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Skyrim will outsell its predecessor, “The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion,” in a matter of weeks says VGChartz

I have spent the last five days playing nothing but “The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim,” and I don’t regret a second of it. Apparently there are millions of others who feel the same way, because Skyrim topped 3.4 million sales in just two days.
“The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim” is the fifth installment in “The Elder Scrolls” action role-playing video game series. It was developed by Bethesda Game Studios, and was released November 11 for Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and Microsoft Windows.
According to VGChartz, over 3.4 million copies of Skyrim were sold at retail in the first two days of availability, and that doesn’t even include digital sales.
VGChartz even predicts that Skyrim will outsell its predecessor, “The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion,” in a matter of weeks. Oblivion sold 490,000 copies at opening across the Xbox and PS3 platforms, putting Skyrim’s opening sales way above Oblivion’s opening sales.
Of the 3.4 million Skyrim copies sold at retail, 2.5 million were sold in Americas while the other 950,000 were sold in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Over the three platforms, 59 percent of Skyrim copies were sold for the Xbox 360, 27 percent for the PS3 and 14 percent for PC.
While the massive RPG has surpassed the likes of “Gears of War 3” and “Fifa Soccer 12,” “Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3,” which was released four days before Skyrim last week, is far ahead of the game. In fact, the first-person shooter broke records by achieving over 6.5 million copies sold in North America and the United Kingdom alone on its first day of availability. It made a total of over $400 million in first-day sales.
Despite MW3’s wild success, 3.4 million sales in two days is still impressive for an RPG. Honestly, I’m not a huge MW fan and would prefer Skyrim any day. I bought my copy of Skyrim for Xbox 360 Friday morning and sat in awe the moment the opening screen popped up on my TV. I was sucked in immediately and have found myself looking at the clock after hours of playing to see that it’s 4:00 a.m., or some equally ridiculous time where I should be sleeping or doing something else. My Bosmer and I have scaled mountains, swam through streams catching Salmon and fought dragons for several nights now and I see no signs of stopping anytime soon. Just when I start to think I’ve made some progress in this seemingly endless land that is Skyrim, I fall into some side quest that holds my attention for hours. I’m happy to see that the game has done so well, and hope it keeps up the momentum.

Source: VGChartz

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By voodoochile123 on 11/24/11, Rating: 0
RE: argh
By dark matter on 11/24/2011 7:19:13 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry we cannot raise ourselves to your level of utter sheer awesomeness. You think the world revolves around you, and the rest of the people can get on enjoying themselves. Win win...

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 11/26/11, Rating: 0
RE: argh
By Chaser on 11/28/2011 10:59:59 AM , Rating: 3
And to think those idiots at PC Magazine and the Wall Street Journal fell for the Skyrim junk too.

Let me be the second to say mankind is truly fortunate to have discerning prodigies like you amongst us.

Thank you sir for being the salt of the gaming earth for all of us easily pleased compromising sheep.

And thank you for taking the time to grace this column with your onipotent views on such a vitally important topic I might add.

I know my life is changed now. God bless you.

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 11/29/2011 12:50:50 AM , Rating: 1
Don't give me that crap about the magazines. Look at Metacritic, it's pretty obvious the reviews were paid for. So many people complaining about so many bad bugs, and yet it STILL got 10/10 from half the places on the web and 9/10 from the rest.

As for the rest of what you said, it's very sad. You make fun that I'm a discerning prodigy, but the fact is, ALL RPG gamers used be like this in the past. I didn't even play RPG's all that much back then, but since getting in to them, I have discovered that the RPG's of the 80's and 90's are infinitely superior to the crap we get today.

The fact that you consider this such an uninportant topic is pretty much the entire problem with the games industry today. In the past, gamers really cared about what they spent their time playing. Nowdays, nobody cares. If it's got flashy graphics combined with guns and zombies then it's a sure hit. Uninspired crap like Call of Duty becomes an easy cash cow, which gets gobbled up by the millions of kids who just don't care about what they are playing and have never even heard about far superior games like Arma2. And now the same has happened to RPG's. There are no old style RPG's anymore with masses of depth. Like the space sims, they are a dead genre, and it's been replaced with this new breed of "ACTION RPGs" for button bashing idiots, and The Elder Scrolls is the flagship game of that type, and it has now become the Call of Duty equivalent of RPG's.

RE: argh
By The0ne on 11/29/2011 1:38:07 PM , Rating: 3
No worries, I'm on your side on this regarding so called RPGs here in the US. I honestly can't believe people would give this game 10/10, including Famitsu. I really have to scratch my head at this.

Maybe this world is really going down the road of Idiocracy. Expectations should be higher but it damn sure ain't. Hell, even my nephews commented yesterday that they need a new video card to see all the eye candy stuff regardless of everything else. They would rather see pretty stuff while spraying bullets mindlessly than concern themselves with actual good gaming. The most retarded comments ever.

I suspect millions are like this, trained to be like this or just simply too dumb because of their generation unlike some older fella's like us. The "logic" behind what they like or what they think is a great game leaves me laughing my a** off every time. Sheer stupidity. But then again, if it's fun for them that's all that matters. Ultimately though, we're stuck in the stone age because of them.

RE: argh
By The0ne on 11/29/2011 5:49:59 PM , Rating: 1
Got an hour into the game. This game is not a 10.

Pros thus far:
1. Decent graphics
2. Better character graphics (vs Morrowwind)
3. Terrain looks nice

Cons thus far:
1. Graphics could be better
2. Animation is sloppy (just about every motion in the game)
3. Integration of graphics is not seemless leading to poor visuals especially for dungeons and towns.
4. Vegetation is abundant but graphics are sub-par
5. Console type menu's and interface are horrible on PC
6. Looting is a chore and laughable
7. Dragon at intro was blocky and metallic on high settings. Not very believable to say the least.
8. Combat definitely takes some getting use to. I say you'll struggle learning it.

People need to get their head out of their behind. This game can't even compare to Assassin's Creed in graphics and animation. Again, eye candy is nothing when it's not seamless with everything else in the game. The character motion is the worst part. I'm beginning to think 99% of gamers don't know sht about graphics/animation.

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 11/29/2011 11:11:37 PM , Rating: 1
A lot of stuff I just thought was pretty mediocre, (some stuff horrible like that ridiculous UI), but the nail in the coffin for me was the combat. I usually like to play RPG's as a Mage type character, but in this game, all I needed to do was hold mouse button 1... I selected "Fire" and just ran at every enemy, holding the mouse, and squirting fire at them. Sometimes I needed to run around a bit, but usually everything just died in seconds. And then mana regenerated to full by itself moments later. It gets on my nerves :( It doesn't even have to have the depth of Baldur's Gate or something, but I at least want SOME interaction besides just running around shooting fire.

I thought about just starting again and being a sneaky character that fires bows instead. That looks a bit more interesting, but I just can't find the motivation to play it anymore. I think if I had no alternatives I would probably try to make myself enjoy it. But I have various MMORPG's to play and they just make this game look about 15 years old.

Star Wars The Old Republic is due soon so I will buy that. It's nothing revolutionary, but even 'just-another-mmo' is far better than Skyrim. Imo atleast.

RE: argh
By dxf2891 on 12/1/2011 4:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
And isn't that what it is all about: Each person's individual opinion? For every "blocky" error you find, there is a person who is absolutely entranced by this game. Me personally, I like it. It's no Ultima, Masters of Magic or Masters of Orion, but those games weren't a Dungeons and Dragons either. If you like buy it, if you don't like don't buy it. If games you don't like are saturating the market, take a coding class and write your own.

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 12/2/2011 6:08:47 PM , Rating: 2
Well people can like stuff that I don't like, but it can still be something I respect. Most of the things in life are like that, I don't like sports for example, and yet I would never call it stupid.

The difference with this game is that most people who like it, are just idiots that don't know any better. It's just not a good game, and there are far better alternatives, it is only selling so well because most young people these days are easily manipulated, easily hyped, little simple minded sheep.

And no I'm not going to make my own game. One man games are a waste of time.

RE: argh
By UKnowWhat on 12/1/2011 1:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
Hehe. What's a reply. I used to tell my kids that people of third world countries are dumb because they are unfortunate. People of the Western Countries are dumb because they are stupid.

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 12/2/2011 6:19:38 PM , Rating: 2
That's about right. I can't really blame the average 10 year old for getting so sucked in by all the hype. They are young and don't know any better, and that's not really their fault. What does annoy me is the rest of the world, the grown ups, who all go ape like this is the second coming of gaming. The websites and magazines I can understand, they are just corrupt, but the average older gamer has no excuse.

I didn't even complain too much about Oblivion. They had obviously spent a lot of time and money on the graphics engine, which made it the best looking game in the world at the time. This time they have spent hardly anything on the graphics, just a few tweaks to their old engine, so I hoped that this might leave them plenty of resources to make an incredible RPG. But it's not. It's got mediocre graphics AND mediocre gameplay. It does one or two things quite well, but the majority of components that make up an Elder Scrolls game (dialogue, plot, world design, UI, combat, crafting, etc), have all been done far better in the previous games. I just wished people called them out on this, but instead they just bend over to Bethesda. And Bethesda know this, that's why they can get away with releasing unfinished games with barely any improvement over the previous installment - because people give an inch and they take a mile. In the inevitable Elder Scrolls 6, I imagine it being filled with bugs, released far too prematurely, and being equally shallow.

My only hope is that the newer RPG's get their act together enough to put some pressure on them.

RE: argh
By Wererat on 11/29/2011 9:22:45 AM , Rating: 2
No CRPG can do what pen-and-paper RPGs do because they don't have a live, clever, responsive person running the game; they have a computer GM.

So what? Skyrim (and all the Elder Scrolls series) has always been about the type of CRPG which is called "sandbox" -- the player gets to decide if and when the plot is meaningful to them or do something entirely different.

Because of this, I've never "finished" any of the Elder Scrolls games, although I've played Arena, Morrowind, and Oblivion extensively.

If you're saying you prefer CRPGs where the player is driven along a plot which is more richly designed as the points of entry, expected PC level/power, etc are tightly controlled, then just say that. Those are good games in their own right.

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 11/29/2011 11:15:23 PM , Rating: 2
They call that being "linear", and yeah I quite like that. But I like sandbox games too, I just expect them to be good. I was playing sandbox games about 20 years ago with stuff like Betrayal At Krondor, and nowdays I play lots of MMORPG's which are generally far bigger and more free than Skyrim. But they also do pretty much everything better than Skyrim too, and yet they achieve that even though they are played online.

RE: argh
By Wererat on 11/30/2011 12:34:12 AM , Rating: 2
Well, apparently some millions of people disagree, or at least want this and whatever else they play. Hey, I don't even own Skyrim yet; I'll look for a Steam end of year sale :)

RE: argh
By voodoochile123 on 11/30/2011 8:35:37 PM , Rating: 2
Millions of people go to watch Justin Beiber too.

Awesome game..
By messyunkempt on 11/16/2011 5:02:25 AM , Rating: 2
..and its fantastic to see an RPG get such good sales. Hopefully it'l inspire developers to make other games in the genre instead of firing out bi-annual increments of the same tired old shooters.

It's games like this that give me hope that the future won't just be comprised of dollar a pop/advertised angry birds clones for the casual gamer.

Hats off to Bethesda, you've outdone yourself!

RE: Awesome game..
By wired00 on 11/16/2011 6:03:04 AM , Rating: 2
I was saying this same thing to someone just today. I also think its fantastic a single player RPG has done so well. Along with Dark souls (my all time fav game beside Zelda a link to the past on SNES) i really hope a bunch more development will be put into RPG.

RE: Awesome game..
By messyunkempt on 11/16/2011 8:01:01 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, totally, dark souls is definately in my top 5. With the new zelda out soon and likely to be a huge seller i wouldnt be surprised at all to see more single player RPGs in the future. Exciting times!

RE: Awesome game..
By voodoochile123 on 12/2/2011 6:23:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yes the industry has learned their lesson, and this game is proof that their new philosophy is indeed correct: Dumb down your game for mass appeal, and spend the majority of your budget on building hype and paying for favourable reviews = successful game.

RE: Awesome game..
By kattanna on 11/16/2011 12:40:18 PM , Rating: 2
yep. been playing since friday morning. fantastic game. the only marring point is the console like interface while on the PC.

have killed multiple dragons and am having a blast. Im playing a 2handed berserker thief who is both a cat and now a dog as well


i enjoy the mobs insulting me by saying "cat.. your going to make a nice rug" makes me laugh every time.. as my weapon then cracks open their skull

By Fracture on 11/16/2011 11:26:17 AM , Rating: 5
*Sarcasm set to 11*

But... but... piracy is killing the industry!!!


Just goes to show that people have no problem paying for a quality product.

RE: Piracy
By XJDHDR on 12/12/2011 12:11:40 AM , Rating: 2
I suggest you take a look at this article( ), this paragraph in particular on page 10:
"The problem with the simplistic 'PC gaming is dying/thriving' dichotomy is that it completely excludes the possibility that PC gaming is changing, and not necessarily for the better. As we've seen in this article, the evidence points to the fact that as PC piracy becomes more and more rampant on the platform, games companies have been doing two things: migrating to less piracy-prone platforms; and also adjusting business models to try to capitalize on the remaining strong points of the PC platform, which happen to be in the online-only area."
So there you have it, if you are unhappy about Skyrim being too "consolised", piracy is the problem. Bethesda used to create games exclusive to the PC; even as late as Morrowind. Something made them prioritize the consoles after that and piracy fits the bill perfectly.

As for your last statement: widespread piracy and large sale volumes are not exclusive of each other. In fact, I find that they usually go hand-in-hand (i.e. games with large sale volumes suffer more illegal downloads than less popular games). The day after Skyrim's release, I visited The Pirate Bay and counted the torrents there. There were about a dozen PC torrents that added up to over 70 000 people seeding and leeching at the same time. These high numbers were maintained for the rest of that week. On the other hand, there was one Xbox 360 torrent with less than 1000 seeders and leechers and no PS3 torrents. That explains why PCs contributed the least to Skyrim's sales, despite the PC version being the arguably superior version if you PC can handle the game. Then again, a Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM and a Geforce 8xxx meets the requirements.

Best game this year
By Mithan on 11/16/2011 6:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
Best game this year

The only issue I have is the UI should have been better on PC and they should have included higher res textures.

RE: Best game this year
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2011 11:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
Running it on high, textures are pretty damn good. Have yet to see Ultras.

Does Skyrim have "soul"?
By Sivar on 11/17/2011 3:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
I may be the alone in the universe among RPG players in that I did not like Morrowind or Fallout 3. I have but haven't played Oblivion.

Morrowind had absolutely no "soul" -- none of the characters had any personality at all. They were, at best, a watered down web browser to access the same tired dialog. The icon to launch the browser just happened to be a 3D model.

Fallout 3 felt similar. The dialog was now voiced, but even key characters such as the player's father were shallow and tepid as the characters in the movie, "Ghost Rider." The father seemed saccharin and oblivious; the other VAs seemed bored with their roles with a few exceptions here and there.

Contrast this with the Baldur's Gate series, Planescape, VTM:B, The Witcher series, the original Dragon Age Origins, even Fallout 1 and 2 to an extent -- the plot had depth. You could relateto the characters. They had personality, a past, ambitions, emotion . They were well-written and well-developed.

True, there was a lot more space to explore so the developer couldn't have spent as much time developing any one part, but it seemed they spend almost none. There was a lot to explore, but it all felt like it was from some random terrain generator which littered nondescript areas with random junk.

Perhaps I am too picky, or was spoiled by the developments listed above. I want to like Bethesda games -- I really do. Are Fallout 3 and Morrowind are bad examples? I liked Fallout:NV alright, but it wasn't really a Bethesda game.

That is my question: Does Skyrim have actual character development? Did you ever find yourself giving a damn what happened to anyone? Does it have a real plot that you feel you have a strong part in?

RE: Does Skyrim have "soul"?
By CList on 11/21/2011 9:13:56 AM , Rating: 2
Ug, your post has re-opened an old wound; how awesome and engrossing Dragon Age I was compared to Dragon Age II. The first DA... wow... THAT was a story, one of the best I've ever played (and I've played pretty much everything you mention in your posts). What a let-down DA II was, I gave it about 15 hours of my time (wanted to stop after about 5 hours), and finally was just like.... Meh.

I thought I had gotten over over it, but the bitterness of disappointment still stings!

I will say, however, that I rather enjoyed in the story / characters in Fallout 3... especially a lot of the little side-quests (the holotape to "My Little Moonbeam...", the android guy, the blood drinkers, etc)

Alleged Sexist Alert
By The Raven on 11/18/2011 4:02:09 PM , Rating: 3
I bought my copy of Skyrim for Xbox 360 Friday morning and sat in awe the moment the opening screen popped up on my TV. I was sucked in immediately and have found myself looking at the clock after hours of playing to see that it’s 4:00 a.m., or some equally ridiculous time where I should be sleeping or doing something else. My Bosmer and I have scaled mountains, swam through streams catching Salmon and fought dragons for several nights now and I see no signs of stopping anytime soon. Just when I start to think I’ve made some progress in this seemingly endless land that is Skyrim, I fall into some side quest that holds my attention for hours. I’m happy to see that the game has done so well, and hope it keeps up the momentum.
Wow Tiffany, who knew that we had our own Olivia Munn/Jessica Chobot here at DT? Game on girlfriend!

Witcher 2 vs Skyrim
By iceonfire1 on 11/17/2011 1:05:37 AM , Rating: 2
I've spent many a fortnight hunting down Daedric artifacts and sneaking around treasuries in the Elder Scrolls. It's a fantastic series. But the shift in direction, foreshadowed by the shift in user base, of the series leaves me less than enthralled. In every Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind, the interface is simpler and the game is less complicated than it's predecessor. That's great for an email program, but the opposite of what I want in an open-ended RPG.

The Witcher 2 is much more my style. Rather than wandering around with an implausibly-dragon-resistant dude with horns, the witcher is a character with context and consistency. The world makes sense. The games have different technical strengths and weaknesses, but I found the biggest difference to be that, although I won't find unicorns in the Witcher, neither will I find a cliche-ridden hero who can save the world before he can defeat the odd bandit.

By ZaethDekar on 11/22/2011 2:35:43 AM , Rating: 2
There is only one thing I don't like about TES: Skyrim. The skills Perk System and how you navigate though it.

The reason why I don't like it is that there is a mathmatical max of 69 perk points to spend. Each tree has at LEAST 10 perks... some (such as one handed weapons) have 20+.
The navigation however is horrible. I'll click on a perk to look at and suddenly I am a full skill tree over.

How very annoying.

Other than that I was level 38 before I killed my first Dragon.... and it was no easy feat considering my gear wasn't that great to begin with as I have become the master of the thieves guild and have learned to craft everything but dragon armor. Now if only my enchanting was higher then 40... Double enchantment dragon armor FTW? I think so :)

my review
By texbrazos on 11/23/2011 1:12:38 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to say that this is a very good game so far. Sitting at level 10 right now.
However, the PS3 version I am playing has many bugs. The graphics start flashing after playing for an extended amount of time, enemies sometimes just sit there and let me shoot them full of arrows, there are people walking around with their legs under the ground, and the artificial intellegence could be better. Also, on the box it says 1080i, but my gameplay is at 720p??? If anyone knows how to fix this please let me know.
These are all things in my opinion that should have been fixed before release.

Skyrim Qualities
By Balls OFyre on 12/8/2011 12:33:11 PM , Rating: 2
Tossing in my two-cents on Skyrim.

I've played all of Bethesda's games from Daggerfall up, the Ultimas, original Fallouts, Baldurs Gates, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, Neverwinter Nights, and pen and paper D&D in the old days.

I like Skyrim for two broad reasons. ONE, it is elegant. You pretty much just play and don't worry too much about classes and the UI, it's built into the game in a way that you aren't looking at it all the time. It's the most streamlined and simple of all of Bethesda's games in this respect, and it is extremely simple. Simple does not always mean bad.

Skyrim lets you live your character "in the world".

TWO is the freedom this huge sandbox gives the player to do whatever the blazes he or she feels like. This isn't a game for those who need led around by the nose. You really can choose to do whatever the hell you want in whatever order you feel like. You can just run around gathering ingrediants and making and selling potions, if that's your thing. You can be a straight enchanter or blacksmith if that's your bag. You can get involved in the "big quests" which really involves the player in a massive conflict and gives you a specific and heroic role, or, you can be a sneaky villain and join up with the seamier side of's all your choice, and the world to explore is immense. Straight game hunter, miner, explorer, rock climber, underwater treasure gatherer- it's up to you.

I like the way that EVERYTHING is open to explore. Using the interesting Dragonborne shout that lets you teleport across chasms and things, you can access the inaccessible, which often has hidden treasure or weird situations waiting.

Bethesda's writers have good imaginations, and often completely unexpected situations await the adventurer.

I suspect that many of those who complain about the game's high ratings simply haven't bothered to play more that a cursiary time period.

I am running an older computer, and can run the game on medium settings and have remarkably few crashes or serious bugs. Yeah, the is the occasional mammoth falling wierdly off a cliff...but it a game that offers such a rich and rewarding world, this is a small issue.

The game will benefit from modding. I'd like to see more "realism" invoked to make things like resting, traveling and survival more challenging- and the interface, what there is of it, is a bit clunky at times.

There also lacks a clear feel of "good and evil" in respect for your character, which I do miss. A sidekick who keeps track of your moral situation like Jiminy Cricket, or the gods telling me what a jackass I am would be most welcome.

But overall, this game lives up to it's hype for this player. It's Bethesda masterpiece to date in it's elegant approach and incredible depth. You can indeed get lost in this believable, incredible land of dragons and Norse-like heroes.

It's a great game.


The Great Balls O'Fyre

I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/16/11, Rating: -1
RE: I think I'll pass
By FaceMaster on 11/16/2011 9:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
That's strange, I've been playing Skyrim and the skills system is totally different to Oblivion's. The one bit of the game they haven't really improved that much is the sword-fighting element (Yay! Equip two different weapons... then just use the most powerful of the two. Alternatively, sword+shield, Oblivion-style), but the rest of the game has had a lot of work done to it.

One thing you can't appreciate with the elder scrolls without actually playing it is that it's MORE than the sum of its parts. Having an open world suddenly gives it like, a 30% review-mark over an identical game that forces you through set levels and locations. It's a decent game to boot, too.

RE: I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/16/2011 9:59:12 AM , Rating: 2
Afaik, it's the same old system (only no more primary and secondary skills), with perks added on top. Perks seems to be ok, but keeping the rest is a no-no to me.
Open endedness did exactly nothing for me in Oblivion since there was nothing to do after finishing the main plot. The world was open, yes, but with no challenges at all, there wasn't anything that encouraged you to explore. Compare that with the satisfaction of killing your first troll or orc in Gothic series...

RE: I think I'll pass
By someguy123 on 11/16/2011 4:16:11 PM , Rating: 2
It fixed a lot of the issues with the system but not having regular enemies scale with level, and not forcing you to level whenever you rest. It's not like oblivion where you were jumping off cliffs to up acrobatics to make sure your skills aren't underleveled compared to your main level. There's still the issue of leveling armor by being hit, though, which is pretty senseless, especially at higher difficulties where you can die in a single swipe. Melee combat is as bad as ever, though. The only improvement is the stamina power move, but otherwise it's the same swinging at air gameplay.

Substantially more quests and less canned (find some fish scales) quests compared to oblivion. you can pretty much get a decent quest string from every unique NPC. The giants, dragons and mammoths are definitely more challenging than anything in all of oblivion. You're basically forced to avoid them for a portion of the game because of how overpowered they are on master difficulty.

RE: I think I'll pass
By JKflipflop98 on 11/16/2011 8:58:04 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, I see you've found one of the more common species on the internet. This one is what we call the "Contrarian Deebag".

RE: I think I'll pass
By someguy123 on 11/16/2011 11:29:58 PM , Rating: 2

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 11:57:14 AM , Rating: 2
What he means is that no matter how solid your argument, bug77 will find some reason to disagree.

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 1:56:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, JK was dead on. See below...

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 11:56:19 AM , Rating: 2
Afaik, it's the same old system (only no more primary and secondary skills), with perks added on top.

In other words it's the same system except for all the ways it's not :rolleyes:

You do realize that by eliminating primary and secondary skills they entirely changed how leveling works, right? In Oblivion you could only ever level up by increasing primary skills. You could increase your secondary skills as much as you want and it counted zero towards your level. With the new system ALL skills count towards your level, but as you progress, the skills you use most count more. This is not in any way the same as Oblivion's leveling system.

The perks give you various ability gains beyond the simple skill improvements. In Oblivion the perks were both fixed and automatic: upon entering each new skill tier you got a specific perk and there was no choice. Now you instead get smaller perks at every level and you pick what skills to spend them on. This again is entirely different from Oblivion.

Open endedness did exactly nothing for me in Oblivion since there was nothing to do after finishing the main plot.

You're right. There were no guilds. There were no properties available for purchase. The counts did not offer any kinds of titles for completing errands. There were no side quests from any of the town residents. There were no daedric artifacts to collect, nor were there any Ayleid statues, unique items, or nirnroots. The game also had absolutely zero DLC.

Fail. Try again.

RE: I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/17/2011 12:24:36 PM , Rating: 1
I was bored beyond belief when I finished Oblivion. Yes, I could try to join a new guild, but to what end? There were no challenges left anyway. Naturally, I didn't even bother with DLC.

I'm glad you liked the game, but it was still one of the worst games I ever played; because I didn't enjoy it.

Also, check this out:
If that doesn't spell broken, I don't know what does.

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 3:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I could try to join a new guild, but to what end? There were no challenges left anyway. Naturally, I didn't even bother with DLC.

Right, so you didn't play any of the other content in the game, but you can say with confidence that there were no challenges left to face. Note that there were about 250 hours of total content, of which the main quest comprised <50 hours.

I'm glad you liked the game, but it was still one of the worst games I ever played; because I didn't enjoy it.

I wasn't arguing that. You're certainly entitled to love it or hate, or any point in between. What I was arguing with was your statement that the leveling is the same in Skyrim as it was in Oblivion, because that obviously is not the case at all.

RE: I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/17/11, Rating: 0
RE: I think I'll pass
By verteron on 11/18/2011 6:14:10 AM , Rating: 2
If you didn't like the game, you should've just said so. Don't complain about things you never tried and have no knowledge of. Your argument cannot be answered without factual and truthful details. Yours' were neither truthful, nor factual. You didn't like it. That is fine, you just have a different opinion about what is enjoyable. But you wanted it to be THEIR fault. Your arguments were just plain incorrect. You were just complaining like a spoiled child. But you weren't looking for others to agree with you, were you?

You do not need to be still in high school to still be a Troll.

RE: I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/18/2011 9:51:13 AM , Rating: 1
It's a game that you can finish without leveling up.
There is no challenge, since the world is at your level at any given time.

What's incorrect, false or non-factual about that? And that, for me, spells broken, plain and simple.
I can understand some liked the huge and open world. I enjoyed that, too. 10 years ago, while playing Gothic. Now, I wouldn't pay $60 for it.

RE: I think I'll pass
By verteron on 11/18/2011 9:55:12 PM , Rating: 5
While you cannot literally complete it on level one, your point is mostly true since most creatures level with you. I don't like that either, but that is just an opinion . It was designed to work that way. Just because we disagree with it doesn't mean that it is broken. It is just the game design that we do not like.

Broken is when you fall through the cave floor, get stuck inside a door, monsters that just stand there, distant lands that are right on top of you and you end up running "under ground," or when you know what you need to ask this certain NPC, but it isn't a dialog option.

I hate parts of it as well, I hate how you cannot wear a shirt under your cuirass for additional magic effects, and you cannot wear a cloak over it all. I hate how fast time moves, I hate leveling up after you sleep, especially when you are a vampire and need to sleep but want to get more minor skills trained first. I hate the console design feel, I want a bigger map and resizeable inventory window. I do not think this is nearly as captivating a story as Morrowind. But these are all opinions.

It isn't broken, I just do not like it as much as Morrowind and I do not like the direction the game designers are going with Skyrim.

By saying it is broken you are just being argumentative, and it isn't even an honest argument at that.

RE: I think I'll pass
By rbuszka on 11/17/2011 12:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
Cross-post from another forum? :rolleyes:

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 1:55:42 PM , Rating: 3
What? If you're claiming to have seen this post elsewhere, please share. I wrote that from scratch and have not posted it anywhere else.

RE: I think I'll pass
By Hieyeck on 11/16/11, Rating: -1
RE: I think I'll pass
By MrBlastman on 11/16/2011 2:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
That's what made the first Witcher so great (I have yet to play the second one)--the consequences of your actions. When I played through it, I truly go the grand impression that my actions meant something and could see how if I had made different decisions early on in the game, the spot I was in now much later could be drastically different.

Oblivion had few consequences beyond your reputation. That's a huge bummer. Your actions should have a strong factor into how current quests and future ones play out--and how individuals treat you based on how they were tied with other elements of the world you altered.

It is this kind of immersion that Oblivion lacked. As for all the TES games (I've played every one except Skyrim--waiting for a modder to fix the terrible interface), I still find myself reminiscing the most about Morrowind. It was a great experience.

It's also worth pointing out that Morrowind can now be made to look better than Oblivion. Wait, did I just say that? Yes I did! This guide tells you how and has links to everything... It is well worth the effort. Don't forget to do the little part about real-time shadows of everything in the world.

RE: I think I'll pass
By bug77 on 11/16/11, Rating: -1
RE: I think I'll pass
By EricMartello on 11/21/11, Rating: 0
RE: I think I'll pass
By dark matter on 11/24/2011 7:12:52 PM , Rating: 2
3.5 million people are disagreeing with you.

RE: I think I'll pass
By EricMartello on 12/1/2011 1:11:02 AM , Rating: 2
So your logic is that some sales figures, potentially inflated, are an indicator of quality? Have you not noticed the recent trend in the stupidity of a game being directly proportional with its popularity? Farmville? Angry Birds? The average gamer is no benchmark for anything other than potential revenue.

This is the pop music of video games. I suppose next you're going to tell me that Bieber's millions in music sales make him a real musician who is producing timeless musical pieces that we'll be listening to decades from today...

No, it's the same overproduced, overbudget garbage that has little or no substance and is only attempting to resonate with the lowest common denominator (which also happens to be the largest market surprises there).

Nobody is going to care about games like this one at this time next year - unlike legendary classic RPG games such as Zelda or Final Fantasy series that are just as awesome today as they were when they were initially released.

Bonus: LOL for them recently patching this crappy game and introducing more bugs rather than fixing any.

RE: I think I'll pass
By Reclaimer77 on 11/17/2011 8:14:07 AM , Rating: 1
Skyrim is just another in a rash of shitty console ports for the PC. Buggy, crashy, DirectX 9 graphics (in 2011!), and low res textures.

I'll wait for it to go on sale, if ever. Currently it's just not worth the $60 no matter how many "review" sites were paid to give it a perfect score.

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/17/2011 12:11:14 PM , Rating: 2
It certainly is not 'crashy'. I've played over 60 hours and have had a total of 2 crashes. Not bad at all IMO. Let me clarify though. It does have the classic Bethesda crash-on-exit. It almost never crashes while you're playing though (which is what matters).

I don't disagree with your other points though. Personally I am willing to take lower overall graphic quality in exchange for good distance rendering, and that's what this game offers. I can understand others wanting better graphics though. Might as well wait a while for a good texture overhaul mod.

Overall I feel that it deserves the scores it's gotten. I think it's the best game ever made. Just my opinion.

RE: I think I'll pass
By SlyNine on 11/18/2011 11:30:01 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, really. So because it doesn't crash for you means it doesn't crash for others??

You're as bad as those people that say, Well I know someone who would have died if they HAD their seat belts on.

We'll then, I survived getting hit by a truck going 45mph and getting flung 10 ft up and over. since I survived surely everyone one else will, unless there is somthing wrong with them.

RE: I think I'll pass
By LRonaldHubbs on 11/19/2011 6:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, that's nice. The fact is, I know numerous people who have played it as much as I have and none of us are having crash issues. So clearly there are no pervasive issues with the game itself which are going to cause regular crashes.

Now, if someone with a particular system configuration (hardware, Windows version, etc) is having issues, that's another story. I never said that wasn't possible; I said it's not the norm. If you have evidence of widespread crash issues that cannot be attributed to problems with drivers or Windows, post it. Otherwise I call BS.

And your comparison to surviving an automobile collision is outrageously stupid. We're talking about software here, deterministic code. This isn't some freak accident where my copy of the game just happens to work by dumb luck.

RE: I think I'll pass
By SlyNine on 11/24/2011 12:11:47 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone you know is a small sample. But thanks for the statistical fallacy. My point wasn't to attack the game, only his argument (we call that debating).

The game has bugs that cause it to crash, my friend had it crash twice on his Xbox360. If you go online you will see alot of people having the crash to desktop with no error message. But again, EVERYONE YOU KNOW is not a very big sample, and I'm willing to bet someone out of them has had it crash on them, if you know very many people that is.

You missed the point of my Automobile collision analogy, But thanks for trying, and failing to see my point and substituting it for a point I wasn't trying to make.

I love the game however and look forward to my weekend so I can play it.

RE: I think I'll pass
By dark matter on 11/24/2011 7:12:10 PM , Rating: 2
Everyone you know isn't a big sample either.

You're at stalemate. You know just as much as he does. Or are you above the laws and rules you create for others?

RE: I think I'll pass
By SlyNine on 12/1/2011 9:09:24 AM , Rating: 2


RE: I think I'll pass
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2011 11:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
Have also only had 1 crash. That was in my first hour of playing.

And this game is definitely not ugly. Best looking game ever? No. Also there's plenty of mods to make it look better.

And I love the fact that I can play with my 360 controller and it be completely supported on my PC. It's great.

RE: I think I'll pass
By euler007 on 11/22/2011 1:32:21 PM , Rating: 2
When you're done staring at wood plank textures maybe you can look at the broader picture. Look at the dragon textures and don't mind the hanging bunny textures. It's pretty clear they kept lots of textures from Oblivion/Morrowind for unimportant stuff.

I'm playing on Ultra settings, and the music, immersion and level design is awesome. I had one of my friends over and we played the first eight hours of the game and were blown away. I told him at one point that people were complaining about the graphics on the internet, he was surprised (he's not used to the hardcore loser phenomenom).

It's worth every single penny I paid for it.

RE: I think I'll pass
By dark matter on 11/24/2011 7:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
Someone isn't happy.

RE: I think I'll pass
By Da W on 11/18/2011 1:48:26 PM , Rating: 3
Getting older sucks.
With a wife and kids and demanding job, i can't play those games anymore. I wish i could, cause there would have been Skyrim, Deus Ex, Space Marines, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Diablo 3, MW3, Battlefield 3, as well as Zelda Wii, while continuing my casual games of starcraft 2, civilization 5 and Shogun Total War. Most of these PC games in 3D on a 3 screen eyefinity setup. Throw-in a little porn cause i wouldn't have time to have a girlfriend... :-)

This is definitly a good year to be a gamer. Instead i'll be changing diapers for christmas. May be i can ask Santa Clauss for one of these game. just one...

RE: I think I'll pass
By Chaser on 11/25/2011 2:18:38 PM , Rating: 2
I love these disguised, "I have more important things to do in life with my family and career" posts.

Everyone has to have some free time. If we do too much of anything regardless of how selfless or devoted it may seem anyone can burn out.

Balance is key in life. To being both a good Dad, husband or worker. But hey glad you have time to read and wrote game posts.

RE: I think I'll pass
By The0ne on 11/29/2011 1:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
He also mentioned PORN! Give him a break, or rather a hand won't you!

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