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The delay is due to Model X design

It looks like Tesla Motors' Model X will see yet another delay as CEO Elon Musk says he's not entirely happy with the design yet.

According to Bloomberg, Musk admitted to being a "perfectionist" when it comes to product design, and he feels the Model X just isn't there yet. 

"It's damn hard to make an SUV in particular that is beautiful and yet incredibly functional at the same time," said Musk. "It's a harder design problem than the Model S."

While the Model X design is a core issue, Musk added that the expansion of Model S sales into Europe and Asia in 2013 and 2014 is a cause for delay. Tesla is making sure both vehicles are being tended to properly, but the Model S has a lot going on right now. 

The Model X is Tesla's upcoming electric SUV, which Musk shed some light on recently. He said the new EV will be heavier than the Model S with 10 percent higher energy consumption; have the same wheelbase as the Model S, but will be taller since it's a crossover; sport "Falcon Doors" for rear seat occupants, and feature all-wheel-drive as a standard with a separate electric motor driving the front wheels.

Other reported features are three battery capacities (40, 60, and 85 kWh), the ability to sprint from 0 to 60 mph in around 4.4 seconds and a maximum driving range between 214 to 267 miles.


Elon Musk with the Model X [SOURCE: Sun Country Highway]

The Model X was originally slated to release in 2013 for $49,900, but it was delayed to 2014. Now it's delayed yet another year.

In other Tesla-related news, Musk addressed rumors regarding Tesla's talks with tech giant Apple. He admitted that the two companies were in talks, but he didn't mention anything about an acquisition. He added that a sale was "very unlikely," but further mentioned that he'd be open to it if the opportunity allowed Tesla to make a mass-market for affordable and compelling EVs. 

But it doesn't look like that time is right now. 

Tesla looks to be doing just fine on its own for the time being. Just yesterday, the company reported a profit of $46 million (33 cents a share), which beat analyst forecasts of 21 cents a share. Also, Tesla's fourth-quarter loss decreased to $16.2 million, which is much slimmer than the $90 million loss a year earlier.  

More good news is that Tesla's vehicle sales rose to $610.9 million from $294.4 million a year ago. The Palo Alto, California automaker said it delivered 6,900 Model S electric cars globally in Q4.

Sources: Bloomberg, Apple Insider



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Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By tng on 2/20/2014 11:33:28 AM , Rating: 4
On the heels of yesterdays earning news from Tesla, it becomes obvious to almost everybody that there is a market for up-scale EVs with a decent range and support.

However IMO... Tesla really does need to branch out into the SUV area to continue upward growth in the next 10 years. It will also require a refresh of the basic model S styling at some point with some gains in range at a better price point.

I understand that many people out there say that they need a econo box EV to compete with the Leaf, but I don't think it is in their best interest to do that. Right now their market is somewhat "highbrow" and that is helping them short term and maybe long term as well.




RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 12:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
They are keeping pace with inflation as far as I'm aware. In some cases Tesla has made options out of what used to be standard features in order to meet profitability targets. (25%+ profit margin and counting.)


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 1:11:25 PM , Rating: 2
My understanding is that the Model X is parity (roughly) with the 'S's new pricing. Let's also not forget that the 'X includes AWD. As with other manufacturers this adds to the base price.

The Model X is less efficient because it's bigger; what's the big fuss? The same "skateboard" is used in both the 'S and the 'X, saving development, validation and manufacturing costs.

In future it's extremely probable that updated 18650 cells from Panasonic or others will increase range for all new "skateboard"-based cars but for the moment the design appears fixed.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 12:22:55 PM , Rating: 1
No one here has said as much. I don't know why you're arguing a point no one besides yourself has made on this page.

All cars damage the roads. In most countries taxation of some sort or another pays to repair them. Given that semi-trucks use the same roads (for the most part) as passenger vehicles, there is probably a tiny fraction of a difference in the damage caused by an SUV vs a passenger car.

I don't see the Model X as having that much more mass than the 'S; the body and most components appear to still be aluminum and the wheelbase is of a similar length:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/7554...

To my knowledge only the front motor/gearbox and the height are significantly different...


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/21/14, Rating: 0
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:24:05 PM , Rating: 3
On this page at the time I wrote those words? Another lie.


By Rukkian on 2/21/2014 4:57:48 PM , Rating: 3
So, so whack job spews off some rhetoric at some point in the past, and you are using that as an argument against this vehicle?


By Drakmarl on 2/21/2014 4:32:19 PM , Rating: 2
I am just a student in Civil Engineering in the US. However, I can tell you that we are taught that a 2000 pound axle weight vehicle uses up .001 of the lifespan of a road when compared to the 20000 pound axle weight that is the max allowed in the US(semi-trucks like to push this). The lifespan usage is a non linear function, basically for 2 axle vehicles an 8000 pound vehicle uses ~6 times the lifespan of a 4000 pound vehicle, but only 0.6% of what a fully loaded semi will use.

BTW Fun extra tidbit. Vehicles that exceed the axle weight limit can get tickets that are in the $10,000-$100,000 range in the state I live in.


By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 12:40:29 PM , Rating: 1
These new generation crossovers are basically tall station wagons that a lot of people do need. The need for a true rugged truck based SUV is probably much smaller than what their sales indicated, they were more image than function.


By wordsworm on 2/26/2014 8:56:26 PM , Rating: 1
Big cars aren't the problem. Fuel consumption is the problem. You really need to get out to a college. Usually you can find more educated people there who can give you a better grasp of reality than you're used to in your swamp side trailer.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By clarkn0va on 2/20/2014 5:10:23 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
less efficient and more costly


It's an SUV. What were you expecting?

I'm not a fan of SUVs and I've never owned one, but if you consider Musk's goal of replacing ICE vehicles with EVs, then it makes sense to make what people are buying. How dumb would he have to be to produce a compact EV and hope to sell it to the SUV and F-150 driving masses?


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Spuke on 2/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By clarkn0va on 2/21/2014 12:27:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The hypocrisy is stunning isn't it?


That statement might make sense if I had once criticized the makers of SUVs and then turned around and defended them, but I have never done the former, and I can't be held accountable for what other posters have said in previous conversations.

I do think SUVs are mostly silly, but blaming any one manufacturer for building what the consumer is buying is sillier. I suppose you would execute all the prostitutes and set the johns free.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/21/14, Rating: 0
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 12:29:22 PM , Rating: 2
Irrational would imply there was no basis for complaint. Many complaints were again with respect to existing SUV powerplants.

The 'X does not have a large ICE and hence is perhaps practical for many buyers while avoiding large bills for fuel.


By ComputerJuice on 2/24/2014 2:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
<sarcasm>

Yes you are correct, people should & can never change their minds! How dare they?!!

You implied it right brother: changing ones mind or opinion = hypocrisy!

When will people learn that posting an opinion online is the same as tattooing it on their forehead??

</sarcasm>


By Philippine Mango on 2/20/2014 7:23:16 PM , Rating: 2
I still hate SUVs for all the reasons you've mentioned. Now what would be really cool is if Tesla were to wait long enough to improve battery production yield and quality to the point where by the time they release the Model X, it will have the same efficiency and curb weight as the current Model S. It's possible Elon Musk isn't satisfied with the curb weight of the Model X and it hoping to get the battery weight down in the Model X so there is effectively no weight increase. (At least that's what I'd hope he is doing!)


By Just Tom on 2/21/2014 9:20:35 AM , Rating: 2
If you hate SUV's because of their curb weight save some of that hate for the Model S, which weighs as much as a Ford Explorer.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By atechfan on 2/21/2014 4:48:00 AM , Rating: 2
That atrocity is NOT a SUV. None of these minivans for people who think they are too cool for minivans are real SUVs. If it isn't an off-road capable, tough as nails people hauler, it isn't a real SUV. An electric SUV wouldn't make sense, because the point of an SUV is to go places regular vehicles can't, and there isn't likely to be a recharging station once you get there.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
You're right - it isn't an SUV. It's been billed as a crossover. And I've charged an EV from a campsite, from my mother in law's, from restaurants and frankly anywhere else where a standard 120V NEMA 5-15 plug was located. Seems pretty convenient to me.

The Model x will be successful in its role as a vehicle with seven comfortable seats and good performance.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By atechfan on 2/22/2014 6:16:52 AM , Rating: 2
Going to a serviced campsite is not going offroad.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/22/14, Rating: -1
By josh_b on 2/25/2014 11:08:32 PM , Rating: 1
I would hate to live in your world where new technologies like practical and usable EVs are a black and white issue.

Thank you DT for the article and good day.


By josh_b on 2/25/2014 10:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
And? Most people who own SUVs (or crossovers as this one is) never take their car offroad anyways.

This car is practical and Tesla's customers will find it both practical and comfortable.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 12:46:05 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I know some people told me this was not the case but I swear the Model X was supposed to be the cheap one initially. Quite frankly, I'm disappointed.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 1:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
I've always heard that Gen3 (Model E) was the "mass market" vehicle with the lowered price point.

Model X is essentially a reshelled Model S and as such uses the Gen 2 platform. It is therefore roughly equal to the 'S in price.


By Spuke on 2/20/2014 2:21:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've always heard that Gen3 (Model E) was the "mass market" vehicle with the lowered price point.
See, I didn't even hear about this one until recently. I probably got mixed up somewhere.


By BifurcatedBoat on 2/27/2014 1:07:58 PM , Rating: 2
25% is pretty high, and it really doesn't make me excited about the prospect of buying one.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By tng on 2/20/2014 12:45:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone is telling us we need to drive EV's, yet Teslas are getting more expensive AND the new models have even less range.
quote:
three battery capacities (40, 60, and 85 kWh)... ...a maximum driving range between 214 to 267 miles.
I could do my commute with that. Can't afford the entry price, but the range is good. Not like the 70-90 ranges that you typically see. One would expect that there would be some kind of diminished capabilities since like a petro SUV it is bigger, heavier and 4X4.

What I want to know is where are the tree huggers on this? they complain about luxury "gas guzzlers" and SUVs all the time, saying they are not needed and they are destroying the planet, isn't this the same thing?


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 12:50:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I want to know is where are the tree huggers on this? they complain about luxury "gas guzzlers" and SUVs all the time, saying they are not needed and they are destroying the planet, isn't this the same thing?
I wonder the same thing...sometimes.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 1:22:02 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think there's a problem with folks buying a vehicle that's appropriate for their needs.

I know my wife and I enjoy our Model S but would appreciate the ability to put our daughter into the back seats through the falcon wing doors. It would remove the need to reach so far into the back seats at such a vicious angle and allow for her friends to ride along with us.

What about a Model X that's used to take clients to and from events? The Model X is a car that can perhaps seat an entire executive team in comfort!

In any case I can't imagine "tree huggers" would feel bad about a highly efficient SUV? I know I don't. I think most environmentalists dislike SUVs based on their gasoline or diesel consumption figures. Others may dislike the body style, but I suspect there are more critics with the former concern. The 'X seems close enough in efficiency to an 'S that driving style is of more concern.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 2:22:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think most environmentalists dislike SUVs based on their gasoline or diesel consumption figures.
It wasn't just that, they also said that the higher weight jacked the roads up more (and should be taxed more to even though SUV owners pay more in fuel taxes).


By Solandri on 2/20/2014 6:14:33 PM , Rating: 2
Battery packs are heavy. The Tesla S already weighs as much a full-size SUV. So I doubt you'll see many complaints from environmentalists on this front.

4650 lbs - Tesla S
4550 lbs - Ford Explorer (#2 selling full-size SUV)
4200-4500 lbs - Jeep Grand Cherokee (#1 selling full-size SUV)
3300-3500 lbs - Honda CR-V (#1 selling SUV)
3250 lbs - Ford Escape (#2 selling SUV)


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By superflex on 2/21/2014 12:48:43 PM , Rating: 2
Good luck opening the "falcon wing" door in your garage or in tight parking spots. I guess your kids can climb over the front seat and get out that way.
Have any of you idiots ever operated a car with door that open to the top? I have and it's not a vehicle you can use every day.
A SUV with doors that open upwards is even worse.
Image is everything and the retards at DT prove this on a daily basis.
FFS


By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
If everyone here is a "retard", then why would you hang out on the site - birds of a feather and all.


By flyingpants1 on 2/21/2014 9:22:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Good luck opening the "falcon wing" door in your garage or in tight parking spots.


It works fine in both of those scenarios, obviously.

I think sliding doors that wrap around to the top of the car would have been better, though.


By danjw1 on 2/20/2014 1:14:39 PM , Rating: 2
While the Model X will be less efficient than the Model S, it is still going to be more efficient than a internal combustion car.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By amanojaku on 2/20/2014 1:27:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
One would expect that there would be some kind of diminished capabilities since like a petro SUV it is bigger, heavier and 4X4.
Well, the Model X has less range than the S (Telsa lists 230-300mi). However, the Model X, being newer, has better electronics and design so somethings improved. 0-60mph times for the X beat two of the three S variants.
quote:
What I want to know is where are the tree huggers on this? they complain about luxury "gas guzzlers" and SUVs all the time, saying they are not needed and they are destroying the planet, isn't this the same thing?
Far too many people justify electric vehicles by saying they create less pollution than ICEs, because power plants are more efficient (a claim that has a lot of variables) or because you can get you electricity from alternative sources (that aren't ubiquitous and don't offer the capacity of traditional fossil fuel or nuclear plants).

EVs would be an awesome idea if they were powered solely by solar panels or something. The best that can be said about EVs is they don't dump the pollution onto the streets and highways. Instead, the increased power plant use dumps pollution into the areas surrounding the plant. Which could be filled with wild life. Oh, and that pollution often includes radioactive fly ash and other toxic contaminants. But wait! Power plants use pollution control devices and capture most of the contaminants! Which are then put into products like cement, concrete, asphalt, bricks, and even deicing products.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By mjv.theory on 2/20/2014 3:51:53 PM , Rating: 2
ICE cars are still 3x more polluting than EVs charged with electricity from coal-fired por stations. From an environmental toxicity view point, then yes, it would be better if all electric generation were nuclear.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By mjv.theory on 2/20/2014 3:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
that should be "power stations" not "por stations"


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:26:35 PM , Rating: 2
Modern US coal plants are a far cry from the likes of coal plants in China but at least switching to natural gas is the cheap short term solution.


By superflex on 2/21/2014 3:54:57 PM , Rating: 2
The Bakken and Eagle Ford are in decline.
The Marcellus is still rising in production, but shale gas is not like trap rock oil. Maybe 10 more years from the Marcellus.
Then what?
Maybe Elon will sell a pedal kit as an option.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By superflex on 2/21/2014 12:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
Try that argument with the people of Japan.


By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
Fukashima was seemingly poorly planned and surely not properly maintained. Nuclear power should be safe if the plants are well situated and regulations are followed.

In short the mistakes of the past can be avoided if we use some common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuc...


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 2:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Model S is incredibly overpriced for the performance and amenities you get.
I honestly like the car but for that price a Cadillac CTS-V is a better deal for me.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:22:06 PM , Rating: 2
Eh, overpriced? There arent many cars to compare it with. The new CTS is pretty awesome but I don't think I would put the two in the same category. BMW's upcoming i8 is going to be the first true competitor for the model s.


By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe it has anywhere near the same number of seats.

The Model S is a great commuter car for me during the day and a great family car on evenings and weekends. To my knowledge no one at Tesla has promoted the 'S as a track car even if it has some legs to take a few laps.


RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really a Pipe Dream, Tesla Needs This
By BryanC on 2/20/2014 6:12:20 PM , Rating: 3
Have you driven one? I have. 0-60 in 4-5 seconds is plenty fast for the street. And top speeds in the US are limited to 80-85 MPH anyway. The Model S isn't great for the Autobahn or for the track, but for everyday driving, it's one of the quickest cars around.

You should drive one, you'd probably like it.


By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
Basically for street driving quickness and handling are really the only driving characteristics that matter. Top speed and how the car "feels" at 150mph is pretty irrelevant.


By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I want to know is where are the tree huggers on this?


I think tree huggers are ok with crossovers. They are giving people the cargo space that some people need without the poor mileage of a true SUV.


Slow And Steady
By Arsynic on 2/20/2014 1:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
Hearing good Tesla news makes me giddy. We need Tesla out there to move this thing forward. The tech is only going to get better.

Soon all of the gripes about electric vehicles will be a thing of the past.

The only thing that kind of pisses me off is that in the future, you'll have guests and relatives parking their EVs in your yard and wanting to plug in. Are they going to contribute to the electric bill? Would it be dickish of me to tell them they can't?




RE: Slow And Steady
By tng on 2/20/2014 1:22:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Soon all of the gripes about electric vehicles will be a thing of the past.
...and 20 years from now the standard range will be 120 miles instead of 85... Face it there are no big "breakthroughs" in the development of batteries, it is only a slow trickle of improvements.

Also the EVs with more useable ranges will still cost 3X what a normal middle class family can afford.


RE: Slow And Steady
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 1:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
If we are to take Tesla at face value the Model E will bring 200 miles of range for apx. 35-40k.

Each year the average improvement to specific energy within the lithium ion secondary battery world appears to be 7-8%. If we extrapolate your 85 mile figure range would increase to 90.95 miles in a single year. 20 years would allow for 204 miles of range, assuming linear scaling.

I agree the pace of improvement could be better but I think you are too quick to discount EVs as a viable transportation method.


RE: Slow And Steady
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 2:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree the pace of improvement could be better but I think you are too quick to discount EVs as a viable transportation method.
So you think 200 mile range will make them more viable in 20 years? People will expect even more then unless, of course, we go through some more "I just forgot the past again" and "the previous generation were just idiots". Oh wait...


RE: Slow And Steady
By FITCamaro on 2/20/2014 2:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
My 2013 Altima SV has a 650-700 mile range.


RE: Slow And Steady
By Spuke on 2/20/2014 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My 2013 Altima SV has a 650-700 mile range.
Which is friggin ridiculous! Awesome!


RE: Slow And Steady
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:32:37 PM , Rating: 2
My work commute should be considered long at 110km minimum, assuming no detours are required. It takes me through some of the most highly congested parts of North America and we experience some fairly adverse weather. My wife enjoys driving us around in the evenings when we go for dinner and we certainly don't miss out on any events - we take as many trips as the next family.

Our 'S has been the daily and primary car since we got it last March. Despite the shorter range recharging is cheap and easy, even away from home. I don't think the ~265 mile range has deterred us from much if anything.

Time to get over range anxiety.


RE: Slow And Steady
By flyingpants1 on 2/21/2014 12:15:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also the EVs with more useable ranges will still cost 3X what a normal middle class family can afford.


It costs ~$500/mo to lease and fuel a mid-sized sedan. Model E will cost slightly more than that.


RE: Slow And Steady
By superflex on 2/21/2014 4:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
It costs me less than $200/month to fuel a V-8 Audi S4 I already own. So I should spend another $400/month so I can be green?
Reclaimer's chick magnet Altima can probably go an entire month on less than $70 in gas.
Leasing is a fool's paradise. Leasing a Tesla is a retards paradise.


RE: Slow And Steady
By flyingpants1 on 2/21/2014 8:59:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It costs me less than $200/month to fuel a V-8 Audi S4 I already own.

Reclaimer's chick magnet Altima can probably go an entire month on less than $70 in gas.


Uh.. that's great for you two.

quote:
So I should spend another $400/month so I can be green?


Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. Everyone should drive a new car, all the time, even if you're not in the market for one.

quote:
Leasing is a fool's paradise. Leasing a Tesla is a retards paradise.


Regardless of what you think about leasing in general, leasing a Tesla will be cost-competitive with leasing other sedans.


RE: Slow And Steady
By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Would it be dickish of me to tell them they can't?


yes


Where does this stuff come from?
By FITCamaro on 2/20/2014 11:28:15 AM , Rating: 1
Why would Apple want to buy Tesla?

To increase the douchebag factor?

Besides, they'd just start making them out of aluminum then and raise the cost twice as high.




RE: Where does this stuff come from?
By FITCamaro on 2/20/2014 11:28:47 AM , Rating: 2
They're probably in talks to provide better vehicle integration for iPhones.


By FITCamaro on 2/20/2014 11:29:35 AM , Rating: 2
Or an iOS infotainment system.


RE: Where does this stuff come from?
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 12:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
Either that or they plan on sharing the cost of the new battery factory. I'm told this new site may equal or exceed the production capacity of all existing factories.


RE: Where does this stuff come from?
By josh_b on 2/20/2014 11:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
They're already made primarily out of aluminum.


By FITCamaro on 2/20/2014 12:36:23 PM , Rating: 2
It was a joke man.


RE: Where does this stuff come from?
By NicodemusMM on 2/20/2014 6:49:19 PM , Rating: 2
Bridge the wrong two pieces on the steering wheel and it lunges forward uncontrollably...

"You're driving it wrong."

:)


By atechfan on 2/21/2014 4:42:06 AM , Rating: 2
Toyota already has a patent on that.


RE: Where does this stuff come from?
By flyingpants1 on 2/21/2014 12:17:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Besides, they'd just start making them out of aluminum then and raise the cost twice as high.


I don't understand. Teslas are already made of aluminium.


By superflex on 2/21/2014 12:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
Detecting sarcasm isn't your strong point.


Hey Tesla, don't ruin a good thing by....
By GotThumbs on 2/20/2014 11:28:40 AM , Rating: 2
partnering with Apple.

Tesla should design their systems to work with as many options/devices as they can.

There is a greater chance of me buying a Tesla vehicle in the future, than there ever will be of me buying/using an Apple product. flat out, I'll never own/use an apple device.

I build my own systems and home server/NAS, why would I want to get stuck with some piece of crap apple proprietary system/device/interface in my vehicle.

I understand others will not feel the same, but there are lots of sheep in the world. I just prefer greater control in my life/choices and do not bow down to others will so easily as others may.

I respect others choices, but I expect them to respect mine.

~Best wishes on your choices.




RE: Hey Tesla, don't ruin a good thing by....
By GotThumbs on 2/20/2014 11:32:38 AM , Rating: 4
If Apple were to actually BUY Tesla, well then the chances of me owning one will also drop to 0%.

I really hope Tesla is never owned by Apple. It would ruin the brand/quality imo.

~Best wishes on keeping what you earned.


By tng on 2/20/2014 12:33:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I really hope Tesla is never owned by Apple. It would ruin the brand/quality imo.
LOL it would also ruin my morning cup of coffee...

It would become really hard to find parking outside of a any Starbucks if it were to happen.


By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:43:10 PM , Rating: 2
Apple would immediately move production to China and offer only one model with one choice of interiors and color schemes.


By Silver2k7 on 2/20/2014 6:57:57 PM , Rating: 1
"why would I want to get stuck with some piece of crap apple proprietary system/device/interface in my vehicle."

I don't think you want to mess to much with the car computer.. like getting a bluescreen on the highway or is that redring of death ^^

or perhaps they can have the core functionality separated so it cant mess up any of th vital functions.


Tesla
By Richard875yh5 on 2/21/2014 10:29:43 AM , Rating: 1
I've alway maintained that when Tesla gets real competition, they will fail. Not long ago, rumors were GM would buy Tesla, now we hear Apple might do that. This tells me Tesla know they will not be able to survive and are looking for alternatives if and when this happens.




RE: Tesla
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:38:11 PM , Rating: 2
Based on what I hear that couldn't be further from the truth.

Other companies haven't the patents on battery management - the secret sauce required to manage lithium cells for long life and best performance. That's why big names like Toyota and Daimler use Tesla drivetrains, albeit admittedly only in their compliance cars.


RE: Tesla
By flyingpants1 on 2/21/2014 8:41:03 PM , Rating: 2
There will be no pure EV competition for years to come. Tesla won't sell until at least 2018.


Tesla
By Richard875yh5 on 2/20/2014 6:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Elon Musk will be as lucky with this car. People don't like big changes like those doors. Elon should read the the "Future Shock" by Alvin Toffler to find out what I mean.




RE: Tesla
By josh_b on 2/21/2014 4:44:43 PM , Rating: 2
The doors may be of concern to some people. I personally think they're innovative and would like to try them. I wish (as pointed out earlier) that my daugther would be easier to get into her car seat if I could reach directly to the back seat area.


Makes sense
By Philippine Mango on 2/20/2014 7:19:28 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla is currently battery constrained and can't build enough Model Ss fast enough so putting further strain on that capacity by building another vehicle would be foolish at this point. Building another vehicle won't help profitability if they're supply constrained. Enhancing the Model S production efficiency while they tweak the Model X design and sort out their battery production issues is the right way to go.




RE: Makes sense
By Jeffk464 on 2/21/2014 2:45:34 PM , Rating: 2
Makes sense to me


Leave the gullwings out
By BifurcatedBoat on 2/27/2014 1:06:38 PM , Rating: 2
Gullwing doors might look cool on the showroom floor, but that would just cause problems if I tried to put it in my garage.




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