backtop


Print 37 comment(s) - last by Blackraven.. on Apr 14 at 11:25 PM


Toshiba HD-A20
Toshiba offers "low-cost" 1080p player

Toshiba has announced the availability of its new HD-A20 HD DVD player. The player was first shown earlier this year at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and was projected to have a price tag of $599 -- instead the HD DVD player will be priced at $499.

Toshiba's HD-A20 supports full 1080p resolution unlike its cheaper HD-A2 brother which only supports up to 1080i. Unfortunately, the HD-A20 doesn't feature the HDMI 1.3 interface found in Sony's BD-1200 or PlayStation 3 and instead relies on HDMI 1.2. Without HDMI 1.3, the HD-A20 misses out on xvYCC support, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio and automatic audio syncing. In order to get HDMI 1.3 on an HD DVD player, you'll have to step up to the $799 HD-XA2.

Sub $500 players which support 1080p are few and far between these days. Besides the HD-A20, there's also the $499 USD 20GB PS3 -- the only problem is (1) the 20GB PS3 is extremely hard to come by and (2) it has been discontinued by Sony. Microsoft's $199 HD DVD drive supports 1080p over VGA and when paired with a $299 Xbox 360 Core comes in under $500.

Toshiba also announced that is has sold over 900,000 HD DVD titles to date and promises that 70 more titles will be released between now and July 2007. The company is also talking up its promotion where anyone who purchases a new Toshiba HD DVD player can receive five HD DVD titles for free. Despite the excitement from Toshiba over HD DVD, it looks as though the Blu-ray standard is putting up quite a fight.



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

A little help, please....
By ToeCutter on 4/12/2007 9:29:54 AM , Rating: 3
Just so I understand this correctly: Toshiba is releasing a brand new HD-DVD player, with 1080p support, but has decided to leave out HDMI 1.3?

Further, PS3 supports 1080p and HDMI 1.3, while offering some pretty impressive gaming titles to boot? All for a mere $100 price bump?

Why would anyone purchase a dedicated HD-DVD player without the HDMI audo features?

I guess Toshiba is leveraging the broad confusion over the new HD formats to move some low-end players at premium prices. Seems like a sound business move, until buyers figure out the sham (though, it's unlikely they will)

Even I was bashing Sony for the PS3 launch fiasco, but PS3 is beginning to look like a real bargain compared to the other offerings out there?




RE: A little help, please....
By retrospooty on 4/12/2007 9:56:24 AM , Rating: 3
The PS3 is a console, and most people that want to watch high def movies are not interested in dealing with the UI of a console to do so. I do not.

If you want to compare apples to apples, compare a blue ray player vs an hd-dvd player. hd-dvd comes out much cheaper on all counts.


RE: A little help, please....
By Yeah Yeah on 4/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: A little help, please....
By nerdboy on 4/12/2007 10:42:51 AM , Rating: 3
Actually alot of people the watch HD movies don't like gaming. Since you not reading any one elses post you find that you get 9 free movies if you buy the player so you get more bang for buck with HD player. So you may miss out on playing the 3 titles out for the ps3 that is worth playing but big fucking deal. And there is no UI for a damn VCR you hit a god damn play button. Look at this amazing piece of technology so hard to use. How does it work, oh you just put it slot and press play. They couldn’t set the clock because the technology illiterate and there was no learning curve a retard could do it. Your so called rant was pointless and show how ignorant you are. People like you are reasons why I think there should be an IQ test for everything. Driving, Having Kids, ect...


RE: A little help, please....
By armagedon on 4/12/2007 10:53:13 AM , Rating: 2
what's wrong with you this morning ? You didn't get your milk in time ? What is it with that aggressiveness ? are you 15 years old or what ?
Retrospooty is mostly right. People with full blown living room audio-video setup do not give a damn about a game console. They are buying HD-DVD for watching movie, period. All the "older" folks which are buying that equipment do not play game and don't have the slight interest in that. They just don't write in these forums too.


RE: A little help, please....
By d0gb0y on 4/12/2007 11:04:19 AM , Rating: 2
I know someone who bought the PS3 to only use as a Blue-Ray player. The wife couldn't stand using the controller to start a movie. They took it back and bought an expensive player just for ease of use. I don't blame them.


RE: A little help, please....
By deeznuts on 4/12/2007 12:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
know someone who bought the PS3 to only use as a Blue-Ray player. The wife couldn't stand using the controller to start a movie. They took it back and bought an expensive player just for ease of use. I don't blame them.

They do sell a remote for $25 ($15 for new GCO customers), so go ahead and blame them:
http://www.buy.com/prod/sony-playstation-3-blu-ray...

And about the UI of the PS3, if you don't do absolutely anything but play games, there is no UI. Turn it on, put in the disk, and at most you hit one button, x on the remote. Sometimes (I don't really pay attention) if it is already on the video portion, it just plays automatically.


RE: A little help, please....
By retrospooty on 4/12/2007 12:00:18 PM , Rating: 5
"So basically, people that watch HD movies don't like video games? I am not interested in dealing with your stupidity"

uh... no. People that are interested in both, should buy a console. People that are interested in a standalone 1080p player are not choosing between a PS3, or Xbox with hd-dvd add on, they are choosing between the Toshiba HD-DVD player lineup (expensive)and sony's Blue ray player lineup (rediculously expensive).

I for one, dont want a PS3 or Xbox. I want a high def movie player for my 1080p TV, one that fits horizonally in my entertainment center and comes with a remote control.


RE: A little help, please....
By deeznuts on 4/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: A little help, please....
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2007 1:14:58 PM , Rating: 2
> "The PS3 can sit horizontally "

Not with other equipment on top of it, as most people stack AV gear. It also uses far more power than a standalone player, lacks an extension port, and has significantly less image quality than my HD-A2 when upscaling standard DVDs. Even on HD discs, I give the A2 the edge..though its hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison, as I'm looking at different films each time.

Do I need more reasons I don't have a PS3 in my AV room? Seriously, comparing a console to a standalone player is a bit silly. If you don't intend to play games on it...buy a standalone.


RE: A little help, please....
By retrospooty on 4/12/2007 2:02:17 PM , Rating: 3
"The PS3 can sit horizontally and you can buy a remote. So what's the real reason you don't want it? It's obviously not those two"

ugh... yes, I must have a hidden reason that I do not want to buy a PS3, lay it horizontally and buy a separate remote control just to watch movies. What must I be thinking.

I won't buy any of it until its down below $300.


RE: A little help, please....
By CorrND on 4/12/2007 3:48:30 PM , Rating: 2
You've almost got your wish: pricegrabber is showing the Toshiba HD-A2 going for $311. Another couple weeks and I think it'll be below $300! Can't wait until this fall when it's expected to be around $200.


RE: A little help, please....
By mrteddyears on 4/13/2007 4:40:40 AM , Rating: 2
Is it me or is that people just don’t get the point that not everyone wants a games console to watch movies. I have made a personal choice that as a European I will never buy a SONY product again while I walk this earth and I will never use a games console to watch movies.


RE: A little help, please....
By jamawass on 4/12/2007 11:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
Amazon is listing HDMI 1.3 on this device
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A20-HD-DVD-Player...
. Is that a typo on their part? If it is i'm still tempted to step into HD with this model.


By therealnickdanger on 4/12/2007 12:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
It is a typo, yes. The HD-A20 uses HDMI 1.2. It's still worth getting though, you won't miss out on anything with 1.3.


RE: A little help, please....
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2007 11:19:20 AM , Rating: 3
> " Toshiba is releasing a brand new HD-DVD player, with 1080p support, but has decided to leave out HDMI 1.3?...Toshiba is [moving] some low end players..."

Come sir, this is rather silly. HDMI 1.3 is a pretty minor bump over 1.2...and few if any movie titles are going to take advantage of it. There's a lot more to quality than simply scrolling down a list of buzzwords and feature versions.

The A2 (the earlier version of this) lacks both 1080p and HDMI 1.3...but it upscales standard DVDs better than any player I've yet owned (ncluding my $1200 Denon 3910) and even at 1080i, on my front projector it generates a better image with less artifacting than my PS3 @ 1080p does. On my RP, I'd have to call it a tie, probably because its not quite as good at deinterlacing.


RE: A little help, please....
By Visual on 4/12/2007 12:03:59 PM , Rating: 1
actually, HDMI 1.3 is the most major bump of the specs. it is the only version bump that changes the physical link specification, it more than doubles single-link bandwidth. all other version changes since the inception of the standard changed nothing of the actual connection and just further specified its usage, i.e. they are at least theoretically obtainable with a firmware updates.

whether the increased bandwidth will be necessary any time soon is just speculation, but it wouldn't have hurt the player if it were available.


RE: A little help, please....
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2007 12:27:57 PM , Rating: 3
> "whether the increased bandwidth will be necessary any time soon is just speculation, but it wouldn't have hurt the player if it were available. "

It won't help the player either...that's just the point. The older HDMI 1.2 has more bandwidth than HD films need. What use is any more? And even if the link supported it, you'd need a new playback chipset to utilize it, so the extra bandwidth on a current player does nothing whatsoever.

> it...changes the physical link specification."

It adds a miniconnector....something useful for cameras and camcorders. Not something you'd put on a disc player.


RE: A little help, please....
By hmurchison on 4/12/2007 2:07:55 PM , Rating: 2
ToeCutter

We all bought into the HDMI 1.3 hype but the truth is for the forseeable future both HD formats will mix the audio internally and send out via PCM to your AVR. HDMI 1.3 being able to handle native DTS HD or Dolby TrueHD signals is relatively moot as no HD DVD or Blu-ray player will send the native signal anyways. Why pay a premium on your AVR for a feature that won't be supported anytime soon?


RE: A little help, please....
By Mithan on 4/12/2007 9:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly, HDMI 1.3 isn't a big loss at the moment. Very few receivers (if any) support it anyways and those who really care about it will probably opt for the higher end player anyways, to match it with a brand new receiver that supports it.


Sounds like a good deal...
By cochy on 4/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By therealnickdanger on 4/12/2007 12:51:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
all the news and reports point to this conclusion

No, "all" the news and reports point the fact that Blu-Ray has finally gained ground on HD-DVD after getting its ass handed to it for the first year. They are still within spitting range of one another and both have pretty big exclusives coming this year, so we're still facing a rigorous content battle.

All of this has to be taken with a grain of salt, however, since regular old DVD still stomps the living poo out of both HD formats combined. The HD format war is still incredibly fringe.

If you've got the cash and just have to have the best, buy both BR and HD-DVD and be happy.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By deeznuts on 4/12/2007 1:01:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, "all" the news and reports point the fact that Blu-Ray has finally gained ground on HD-DVD after getting its ass handed to it for the first year

HD DVD had several months lead time. And yes it was handing Blu-Ray it's ass, but I don't see how it can catch up.

I beleive all HD DVD players sold last year, numbered in the low hundred thousands (like 100-300K max) and the 360 Add-on added roughly another 100-200k, Too lazy to look it up. Even by the worst estimates PS3 will outsell that by millions this year, and even with the most conservative attach rates, coupled with the enormous studio support, I'm not sure how HD DVD will pull it off.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2007 1:20:45 PM , Rating: 3
> "I'm not sure how HD DVD will pull it off."

HD-DVD lost ground Jan-mid March, but has been gaining back since then. BD was outselling 3:1 at one point, now its at 1.5:1. Everyone knew the Christmas BD bounce was coming...the question was how long it was last.

And still, the point many people miss is that neither format is winning yet. The number one selling disc for Feb sold under 10K copies worldwide...the average release sells well under 5K copies.

That's not a victory by any stretch of the imagination, and shows the format war isn't going to be won by anyone anytime soon.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By CorrND on 4/12/2007 3:55:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...but I don't see how it can catch up.

HD-DVD is gonna catch up pretty damn fast when they're the first to have a player in the $200 range.

Really, neither format is going to "win" this. Because the discs for both formats are physically compatible, the most likely outcome is dual-format players. They're awfully expensive right now, but I think that's going to be the end-game.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By Moishe on 4/12/2007 2:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
The only way for the format war to be over this year will be by one of the parties giving up prematurely (not gonna happen) or by one of the formats outselling the other one very significantly.

Even the holiday season will not decide the war if both players are still within the same price range with similar media sales numbers. Wars are won by beating the other guy, not by talking or "kinda-sorta" winning. The format war will not be won as long as both still have a chance of winning. It won't be this year unless something odd happens.

I have a problem with how long regular DVDs lasted. The first DVD I bought was probably in 1999 which is 8 years. I'm not sure exactly but DVDs aren't really that old. It's not like we'll lose our existing DVDs but it sure won't be great trying to watch an old 4:3 DVD when we're used to watching HD. Just for that alone I'm willing to hang back a little while and wait until there is a clear winner.

Right now I'm happy with the OTA HDTV and upscaled DVDs. I can't see how people get the money to buy one of everything. No wonder it seems like most people are in debt.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By masher2 (blog) on 4/12/2007 2:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
> " but it sure won't be great trying to watch an old 4:3 DVD when we're used to watching HD"

Watching an upscaled DVD on a HD screen is considerably better than a standard DVD...thats one of the reasons I took the HD plunge a year ago. Of course, I've been buying 16:9 DVDs whenever possible, so the majority of my collection is widescreen format.


RE: Sounds like a good deal...
By Oregonian2 on 4/12/2007 9:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it's not really better than a standard DVD because it IS a regular DVD. Upscaling to a new digital TV does allow the quality to be more fully seen though (what I do at home, btw) and indeed a regular DVD (upscaled and HDMI connected) can look very good indeed!

But I'm not so sure if it's the upscaling or the all digital HDMI connection that makes the big difference (the TV would presumably upscale it anyway).


Sounds Good
By nerdboy on 4/12/2007 9:23:32 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully if they release the 70 new titles they will sell alot more movies and Catch up to the blue ray sells, even know they are not that far behind. The 5 free movies when you buy a player is awesome.




RE: Sounds Good
By AlexWade on 4/12/2007 9:32:41 AM , Rating: 2
Quite frequently, Best Buy and Circuit City have another special in addition to that. 4 free movies on the spot. So, with DVD forum's 5 movies, that makes 9 free movies. If each movie cost $25, that is $225 in free movies. That is almost as much as the low-end player itself. What a deal.

And this brings me to my next point as to why I think HD DVD will win: price. Rumor has it that $100 HD DVD players will be out by Christmas. I don't know about that, but $200 ones by Christmas can very well deliver a death blow to Blu-Ray as Wal-Mart shoppers snag up these things. Right now, both sides only have the rich. Whichever side can get the majority of us poorer consumers will win.

Of course, if HD DVD cannot deliver $200 or less players by Christmas, I think it will lose. Then again, with Samsung releasing a dual-format player soon, maybe nobody will lose. Except for early Blu-Ray adopters who are beta-testers for BD-J.


RE: Sounds Good
By VooDooAddict on 4/12/2007 9:50:49 AM , Rating: 4
I agree

The first one to sub-$200 players and sub-$25 media will "win".

Till that time I don't feel they warrant quality beyond Progressive DVDs to justify the price for 98% of the people out there. Progressive DVD players are dirt cheap and first rate DVDs @ $15.


RE: Sounds Good
By bob661 on 4/12/2007 9:55:12 AM , Rating: 2
This has been out for a while already and can be found on Newegg.


RE: Sounds Good
X360 1080p over $500
By VooDooAddict on 4/12/2007 9:47:17 AM , Rating: 2
X360 1080p is over $500

360 Core + HD DVD Drive + VGA Cable

'Coarse it's got a few more features. Namely the gaming and the ability to plug the USB HD DVD Drive into a PC.




PS3 & BLUE RAY vs BLUE RAY PLAYER
By dudecat64 on 4/12/2007 10:13:08 PM , Rating: 2
I can remember when the ps2 came out. It had the dvd player included. But still people bought dvd players instead of the ps2. Why cause the ps2 was intended to be a gaming system and that is what the ps3 should have been. People are not going to buy a gaming system that they will never play games on for a dvd/blue ray player. That is why we have dvd/blue ray players. It has always been like this since the dvd came out. So for most people not caring about the ps3 as a gaming system will buy it for the blue ray. But for people just looking for blue ray and nothing else will buy the blue ray player and not the over priced ps3.




HD-DVD is on the losing end
By Blackraven on 4/14/2007 11:25:11 PM , Rating: 2
Have you seen what they are doing at Best Buy and Wal-mart? They're tearing their HD-DVD collections down and promoting stacks filled with Blu-ray titles. Heck, even at Amazon, Blu-ray has gained the significant edge.

Latest statistics (ACNielsen/Videoscan) put Blu-ray having a 3:1 lead over HD-DVD.

Combine that with buggy and defective Toshiba hardware (HD-A2 and HD-XA1) and voila, it puts HD-DVD on the bottom end.

HD-DVD is losing fast.




my floppy disk can do 1080p
By GlassHouse69 on 4/13/07, Rating: 0
"If you mod me down, I will become more insightful than you can possibly imagine." -- Slashdot

Related Articles













botimage
Copyright 2014 DailyTech LLC. - RSS Feed | Advertise | About Us | Ethics | FAQ | Terms, Conditions & Privacy Information | Kristopher Kubicki