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The most recent in-game shot of DNF

A shot of DNF using the Unreal Engine from 1999

A shot of DNF using the Quake II engine from 1997
It could be the lowest resolution screenshot ever, but it has Duke fans in a frenzy

After nearly a decade of anticipation, delays, disappointment and ridicule, Duke Nukem makes a small appearance. In the job seeker section on Gamasutra, developer 3D Realms posted an open position requesting for a full time programmer with knowledge in C++ and the Unreal engine for work on Xbox 360 and Windows.

Most interesting about the job posting isn’t the actual job, but rather a small postage stamp-sized screenshot from a recent build of Duke Nukem Forever. The small 200x125 .gif image is all that was needed to send Duke Nukem fans into a frenzy of discussion and speculation on message boards. 3D Realms' George Broussard responded quickly to the gaming community, at first saying only, “In game shot.”

Broussard later expanded upon his original statement: “That's an in game, real-time shot of Duke standing in a random hallway. It was really done as a small teaser for a job ad on Gamasutra.com. Nothing more.”

“I'm glad some of you enjoyed it, and we'll show more later as we start to wake from our slumber and decide how best to show the game off,” Broussard wrote.

As much as everyone likes to poke fun at Duke Nukem’s development time (and all pokes are well deserved), the small screenshot proves one thing: 3D Realms has been doing something lately other than playing WoW.





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Unreal Engine?
By Mudvillager on 1/29/2007 8:39:19 AM , Rating: 1
The game is built around a two generation old engine?




RE: Unreal Engine?
By AzureKevin on 1/29/2007 8:47:59 AM , Rating: 1
No, they claim that it's being developed using a heavily modified Unreal Engine 2.5. So... half a generation old, if you will.


RE: Unreal Engine?
By nurbsenvi on 1/29/2007 1:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm the screen shot looks too good to be something that bases GRAW...


RE: Unreal Engine?
By 3kliksphilip on 1/29/2007 4:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
I am really impressed with all 3 of those screenshots. Especially the 1997 one. I looked at it and thought 'this was before Half Life 1'... it looks so good! So atmospheric and detailed for such an old game. I don't know what's happening with DNF but from what I've heard it should be pretty next gen. I heard that their physics included fabrics (So you could have a hammock filled with balls... or a bouncy castle!). Perhaps the reason that they haven't finished it is because they're like me- they love making detailed games but then find some new technology and start again.


RE: Unreal Engine?
By wien on 1/30/2007 11:21:00 AM , Rating: 2
You might want to check out the videos (http://www.duke4.net/download.php?list.2) if you haven't already. They look pretty damn good for their age. :)


RE: Unreal Engine?
By wien on 1/30/2007 10:14:14 AM , Rating: 3
They have ripped out the existing renderer from Unreal and completely rewritten it. It's supposed to support normal mapping, HDR, stencil shadows and all that jazz at this point. (Looks about right from the screenshot.) The physics engine has also been replaced by something called Meqon (Developed by a small Swedish company, later bought by Ageia.).

There is very little "Unreal" left in the engine really (From the players perspective, that is.). It's just the core scripting and gameplay systems, and a (modified) toolchain they are using from Unreal.

Source: http://www.duke4.net/content.php?content.19


RE: Unreal Engine?
By Spivonious on 1/29/2007 10:45:07 AM , Rating: 2
It's built on a modified Unreal 2007 engine, at least that's what the last thing I read on 3dRealms forums was.


Vaporware award
By Alphafox78 on 1/30/2007 9:52:23 AM , Rating: 2
I think this title has been at the top of the annual vaporware awards for the past 5 years, along with Starcraft Ghost from blizzard. heres to hoping it pans out this time!




RE: Vaporware award
By Spivonious on 1/30/2007 10:40:30 AM , Rating: 2
At least Blizzard finally cancelled Starcraft: Ghost though. DNF has been restarted from scratch like 3 or 4 times now. Quake II...scratched...Unreal...scratched...Unreal 2005...scratched...Unreal 2007.


RE: Vaporware award
By wien on 1/30/2007 10:56:19 AM , Rating: 2
It's been bad, but not that bad.

They have "restarted" the game twice. The first time when switching from the Quake2 engine to Unreal 1 back in 1998, and the second (and last) time in 2002, scrapping most of the existing content, starting from scratch with the Unreal 2 engine. Since then they have recieved some upgrades to the engine from Epic (To the point of UE 2.5, or thereabouts), but they have rewritten most of it themselves.

The game went "tech complete" in 2004 and they are now working mostly on content/gameplay. They are not using the Unreal 3 (or "Unreal 2007") engine in any shape or form, so don't try to make it out as though they are.


RE: Vaporware award
By Spivonious on 1/30/2007 11:47:19 AM , Rating: 2
I highly doubt the game was tech complete back in 2004. It does not take over three years to make levels and artwork. Don't get me wrong, I'll still be the first in line to buy this game when it finally comes out, but with graphics like the ones in the screenshot, there's just no way that the engine was finished three years ago. It appears to use technology that has only become mainstream in the past year or two.


RE: Vaporware award
By wien on 1/30/2007 12:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure they're adding bits and bobs to the engine even now, but the point is that the core engine/rendering system was complete enough that they could start creating content for it in 2004. Adding more advanced lighting/shadows/DoF/HDR and all that stuff doesn't necessarily require the content to be rebuilt.

And it does take an awful lot of time to create the content for a next-gen title like DNF. Especially for a (comparatively) tiny team like 3DRealms. The programming is usually the easy part. Making stuff look good is all in the hands of the artists. 3 years is by no means unreasonably long in this case.

As for the technology, yes, a lot of it has only been showing up recently in actual games, but remember that those games have been in development for many years. It has long been pretty obvious where the hardware technology is going, and what would be possible to pull off with the hardware we have today. (Especially for developers with contacts within ATI/Nvidia.) Tech-demos have been doing all this fancy stuff for years already. It's not at all unlikely that 3DRealms had most of this stuff up and running, albeit (very) slowly, in 2004.


OMG, I think I will never see DNF in my lifetime.
By Roy2001 on 1/29/2007 2:07:33 PM , Rating: 3
I am serious. I am fan of DN3D. I have been waiting for it for 10 years.




By Ringold on 1/29/2007 5:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
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OMG, I think I will never see DNF in my lifetime.


We best not disturb the dev's or show them screen shots of Alan Wake; they might get distracted and decide to wait until they can license their engine and start from scratch. Again.


Need a humor section
By etriky on 1/29/2007 7:46:24 AM , Rating: 2
Glad to see this in the blog section since nothing related to DNF is news. (Well, maybe when I can buy it. That will be news.) Good for a laugh though. DailyTech really needs a humor section where bits like this can go.




RE: Need a humor section
By KaiserCSS on 1/29/2007 5:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
Need I remind you:

quote:
"DailyTech is the best kept secret on the internet" -- Larry Barber


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By jm20 on 1/29/2007 5:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, but I forgot, I'm all outta gum




RE: .
By Spivonious on 1/30/2007 10:42:06 AM , Rating: 2
Just in case anyone is wondering where that quote originally came from, it's a kick-ass 80s movie called "They Live."


really on unreal 2?
By someguy123 on 1/30/2007 12:39:19 AM , Rating: 2
Must be HEAVILY modified to look that good on the unreal 2.5 engine.

that shot, however small it may be, seems to look more like the doom3 engine since it has that sort of plastic glow to it the d3 engine has.




Forget Duke Nukem
By Cullinaire on 1/30/2007 7:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
Bring back Duke Nuk u m. And the pink top.




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