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New safety feature to be featured in Japanese-market Lexus LS sedans

As if Toyota's new Lexus LS 460/LS 460L/LS 600h L luxury sedans didn't have enough technology crammed into them, the Japanese giant is looking to add one more feature to the mix to wow potential buyers. So what could Toyota possibly add to a vehicle that already includes options such as hybrid technology, 3-mode air suspension, power door/trunk closers, 30GB HDD navigation system, Bluetooth, backup camera, 450-watt Mark Levinson sound system with 19 speakers, dynamic radar-based cruise control and Intuitive Park Assist that will even parallel park your car?

The company on Friday announced that it had developed the world's first rear-collision warning system. Japanese-market Lexus LS sedans will have the safety feature installed starting this September. The radar-based rear-end collision system is mounted in the rear bumper and can detect when an impact from the rear is imminent. As a precaution, the vehicle's "brain" steps into action and warns the driver. From The Japan Times Online:

In addition, sensors in the front seat headrests detect the position of the driver's and front-seat passenger's heads, and adjusts the headrests to reduce the risk of whiplash, it said. Hazard lights also warn the driver of a possible crash from behind.

Also in the works is a front-end collision detection system that uses a stereo camera to detect pedestrians or other objects in the vehicle's path. As a precaution, the seat belts are cinched tight and the brakes will automatically activate if the driver cannot react in time.

With cars that can warn if you drift out of your lane, radar-based cruise control systems that can maintain your speed without driver input and vehicles that can park themselves, auto manufacturers are looking to take human error out of the equation. "We are determined . . . to develop vehicles that will have zero traffic accidents," said Toyota Motor Corp. President Katsuaki Watanabe. Motoring purists may scoff at control be taking away from them in day to day driving, but the day could be fast approaching when we'll be driving around in completely automatic vehicles a la “Minority Report” or “I, Robot.”

For those of you that want a closer look at the new Lexus LS, you can have a look at previews from Autoweek and Edmunds.

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Most of the features
By Merry on 8/28/2006 3:10:06 PM , Rating: 3
Are irrelevant, I mean what is the point of a warinig saying 'YOU ARE ABOUT TO HAVE A CRASH'. I would also question the reliability of the automatic brake thing. I wouldnt want it to automatically engage itself on a motorway and bring me to a halt (although you would get a nice warining that someone is about to hit you up the arse).

It is also my opinion that this encourages lazy, careless driving.

In my opinion all you need in a car with regards safety is

c)Strong passenger compartment with crumple zones
d)ABS, Stability Control and Traction control
e)A Decent driver (probably the most important)

The rest is mainly marketing mumbojumbo or of little importance

RE: Most of the features
By R Nilla on 8/28/2006 3:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
It is also my opinion that this encourages lazy, careless driving.
The same could easily be said about any of the technologies you list (ABS, airbags, seatbelts, etc.). I see your point, especially since with these newer technologies it seems like the car almost doesn't need a "driver," but I don't think technologically advanced safety features necessarily promote carelessness.

RE: Most of the features
By Merry on 8/28/2006 3:57:17 PM , Rating: 2
You have a point. My car has none of what I mentioned, well aside from seatbelts, so i have to concentrate very hard because if i crash at 30mph or above i'm going to get very injured, or very dead.

I actually have a 1965 Landrover Series II which doesnt even have seatbelts so you have to concentrate especially hard! (although anyone who has ever driven a landrover of such age will know that)

RE: Most of the features
By Tebor0 on 8/28/2006 3:24:49 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is option e. E is going to always be a problem until this goes extreme and we get the automated cars.

If I don't get my daily dose of being cut off by some joker driving a gas guzzling SUV who's trying to sneak without a signal light into the small spot open between myself and the driver in front... instead of slowing down a bit and easliy fitting into the large opening behind ... all so that he can get 1 car ahead of me at the next red light... I'm surprised. Very surprised. *run on sentence ftw*

I HATE driving. Take the Bus.

Actually.. scratch that. I like driving, I HATE other drivers.

RE: Most of the features
By joex444 on 8/28/2006 4:42:09 PM , Rating: 1
Blah, i disregard option D. ABS is retarded, I can use regular brakes just fine. Got my license by driving a manual transmission, fairly uncommon in the US, only a few years ago.

Anyways, I'm not sure if Toyota/Lexus is aware of Massachusetts. See, up here in MA, it's perfectly common to stop behind the car in front of you within two feet. Not only that, when you're about 6 feet away you're still doing 10mph. Isn't that going to trip off the accident alarm? 6 feet away going 10mph? If it doesn't, then what's the point, it's going to go off as you get hit...I'd rather just get hit. I've noticed in some other states that cops actually enforce speed limits of have to be doing either: 45mph or ~38mph & swerving in and out of the lanes to get a ticket in MA in a 30 zone. LOL...I'm reminded of when I was doing 60 in a 20 and a cop was coming down the other side of the street around a car must've sounded retarded, as I hit the clutch and in my attempt to slow down also hit the gas, so I'm slowing down and revving up doing three times the speed 'limit' :) :) :)

RE: Most of the features
By joex444 on 8/28/2006 4:43:10 PM , Rating: 1
and no, I did not even get pulled over for that...

RE: Most of the features
By sport2105 on 8/28/2006 5:30:44 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly the same situation I thought of as soon as I read the article. As a driver who commutes to work in Mass. every day I also see (and take part in) this type of driving all the time.

RE: Most of the features
By Merry on 8/28/2006 5:38:49 PM , Rating: 2
as I hit the clutch and in my attempt to slow down also hit the gas, so I'm slowing down

You would slow down faster if you went down through the gears letting your foot of the clutch as you do.

Has got me out of trouble more times than i care to remember.

RE: Most of the features
By IMPoor on 8/28/2006 6:32:06 PM , Rating: 2
So does everybody in Mass. drive bad? Did you guys read the DMV handbook before getting your license or do you just get a drivers license on ebay. I find it hard to believe that the DMV handbook for any state in the US says you can stop within 2 feet of the car in front of you and that its ok to be going 10mph with 6 feet of a stopped car. Thats worse than Mexico. And having to drive regularly in Tijuana (I live in San Diego), I would know.

As far as the article, I think its great to have this functionality in a car. I won't be able to afford it but I am sure by the time it trickles down to a car I could afford in several years it will be alot more stable. Plus if it slows down those maniacs in MASS I am all for it.

RE: Most of the features
By mindless1 on 8/28/2006 10:22:37 PM , Rating: 2
Then you need to learn how to drive. Routinely being within 2 feet is ridiculous even in a traffic jam.

RE: Most of the features
By rushfan2006 on 8/28/2006 4:54:06 PM , Rating: 2
I think safety systems like this can very well lull people into a false sense of security and in turn cause them to get more lax on how they drive with the thought "well my super advanced computer controlled collision system will intervene if needed"....

Such is human nature...look at the very simple example of the remote control for our tvs. I can't tell you how many times I've been at a friend's house, or a party or whatever and folks literally won't get up off their duff to change the channel if the remote isn't within 2 feet of them.

I think the most important factor with safe driving is the driver of the vehicle of course...and unfortunately even in just the meager 17 years I've been a licensed driver I think people are more carefree when they drive today than they were when I just started. I mean without exaggeration I'd lose count of how many folks don't use turn signals anymore -- at any time...merging, changing lanes or just a simple turn. A matter of fact I bet you tonight on my way home I'll spot at least a dozen cases of folks not using a turn signal.

And how lazy is that really people? How hard is it to turn on your turn signal?

So annoying...and the funniest thing of all -- if you are the person who honks at them for such behavior some how YOU are the person who is the ass, not the guy/girl who doesn't know what a turn signal is...that cracks me up everytime.

RE: Most of the features
By lemonadesoda on 8/28/2006 5:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
I completely disagree. If you've ever been in a crash, then you will understand that every technological advance that can help minimise damage is worthwhile. And whether thats damage to the driver and passengers (important), or damage to 3rd parties (even more important).

Many crashes are not due to "lazy" driving, or "careless driving" which both suggest that someone has CHOSEN to drive poorly. While these type of crashes do exist, the most common crashes are due to:

1./ Driver seeing, but not responding quickly enough to the situation. Examples: Wet or icey road, other vehicle jumping lights or pulling out or crossing to wrong side of road, "anticipating" the other driver... but the other driver doesnt do what is expected. e.g. Not moving off at a green light, not pulling out at a clear junction, etc.

2./ Driver being distracted, and not seeing the accident situation. Examples, mobile phone, children/baby in rear seat, gf in passenger seat, smokers, text messaging while driving (yes! I've seen this...), looking/fixing makeup in mirror while driving, drinking or eating, very loud music drowning out street and other traffic noise, dancing-in-the-seat, etc.

ANY TECHNOLOGY that helps to reduce damage and injury of these situations should be advocated.

However, technology in itself does not solve the PROBLEM of poor or distracted driving. it is only a remedy. The problem itself needs to be reduced. There should be better public awareness, tougher legislation, and shaming of drivers that do the really stupid stuff, especially some of the items in list #2.

RE: Most of the features
By mindless1 on 8/28/2006 10:17:29 PM , Rating: 2

Ok then, we expect to see you wearing full body restraints including whiplash prevention, helmit, facemask and full REAL rollcage. Further, we expect you to rig your car so it can't go very fast, it'll definitely limit the bodily damage you are likely to suffer.

The risk has to be weighed agains the cost, convenience, even false sense of security some people will feel. That's not an argument to do without safety innovations but rather, they have to be a solid and proven benefit rather than a marketing gimmick.

RE: Most of the features
By lemonadesoda on 8/29/2006 8:58:24 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing wrong with marketing gimmicks if it helps sells cars.

RE: Most of the features
By Belegost on 8/28/2006 5:22:46 PM , Rating: 2
I can tell you why this is useful, especially in a rear-end collision. My father was involved in a rear-end collision a few years ago. He was simply stopped on a freeway off-ramp, waiting for the light to change. He had his hands lightly resting on the steering wheel, with his thumbs hooked through it.

He never saw the truck that hit him coming. As a result, his thumbs were stuck in the wheel as his body jerked around. It tore the tendons off his thumbs, rendering his hands almost useless. He can't twist a screwdriver, or take off a jarlid, he can even have a pain picking up a full glass of water.

It took over a year of legal battles to get the other driver's insurance company to settle. And now he's beginning the process of approximately $120k worth of surgery to drill holes through his thumb bones and tie new tendon material on.

The doctor says that if he had been aware an accident was likely to happen he would not have these injuries, because his hands would have tightened on the steering wheel, preventing most of the damage.

Rear-end collisions often occur to completely unaware victims, and that can add to the damage done. For instance, a common problem is that people don't usually apply brakes any harder than necessary to stop the vehicle from rolling, so when hit from behind their vehicle jerks forward, possibly hitting other vehicles or pedestrians. A system that simply applies the brakes at full force when a collision is expected could prevent this.

More generally - I will trust an automated system over a human just about any day of the week. The system has known probability of failure, it can be designed to deal with system failures, and it can be improved upon over time. Humans have repeatedly shown they cannot.

RE: Most of the features
By mindless1 on 8/28/2006 10:21:05 PM , Rating: 2
Do NOT apply the brakes at full force, that will INCREASE the impact force dissipated by the car, borne by the driver. It would be far better to completely disengage the brake automatically if only a reliable way of doing it that didn't false detect. That is, unless doing so results in car being pushed into oncoming traffic from other side of the highway.

RE: Most of the features
By rika13 on 8/29/2006 8:19:45 AM , Rating: 2
actually traction control sucks, since it uses the brakes, it can heat them up and kill your brakes, stability control is usually the same way

crumple zones are nice, but superleggera (aka a tube frame) will beat monocoque (nowdays called unibody) since unibody is still just stamped steel; also crumple zones dont deal with intrusion, side impacts, extremely disproportionate vehicles (ford excusion vs honda civic), the dangers of seat belts, etc.

the only three things that are guaranteed to save your life are:

1. maneuverability, get your ass out of that drunk's way
2. brains, dont drive like an idiot
3. size, be bigger than him, you aint going to feel his pain but you will feel yours

To much AI for me
By mendocinosummit on 8/28/2006 2:47:09 PM , Rating: 2
Too many possibilities of a glitch and what if the AI goes hay wirer. I'll stick to my 86 ford diesel; I can still work on that.

RE: To much AI for me
By toyota on 8/28/2006 3:00:04 PM , Rating: 2
If you buy a modern car you wont have to work on it.

RE: To much AI for me
By robber98 on 8/28/2006 3:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
86 ford diesel? Still too many possibilities of a glitch... You should consider bicycle. ;)

RE: To much AI for me
By mendocinosummit on 8/28/2006 3:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
Something is always going wrong with new cars and their comps. I prefer to invest thousands of dollars into a truck with relay switches. Hey, I get 19 mpg using B20 fuel.

RE: To much AI for me
By toyota on 8/28/2006 4:20:07 PM , Rating: 1
That is a stupid reason to hold on to a nearly 21 year old truck. Are you scared of email and those fancy cell phones too??

RE: To much AI for me
By mendocinosummit on 8/28/2006 7:48:25 PM , Rating: 3
This is actually my fourth comp in 2 and a half years, so no; currently a X2 3800 OC to 2.7ghz. I just like to be able to fix or build everything myself; can you do a complete drivetrain shop in your garage with any automobile built in the last 7 years, probably not. They don't want you to, that is how the dealers get all there money. The truck itself has just enough torque and looks cooler than any new truck today.

RE: To much AI for me
By toyota on 8/28/2006 8:09:11 PM , Rating: 2
I dont have time to work on my car. My money is well spent in having reliable modern car. Computers have been in cars for 20 years and aside from 1 sensor going bad on a car back in 1989 I have never had any trouble because of them. Most new cars are basically maintenance free for 100,000 miles. I guess we just have different views.

RE: To much AI for me
By ktlewis02 on 8/28/2006 9:24:18 PM , Rating: 2
You have fun buying a new car every 100 thousand miles. I can't wait to drop a new engine in my truck in a few years (I'm thinking 4 cylinder twin-turbo diesel.. these things are beastly)

RE: To much AI for me
By Christopher1 on 8/29/2006 5:41:20 AM , Rating: 1
Wrong. Sorry, but just wrong. There is NOT always things going wrong with new cars and their computers, according to CR (Consumer Reports), the computer is the one thing that is LEAST likely to have a problem.

Sure, when it has a problem, the car is undriveable usually, but it happen so infrequently, that it is even a worry.

My father has two new cars, and you know what he has had trouble with on BOTH of them? The brakes, not the computer braking system, but the brakes themselves.

RE: To much AI for me
By NoSoftwarePatents on 8/29/2006 1:57:51 PM , Rating: 2
Something is always going wrong with trucks with relay switches. I prefer to invest thousands of dollars into a truck with relay switches. Hey, I get 19 mpg using B20 fuel.

RE: To much AI for me
By PrinceGaz on 8/28/2006 4:46:13 PM , Rating: 3
Once the technology is mature, you'll be a lot safer in a car that drives itself to wherever you selected. So long as the software is well tested and essentially bug-free, in other words from a company with a proven track record for quality software such as Microsoft, you'll be confident knowing nothing can go wrong.

RE: To much AI for me
By ktlewis02 on 8/28/2006 9:25:10 PM , Rating: 1
The sarcasm is killing me

repair costs?
By GoatMonkey on 8/28/2006 2:49:25 PM , Rating: 2
It's a good thing these cars have high quality ratings, I can't imagine what it would cost to repair those systems if something goes wrong. With systems that complex they had better have good mechanics to be able to diagnose and fix any problems that might come up.

Anyone here have a Lexus with over 100K miles on it and want to comment about this? I think the IS350 is looking pretty sweet.

RE: repair costs?
By CorrND on 8/28/2006 2:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
Diagnostics certainly become an issue with mechanics, but that's not really a reason to NOT have these kinds of detection systems. What's the worst case? It acts like a normal car and doesn't detect an imminent crash for you.

RE: repair costs?
By GoatMonkey on 8/28/2006 3:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, I agree. But still, it's a lot of money for all of those little features. But I guess if you're getting a Lexus you probably have the money to pay for the repairs.

RE: repair costs?
By Orbs on 8/28/2006 3:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
What's the worst case? It acts like a normal car and doesn't detect an imminent crash for you.

The worst case is that you begin to rely on it, and suddenly it stops working for you. Now that's an issue with any new technology, and exists regardless of the repair costs. I agree however, that it's not a reason to stop developing these kinds of systems.

RE: repair costs?
By mendocinosummit on 8/28/2006 4:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
Your your head rest or other stuff will start to move when you don't want it to or need it; like driving down the freeway.

RE: repair costs?
By noxipoo on 8/28/2006 4:20:45 PM , Rating: 2
so scary, omg, i'm sure these engineers haven't tested it, just like the breaking system on the new S-Class

RE: repair costs?
By mung017 on 8/28/2006 4:14:42 PM , Rating: 2
How about the car's brakes activating while you're driving 70 mph down the highway because the collision system malfunctions and thinks there's something in front of you?

By peternelson on 8/29/2006 2:49:56 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking from experience, I don't need any system to know that my rear end has been bumped into, I FEEL IT.

And yes there are people drive up your back too close ie tailgating. BUT I SEE THEM IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR. I don't need a warning light to alert me.


I have no easy means of communicating with the driver behind, other than tap my brake pedal so my brake lights flash. Unfortunately not everyone takes the hint.

So I wanted to rig up some sign I could display. Either a card in the back window that lifts up and is visible when I pull a string in the driver seat, OR more high tech a lcd dot display that when powered displays "Keep your distance", "back off now" or some less polite warning.

Whilst such would undoubtedly be useful it may not be legal?

Also it may increase road rage.

My point remains, what use is a proximity hazard warning? What are you supposed to do, put your foot down on the gas and get away from there?

By peternelson on 8/29/2006 2:55:25 PM , Rating: 2
On the other hand if the proximity detection system had a means to record distance, speed, and take a digital photo of the license plate of the tailgating car, THEN if there were laws to outlaw such dangerous practice, THEN handing the data to the police would result in an automatic fine for drivers routinely getting too close, or the revokation of their license altogether.

Then we could have a bumper sticker saying "Tailgate me, and you lose your license, sucker"

It would then be a system worth investing in, just for the fun element ;-)

By Regs on 8/29/2006 5:34:52 PM , Rating: 2
Now that I would like. Of course people might say that's unlawful survaliance or something.

By kilkennycat on 8/30/2006 2:12:41 AM , Rating: 2
A rear mounted harpoon gun would do quite nicely as an active deterrent of the bumper-hugger.

Carless Drivers!!!!
By Masterrer on 8/29/2006 2:33:34 AM , Rating: 2
OMG I can't even bare to read all these comment!
Peolple saying that modern fancy electronics, and safty systems like ABS, ASR, etc. are a good thing and they prevent accidents. Its abslute NONSENSE!
I can't believe that nowadays drivers can't even use pure logic when driving cars. Do you need ASR to prevent your wheels from slipping? Is it so difficult to actually modulate your gas peddal? Or you are so stupid to use it just in on/off position? I believe not.
Poeple are just so lazy to learn to drive properly, and understand the basic physics and dynamics of a moving car.
BETTER DRIVING SCHOOLS. Thats what I would say. Better invest mony in proper driver training, instead of spending it on such exotic safty systems!
Certainly I dont suggest that all technology is bad, sistems like puncture detecions, seatbealt pre tension are a definate pluss, but really, making it standart on production cars, when for example a driver has no option to disable some kind of crazy stability system (which applyes brakes when cornering) makes me really mad.
Do people really believe that you can actually relax when driving a car, relying on safty systems to get you out of any extreme situations, or prevent accidents? This is the source off all problems and high accident rates, that poeple don't actually think of what their doing, relying on compuers to think for them. So if your level of intelect and sense is no higher than that of some safty system like some sability control than I have nothing to say.
I know this is off-topic, but hope this makes sense to some of you.

RE: Carless Drivers!!!!
By redbone75 on 8/29/2006 4:56:56 AM , Rating: 3
I'm going to agree with you and all the people that say the number one thing we need on the road today is better drivers. With that out of the way, I'm also going to say that ANY technological advancement that can assist in the preservation of life is quite welcome in my book. On average there's an accident in the U.S. every six seconds, so yes, I would say we need more of these systems in every car, not just the expensive ones. Give it time, though. There was a time when anti-lock brakes were new and an option available on only expensive cars, but now they are pretty much standard fare on nearly every make and model. And as for having better driving schools and drivers just getting better overall, the sad reality is that there are many poor driving schools and even more poor drivers. The best thing we can do to protect ourselves is to drive defensively and say a little prayer every day for those people who we know are sucky drivers that if they get into an accident they don't hurt anyone but themselves if anyone at all.

By tacorly on 8/28/2006 2:31:11 PM , Rating: 1
So what does it cost to have one of these amazing cars with as many features as were listed?

RE: Price
By MrSmurf on 8/28/2006 2:39:03 PM , Rating: 3
Amazing what one click of the mouse on the internet can do!


By THEREALJMAN73 on 8/28/2006 2:32:16 PM , Rating: 2
That is one sweet looking backseat!!

By Googer on 8/29/2006 2:19:20 AM , Rating: 2
That was so 5 years ago, the backseat looks like it was copied directly from a Maybach!

By jmke on 8/28/2006 4:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
These cars look like rip-off BMW series :/

RE: Lexus?
By lemonadesoda on 8/28/2006 5:04:10 PM , Rating: 2
BMW on the outside (only a bit bigger)

Mercedes on the inside (only not quite as nice as the full leather/exec equipment... except for that stretch limo seat shown in the above picture which looks rather nice)

How much does it cost to replace...
By kilkennycat on 8/28/2006 9:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
... this marvellous system after a minor bumper crunch? Or are the repairs to the system covered free under the Lexus warranty ? Ha, not likely. Yet another way for the dealers to extract money from the mass of electronic/electrical gimmicks on today's cars. Even at a simple level, after say 10 years, how many electrically operated windows still work perfectly in all the conditions that a manual-winder system could handle ?

How about more intelligence behind the steering wheel instead of more (so-called) intelligence under the hood ? How about a device connected to a cell phone that automatically gives an audible and visible warning first and then an electric shock a few seconds later to a driver that attempts to use the cell phone when the car's ignition is turned on ? A far more effective life and accident-saver than this gimmick. My son was rear-ended by a driver using a cell-phone and his car totalled. He suffered minor whip-lash, only thanks to the fact that he is a muscle-builder and has particularly strong neck-muscles.

RE: How much does it cost to replace...
By lemonadesoda on 8/28/2006 9:20:10 PM , Rating: 2
i hope you sued the other driver for negligent driving

By mindless1 on 8/28/2006 10:10:45 PM , Rating: 3
I can see it now, tunes wailing away at a stop light and suddenly they pause, my car announces:

"We interrupt your regularly scheduled programming to bring you this important announcement. You are about to die."

By marvdmartian on 8/28/2006 2:58:18 PM , Rating: 2
Toyota Develops Rear-End Collision Detection System

I thought that was what was commonly known as "whiplash"??

"Hey, I suddenly have whiplash, and heard a big crunch! I bet I just had a rear-end collision!!" ;)

Could be really handy
By carlostequila on 8/28/2006 5:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
the only "rear collision detection" that I have in my car is my wife screaming at me whenever I touch the brakes on the freeway. It works I guess, but this would be considerably less shrill.

Ford had it years ago
By Myrandex on 8/29/2006 8:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
When Ford brought out the new 2004 F150, they had a rear collision system for when backing into spaces or whatever, just so you guys know.

I really dont see the point of this
By Regs on 8/29/2006 8:47:02 AM , Rating: 2
What are you going to do? Slow down, speed up, swirve into the side rails or on comming traffic? If your going to get rear ended there is not much you can do. If anything this thing is just going to increase anxiety.

I don't need a computer to tell me im screwed. It's like Nelson from the Simpsons going "ha-haa".

By margon on 8/29/2006 11:56:29 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't provide any safety improvements it just automatically calls an ambulance chasing lawyer to the scene for you before the accident even occurs

Dailytech proofreading doesn't exist
By Xenoid on 8/28/2006 2:57:11 PM , Rating: 1
It's "I, Robot" not an iRobot marketed by Apple.

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