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Could it really be good for Linux?

Microsoft's recent agreement with Novell was met with both cheers and jeers from analysts and Linux enthusiasts alike.  Even though Microsoft also made agreements with the Linspire and Xandros operating systems - the deals didn't grab as many headlines as the Novell and Microsoft deal.

During the 2007 LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, Novell spent a lot of time attempting to convince attendees that the deal with Microsoft was nothing but in the interest of promoting Linux in the future.  A quick look at this Novell web site will show you all of Novell and Microsoft's reasons why the relationship is good.

"(Novell) never believed any patent issues (existed) with Linux," said a Novell spokesperson during the show.

""I know our deal with Microsoft is controversial, but it is necessary for our customers who have to deal with both Linux and Windows in their data centers," said Ron Hovsepian, Novell CEO.  "Virtualization is also going to have to deal with both of those operating systems," he added."

As I attempt to not be a complete pessimist, others haven't been so forgiving towards Novell - along with an official boycott Novel campaign, other media and companies involved in open source appear to be more pessimistic than me!

I will admit that I am quite curious to see what really happens later down the road between Novell and Microsoft.  Even though I don't believe Microsoft has been sincere towards open source, some good could indeed come from this alliance.


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Patents
By Murst on 8/21/2007 3:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
To me, it seems like there's something in the Unix world (yeah, Unix, not linux) that MS is afraid of...

First, MS licenses Unix patents from SCO. 3 years later, MS makes a patent sharing agreement with Novell. A few months later, a judge rules that the patents that MS licensed from SCO actually belong to Novell.

MS didn't get to where they were by making stupid business decisions. They probably got a much better deal from Novell on the Unix patents than they would have if they tried to negotiate w/ them after the recent SCO/Novell ruling.

Someone at MS saw that SCO will lose the patent case w/ Novell (I'm not talking about the IBM case, that's different), and they came up with this agreement.




RE: Patents
By Brockway on 8/21/2007 9:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft's idea of open source is stealing people's work from gpl without having to share their own code. Their goal is the death of open source by infiltrating it and killing it from the inside.


RE: Patents
By afkrotch on 8/22/2007 12:04:20 AM , Rating: 1
Not like open source has brought us anything that was outstanding. What have we got? Open Office, Linux, OpenGL, and some other crap ppl don't really care about.

Closed source products. Windows, Maya, Photoshop, MS Office, OSX (it's partially closed), games, etc.


RE: Patents
By shamgar03 on 8/22/2007 11:07:35 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, since windows is so great? Have you USED linux. You realize how much stuff depends on linux. More than half of the internet is APACHE servers, OPEN SOURCE. What about firefox? You remember that? I'm sorry but you are tragically misinformed.


RE: Patents
By sprockkets on 8/22/2007 8:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
OpenGL is not an example of opensource. In order for Linux to use it, there is the Mesa project.

Yeah, your examples are correct, in that they are not up to par with your closed source examples. But whether it is closed or not has little to do with it. It happens to be that those closed source examples demand hundred's to thousands of dollars for their product. It better be more advanced than the free stuff.


RE: Patents
By swatX on 8/22/2007 3:40:45 AM , Rating: 2
Are you on crack?

Research, then talk about what Microsoft did or didnt do.


RE: Patents
By Brockway on 8/22/2007 4:39:54 AM , Rating: 2
"What's that? Oh yes, yes. I love crack. I'm absolutely coo-coo for crack!"

http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html...

"Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."

Its the same thing they tried with java beans, and are currently trying with open xml.


Missing link?
By smitty3268 on 8/21/2007 1:35:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A quick look at this Novell web site will show you


Which site?




RE: Missing link?
By Michael Hoffman on 8/21/2007 1:39:20 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry about that - link added


RE: Missing link?
By HaZaRd2K6 on 8/21/2007 3:32:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...an official boycott Novel campaign...


They're boycotting books? And since when did novel become a proper noun? :-P


Microsoft
By JasonMick (blog) on 8/21/2007 2:03:34 PM , Rating: 2
I hope Microsoft is earnest about their commitment to promoting more open source interaction/opening up some of their tools to other platforms. As long as everyone realizes that Microsoft is not doing Linux any favors, as a lot of Microsoft's "patent infringement" claims were bordering on lunacy. They seem to be taking some steps in the right direction, though, I will give them credit. Still brings to mind that Simpsons episode with Bill Gates, though. Remember...

quote:
Bill Gates walks in followed by two nerdy looking, rather large men

Bill Gates: Mr. Simpson.
Homer: You don't look so rich.
Bill Gates: Oh, don't let the hair-cut fool you, I am exceedingly wealthy
Homer: What do you want?
Bill Gates: Your company has been brought to my attention, but I can't figure out what, if anything Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net does, so rather than risk competing with you, I simply decided to buy you out.

Homer and Marge talk privately

Homer: This is it Marge. I've poored my heart and soul into this company and now its finally paid off. We're rich! Richer than astronauts!
Marge: Homer, quiet or you'll queer the deal
Homer: Oh right.
Homer ( To Bill Gates ): I reluctantly accept your offer.
Bill Gates: Well everyone always does. Buy 'em out, boys.

The two nerdy men begin smashing the contents of Homer's desk

Homer: Hey, what the hell is going on?
Bill Gates: Oh, I didn't get rich by writing alot of checks!
Bill begins laughing hysterically




RE: Microsoft
By Joz on 8/21/2007 11:51:45 PM , Rating: 2
Funny episode.

I wonder if that could ever happen in real life...

(*makes a mirical OS that destroyes Vista, XP, X10 and most linuxes. *)

*Bill comes in with 2 nerdy wreslters and ten lawyers.*

my verification code is:
AMM9XP

if we decode that we get AM2,9,XP

decoded furter we get Socket AM2, in 9 (denominations of time), will be the only thing left uses XP.


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