quote: The total ecological cost from production through scrap of a Tesla is higher than for most LEVs
quote: Most LEVs don't compete with 15-20 MPG luxury sedans.
quote: A lot thought that Tesla wouldn't make it, but here we are and they are doing just fine. AND to get started they needed a loan from you and me (govt loan). And the Roadster cost over $100,000.
quote: It's right up there with the CEO of Coke saying Pepsi doesn't taste as good...
quote: they still didn't sell more than a handful.
quote: Batteries are going to leave fuel cells in their dust, and have fundamentally higher efficiency as well.
quote: Starts and stops and uphill climbs have much more to do with mass than aerodynamics.
quote: Toyota has been pretty savvy in the past about these things, and they are waiting on future battery breakthroughs because
quote: the current battery tech is simply not good enough. It's not a matter of engineering. It's a matter of science.
quote: I can certainly tell you that the range anxiety for a Leaf is very high here in the mountains of East Tennessee.
quote: I agree with Musk stating that Hydrogen is a pipe dream. There's too many problems with it
quote: First off where do you get hydrogen?
quote: Oil is made up of Hydrogen and Carbon chains. Both also very abundant in our universe but that has nothing to do with how easily it's found on our planet. Using your logic, this means Oil is limitless, we just need to find a magic way to make it right?
quote: Hydrogen is NOT found naturally on our planet. It is too light so any free hydrogen tends to float into space. So the problem with Hydrogen is that you need to produce any that you require. There is no known easy way to produce Hydrogen except by using natural gas. But if you're going to use natural gas, why in the world wouldn't you burn that to begin with?
quote: The EV crowd and most scientists recognize that electricity is already a part of our lives. We've mastered producing electricity and as the years go by we're getting more efficient at producing it. Where I live, we're mostly powered by hydro-electric dams so in a sense, my Volt is powered by moving water. We're familiar with batteries as they power a lot of electronic gizmos and it isn't a hard shot to realize that they could power our cars too.
quote: Compare this to Hydrogen. Pure hydrogen is found nowhere in our day to day lives. I think the only place I've ever heard of it being used is if you're a welder. Hydrogen is common in water but I don't think anyone in their right mind believes that you can just pour water into your car and it will magically work right?
quote: Car companies promoting hydrogen for two reasons. They first want to pick an alternative technology so impractical that it completely kills the dream to go there. It's like your friend telling you, you need to climb Mount Everest before you can climb a small hill.
quote: Second the other dirty secret they never tell you is that hydrogen is produced by natural gas because trying to produce it with water is so inefficient, you're better off charging a battery. So your "hydrogen" car is actually a very overpriced "natural gas" car. This puts you back in the same boat as an oil car. So what was the point?
quote: And hydrogen likes to explode a lot.
quote: So do lithium ion batteries :D
quote: why old billionaires keep investing, accumulating wealth?
quote: Hydrogen pumps could be added, holding tanks and the distributors could just add new trucks to the fleet.
quote: So basically the same cost as building a H2 station from scratch?
quote: . You think a propane tower & pump can be tacked onto any existing gas station without additional permits?
quote: The EV1 was massively expensive to manufacture, and kind of sucked as a passenger vehicle. It was guaranteed to be a sales flop!
quote: Economics, not some dark hand of big oil controlling everyone.
quote: the other fuels you cited do not
quote: Heaven forbid you should shut off the natural gas connection to your house since it also is a flammable gas, senor hypocrite.
quote: Hydrogen is stored in large quantities in many industrial applications without incident. Please cite for me the last hydrogen tank explosion. Heaven forbid you should shut off the natural gas connection to your house since it also is a flammable gas, senor hypocrite.