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Camera kept rolling until the cops arrived

A throng of internet spectators watched Miami-Dade County resident Abraham K. Biggs commit suicide on a live video feed Wednesday, after leaving a suicide note on bodybuilding information forum Bodybuilding.com.

According to Bodybuilding.com moderators, Biggs had a reputation for internet trolling – causing both the forum’s users and administrators to take his suicide threats as a joke. After posting his suicide note, Biggs switched on his Justin.tv feed, and proceeded to take a large number of pills before laying down on his bed.

Biggs posted on the Bodybuilder.com forums under the nickname “Candiejunkie,” and his Justin.tv account is “feels_like_ecstacy”.

Concerned onlookers pleaded with forum members to intervene, but were instead met with cynicism “on account of his past trolling.” Mashable reports that the police intervened only after an unknown Indian man tracked down Biggs’ name and location – and even then he was met with police staff who “failed to take the call seriously.”

User chatter on bodybuilding.com’s “Misc” board indicates that the forum may have shut down for an unknown amount of time after the suicide. While it is unclear as to whether or not board administrators erased anything, at the time of this writing roughly half of the threads appearing on the board’s first page seem to discuss Biggs’ death.

Screenshots of the video feed show a police officer obscuring Bigg’s corpse, and its accompanying chat room window displayed users expressing amusement at the cops’ arrival. Before laying down, onlookers reportedly egged Biggs on, believing his suicide to be a stunt. Screenshots indicate that the video feed had about 1500 viewers.

At the time of this writing, videos of the police arriving are still viewable at YouTube.

Moderators appear to have deleted Biggs’ original thread sometime around Thursday afternoon. A Google cache snapshot, however, shows forum members responding to Biggs’ suicide note with messages like, “oh not again!”

“Why?” asked a different poster.

“I wanna die dur [sic]” Biggs replied.

Earlier in 2007, a British man hung himself after “about 100” spectators goaded him on in a chat room.

Compounding matters is the fact that suicide is a regular, misunderstood feature in internet humor – some of it mean-spirited, some of it not.



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I hope
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2008 10:20:10 AM , Rating: 1
That the users who goaded the guy on are proud of themselves.




RE: I hope
By amanojaku on 11/21/2008 10:31:09 AM , Rating: 5
You think they're gonna remember this in five minutes?


RE: I hope
By Gzus666 on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By itlnstln on 11/21/2008 10:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
From the sounds of it, the people that did know him didn't care (enough), either. :(


RE: I hope
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2008 10:48:56 AM , Rating: 5
I didn't say I give a rats @$$ about the guy. But I wouldn't sit there and watch on a web cam as a dude offed himself.


RE: I hope
By DASQ on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By VaultDweller on 11/21/2008 11:26:50 AM , Rating: 5
No.

No it isn't.


RE: I hope
By cheetah2k on 11/24/2008 5:30:10 PM , Rating: 3
People who are sick enough to egg people on like this should be held as accomplises to murder.

Reminds me of that movie Untraceable...

sickos


RE: I hope
By MarcLeFou on 11/21/2008 11:33:06 AM , Rating: 4
I can say I rarely agree with what FITCamaro is saying, finding him way too radical for my taste, but he's a 100% right here.

Somebody killed himself while people were trying to spur him on.

I hope the people who did this feel like crap but I'm probably giving these bastards too much credit.


RE: I hope
By Regs on 11/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: I hope
By afkrotch on 11/21/2008 1:42:54 PM , Rating: 1
But I bet you watched CNN as they off'd Sadam Hussein.


RE: I hope
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2008 1:55:11 PM , Rating: 3
No I was at work that day. But I was quite happy to see that he got what he deserved. You're comparing just some random 19 year old guy to a sick murdering bastard who ordered the deaths of several hundred thousand people.


RE: I hope
By DASQ on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By masher2 (blog) on 11/21/2008 3:42:29 PM , Rating: 3
> "So watching a death of a human is okay pending CIRCUMSTANCE?"

Most certainly. Just as killing someone in self-defense is perfectly acceptable, whereas in other circumstances it's simply murder. The notion that there's any hypocrisy involved is resoundingly callow.


RE: I hope
By DASQ on 11/21/2008 5:30:38 PM , Rating: 1
No one is MURDERING anyone. That would be a totally difference situation, and it's rather pathetic of you to try and compare the two. Watching != Doing.

The action of watching has no immediate consequence in itself. Murdering someone is... well... there's a dead person in the end.

You imply that all people who could watch this = bad people. Morbid curiosity = You are a bad person. Apparently you are apt to judge people, Weigher of Souls.


RE: I hope
By masher2 (blog) on 11/21/2008 8:42:52 PM , Rating: 1
> "No one is MURDERING anyone"

Nor did anyone say they were. Since the concept of a parallel analogy has escaped you entirely, I'll clarify. The distinction between observing an execution and morbidly watching a simple suicide is akin to that between a death due to self-defense and one due to murder. A is to B as C is to D.

> "Apparently you are apt to judge people, Weigher of Souls"

This from the person who immediately (and incorrectly) judged the previous poster a hypocrite, simply because he felt nothing improper in watching an execution? How wonderfully ironic!


RE: I hope
By wantonblue on 11/25/2008 9:41:24 PM , Rating: 3
Schrödinger's cat
The act of observing may affect the outcome.

would the dude 'off' himself if no one was watching?


RE: I hope
By JonnyDough on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By DeuceHalo on 11/21/2008 5:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
Why? Because they follow the orders given by crappy politicians?

*rollseyes*


RE: I hope
By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 8:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
That's who I was talking about. Reading comprehension FTW!


RE: I hope
By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 3:33:40 PM , Rating: 3
I wouldn't sit anywhere and watch a guy on cam...

There's a reason I steer clear of YouTube, chat sites, half of what's on t.v., and most social networking sites. Simply put, they're a waste of time and rot your brain. Growing up as a child of the 80's I have to tell you...in my entire life I don't think I've watched more than 12 hours of MTV, and I wouldn't have it any other way.


RE: I hope
By helios220 on 11/21/2008 11:16:48 AM , Rating: 4
I don't know him, I don't need to know him, I still care.

What I am not however, is surprised. What a sad state we are in as a society when people no longer care about anything else other than themselves and their immediate interests.


RE: I hope
By Gzus666 on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By afkrotch on 11/21/2008 1:52:59 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What a sad state we are in as a society when people no longer care about anything else other than themselves and their immediate interests.


So please oh great one, what have you done to be so different? Everyone cares about themselves, before they care about others.

Even ppl who go out and help others are doing nothing more than boost their egos. "I'm better than you, cause I care about everything" or some BS crap like that.


RE: I hope
By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 3:38:14 PM , Rating: 1
I would rate you up for "sad state of society" but alas, I am a poster...

child...

for sexiness.

Me. I am. Right now. I'm sorry what were you saying? Oh yeah, that's right. I don't care. Did I mention I'm kind of a big deal?


RE: I hope
By marsbound2024 on 11/21/2008 4:43:52 PM , Rating: 3
I agree one hundred percent. There are some guys posting saying "LOL" as they see the police officer. I mean wtf. At that point, if I was watching in disbelief thinking it was a show, I would be utterly sick at my stomach. The only way I can substantiate that if the idiots STILL thought it was a show and the cop showed up and the kid was going to get in trouble for faking it. I truly hope some of the posters were this idiotic.


RE: I hope
By just4U on 11/25/2008 4:39:49 AM , Rating: 2
I suspect many of them still thought it was a put-on and maybe it was just some guy dressed as a cop.. Perhaps thinking OH wow the lengths this guy is taking things..

Im guessing ofcourse, but I imagine that when they found out it was all totally real and there was no more lingering doubts they felt remorse over it all. (one would hope anyway)


RE: I hope
By Alexstarfire on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: I hope
By napalmjack on 11/21/2008 12:32:48 PM , Rating: 3
I kinda have a vested interest in keeping my own species going...
Why should I care about squirrels?


RE: I hope
By masher2 (blog) on 11/21/2008 3:49:09 PM , Rating: 1
> "but probably don't even spend a dime to do the same thing for squirrels or an endangered species."

To correct a few of your numerous errors, the US spends billions of dollars annually on protecting endangered species...most of it indirect costs through the provisions of the ESA, but also through direct grants to the FWS (Fish and Wildlife Service) and the NOAA.

Furthermore, I don't know why we'd want to "protect squirrels", a prolific family of rodents most of which are utterly nonthreatened at present.

Finally, the notion that China is "doing the right thing" seems to fly in the face of reality. At current rates of population decline, many nations such as Japan, Russia, Germany, Italy, and many others will be essentially extinct in a century or so.


RE: I hope
By Ringold on 11/23/2008 2:40:37 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Our population is spiraling out of control as it is, with only China actually doing something to stunt their growth.


Sorry, that data stopped being relevant in the 70s. Welcome to the real world. OECD countries, with a few exceptions, face current or near-future population loss. Japan and some Western European countries face a rough next 30-50 years unless they accept vast numbers of immigrants from Africa or the Middle East. Some countries in Asia actually have to encourage their over-worked citizens to just go have sex and have kids due to the demographic problems of aging populations.

The only places still growing rapidly happen to be extremely poor, but Africa can't remain impoverished forever.

Soon enough, instead of people like you whining about population "spiraling out of control" the fear will be what to do about our shrinking cities, crushing retired population draining incredible sums from government coffers, etc. Japan, Italy and Russia come to mind as places that will have it particularly hard. Ignorance is bliss, though.


RE: I hope
By 67STANG on 11/21/2008 12:55:23 PM , Rating: 2
Answer: Darwin


RE: I hope
By marsbound2024 on 11/21/2008 4:41:29 PM , Rating: 3
Hm, I think anyone with a remnant of a heart will come back to remember this every once in a while. It is sort of haunting in a way. You think to yourself, "Did I help drive him to this?" Sure, the internet gives some form of anonymity, but when you see the guy on video commit suicide and it is someone you have been antagonizing for a while--even if you had nothing to do with his decision--you may start to question yourself. More antagonists on the internet probably just added up to the straw that broke the camel's back. I am sure his trolling was some sort of way of trying to get attention and someone to care about him. To most people, that logic is nuts, but to someone in distress who's felt like no one has ever been there for him, then he might just be quite pessimistic and on his last leg. His last decision in life was to see if anyone actually did care about him enough to call the police in concern, I am sure. Failing that, well, he'd assume die. At least that's what I make of it.


RE: I hope
By just4U on 11/25/2008 4:36:50 AM , Rating: 2
I was working on a friends computer installing updates while browsing over DailyTech. After reading thru this and many of the comments I plugged my computer back in to reply..

The whole story is very sad and I think that those that watched probably do feel some remorse. Hell I do just reading about it. Sad Sad story, and you could very well be right about your thoughts on it all.


RE: I hope
By Fanon on 11/21/2008 10:39:56 AM , Rating: 5
Chances are 99% of them didn't think he'd do it, as he's probably said "I'm gonna kill myself" before. As with the boy who cried wolf, when it really mattered, he had said it enough times to make other people not believe him.


RE: I hope
By Ryanman on 11/21/2008 10:47:48 AM , Rating: 2
It's his fault. Just because people didn't take him seriously and "encouraged" him doesn't make them wrong.
Is it eerie? Disturbing? Most definitely. The internet has created a culture that's outside the human norms - joking about suicide. But you can't police it. And saying that these people CAUSED this muffed up guy to swallow pills is dead wrong.

pun not intended.


RE: I hope
By FITCamaro on 11/21/2008 10:51:44 AM , Rating: 2
Oh I'm definitely not saying it's their fault either. I believe in being responsible for your own actions. I'm just saying the guy might not have done it if there weren't a few @ssclowns in the audience goading him on.

People commit suicide because they want attention. So those watching just fed his desires.


RE: I hope
By Gzus666 on 11/21/2008 10:56:19 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
People commit suicide because they want attention.


I believe you mean people who attempt suicide or talk about it to people all the time want attention. Plenty of people have killed themselves without telling anyone before hand. You can't really just lump everyone who does something into one category.

This guy was probably after attention, cause he was an idiot who used pills, which rarely works. Of course the whole webcam thing was clearly for attention as well.


RE: I hope
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 11/21/2008 12:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yep... I had a friend who just blow his head off (age 42). There was no signs, no warning, no nothing.... His wife did just leave him 2 months earlier but that does not mean life is over...

In many cases it's a chemical imbalance in the brain that would let someone end their own life. I talked to someone who set himself on fire (poured gas all over himself, then struck a match). He said, he does not remember anything - thinking about it, get the gas, striking the match, why, or what he was thinking. All I can say is I hope I never go through this imbalance in my skull.


RE: I hope
By Lord 666 on 11/21/2008 10:56:33 AM , Rating: 2
Suicide is a lot more complicated than "they want attention."


RE: I hope
By therealnickdanger on 11/21/2008 11:22:28 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, but it's a good way to sum it up. Call it selfishness or vanity if you want. People that TELL people they are going to commit suicide and attempt it are usually not truly suicidal. The people that keep to themselves and then are found days later by the landlord... the ones that force a confrontation with a cop... those are the ones that actually want to die - and they succeed.

This guy was obviously a drama-queen looking for attention and his stunt went to far and actually killed him. Sucker.


RE: I hope
By VashHT on 11/21/2008 12:10:27 PM , Rating: 1
Are you sure, maybe he just wanted someone else to know he actually died. Or maybe he wanted to prove something to the assholes egging him on, that is that he would actually do it. You can't really read the guys mind, how do you know he was just a drama queen who screwed up attempting suicide?

Either way it's quite annoying when people make fun of someone who killed themselves, I know it's cool to be a douchebag and an asshole nowadays but people take it too far.


RE: I hope
By therealnickdanger on 11/21/2008 2:03:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You can't really read the guys mind

Actually, I just bought a AMD 4870x2 and it says clearly on the box: "may cause clairvoyance". Yeah, it's got that much power.


RE: I hope
By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 3:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, most people commit suicide because they feel trapped by society and circumstance. They feel worthless. It has nothing to do with selfishness. You should really research psychology before you spouting FUD about something as serious as this. Depression affects MANY MANY people, and more people contemplate suicide than you may realize. People that talk about suicide are those asking for help. Those that receive no help are the ones that DO commit suicide. If you know someone talking about it, it's probably time to intervene and get them help. My guess is that in his personal life, he couldn't find any support because he'd been lifting weights and all his friends were jocks who didn't really care. Let's not forget that steroids biggest threat is that they AFFECT MOOD through hormone level changes, etc. There is a reason teenage girls face so many problems, they go through puberty and have to learn to cope with mood swings.


I saw it
By Storkme on 11/21/2008 10:38:57 AM , Rating: 5
I love how every article about this guy insinuates that everybody was trying to get him to top himself. I haven't seen a single one mentioning the hundreds of posts in that thread offering support and trying to help out.

Despite the actions of a few individuals in the chat room / forum thread, the contributions and comments were wholly supportive.

Stories like this that paint the internet as this bleak, cold, heartless place are unfair. It isn't fair to judge everyone on the actions of a few miscreants.




RE: I saw it
By DASQ on 11/21/2008 11:09:04 AM , Rating: 5
I'm pretty sure the internet IS a bleak, cold, heartless place.

When was the last time the internet held you to it's bosom, and whispered sweet nothings to your ear about how it all would be 'okay'?


RE: I saw it
By rcsinfo on 11/21/2008 11:14:51 AM , Rating: 5
All the time! Of course they want your credit card info first....


RE: I saw it
By SeetheSeer on 11/23/2008 6:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
6


RE: I saw it
By mindless1 on 11/21/2008 8:50:24 PM , Rating: 3
It will all be okay. Dispatch the lolz cats!


RE: I saw it
By Samus on 11/23/2008 9:39:36 PM , Rating: 2
who cares? he killed himself. natural selection's a bitch.


RE: I saw it
By icanhascpu on 11/23/2008 8:25:48 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I read things online all the time that make my life better, happier, and more informed. Sometimes sad things, sometimes great things about the future.

So basicaly youre just a depressed person. The internet is a positive tool.


RE: I saw it
By tastyratz on 11/24/2008 11:45:48 AM , Rating: 2
your first paragraph could be said of chain mail as well.

The internet is a tool for whatever you want. You can use it to find positive or negative. Its full of everything and everyone just as the world is full of good people and bad people.
In reality it's purely just another mean for information.


RE: I saw it
By TomCorelis on 11/21/2008 1:13:25 PM , Rating: 5
From what I could gather (after all, the mods deleted the thread), the vast majority of responses to his suicide threats were not in support. Maybe later on in the thread -- but then, all that information was deleted.

There's another suicide-type thread currently posted and users are responding with the same sarcasm and cynicism, with a handful of posters expressing some kind of support.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112...


RE: I saw it
By Haltech on 11/22/2008 9:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
Thats the nature of that forum (the Misc). They do that kinda of stuff. It was a simple case of Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Oh by the way the forum was down not because of the thing that happened to CandyJunkie, it was down because of a power outage at the server place.


RE: I saw it
By FaceMaster on 11/23/2008 7:17:11 PM , Rating: 1
It's only one step up from the 'Lets do something stupid and put it on youtube'.


A few corrections...
By xmichaelx on 11/21/2008 7:41:31 PM , Rating: 2
1) Bodybuilding.com isn't even primarily a bodybuilding site. It's a site for information about working out. The vast majority of folks there are not -- and are not interested in becoming -- bodybuilders. Even fewer have ever used or condoned the use of steroids.

2) The Misc. section of bodybuilding.com (where all this happened) has nothing to do with bodybuilding or working out, and most of the people there don't work out at all. It's like a dumbed-down 4CHAN or Fark. The guy who killed himself was one these Misc. trolls. He may have used drugs, but steroids weren't among them. AFAIK, he didn't even work out.

3) I've been a member of Bodybuilding.com for about a year, and have never even come across mention of steroids. Those discussions remain in the Steroids section of the forum, and are some of the least-trafficked on the site. (And no, supplements are not steroids, unless beef and eggs are also steroids.)

Bodybuilding.com is a great site for lots of types of info (esp. the Over 35 forum). It's unfortunate that DailyTech, a site I read daily, has so much misinformation about it.




RE: A few corrections...
By Senju on 11/22/2008 5:14:32 PM , Rating: 2
I agree!
I am a member of BodyBuilding.com. I did not even know they allow talks about steroids. I have been going to their shop for years now but only for health stuff.
Examples:

Lutein Eyes by Solaray
Very good stuff for your eyes.
It really makes my eyes feel good all day and I do not rub them like I use to.

DHEA by Higher Power
50mg of this a day will keep you younger! Well, I think it works! :D

Sesamin by Scivation
This is great stuff to support liver and kidney health! I strongly recommend it.

BobyBuilding.com has one of the best places to go online and by health goods. Their ethics are good and the information there is the best. I really depend on this site!

Anyway, this site has nothing to do with Steroids. Good Grief!


RE: A few corrections...
By japlha on 11/24/2008 11:31:06 AM , Rating: 2
Actually eggs and meat do contain a steroid. It's called cholesterol. ;)
I used to go to bodybuilding.com and in particular the MISC section. What a waste. Too many people and too much misinformation there. Lots of trolls. Some funny threads though. Cell-tech boy and badboy were funny threads.


bodybuilding.com
By FUXX on 11/21/2008 10:41:27 AM , Rating: 5
Saying bodybuilding.com is a steriod information forum is akin to saying dailytech is a "science website."




well...
By niva on 11/21/2008 11:36:30 AM , Rating: 5
I'm a member of bodybuilding.com

While steroids are discussed there it is NOT a steroid forum.

Secondly even though I didn't know this guy nor was aware until this article this had happened I can easily understand how it could happen. People on those forums do some really stupid stunts. Apparently not all of the viewers were unconcerned and someone tracked the guy down though it was clearly too late.

I feel sad for the guy that he was so low in life to do that to himself.




Disturbingly reminiscent of "Untraceable"
By dalewb on 11/21/2008 12:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
This is disturbingly reminiscent of torture movie "Untraceable," a movie in which the antagonist tortured victims and broadcast it in real-time via the internet. The more people that logged on to view the event, the more quickly the victim was executed.




By hrah20 on 11/21/2008 4:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
that was what I first thought when I read the title, hope it doesn't become epidemic


Steroid Information?
By blaster5k on 11/21/2008 10:35:56 AM , Rating: 2
I wasn't aware that Bodybuilding.com's forums were dedicated solely to steroid information, but that's what one might think reading the first paragraph.




RE: Steroid Information?
By omnicronx on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Steroid Information?
By xmichaelx on 11/21/2008 7:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
Clearly you don't know anything about either supplements or steroids (but if you'd like to learn about the former, you might start at http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7... ).

Steroid discussions are not welcome in the Supplements boards at bb.com.

BTW- The forum is part of the larger bb.com site, which is dedicated to selling supplements and workout gear. Not surprising that the supplements section would be large.


Bug
By JAB on 11/21/2008 10:55:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Compounding matters is the fact that suicide is a regular, misunderstood feature in internet humor – some of it mean-spirited, some of it not.


Feature- nice way of putting it. The thing is humor is the only healthy way to seal with tragedy sometimes. Obviously not a safe joke if you don't know the person very well and it is human nature to put people in cute little categories.

Wow if this is not going to be an annoying meme. Bonus(I mean that in jest) if this gets enough attention others will follow. What does that say about people?




Hmmm
By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 3:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
Behavior changing steroids + Miami Dade Co. = suicide on the net.

I'll be sure to inform my child of the inherent dangers of being a jock from a crappy place.




Lame
By Jacerie on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Lame
By TechBiz2008 on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Lame
By afkrotch on 11/21/2008 1:40:16 PM , Rating: 1
There's suicide by cop. You even end up on TV. Maybe go to your neighborhood and gun down a few ppl, then end it all with cops shooting you to death.

Nah, much rather him just swallow some pills in the comfort of his own home. Better yet, don't broadcast it too. It's apparent the suicidee is a pathetic waste anyway. They seem to think so themselves.


RE: Lame
By Jacerie on 11/21/2008 3:09:13 PM , Rating: 4
Exactly! If you're going to insist that everyone share in your ultimate triumph of cowardice, at least make it worth everyone's time.

Also, I'd like to thank everyone for my first negative rating. WOOHOO!!!


Suicide = Darwinism
By TechBiz2008 on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By marsbound2024 on 11/21/2008 4:37:29 PM , Rating: 3
Or the guy felt society failed him? Or perhaps he was suffering from depression or another mental illness (I am sure at least depression). Mental illness is a lot more serious than some people make it out to be. If you've never had it, then you shouldn't make light of it--it can be severely debilitating. I am sure that in a way this kid did want people to save him and take him seriously and indeed it is probably an act of trying to get attention, but that makes the act no less serious nor should we play it down. It's someone's life we are talking about. For someone to take such drastic measures means the kid seriously needed help but no one was able to provide it.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By TechBiz2008 on 11/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By William Gaatjes on 11/22/2008 8:27:37 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now you might say that's a harsh stance to take. A few years ago I outlined my veins vertically and started to cut them open (there's no coming back from that). I was out in the woods and all that was left to notify people was an email I timed to be sent out a day after I completed my suicide. Guess what, I didn't do it, I understood the consequences.


Good for you, but there is also your short sightness.
You see, you where aware of the consequences. Somebody with a mental illness is not always aware of the consequences. And if i would want to make a harsh statement i would say you just wanted attention. But there is nothing wrong with wanting attention. It is just a prime example of not being able to recognize what is troubling you and using the method you used as an in your mind good solution.

sooner or later we all wonder why we are alive and what is the purpose. Some (and i an one of them) believe the answer can be found with science , others find answers in religion. And some don't. Some of those people can live with it. Other struggle to life or just end it.

And to talk about darwinism, darwinism explains greed and opportunistic behaviour. Sacrificing yourself for another does not help yourself. But it can help your offspring.
As seen with octopusses and squids for example. Humans are afcourse also prime examples of altruistic behaviour but then again opportunistic behaviour and greed are also part of us.
Balance...


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By CloudFire on 11/22/2008 2:02:54 PM , Rating: 4
your reply has to be one of the stupidest i've ever read on this site. mental illness is those too weak to take care of themselves? are you some sort of elitist? you think people are too weak and develop a mental illness? what a JOKE. you're idiocy is beyond comprehension.

mental illnesses have a wide range of causes that are mostly out of people's control. Genetics could lead to illnesses such as Down's syndrome, or ADD/ADHD. People who have fought wars could develop post trauamtic stress syndrome because of the horrific experiences they've had. If you have never been in a war, and never developed PTSD, i don't think our soldiers are "weak" by ANY standards because they have the balls to fight for our country unlike you who sit on your computer and rant about Darwinism when you don't even have a clue about mental illnesses. Children in abusive homes can develop severe depression, conduct disorder, and authority defiance disorder. Bi-polar (manic depression) and schizophrenia could be caused by drug abuse, and have a small linkage to genetics. Tourette's syndrome causes are unknown. So if you think all these people are "weak" because they can't handle their illness, you are sadly mistaken.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By TechBiz2008 on 11/24/2008 8:38:56 AM , Rating: 2
I consider it a planned weakness. They're unfit to survive in the world so darwinism has to grasp at what few threads there are.

There's two types of people in the world, those strong enough to take care of themselves and those to weak to survive. Most of what you explained are to weak to survive.

I've been through boot camp and I was lucky enough to not be sent to Iraq. I knew people who went there and came back. They're perfectly fine though because they can deal with what they saw. You didn't have so many babies during WWII. My grandfathers both used to tell me stories about the war. Old men love to recount tails of obliterating the nazis. Some people just can't handle it.

Suicide is the cowards way out. Again as said before it's darwinism.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By just4U on 11/25/2008 4:56:47 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's a coward's way out as I think it takes some guts to go thru with that. We all know we must die someday but wrapping our thoughts around that concept and accually speeding it up by killing ourselves doesn't strike me as a act of cowardice.

I do however believe that it is selfish in most instances. As they don't concern themselves with how those they leave behind have to cope with it all.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By TechBiz2008 on 11/25/2008 8:47:48 AM , Rating: 2
I will give some of them credit for the way they do it. I can't imagine staying under water tilled I drowned in a tub or laying down on railroad tracks and not getting up before the train hit me. Takes discipline to do something like that (or the right amount of crazy).

Can't say that a better part of them are not cowards though. Suicide is the easy way out. People do it not because they can't, but because they don't want to. It's the way to dodge all of the problems you don't want to deal with. I'm sure there might be a shining few that have different reasons (I can understand suicide if you're terminally ill) but for the most part it's a dodge. Or maybe self pity/loathing. That's what I was under.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By typo101 on 11/22/2008 8:18:14 AM , Rating: 2
I have seriously mixed feelings about this concept.

On some levels it truly saddens me that the human race has become so proficient at surviving. Darwinism is all but non-existent. Just about all that we have left are suicides, stupidity (i.e. jackass imitators), and social/sexual rejects. Our only tool for natural de-selection is ourselves. We are no longer forced to adapt to our surroundings, and we have no true predators to avoid.

Which brings me to my mixed feelings. For Darwinism to continue we must become our own forces of natural selection, our own predators. Unfortunately, I feel that mentality can do much more harm than good. Co-operation (and healthy competition) is the foundation of civilization.

So where does that leave us? Science as artificial evolution? Please forgive any generalizations, I was trying to be brief.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By JS on 11/22/2008 1:48:53 PM , Rating: 3
And why do you believe that classic Darwinist evolution must continue for the human race?

Evolution is a excellent method of promoting life in general over extremely long periods of time. At the same time it is (from a human perspective) mind-numbingly slow, crude and cruel. The great thing about being human is that through our intellect we can break free from nature´s selection processes and shape our destinies (and that of the world) ourselves, for good and bad.

By your reasoning, why should we even have hospitals? Shouldn't we just let the sick die, and the healthy procreate? Of course not. Most people who tout Darwinism as a positive thing for society quickly change their tune when they or someone they love are about to be de-selected for survival.

"Yes my son, you have a severe genetic disease, and you will die before you reach puberty. But don't worry, it's all for the good of the rest of us."

I would say that to for the human race to survive we should focus more on cooperation, compassion and rationality, since we are our own greatest threat. When human extinction is available at the press of a button, relying on our reptile brain survival impulses just doesn't cut it.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By JS on 11/22/2008 2:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
I realize that most of my comments were actually not pointed directly towards your post but to the guy who started the thread.

But to answer your question, which is interesting: I definitely think that the genetic progress of the human race will not happen through any natural evolution. It is too slow and we are too many, the discernible differences would only appear in tens or hundreds of thousands of years I guess.

I think that various degrees of genetic engineering will be commonplace in the future. I also think that technology is how we primarily will cope with changing environments (environment in the sense of evolutionary surroundings and not necessarily "the environment").


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By Rev1 on 11/22/2008 9:54:51 AM , Rating: 4
It's people like you that are the cancer of our society. No compassion only self interest. If your conscience doesnt tell you what you just wrote was wrong, you should seriously seek some help. But im afraid treating sociopaths and narcissist such as yourself is suck a difficult task moslty all of the mental health experts gave up long ago.


RE: Suicide = Darwinism
By TechBiz2008 on 11/24/2008 8:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
You're right, I do have no compassion for this guy. I see nothing wrong with feeling this way. I laughed a little when I read that he did this.

Suicide is a cowards bet. We're all going to die someday but if you're going out like that it's good you wiped your seed from the earth.


least he put on a good show
By strafejumper on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
Just to inform you on your ignorance
By Nik00117 on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Just to inform you on your ignorance
By VashHT on 11/21/2008 12:15:47 PM , Rating: 5
What a waste of time, someone guy commits suicide and you're whining that someone might have spread some misinformation on your stupid bodybuilding site?


By afkrotch on 11/21/2008 1:35:19 PM , Rating: 3
WTF is this crap about the stupid ROID site?


RE: Just to inform you on your ignorance
By Spivonious on 11/21/2008 1:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
It's been proven again and again that steroids can seriously mess up your body and mind. Small testicles, losing hair, mood swings, and yes, suicidal tendencies. I think mentioning it in the article was completely in line.


By JonnyDough on 11/21/2008 3:46:34 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. This article above all should warn against the dangers of using roids. So many young guys trying to impress girls or fight off bullies start using roids to pack on muscle, without fully realizing that the dangers steroids pose are real and that there are a lot of them.


By Nyans on 11/21/2008 3:31:40 PM , Rating: 1
Wow, good to see your heart's in the right place man...:rollseyes:

...So this would be one of those letters Dailytech receives that clearly falls into the "stupid" category you mentioned.


Biggs is a cool man,
By on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By marsbound2024 on 11/21/2008 4:44:29 PM , Rating: 1
I hope you aren't the next Biggs, seriously. You have all the symptoms.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By dflynchimp on 11/21/2008 4:59:41 PM , Rating: 3
nah, he enjoys the neg mods too much to off himself.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By DeuceHalo on 11/21/2008 5:31:57 PM , Rating: 3
If you read any of PS3's other posts on here, you would hope that he is the next Biggs.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By maverick85wd on 11/21/2008 5:39:51 PM , Rating: 4
while PS3's comments are always attempts to start a flame war, hoping someone commits suicide is a bit radical, don't you think?

You do realize everyone that replies to his posts are doing what he wants them to do. Just ignore them and eventually he will go away. Not like it's the first time someone has made a s/n on a forum with intent to troll.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By on 11/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By Adonlude on 11/21/2008 7:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
I see that you are trying to be offensive and get downrated but at least use proper english. You aren't even entertaining to read when you dont make sense.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By on 11/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By mindless1 on 11/21/2008 8:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
You have better things you could be doing with your time.


RE: Biggs is a cool man,
By Totally on 11/21/2008 11:52:53 PM , Rating: 3
PS3, I don't like you.

I had this nice argument on how trolling and other negative behaviors are lonely, disturbed persons cries for help in a society where people tend to care only of themselves, family and giving extra credit by including friends. But you sir, show up as a Prime Defence-smashing, Hole-poking Exhibit A: the Tard.


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