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  (Source: The Pirate Bay via TorrentFreak)
No more torrents will help more content to be shared, render "copyright watchdogs" more toothless

The Pirate Bay has long been synonymous with one thing -- torrents.  The world's largest torrent site has had more than its fair share of legal headaches [1][2][3] over the years for promoting the ubiquitous file-sharing mechanism.  Consequentially on Feb. 29 in will be taking what on the surface appears to be a mind-blowing move -- deleting all torrents hosted directly on the site, which are being actively shared by more than 10 individuals.

But in reality this move is not as mind-blowing and drastic a departure from the site's operational model as some are thinking/hoping/fearing.

The site will continue to host the content, where possible, via magnet links.  All new content will be hosted via magnetic links.

The new approach is a "step forward in technology", according to the site's admins.  And it's the worst nightmare of the Recording Industry Association of America and Motion Picture Association of America.  

The Pirate Bay can now be compressed to a 90 MB torrent-free site, for easy hosting.  Under the new scheme scores of new users will be able to host free proxy servers for The Pirate Bay, helping it escape takedown attempts, local firewalls, or ISP restrictions.

At the same time The Pirate Bay washes its hands of any of the actual process of file-sharing.  It is simply hosting magnet links -- links to torrents which share the same unique hash value.  In that regard, thousands, if not millions of users will be privately hosting the scores of torrents that make up The Pirate Bay users worldwide know and love.

Magnet links

And it will be far harder for lawyers and regulators to pin wrongdoing on The Pirate Bay -- assuming that the members of the international judicial committee understand how the technology works and are willing to give a fair trial, at least.  In short, magnet links are the future of filesharing and The Pirate Bay's decision to force their adoption is a sound one in terms of its future.

Magnet links represent the supreme ultimatum to media organizations (many of which themselves engage in active for-profit piracy that steals hundreds of millions of dollars from independent artists annually):

Develop fair, reasonably priced, accessible content distribution and create content that users think is actually worth paying for, or you can and will be pirated.

In essence it will be impossible for the RIAA or MPAA to put millions of Americans in prison or fine them.  So ultimately, magnet links and other new technologies may force the RIAA, MPAA, and government to abandon traditional enforcement of file-sharing.  Thus the groups' long-standing dream of taking down The Pirate Bay's torrents has just become their worst nightmare. 

It should be interesting how the self-proclaimed "anti-piracy" advocates by day, for-profit pirates by night globally react to this new technological marvel.

Sources: The Pirate Bay, Torrent Freak



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FTW
By Motoman on 2/14/2012 12:59:44 PM , Rating: 5
While I wouldn't ever encourage anyone to pirate anything...I have to say that I am quite pleased with anything that will cause the RIAA/MPAA/etc. to have a hissy fit. Hope they choke on it.




RE: FTW
By Sazabi19 on 2/14/2012 1:10:29 PM , Rating: 3
I have pirated games before on my computer. I think that games should be free to play (at least demos like there used to be) with an option to upgrade for more features/areas/contect/etc... so that you can actually play the game and see it and decide if you want it. I have played a few games like this online and the ones I like I can pay for. I am willing to pay for games that I like and play, even usually more than a $50 game I only pay for once, that model just seems nicer to me. I pirated Mirrors Edge not sure if I would like it. After playing a few levels I deleted it from my machine and purchased it from EA. I have no problem paying for the items I want and would like to support (I also buy a lot of my music, I like to support my artist) and I think that if you give people the option to do this companies would start seeing more money and loyalty. Maybe I'm crazy?


RE: FTW
By aguilpa1 on 2/14/2012 1:18:18 PM , Rating: 3
You crazy.., just kidding. I have gotten bitten to many times with buying a game that turns out to be complete crap.


RE: FTW
By 0ldman on 2/14/2012 1:59:18 PM , Rating: 4
Back to the Future for the NES.

Crappiest birthday present I ever got and Walmart wouldn't take it back. It was put in my NES a total of 4 times, once when I got it and found out how horrible it was and 3 times to show various people how horrible it was.

Should be a crime to make a game that bad.

That being said, I've probably got over $1500 invested in various racing games and peripherals, nearly every Street Fighter out there, pirated a couple of games and bought them because they deserve to be paid for their work.

Make sure the product is worth the money and the DRM doesn't make it easier to pirate than purchase and people will buy it.

Sad fact, I've had a few movies I've bought on DVD that won't display properly on my TV, several that wouldn't read in a PS3 or my PC. I downloaded a ripped copy of a DVD that I own so I could watch it full screen without buggy menus, tiny video or trailers that I couldn't skip.


RE: FTW
By SeeManRun on 2/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: FTW
By BioHazardous on 2/14/2012 2:31:26 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
There are tons of products that turn out to be bad that you are stuck with. For example, you tried the no name brand of Cheerios and didn't like them, can you expect a refund? Should have you stolen them first and if you liked them then start buying them? What about a lemon car; I can't imagine you would advocate stealing a Ford Focus to try it out before buying it.


Your examples are pretty bunk. Cheerios are not a product that people aren't already familiar with. That being said, they give away samples of cereal all the time to get people to try their product before they buy it.

Also I'm pretty sure you can go down to your local Ford dealer and test drive a Focus before you buy it.


RE: FTW
By Sazabi19 on 2/14/2012 2:58:01 PM , Rating: 4
There are also lemon laws for vehicles to where you WILL be refunded.


RE: FTW
By vapore0n on 2/15/2012 8:00:41 AM , Rating: 2
Very bad analogy. Lemon laws are to protect the public from manufacturer defects and dealers that wont help you out.

You cant call lemon law on a car you bought, drove it for a day, and now dont like.


RE: FTW
By tamalero on 2/15/2012 10:57:16 AM , Rating: 4
Actually, it is a good analogy.
Have you forgot how many games are so buggy as hell its not even funny?
the Batesda ones are fine examples of this.


RE: FTW
By MonkeyPaw on 2/14/2012 3:56:26 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, you can return food to the store, and the general policy is to take it back, no questions asked. I have done so before when what I ate tasted terrible. It's just that our perception of food purchases is such that we don't return it, but rather we just don't buy it again. That's because food is fairly predictable, while "art" and technology are not.


RE: FTW
By JediJeb on 2/14/2012 6:32:33 PM , Rating: 5
Also if Cheerios were priced at $50 per box, I imagine more people would be returning a bad box than throwing them out. On the other hand if video games only cost $3 each then more people would buy them not worrying if they were going to be bad or not.


RE: FTW
By dgingerich on 2/14/2012 6:37:07 PM , Rating: 2
On top of all the other arguments about food and cars and such, there is also the matter of money.

If you buy a car, you're going to test drive it. Anyone who doesn't test drive a car before buying gets what they deserve.

If you buy food you don't like, it's a whole lot cheaper than a video game. So what if you're out $4 on a box a cereal, or $3 on a can of corned beef hash? That's no big deal.

However, not being able to test drive a game before buying, or listen to a CD before buying, is a bad thing all the way around. I have been stuck with games I spent $40-60 on and they were horrible. With the whole anti-piracy thing, we can't take them back. I have at least a dozen CD's that I bought before the whole mp3 thing took off that are absolutely horrible. I'm out $15 each on those. New albums, known artists, one good song I heard, and the rest of the disk sucked. I figure I'm out about $4000 on stuff like this that I tried, hated, and never used again. What's worse is I can never tell when the next one is going to be. The "entertainment" companies thrive on that very business model. That's what's criminal.

At least at a movie theater, I can walk out halfway through a bad movie and ask for my money back. There really isn't a reason to pirate movies. Sure, lots of movies suck. Go to the theater and check them out, and if you don't like it walk out and ask for your money back from the theater. If you wait until it comes out on DVD, talk to friends who have seen it, read critical reviews, but don't pirate the movie. That is just stealing.


RE: FTW
By Solandri on 2/14/2012 2:45:52 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
For example, you tried the no name brand of Cheerios and didn't like them, can you expect a refund? Should have you stolen them first and if you liked them then start buying them?

Consumables like food generally aren't refundable. Movies, music, and games aren't consumables.

quote:
What about a lemon car; I can't imagine you would advocate stealing a Ford Focus to try it out before buying it.

No need to steal one because car dealers let you take a car out for a free test drive before buying it. So the question is, why can't you take music or movies out for a free test drive before buying them?

Back when they were still around, the retail music stores would let you listen to CDs before buying them. And Amazon (and I presume iTunes) lets you hear part of a song before buying it. I think that's the direction the studios need to go on this if they want to reduce piracy. People want to preview these products before buying. Preventing such previews or making them difficult will just drive people towards piracy.

quote:
Risk is part of the purchase; read the back of the box, read reviews, talk to friends, then decide for or against the purchase. Since when is it risk free to be a consumer with a guarantee of satisfaction?

Actually, I don't think anyone buys a movie they've never seen. They've seen the movie, and liked it enough to want to own a copy. People who've just read a few reviews or heard from friends that it's a good movie will typically rent or pirate it.

The reason online movie piracy is rampant is partly because the industry has been slow to support streamed rentals at a reasonable price (e.g. Netflix). In general, people aren't evil.* They realize a lot of work and money went into making a movie, and they're willing to do the right thing and pay for it. But at the same time they want it to be convenient for them. If you make it a contest between convenience for themselves versus doing the right thing for the studios, their convenience is going to win out and they'll just pirate it.

* All of civilized society is based on this premise that people in general aren't evil. If you've ever seen a riot, you've seen that the police force in every civilized country is vastly inadequate for keeping peace and order if people in general were evil. So any legal construct which is based on the assumption that people are evil is flawed IMHO. Let people do whatever they want, and make illegal the few behaviors which are undesirable. Do not assume everyone is evil, and make laws which make it impossible for people to even have the opportunity to engage in undesirable behaviors (e.g. DRM).


RE: FTW
By SeeManRun on 2/14/12, Rating: -1
RE: FTW
By edge929 on 2/14/2012 4:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
Not all music I like is featured on the radio. I live in the largest city in my state and we have only two local radio stations that venture out of the "pop/country/oldies/classic rock" music genre. I don't prefer any of those genres (although I can listen to classic rock from time to time). If I'm sitting at my computer, I'm nearly always playing a game so internet radio stations don't apply to me. At work, we aren't allowed to stream.


RE: FTW
By Camikazi on 2/14/2012 4:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
Not all groups have the money backing to get on the radio these days. It takes HUGE amounts of money to get your song played on the radio now, which is why you only hear the same 20 or so songs on the radio now.


RE: FTW
By JediJeb on 2/14/2012 6:36:43 PM , Rating: 2
How often does the radio station play all the tracks from a CD instead of only one or maybe two? You can't preview an entire CD by listening to only two tracks.


RE: FTW
By nafhan on 2/14/2012 4:20:22 PM , Rating: 2
I think the real problem is that most people don't intuitively understand how to deal with non-consumable goods. Some try to equate it to stealing, which it's not, and this just confuses the issue further.
I've found that the best thing to do is:
A) look at it from a legal perspective. The law's say "this" so base your decisions on the legality of what you're doing.
B) patron of the arts perspective. Do you feel like this "work of art" (i.e. a product of the mind) is good enough that you would like it's creators to continue producing similar works?

Looking at those two questions, I feel that "B" is more important, and that I feel obligated to ensure that the creators of the work get at least some money if the work is worth my time in the first place.


RE: FTW
By thatmikeguy on 2/14/2012 4:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
I do not pirate anything at all these days, because I can simply rent whatever I want for far cheaper than I can buy it, or in less time than finding/downloading/paring/extracting/scanning/conv erting/testing/re-sizing/saving it, all on top of hardware costs. I'll never have enough time to watch/play everything I'd like anyway, and that's without watching or playing something more than once.


RE: FTW
By someguy123 on 2/14/2012 10:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
i don't really think it's fair to say that people pirate because of lack of availability on stream. I'd say the majority of pirates are simply people not interested in buying the product in the first place, then you have another category created by the insanely intrusive DRM and advertising schemes movie studios have been implementing and looking for an easier solution, and to a certain degree people who just don't feel like paying even if they want the actual product.

I personally agree that there should be better methods of preview, but it's hard to do with video games. Games rely heavily on the launch sales, since that's when they get the most attention and subsequent shelf space. Games are also created using a lot of redundant information distributed throughout the disc. To get a demo you'd either need an entirely separate demo build or a slice of the actual game (which would require most, if not all of the game's assets to be installed). It's much easier said than done. You can't really resale a game multiple times like you can with a movie, going from theaters to blu-ray to PPV to licensing etc.


RE: FTW
By kmmatney on 2/15/2012 1:31:59 PM , Rating: 1
WHile I would never take back a bad box of cereal, my wife returns stuff like that all the time to the store. They always take it back - no problem.

At least you can test drive a Ford Focus. I travel a lot so I get to rent potential cars I might buy (Just rented a chevy Traverse and really liked it).


RE: FTW
By priusone on 2/14/2012 2:30:59 PM , Rating: 5
Back when I was a kid, I would take apart our VHS tapes and literally cut out the 10 minutes of commercials from the beginning. I rip the DVD's now, remove the bloat, and burn the vobs onto DVD's, put those in the DVD case, and then put the originals in my room. This way, when I want to watch a DVD that I have purchased, I don't have to sit there and keep pressing the menu button just to get to the title screen. It is the MPAA's fault for making .avi files so much easier to deal with than DVD's.


RE: FTW
By The Raven on 2/14/2012 5:13:30 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah and they keep holding back features so that you have to keep buying 12 different versions of the same damn movie. It makes me want to break into the damn Disney Vault and spread the contents to the masses lol. I think this is one the reasons why people stop buying crap. They have to upgrade their collection every 5 years because of the next big thing. Well unfortunately for the studios, I think the 3D fad isn't cutting it and everyone is happy with DVDs and/or BDs. Their revenue stream will dry up fast (the disc sales portion of it I mean). So I would expect other portions of their sales to experience a price increase (e.g. theatre tickets, online rentals/Netflix, etc.).

If I am right, I think piracy will decrease due to the increased satisfaction people have by buying discs. But piracy will increase when they raise prices in other areas. Whatever... I have Netflix (ironically something the studios want to kill) and have not had the inclination to pirate ever since I first subscribed. I have so much stuff to watch via Netflix that I don't have time to watch anything else (e.g. pirated movies).


RE: FTW
By priusone on 2/14/2012 2:32:28 PM , Rating: 2
Back when I was a kid, I would take apart our VHS tapes and literally cut out the 10 minutes of commercials from the beginning. I rip the DVD's now, remove the bloat, burn the vobs onto DVD's, put enhanced DVDs into the original case, and then put the originals in my room. This way, when I want to watch a DVD that I have purchased, I don't have to sit there and keep pressing the menu button just to get to the title screen. It is the MPAA's fault for making .avi files so much easier to deal with than DVD's.


RE: FTW
By priusone on 2/14/2012 2:38:51 PM , Rating: 2
My apologies for the double post; I received a server error from Dailytech, pressed the back button... pressed the submit button again... received another server error from Dailytech (mind you, I was also talking with someone through my gmail, so I know the problem wasn't on my end. I really need to just block this site so that I'm not tempted to return, only to get pissed because the site likes to error out and the admins are too stupid to fix it. I'm having flashbacks to how MySpace was back in 2005-2006.


RE: FTW
By Gondor on 2/15/2012 11:05:42 AM , Rating: 2
Never owned a NES so I looked it up. It turned out somebody has made a review of this "game" (and its sequel) and posted it on Youtube. You can check it out, the video is interesting to watch if you're unfamiliar with the game as I was :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y306cWw98a4


RE: FTW
By superstition on 2/15/2012 4:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
Nintendo kept far better games from being sold in the US because it felt:

a) Americans are too stupid to play them (the actual sequel to Super Mario Bros., which was released much later in the US on the SNES as "The Lost Levels" as part of Super Mario All Stars)

b) Americans are too stupid to deal with choice (the sequels to Final Fantasy I)

But, don't try to post anything about that on the NES Wikipedia page.


RE: FTW
By masamasa on 2/14/2012 4:33:51 PM , Rating: 2
Completely agree. Games and movies. Paid far too many times for what could unquestionably be considered absolute crap. I won't buy a game anymore without a demo or a rating of 9 or higher by the general public. As for movies, they love to pump their ratings, even on total chunder so I have no problem when someone hands me a copy of a movie they ripped off.

Point being, I've paid for my fair share of crap. Stop turning out utter crap product, trying to pull the wool over the consumers eyes, and expect to get away with it. I hope the RIAA and similar companies choke as well!

Good on the Pirate bay, even though I don't use it, for giving them the middle finger.


RE: FTW
By Iketh on 2/14/2012 7:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
I got bit for the first time recently when I purchased RAGE based solely on who was involved in the development and the writing on the back of the box. What a mistake...


RE: FTW
By nafhan on 2/14/2012 4:00:52 PM , Rating: 3
That's just another excuse to pirate things. You don't need a $60 game right now . If you can't afford $60, there should be a ton of games that are 2 or 3 years old you could buy for less than $10. If there are NO games from 2 or 3 years ago that you haven't played and you can't afford to pay $60 for a game, I'll go out on a limb and say you spend to much time playing video games :) The "having a little patience" system works great for me. I got Deus Ex Human Revolution on sale on Steam a few months back for $10. That game was worth my $50 way more so than Mirror's Edge! If that game had a developer tip jar, I would have dropped some money in.

Anyway, not judging, I think games are overpriced, and I'm just mentioning that there are legal alternatives that will let you play them for less.


RE: FTW
By Boze on 2/14/2012 5:32:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think games are overpriced


Are you completely off your rocker? Games are overpriced?

My parents paid $49.98 plus tax for The Legend of Zelda in 1987 after I got all As in second grade. I got a new game every time I scored perfect scores for each report card.

The last game I bought was Mass Effect 2 for $49.99.

One cent of inflation in over 25 years? And you call that overpriced? The most expensive game I ever bought was Chrono Trigger, at $69.99 plus tax, in 1994 or 5, or whenever it came out.

If you adjust my parents' purchase of The Legend of Zelda for inflation, it would cost $101.50 today.

You could buy a can of Coca-Cola for a quarter in 1987. Now good luck finding a can for less than $0.65.

Think about that for awhile. Think about it hard.


RE: FTW
By JediJeb on 2/14/2012 6:49:12 PM , Rating: 3
Cokes around here are still $0.50 in the vending machines and if you buy a 12 pack they are less than that.

Sure that Zelda game would cost over $100 now adjusted for inflation, but what would the game console also cost if adjusted similarly? The technology has advanced so much that making a game is much less expensive now than then, and honestly some of those games back then had more thought put into their story lines than some of the junk today. How many ways can you shoot zombies anyhow?!

How many movies do you need about zombies also? Seems half the movies out recently are either another way to tell a zombie story or a remake of a remade movie that happened to be a hit 50 years ago when it was originally made the first time.


RE: FTW
By someguy123 on 2/14/2012 10:47:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The technology has advanced so much that making a game is much less expensive now than then


This is just insane. The average game costs about twenty million dollars and a fleet of employees to make nowadays. Compare that to Rare making games with a handful of guys, or hell Will Wright making games in his basement.

Games are literally cheaper than they used to be, yet they cost much more to make, and take longer to make. I don't know where this idea that games are overpriced comes from. Just because someone tosses a game out on android/ios market for free doesn't mean that games cost nothing to make.


RE: FTW
By TSS on 2/15/2012 6:27:57 AM , Rating: 3
That was not what he ment.

The legend of zelda cost $6 million to develop back in 1985-86. If you where to make the exact same game today, same graphics same functionality, you could probably make it for under $100,000 of todays money, which would be $50,000 in 1986 money. While that $6 million back then would be $12 million now.

That's the point. The same amount of money spent got you zelda 2 in 1987 and call of duty 4 in 2007.

Games have gotten cheaper because of economy of scale. Zelda was the first game to hit more then 1 million units sold in the USA, and managed 6,5 million worldwide, while targeted at a pretty broad audience. CoD4 managed 13 million sales worldwide while being targeted at a pretty select audience (the action FPS crowd), with much more market saturation from similar games. There's simply a much larger market.

Even so you're not correct because, minecraft. Cost nothing to make, made ~$60 million i'm sure of and probably another ~10 million i missed. The old school way lives, there's just a huge, mature market ontop of it which makes it a bit more rare to come by.


RE: FTW
By superstition on 2/15/2012 4:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Cartridge ROMs were also more expensive to produce, physically, than digital downloads.

Atari used to play freelancers to shrink code so it would fit into smaller ROMs. That's how Jobs' first known con came to pass.


RE: FTW
By someguy123 on 2/16/2012 1:15:12 AM , Rating: 2
That doesn't make any sense either, because those types of games are sold for dollars, or given away for free on platforms like android/iOS. Minecraft is also sold for 15 dollars, and is a rare case in general since it was an infiniminer clone developed by one person. Those types of indie games normally track to thousands, not millions like minecraft, which is why minecraft gets so much attention.

Games considered out of date and easily made thanks to software advancements are incredibly cheap, and games utilizing massive developers are also cheaper. How exactly are games more expensive nowadays?


RE: FTW
By TSS on 2/17/2012 6:49:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How exactly are games more expensive nowadays?


Sigh...

What do you think costs more money to make? A main character which consists of a 2D sprite or a main character consisting of 10,000 polygons + rig + animations + diffuse skin + specular skin + normal map made from a 1,5 million polygon version of the same model?


RE: FTW
By pwnsweet on 2/14/2012 6:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you adjust my parents' purchase of The Legend of Zelda for inflation, it would cost $101.50 today.


That's about exactly what we pay for games here in Australia.


RE: FTW
By StevoLincolnite on 2/14/2012 10:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's about exactly what we pay for games here in Australia.


And it sucks.

They wonder why people Pirate? They should lower the price so it's more affordable.

Heck, our dollar is higher than the USD yet no price drops on games, it's simply crap.
They can all burn in hell for being money hungry; price gauging wankers.


RE: FTW
By derricker on 2/14/2012 8:29:13 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Are you completely off your rocker? Games are overpriced?


Well, if you take in account not that you no longer purchase games, they grant you a license to use, and they intend to move to server side and/or streaming, yeah, games have become of the most over expensive utter pieces of shit you can find in a market.

Your comparison with Zelda is moot, back then you paid for the game and took the cart home and it was yours to do as you saw fit, including trading it with friends and selling it used.

$60 for a POS they won't allow me to own, yes, absolutely over priced, $100+ for an actual purchase, fair price.


RE: FTW
By someguy123 on 2/14/2012 10:50:00 PM , Rating: 3
That's how it's always been. Software has always been licensee, your zelda cart or otherwise. The only difference now is that people can regulate copying/distribution a bit using online verification. Yeah it sucks, but nothings changed when it comes to ownership.

Don't copy that floppy.


RE: FTW
By superstition on 2/15/2012 4:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
Duplicating a floppy is not the same as re-selling a used game.


RE: FTW
By someguy123 on 2/16/2012 1:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
That was just a reference to the old antipiracy campaigns. Google "don't copy that floppy".


RE: FTW
By nafhan on 2/15/2012 9:56:48 AM , Rating: 2
So... you're telling me what I can think? Sorry, but that's dumb. To me (key words there) most games are not worth $50-$60. Therefore: "I think games are overpriced." If the economics of game development and the rate of inflation are important considerations for you when you purchase games... good for you, I guess? Personally, I buy stuff when the price matches what it's worth to me .


RE: FTW
By voodoochile123 on 2/15/2012 2:20:37 AM , Rating: 1
I think everything should be free in life. So I can just sit at home and do nothing and have an endless supply of food, wine, music, films, games, and prostitutes. I'm not quite sure why anyone would work to create these things for me though.. but lets not let thinking get in the way of my desire to have everything for free. Long live theft!


RE: FTW
By JediJeb on 2/15/2012 6:16:14 PM , Rating: 2
Are you from Greece? :)


RE: FTW
By voodoochile123 on 2/16/2012 2:37:06 AM , Rating: 2
No but I am a greasy thief.


RE: FTW
By tastyratz on 2/14/2012 1:52:46 PM , Rating: 2
oh I love it too, one more good chess move against the **AA

I understand magnets are where tpb is going, but I think a link or blurb about what makes a magnet different from a torrent and comparing/contrasting them would have been useful to this article. I will now go out and research myself because I am curious, but a 1 stop would not have been bad. Magnets are referenced as a matter of fact alternative solution in the article.


RE: FTW
By Solandri on 2/14/2012 2:53:00 PM , Rating: 4
I'm actually curious what would happen if they linked to a Google search for the torrent. "We're not hosting any files or torrents, we're just showing you where to find them with Google."


RE: FTW
By Korvon on 2/14/2012 1:55:01 PM , Rating: 2
I used to be a huge game pirate until steam came along. You make something easy to use, make the DRM seamless so you dont even know its there and people will use it. Not to mention steam sales... my wallet takes a hit every time one of those happens.


High Horse
By Theoz on 2/14/2012 1:26:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Develop fair, reasonably priced, accessible content distribution and create content that users think is actually worth paying for, or you can and will be pirated.

Yes, because of course people won't pirate things that are reasonably priced, accessible, and that they think are worth paying for. You can and will be pirated either way, because anonymous stealing is easy and unlikely to be prosecuted.

Agree that there is some give and take with the level of pirating vs. the accessibility and price of content, but it isn't absolute as you state. I don't understand why you need to include this asinine statement into an article that is factually interesting, especially given recent SOPA/PIPA news. Just report the news please.




RE: High Horse
By prophet001 on 2/14/2012 1:42:36 PM , Rating: 2
So true.

I was going to post something to the same effect.


RE: High Horse
By Denigrate on 2/14/2012 1:48:44 PM , Rating: 2
There will always be jokers who want something for nothing. However, that small percentage wouldn't buy the game/book/movie/music even were it priced reasonably. The majority want to reward those artists/publishers who please them, and will be more likely to do so with reasonble pricing.


RE: High Horse
By twhittet on 2/14/2012 2:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
Also, along the same lines - when user 1 pirates something, says it's awesome, and tells all his friends, user 2 hears how awesome it is, and goes and buys it. Piracy can be a free advertising tool for a good product.

Piracy hurts those with crappy products the most (a good reason why The Hurt Locker was trying to sue the whole country). Good products make $, bad products don't. Isn't this capitalism at it's finest?


RE: High Horse
By Manch on 2/15/2012 1:33:31 PM , Rating: 1
No, it just means user 1 is a thief.
User 2 could just as easily get a word of mouth review from other people that have also bought the product. Review sites *ign, gamespot, etc are other places that user 2 could have acquired information.

Piracy hurts everyone. Piracy ups the price, makes companies employ ever more invasive DRM schemes that only hurt paying consumers. Piracy is the reason why good PC games are so far and few now. Yeah theres piracy on consoles but not to the extent of PCs

The makers of The Witcher got it right. No crazy DRM on their game. Following the logic of a lot of people on this article, they should have been relatively safe from piracy. Nope, there game was still pirated like crazy.

You can try to justify stealing as free advertising, sampling, sticking it to the evil corporations or whatever you want to call it but stealing is stealing.

I dont agree with how a lot of companies apply DRM. I think its invasive and detrimental to the user experience, but I cant blame them for wanting to protect their property.

While were at it, lets address other reasons people pirate

Games cost too much: Well too bad. Wait till theyre on sale. I want a Mustang BOSS. Cant afford it. Ill have to wait until I 1 afford it, buy it used at a cheaper price.
There are lots of things I cannot afford, but that doesnt give me the right to steal them

I cant try games before I buy: You can, not all, but lot of them have demos. Try it out at a friends house. If a demo is not available then you have to choose. Now you used to be able to return games. Unfortunately since people would just buy the game, copy it, and return it, store policies changed. Same with DVDs. People that pirated created the hostile atmosphere at retail stores.

The content doesnt justify the price: Then dont buy it!

I g=could go on forever with all the BS reasons for justifying pirating. Hell, I used to do it when I was a kid. Once I grew up, got a job and realized I dont like people stealing my stuff I couldnt justify it anymore.

Ive been burn buy crappy games. HomeFront was a joke. I wish I had waited, instead of preordering it. If I had, I would have read teh reviews and not bought it.

Anyways, the point is, no matter how you slice it, piracy is stealing, not capitalism, not justified, or any of the other crap arguements.


RE: High Horse
By Tyr0ne on 2/14/2012 3:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I have bought several iPhone apps that are great. Why? Because for 99 cents or $1.99 cents that reasonably priced and its easily accessible.


Pretty naive I'd suggest
By Beenthere on 2/14/2012 5:49:40 PM , Rating: 2
Do you really think the RIAA/MPAA will not be able to continue prosecuting pirates that illegally access protected works via TPB or elsewhere? If so, then you're very naive.




RE: Pretty naive I'd suggest
By Magnus909 on 2/14/2012 6:21:11 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think they will get any ONE when it comes to torrents.
At least not in a country (like Sweden) where you have to download/share a lot of movies and songs.
That is because if the "pirate hunters finds you in the peer list for one torrent, then they can't tell what other torrents your are seeding/leching from.

They just have to randomly try to download different torrents until they stumble on a second torrent that you may seed at the moment. If you occur in the list of peers, which most don't if it is a well-seeded torrent anyway.

So, if they don't find you actively downloading files via torrent when doing, for example, a search of a house for another crime and also find out that a person is downloading/seeding on a computer in the same house, as a case here in Sweden, then they CAN'T do anything about filesharing via torrents.
One file is nothing!

That is, until they decide to let the ISP;s do a massive surveillance with packet inspection and so on. And still that would be very hard to administer for the millions and millions of users.

The filesharers that get caught are using dc++, kazaa and other services and are also kind of stupid to let the sharing folder be anything else than harmless files like Linux-distros and so on (which was something that could be used back when dc++ was popular).


RE: Pretty naive I'd suggest
By Skywalker123 on 2/14/2012 6:38:09 PM , Rating: 1
You're an idiot.


RE: Pretty naive I'd suggest
By joex444 on 2/14/2012 8:19:52 PM , Rating: 2
This isn't about suing individuals. RIAA already stated that is not a viable option. They've lost a lot of money trying to do that. What that means is they would have made more money not suing pirates.

This is about torrent sites like TPB being shut down by governments. A magnet link is just a hash value. You see, TPB currently is hosting .torrent files which directly get you access to material. The hash value is not a torrent file. And it isn't "hosted" anywhere. And did you see the part where the entire site ends up being a 90MB database with some web interface scripts? They can literally provide a magnet link to TPB itself and let anyone host a mirror of it.


For some people pirating is like an obsession.
By serkol on 2/14/2012 2:01:52 PM , Rating: 2
Some people will spend a day searching for a cracked version of a $5 smartphone app.




By inighthawki on 2/14/2012 2:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
I bet there are some people who will also spend several days looking for a $1 or $2 app too :)


Age of Apocalypse
By GuinnessKMF on 2/14/2012 1:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
I don't torrent but ... that image really made me want the complete run of Age of Apocalypse to reminisce on childhood comics.

Checking Amazon, it looks like it's 3 $20 books, and a 4th book which is unavailable. I would have to wait for shipping and by then I would lose interest. It's not like I wouldn't be willing to pay, but that's an absurd price (or view on their website in some flash/silverlight app with ads), and I would much rather have it in digital form.

I understand why people do torrent.. I'll just move onto the next distraction and they'll get nothing from me.




New laws
By mattclary on 2/14/2012 5:59:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In essence it will be impossible for the RIAA or MPAA to put millions of Americans in prison or fine them.


You underestimate how far the lapdogs in Washington D.C. will go for their masters.




You Say...
By mmatis on 2/15/2012 10:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
"And it will be far harder for lawyers and regulators to pin wrongdoing on The Pirate Bay -- assuming that the members of the international judicial committee understand how the technology works and are willing to give a fair trial, at least."

Why would anyone think that Our Betters have any interest in doing that? We have not been under Rule of Law for quite some time now.




Spore...
By kmmatney on 2/15/2012 1:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
I have to day I mostly use TPB for copyrighted material. The most recent game I had to download was Spore. My son bought the deluxe version with his own money a few years back ($70). It installed and worked back then. In the mean time we upgraded his computer, and we tried installing again and it wouldn't accept his CD code. I called EA (spent 1 hour one he phone!) and they said they reset things, and gave us a new code. That didn't work, and I spent another hour on the phone. Finally, I just went to TPB and downloaded a cracked version and its running fine. Thanks EA!




thing is
By ballist1x on 2/16/2012 4:11:54 AM , Rating: 2
They've been trying to sell artwork as a physical product for some time, and we actually quite like it.

But how about this, forget BD, DVD etc, would you prefer it if you just paid a subscription to say, Disney, and you could watch their back catalogue on demand?

No more LTD edition or collectors edition or DVDs to mess about with, just direct stream from the producer. Or reseller of said producer?

That avoids format clashes, upgrade issues, but also removes the point of ownership.

I suspect that ownership and format compatability will never work harmoniously.




Defending piracy in any capacity...
By Willhouse on 2/14/12, Rating: -1
By Rukkian on 2/14/2012 4:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
I don't acutally pirate, (anymore) but I also see his point. It used to be that pretty much all games had playable demos (not just the videos of handpicked short gameplay) and you could try them out.

Unfortunately, the studios would rather pump out 200 crap games and flood the market while only putting out 1 or 2. I also don't put alot of stock in most reviews, as many are biased. I would probably buy more games if I could try them first, as I am not keen on paying $50 (or more) on games that will not hold my interest.

In the past I used to torrent some games if it was something I was pretty sure I would not like. There were a few that I was pleasantly surprised about and went out and bought them, however the others were what I expected and I quickly deleted them.

Even if games get critical acclaim, different people have different tastes. Give us some time limited demos (maybe 30-60 mins) then an offer to purchase to unlock the rest.


RE: Defending piracy in any capacity...
By dsumanik on 2/14/2012 5:16:37 PM , Rating: 5
I made a switch to the iphone ecosystem back in 2007.

From 2007-2008 i made a reasonable amount of purchases, id say $300-$350 in content, apps, music, and movies with my itunes account.

I would wager, $75-$100 of the apps i legally purchased did not work correctly as advertised, and were installed on my iphone for about 10 minutes while i fidgeted trying to get them to open without crashing or do what they were supposed to do. They did not recieve updates and never will, i may as well delete them from my hard drive it is wasted space.

Basic things, like export contacts etc. Things that a "smart" phone should do out of the box.

Then i discovered jailbreaking, and all my problems were solved...apps that provide basic functionality missing from iOS.

SO NOW I HAVE THE OPTION TO TRY EVERY APP BEFORE BUYING IT IF I SO CHOOSE.

My purchase amounts have declined somewheat compared to pre jailbreaking but is only because i am not blindly purchasing software and "hoping it would work". I only pay for quality items now, and that is only fair.

As far as your argument is concerned,

my phone is jailbroken, i no longer have to pay for any app if i dont want, yet i made a purchase about 15 minutes ago. Ill provide a copy of my reciept if you dont believe me and a screenshot of my jailbroken iphone as proof if you like.

So yes try before you buy is working on me.

The "legal" alternative is buy then hope it works.

Sorry not gonna happen anymore.

I would not ask apple or any other company/customer to purchase ANY product be it new or used if it didnt work as advertised, let alone leave them with terms to litigate, revoke or limit its usage in any way shape or form as i saw fit in the future.

Imagine if samsung sold apple defective software, or hardware.

LAWSUIT IN THE BILLIONS.

yet Apple, and its appstore partners and the RIAA/MPAA. continue to do this on a daily basis.

Proof:

I can go on the app store right now and download $100 in software that does not work as advertised, and never will in about 10 minutes flat. In fact, i bet i could burn a cool $1000 with a little effort and a few hours of my time.

Further proof:

If i double click my legally purchased avatar rip to open with anything except itunes it will not play and iTunes WONT PLAY AT THE FULL 24 FPS...MORE LIKE 10 FPS!!! (a quicktime rendering bug since itunes 10 on windows last year) Yet higher bitrate DRM free 1080p content plays fine in VLC.

The products they sold me simply do not work as advertised and this argument is irrefutable. I wanted to stream this video to my tv and some other devices...I paid for this convenience.

I can't.

End of discussion.

Furthermore, the avatar file is 2gb standard definition and poor quality.. a joke compared to modern HD AVC encodes available via torrent. To this day my DRM videos will not play on my tv or in any other player except when synced to my iphone.

Now,

I guess i could buy an apple TV....but why do i need an apple tv just to play a movie i legally purchased? iTunes purchased episodes of The Office are about 350 meg per episide in SD 480p crap quality yet I could pirate the entire series in 720p DRM free WITH subtitles at 250MB per episode in far superior quality that will play anywhere on any device zero headaches.

So you tell me, why i would see any reason to continue content purchases through the itunes store when torrenting offers:

- superior products (lossless music, better quality rips of movies)
-DRM free
-larger selection of subtitles / chapters /languages etc
-larger selection of music/video (discontinued/foriegn not availible in itunes catalog....like for instance, the band tool)
-full album artwork, not just the cover.
-faster download speeds

Basically every shortcoming, headache and problem that comes with staying within the legal ecosystem is solved...

with
one
simple
click.


oh yeah, by the way and its free...except for your bandwidth costs.

So no, as long as consumers feel like they are being taken advantage of, there will be a backlash...whether it is legal, morally correct or otherwise.

I would not do what the RIAA, Apple, or MPAA did to me or anyone else...and for god sakes..I was a good boy and **tried** to give them my money!!!!

so in summary my friend:

What is asinine, is expecting to sell consumers inferior products:

-large filesize inferior quality video rips that only play in pre defined conditions
-lossy aac/mp3 vs lossless,
-malfunctioning unuseable softeware

then limit what consumers can and cant do with said product they legally purchased while simultaneously expecting mindless unquestioned compliance and continued payment.

THIS IS WHY RAMPANT PIRACY EXISTS, AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST UNTIL RECTIFIED.


By Unspoken Thought on 2/15/2012 4:29:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
then limit what consumers can and cant do with said product they legally purchased while simultaneously expecting mindless unquestioned compliance and continued payment.


Why do I picture U.S.gov LLC when I read this comment. I know there is an analogy in there somewhere.

Excellent comment btw, I could almost feel the tech frustration.


By ff7fan4eva on 2/15/2012 8:38:02 AM , Rating: 2
Just created an account to say great comment, exactly how i feel/experienced with android (for apps) and itunes (Music and video)


By NiM0r on 2/15/2012 1:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
wait.. you guys buy the stuff after you get good rips of it?

hmm. interesting.


By JediJeb on 2/15/2012 6:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
Need a new law requiring a line in all Terms and Conditions that come with software to say, 'the Company agrees to refund $1 of original purchase price for every "bug" found after release of aforementioned "Product" '

Everybody would have free Windows, iTunes, games, ect for life. Well not iTunes since Apple considers such thing as "features" and not "bugs".


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