-12 times a lap at Lemans. An extra 500Kj out of every corner would be a welcome boost. Will be interesting to see how far into the race it can go before failing. F1 systems struggle to last 2 hours and they are limited to only 6 seconds of use per lap. They also cause havoc with brake balance as energy harvesting changes.


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By wired00 on 1/26/2012 8:09:19 PM , Rating: 3
I think this is incorrect

AFAIK F1 KERS have a flywheel spinning at ~ 80k RPM which, when connected to the rear tires, adds the boost? ie Mechanical KERS (http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/understanding_th...

From how I interpreted the le man hybrid its an electric form of KERS. Ie, they have an electric motor in rear and front of car and energy is recovered from braking to store within the capacitor. AFAIK F1 has no form of battery or capacitor. As the driver says, he drove out onto the track using the electric motor before engaging the petro-motor. This is why this is quite facinating


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By hotlavaaaa on 1/27/2012 3:56:17 AM , Rating: 2
All teams using KERS in F1 are using a battery based system. No team has ever used a flywheel type system. Williams' hybrid technology company was developing a flywheel system to use in their car, but it was never raced. The Williams flywheel system is what is in the 911 hybrid racecar. That system has a flywheel that sits next to the driver and is spun up using electricity generated during braking and then sends that power back to the electric motors that drive the front wheels during acceleration. Here's a video that shows how the system works.

http://youtu.be/esWT--TE3ww

Here are some videos of the new Toyota. Toyota are putting out lots of videos and photos of the new car, which is a nice change from the other LMP1 teams that normally don't allow media anywhere near their cars during testing.

http://youtu.be/BHyqTUeE4Us
http://youtu.be/1Xx3BihXIV4


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By wired00 on 1/29/2012 4:32:47 AM , Rating: 2
Ahh righto cheers :)


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By wired00 on 1/29/2012 4:32:47 AM , Rating: 2
Ahh righto cheers :)


RE: The mildest of all hybrids
By BZDTemp on 1/26/2012 5:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
Most likely a bit more than the 3-5 seconds considering the thing is lighter than a road car but that is what's needed.

Race cars brake and accelerate at maximum all the time so there is plenty of energy to pick up and use. Look at the 911 hybrid running in the ALMS series - it's not included in the scoring but even the prototypes have to work to out accelerate it.

If Toyota can make it work and keep doing so for the 24 hours then maybe we will have another exciting Le Mans this year. If not then we will have to hold out for next year where Porsche is gonna return as a factory contender in the fastest class.


thank-you
By randomtuna on 1/26/2012 3:39:05 PM , Rating: 2
You saying that it has a 500kj battery pack confirms to us you have no idea what the hell your talking about.
Its a CAPACITOR.

Huge difference in weight and function, ESPECIALLY for this type of purpose.




RE: thank-you
By corduroygt on 1/26/2012 4:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
Meh, it's just a battery pack with faster recharge/discharge capability, lower energy density per lb, and vastly more recharge/discharge cycles before it dies. The important point was is the amount of energy stored, which is very little. I wouldn't get hung up on semantics on what a "battery pack" is.


RE: thank-you
By topkill on 1/26/2012 7:33:14 PM , Rating: 2
He is being picky over a detail, but there is one point that might be true. As a capacitor, it should last an entire 24 hour race or even a few of them. The batteries in F1 do seem to fail quite often in two hour races.

Of course, that may be because they're pushing them too hard as without enough extra battery to handle the strain while trying to cut weight.


RE: thank-you
By wired00 on 1/26/2012 8:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm as i stated above i thought the KERS used in F1 is Mechanical KERS NOT "electrical KERS". Braking energy simply spins up a flywheel in each wheel hub to around 80,000RPM.

There is a continuously variable transmission connected to it. When the driver clicks "boost" it changes the ratio of the CVT and incorporates the flywheel into the engine drive. Hence, there are no "battery" packs to fail (it must be something else).

This is also the difference with the le Man hybrid, It actually uses Electric KERS (if i understand correctly) which charges up the capacitor. The driver even mentions he drives onto the track using purely the electric engine. But I might not be understanding it correctly as it wasn't very clear on the motor specifics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_stora...
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/understanding_th...


RE: thank-you
By wired00 on 1/26/2012 8:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
one more thing...
Here is more detail on the mechanical KERS system used by F1.

Flywheel spinning between 64k and 80k RPM > CVT Clutch > CVT at 5:1 ratio > Feeds to the wheels.

They state its far more inefficient to feed the kinetic energy to electricity and store in chemical battery. So no battery storage is used. So, unless they now call a flywheel recovery system a capacitor, then the technology between the le man car and an F1 is quite different.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/01/11/kers-explain...


RE: thank-you
By topkill on 1/28/2012 11:53:01 AM , Rating: 2
wired00,

You're confusing what is allowed with what is being done. They are ALLOWED to use either electric, flywheel or hydraulic. But 3 of the teams are using nothing, and the other 9 are all using batteries.

6 of the teams are using batteries packs from A123, 2 others (Ferrari and Renault) are using the battery electric package from the Italian firm Magnetti, and Williams is using an electric system but has not disclosed the battery maker.

Flywheels are great for longevity, but just can't compete with the power density of batteries (20,000Wh/kg) and weight is EVERYTHING in F1. See this link: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/mclaren-20...

Williams has still pursued other teams to use their flywheel system OUTSIDE of F1 and has gotten Porsche to build it into an experimental Le Mans car.


RE: thank-you
By Kugar on 1/27/2012 4:12:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hmm as i stated above i thought the KERS used in F1 is Mechanical KERS NOT "electrical KERS".


You didn't fully read your own linked article (the 2nd one).
It said re. F1 KERS "There are principally two types of system - battery (electrical) and flywheel (mechanical)."

Most F1 teams used a battery based system. I believe only Williams used a flywheel system.


RE: thank-you
By lelias2k on 1/28/2012 9:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
As it was stated above, all teams in F1 that use KERS use the battery type. Williams F1 has developed the mechanical system, which if I am not mistaken was spun off as a separate company, but it never raced it.


RE: thank-you
RE: thank-you
By wired00 on 1/29/2012 4:33:55 AM , Rating: 2
I stand corrected thanks for clearing that up all. Cheers :)


Electric cars FTW!
By letmepicyou on 1/27/2012 10:53:41 AM , Rating: 1
I started racing R/C cars back in the late 80's (in the day of the Associated RC/10, Kyosho Ultima, Yokomo Super Dogfighter, and Losi JrX2), and it was known by most if not all early on that a well set up electric car (speaking 1/10 scale of course, as nobody had 1/8 electric really) would WASTE a similar gas-powered vehicle. The answer is and was in the fact electric motors don't have a "torque curve" based on RPM and volumetric efficiency that an internal combustion engine suffers from.

Most of us that know have been waiting for YEARS for the reality of physics to usurp the reality that the steel and oil industries control the auto industry. Regardless of personal feelings or opinions, electric drive is FAR superior to gas drive.

All I want in a daily driver is an all electric solar car made almost entirely of carbon fiber, is AWD, does 0-100 in less than 6 seconds, pulls over 1 g on the skidpad, and costs less than $25,000.

And if the automotive industry had been taken over 25 years ago by R/C enthusiasts, that's exactly what we'd all be driving NOW.




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