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TorrentSpy's final message to its users.  (Source: DailyTech)

In its heyday, TorrentSpy claims to have indexed over 1.4 million torrents, with an additional average of 1,000-10,000 torrents added per day.  (Source: DailyTech)
Another one bites the dust

The content industry can scratch another notch into its legal gun this week, after BitTorrent tracker TorrentSpy announced that it has voluntarily shut down as of last Monday.

“We have decided on our own, not due to any court order or agreement, to bring the TorrentSpy.com search engine to an end,” reads a message that is all that remains of the beleaguered tracker. “The legal climate in the USA for copyright, privacy of search requests, and links to torrent files in search results is simply too hostile.”

“We spent the last two years, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, defending the rights of our users and ourselves … Ultimately the Court demanded actions that in our view were inconsistent with our privacy policy, traditional court rules, and International law; therefore, we now feel compelled to provide the ultimate method of privacy protection for our users - permanent shutdown.”

Compared to many of its peers, TorrentSpy’s history is an unusually turbulent one. Many trackers meet their end suddenly, but TorrentSpy was not so lucky; instead, it faced a protracted battle with its foes, fending off a seemingly endless horde of litigation and skullduggery. The site’s legal woes were hallmarked by the discovery that the MPAA paid Robert Anderson, a former advertising partner with the site, $15,000 for a valuable cache of inside information he had obtained after hacking an administrator’s e-mail account, including messages, banking information, passwords, and even parts of the site’s source code.

TorrentSpy’s actions complicated its legal case, however, as court records found the site destroyed evidence and retroactively removed references to piracy on its forums. At one point, it blanked out names of popular movies with censor-like blackouts. Posts containing references to movies like “Spiderman 3” were edited – sometimes months after they were written – to something similar to “[some movie 1].”

Eventually, TorrentSpy lost its legal case, when U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper entered a default judgment against the site and its owners for conduct she considered “obstreperous.”

MPAA Anti-Piracy Director John Malcolm took issue with TorrentSpy’s “characterization” of its closure, noticing that its “voluntary decision conveniently ignores the fact that after two years of intense litigation by the major Hollywood studios, a federal court found TorrentSpy liable for copyright infringement.”

Malcolm claims TorrentSpy’s shutdown – as well as the nine-figure judgment entered against the site’s owners following the MPAA’s legal triumph – is a big victory for content creators, even if the MPAA and its ilk have a long road ahead of them. “Content providers can't afford to sit by and do nothing,” said Malcolm in an interview with Ars Technica. “We've seen some successes, but there is lots of work ahead of us.”



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Not over
By sh3rules on 3/28/2008 8:08:13 PM , Rating: 3
The studios want to blame piracy, but who's buying that?




RE: Not over
By Rob Pintwala on 3/28/2008 8:14:34 PM , Rating: 4
I sure don't.

Perhaps if they took the millions of dollars a year they spend on litigation / "anti-piracy practices", and projected these savings onto the customer, more people might once again purchase their copyrighted content?


RE: Not over
By Odeen on 3/28/2008 8:16:13 PM , Rating: 5
No one is buying it. They're all downloading it from P2P sharing sites.


RE: Not over
By chessmaster42 on 3/29/2008 3:54:24 AM , Rating: 2
But a lot of people, like me, aren't. Who is to say all of those people who downloaded the movie would have bought it?


RE: Not over
By FITCamaro on 3/30/08, Rating: 0
RE: Not over
By idconstruct on 3/30/2008 7:06:34 PM , Rating: 4
My collection of hd releases begs to differ.

I am a student, and I can tell you that if p2p didn't exist, I would have to suck it up and go without any personal media simply because I couldn't afford it.


RE: Not over
By FITCamaro on 3/31/2008 9:02:52 AM , Rating: 2
The majority of people are still buying it. The market just isn't that big yet. Trust me I'm no lover of Blu-ray. Just its the only format now so eventually I'll have to suck it up and buy it since I like having movies.

quote:
I would have to suck it up and go without any personal media


How terrible for you. It'd be like living in a 3rd world country huh? Do we need to get you on TV with Sally to get your plight out to the rest of the world?


RE: Not over
By Woollaa on 3/31/2008 4:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
You are such a kiss-arse.


RE: Not over
By RMSe17 on 4/2/2008 12:05:57 PM , Rating: 2
Free is good! Just like Linux :)


RE: Not over
By walk2k on 3/29/2008 1:45:44 PM , Rating: 1
They want to blame p2p for piracy. Who could possibly deny THAT with any shred of credibility. Sure there are legal uses, linux distrubutions, some game/software companies using it to distribute patches, etc.. But let's be honest here, the vast majority of p2p traffic is piracy plain and simple. People don't even deny it! Instead they try to justify with things like "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" (then you don't GET it sonny, that's how things work in the real world...)


RE: Not over
By Screwballl on 3/29/2008 2:33:38 PM , Rating: 2
This is far from over.
If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns, this is the same line of thinking that RIAA and MPAA is taking. Thinking that you can take away the guns and the ammo and it will stop the illegal activity is complete stupidity.
In reality, bittorrent (and guns) have very legal uses and many/most cases are used for legal purposes. It is those illegal users that are giving it a bad name.

I think that BPI is PARTIALLY on the right track here by forcing the hosts that handle the seeds, torrent files and originating illegal files that should be shut down. Cut out the source of the illegal content and bittorrent continues to be the access method for legal file sharing but at a much higher rate than previously.
Of course the main problem is that anything on the internet is very resilient. Remove one site and 2 more popup in its place... shut down 200 of them and 400 new ones popup. They need to go after certain content providers like Pirate Bay and similar hosts to get the illegal content removed, not the entire site.
With this in mind, it is also an uphill fight. Education is a much more powerful tool than brute force is, but many times a combination of the two is needed to get a job done. Educate the populace worldwide and you will see a much stronger response than just shutting a few major "link warehouses" down.


RE: Not over
By asdf23fvas324rf on 3/29/2008 11:14:11 PM , Rating: 4
In reality, bittorrent (and guns) have very legal uses and many/most cases are used for legal purposes.

not even close. yes, thats true with guns, but most of bittorrents used for legal purposes? had a ct scan lately cause i think something might be wrong with your frontal lobe. sure, quite a bit of bittorrents is used for legal purposes, but MOST? your out of your mind if you think most, or even anything more than 20% for that matter, of bittorrents is used for legal purposes.


RE: Not over
By afkrotch on 3/31/2008 4:08:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'm going to go with, probably less than 1% is used for legal purposes.

Piratebay is a fine example of that.


Hope that it will revive?
By sceptus on 3/28/2008 9:02:15 PM , Rating: 1
I hope that these torrents sites will one day revive, but will revive such that the files shared will all be legit ones (i.e. only files in the public domain, or open source). Then everybody will win - the RIAA will stop complaining about illegal file sharing and pursuing this ridiculous lawsuits, and P2P supporters will have their technology free to use.




RE: Hope that it will revive?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/28/2008 10:17:42 PM , Rating: 5
Pointless. Every time a P2P style of technology is closed down, another one comes along and replaces it. We went from Usenet to Centralized P2P (Napster, etc...) to Decentralized (WinMX, etc...) and over to Bittorent. Granted development and implementation of these technologies was staggered with new ones coming online some time before the old ones died off or were no longer popular. If Bittorent was ever in trouble, a new technology would come along to replace it and this would continue. You simply can't win out against piracy or file sharing in general.


RE: Hope that it will revive?
By tmp8000 on 3/29/2008 12:39:51 AM , Rating: 3
To further that point, when they close down a certain one, a better one replaces it. If they keep attempting to close them all down one day, maybe who knows, someone will develop the ultimate pirating technology that cannot be traced and they'll lose even more business. They are completely killing themselves, and while things like hulu are a small step in the right direction, if they do not change to the current climate they will completely collapse.


RE: Hope that it will revive?
By mindless1 on 3/29/2008 5:32:36 PM , Rating: 3
They have no illusions about stopping piracy, rather they are trying a twofold deterrence plan:

1) Punish a few people, set examples

2) Prevent easy methods - make it difficult enough the average consumer won't be able to do it or won't bother trying to. On this count they have failed and want to eliminate the easiest method which not so coincidentally, has become one of the most popular.


RE: Hope that it will revive?
By sceptus on 3/29/2008 2:32:22 AM , Rating: 2
Huh? I never said anything about current P2P technologies closing down.

I simply was expressing my hope that these torrent sites that are being shut down will someday open up again for public use, such that they are legit. The biggest P2P supporters (including myself) are those who want to use the technology for legit purposes, so if we actually set up some torrent sites that have legit files, then nobody will have the need to shut them down, and P2P users can use those sites to their heart's content.


By StevoLincolnite on 3/29/2008 4:20:42 AM , Rating: 2
WinMX is still alive and kicking, by using MX Pie.


RE: Hope that it will revive?
By Mike Acker on 3/29/2008 7:53:17 AM , Rating: 1
Good post

courts continue to hold that a demonstrable copy right violation does not occur until a client receives an un-authorized copy. this makes it difficult to prosecute as a lot of effort has to go into documenting the actual transfer of the un-authorized copy

DMCA of course makes it illegal to RIP the copyright protection off media and so if you did that and then posted the "free" material on a bITtORRENT you would be advertising and offering all the evidence the copyright holder needs to prosecute you with

a simple way around would be to just not RIP the copyright protection -- leave the client to download the protected media get on sLYwARE and RIP the media himself.

Still, incorporating someone else' copyright material into you presentation creates what is called a 'derivative' and that is a violation of the copyright by itself.

a site like pIRATEbAY for example -- was a massive derivative

I don't think the copyright holders need to seek changes in the law so much as they need to re-think their response processes

they could just hire some college kids to find stuff on p2p nets and save the cost of the expensive lawyers. then just show the p2p is a derivative and get a court order.

it's tough to win at whack-a-mole using a spade because that is the wrong tool. just hire a bunch of kids


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By B3an on 3/28/2008 8:26:31 PM , Rating: 4
"The legal climate in the USA for copyright, privacy of search requests, and links to torrent files in search results is simply too hostile."

Totally agree. When will the US get some sane laws? It's all about greed and money.




RE: ...
By Tsuwamono on 3/29/2008 1:56:22 AM , Rating: 3
Isn't greed and money what the US was founded on? didn't you guys claim independence because you didn't want to pay taxes to Britain? LoL Hurray for staying true to your roots!


RE: ...
By JustTom on 3/29/2008 12:53:13 PM , Rating: 3
I believe it was taxes imposed without a voice. "taxation without representation". In other words governmental theft.


RE: ...
By Chaser on 3/29/2008 1:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
No it wasn't. It was escaping tyranny that "you guys" subjected us to.


RE: ...
By walk2k on 3/29/2008 8:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
it's like, we left that england place because it was totally BOGUS!


Just give up.
By VitalyTheUnknown on 3/28/2008 9:06:40 PM , Rating: 5
Malcolm claims TorrentSpy’s shutdown – as well as the nine-figure judgment entered against the site’s owners following the MPAA’s legal triumph – is a big victory for content creators, even if the MPAA and its ilk have a long road ahead of them.

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RE: Just give up.
By Pirks on 3/28/2008 9:32:22 PM , Rating: 1
Nah, bittorrent trackers are vulnerable still. How about something _really_ invulnerable - Kademlia!

Kademlia alone is something that one can not shut down without shutting down the Internet itself.

Yeah, these MPAA idiots have a long road ahead of them.

Infinitely long.


RE: Just give up.
By achintya on 3/29/2008 1:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
erm. what is Kademlia? (Wiki didnt help, too complex).


RE: Just give up.
By Pirks on 3/31/2008 3:51:32 PM , Rating: 2
Serverless P2P network used by eMule and other P2P apps. You can't shut it down because there are no central servers/trackers/etc.


..
By SlingXShot on 3/29/2008 10:43:51 AM , Rating: 2
I barely heard of torrentspy, there are many more better torrent sites out there. And don't forget these torrent sites are not just in US, they are all over the world.




RE: ..
By poohbear on 3/30/2008 1:41:35 AM , Rating: 2
really? can u give us an example? torrentspy was the best for me.:(


RE: ..
By 4wardtristan on 3/30/2008 2:07:07 AM , Rating: 2
i have to agree there...


I think our legal system could use a few tweeks
By Reclaimer77 on 3/29/2008 9:45:53 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah yeah, I get it. Buying good, downloading bad. Whatever. But how can it be legal for the RIAA to PAY someone to hack a companies private server for the express purpose of buying private user information !?? WTF ?? Maybe I'm crazy, but hacking is illegal last time I checked. Right?

I left this rat race long ago and graduated to the wonderful world of the Usenet. Where its safer, faster, and more bountiful. Not to mention it will never be shut down ever. I'm sure we all had our mothers tell us at one point that " two wrongs don't make a right ". Over the past years the RIAA has engaged in using P2P to upload corrupted or even virused media, and now they are paying people to hack Torrent sites and buying the stolen information. Talk about piracy !! Unbelievable !!

Where does it all end ? The RIAA are the ones that need to be stopped. Way more sinister then some kids downloading songs and movies.




By RMSe17 on 4/2/2008 12:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
yea dude..


Cheers
By batman4u on 3/28/2008 11:48:11 PM , Rating: 2
Anyway Thank you TorrentSpy ..... All those Happy Memories .... :P




RE: Cheers
By Mgz on 3/28/2008 11:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
wow, April's Fool is only couple day away :(


TorrentSpy was dead to me ages ago
By TailsNZ on 3/29/2008 5:36:12 AM , Rating: 1
Eww TorrentSpy has been a piece of shit for a while now. Chock full of ads, pop ups and such, the comment system has been down for months, far less new torrents than other sites, etc etc.




By Synastar on 3/29/2008 9:01:56 AM , Rating: 2
Probably because they were trying to pay for all these court costs.


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By 4wardtristan on 3/30/2008 2:04:46 AM , Rating: 2
damn it.




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