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Heather Trujillo
Teen Heather Trujillo gets 6-years suspended sentence at youth offender program after helping beat sister to death

A teen and her boyfriend from Johnstown, Colorado claimed that they were acting out the video game Mortal Kombat when they kicked, karate chopped, and body slammed 7-year-old Zoe Garcia. The two teens that attacked Garcia were her half-sister Heather Trujillo and her 17-year-old boyfriend Lamar Roberts.

Garcia later died at the hospital as a result of the beating she received from her sister and Roberts. This week, a judge in Weld County Colorado handed down a suspended sentence to Trujillo for her part in the beating death.

Trujillo will be sent to a youth offender program where she will serve a 6-year sentence rather than spend time in prison. The charge originally leveled against Trujillo and Roberts was child abuse resulting in a death. Trujillo pleaded guilty in May and agreed to testify against Roberts as part of a plea bargain.

The mother of both Zoe Garcia and Heather Trujillo, Dana Trujillo, asked the judge to be lenient in the sentencing of Trujillo according to 9News. The mother said, “I already lost one daughter. She made a huge mistake and she paid a huge price. My family hasn't had a chance to grieve for Zoe because of all this. We haven't been together, haven't got any time to express how this has affected us."

The prosecuting attorney in Trujillo’s case asked the judge for the maximum sentence because of the brutality of the crime and because Trujillo could have stopped it. Robert’s first appearance in court will be at a preliminary hearing on July 10.

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It's a sad world we live in...
By amanojaku on 7/3/2008 12:07:48 PM , Rating: 5
When two 17 year olds need to "act out" Mortal Kombat.




RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Polynikes on 7/3/2008 12:13:21 PM , Rating: 5
Seriously... What kind of imbeciles would do such a thing? I say put 'em both away for as long as possible. A 7 year old? Jesus H.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By othercents on 7/3/2008 1:30:44 PM , Rating: 1
She was probably supposed to babysit while the parents were out and then she brought her boyfriend over. At 17 you should know better than to beat up a 7 year old. However it is possible that she was playing nice and her boyfriend was going at it full out. Because of the plea bargain I would expect her boyfriend to already have a record and the prosecution had a reason to him as intentionally harming her sister.

Saying that she could have stopped it at anytime is difficult to say. She might have tried.

Other


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 6:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
This is an example of why parents should leave kids home alone with kids.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 6:05:15 PM , Rating: 1
Oops! I meant should NOT. Edit button!!!


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Alexvrb on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 10:53:54 PM , Rating: 1
This isn't real life though, it's text. You can edit text...


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By typo101 on 7/4/2008 7:19:37 AM , Rating: 5
I think you mean "This isn't real life, this is the internet. You can pretend to be perfect on the internet."

And of course you can edit text... BEFORE you post. You know how they say think before you speak? Read before you post.


By JustTom on 7/4/2008 12:51:12 PM , Rating: 4
The problem with an edit button is you can post flame bait, then edit the post to seem reasonable. And all those people who responded to your bait look like complete idiots getting so worked up over a harmless post.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By xti on 7/7/2008 3:42:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yes, because heaven forbid you take advantage of the preview button to review your one sentence.


you are holding onto life too tightly. say it with me....'good bye cruel world!!'...

its monday...have some caffeine people!!


By chiadog on 7/5/2008 2:53:43 PM , Rating: 3
... Or just preview what's typed before actually posting it ;)


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By MrSmurf on 7/3/2008 10:04:39 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, heaven forbid parents for assuming their 17 year old daughter would be capable of babysitting her 7 year old sister without beating her to death. What has this world come to!?!?

**Please not the saturation of sarcasm in my writing this**


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 10:51:29 PM , Rating: 1
For parents to have a 17 year old in that frame of mind says something about the parents.

If only you'd had an edit button you could fix your typo and change "not" to "note."


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Pezman37 on 7/5/2008 9:01:35 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt any of this is true, this is some lawyers scapegoating, or the kids own concoction for beating someone up.


By Mojo the Monkey on 7/10/2008 6:34:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I doubt any of this is true, this is some lawyers scapegoating, or the kids own concoction for beating someone up.


Agreed. The real scenario was likely more sinister. One of them likely recalled the incident years back where the boy emulated professional wrestling when he killed his younger sibling... and then tried to cook up something similar.

They should both be given the harshest sentences available under juvenile law.


By maverick85wd on 7/7/2008 11:33:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
For parents to have a 17 year old in that frame of mind says something about the parents.


So at what age should someone start taking accountability for their own actions? I never knew my dad and it pissed me off sometimes when I was younger but I never beat my half brother that's 9 years younger than me to death. Because I knew better. Even with the worst of parents, by the time someone is old enough to legally drive a vehicle, get a job, or is about to enter the real world and start making somethin of themselves I would hope they know enough not to beat a 7-year old to death and then blame it on a video game.

You've GOT to be kidding me.


By afkrotch on 7/7/2008 4:29:17 AM , Rating: 2
Your 17 and have a girlfriend. Why beat the little kid? Shouldn't he be getting his girlfriend pregnant or something?


By sieistganzfett on 7/3/2008 4:42:10 PM , Rating: 1
exactly, anyone over 13 should know acting out mortal kombat or other violent game on a a person such as a 7 year old is not a good idea, let alone safe. either put the 2 teens (girl and her bf) in jail forever or in a nut house since they are clearly insane.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By slickr on 7/8/2008 1:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
totally agree. At 17 they should know better.
If she can call her boyfriend home alone, while she was "supposedly" babysitting her brother, she should know better than beating her brother to death.

I say put them both to prison for as many as 20 years, maybe that will teach them some things!


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Machinegear on 7/8/2008 1:52:47 PM , Rating: 3
As a tax payer, I don't want to pay for her life in a prison (effectively, making me the slave). We use to think murders were responsible for their own actions which warranted death since the murderer could never replace the life they took.

She understood how to perform the execute move. Too bad the "adults" don't.


By Fronzbot on 7/8/2008 2:04:26 PM , Rating: 2
But it was all Mortal Kombat's fault- they taught her to kill and brainwashed her into beating up her little step-sister! You can't give her the death penalty or even put her in jail for that! We should burn down the video game companies that deliberately produce these games for the sole purpose of killing other people. Besides, girls don't do anything bad and evil, I bet it was all the boyfriend's idea.

/sarcasm


By Mojo the Monkey on 7/10/2008 6:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
Have you looked into the cost to the taxpayer for each death sentence handed down? Its cheaper to incarcerate them permanently.

Just throw them into the general prison population and hopefully they get shanked. Then everyone's happy.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/3/2008 12:17:17 PM , Rating: 1
Both assailants were 17 years old. The baby was 7 years old.


By VaultDweller on 7/3/2008 12:31:14 PM , Rating: 3
Correction: Roberts (the boyfriend) was 17. Heather Trujillo was 16.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 12:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
Seventeen-year-old Heather Trujillo was given an 18-year suspended sentence in the death of 7-year-old Zoe Garcia.

the above is from the WGN report.

She was 17 at when sentence. I thought she was a year younger then boyfriend - so 16 when it happend. Really not important. I could not find anything to state her age at time of crime, but I did not look hard either.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By VaultDweller on 7/3/2008 12:44:44 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...

She's referred to as 16 in that article, though it doesn't clearly state if that was at the time of the murder or at the time of her plea.


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 12:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks, I knew I was not 100% nuts....


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By DASQ on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By spe1491 on 7/3/2008 1:28:15 PM , Rating: 5
tell that to the mother....


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 3:59:05 PM , Rating: 5
Well lets me fair... I've watched Mother's call their 40 year old kids their little baby and I would not correct them either.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By PWNettle on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
By FaceMaster on 7/3/2008 7:31:38 PM , Rating: 5
I told your Mum that but she wouldn't listen


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Justin Case on 7/4/2008 12:40:15 AM , Rating: 1
Wasn't it the mother who asked the judge to be lenient? I guess that says a lot about the people here saying "hang them"...


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By chiadog on 7/5/2008 3:00:12 PM , Rating: 2
No mother would want to send their kiddo to jail. Otherwise, she would be just as heartless as this kid.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/7/2008 7:39:45 AM , Rating: 5
That's the problem with society. We want to look the other way when it's our kid, but condemn someone elses. The standard works one way. I applaud any parent that has the spine to not defend their kid for acts they do in society. If the kid screwed up, its the kids problem. At some point the parents did their job, its up to the kid to make the right decisions afterwards or suffer the consequences.


By seekerofknowledge on 7/8/2008 8:34:43 AM , Rating: 4
I wouldn’t consider the mother’s actions “the problem with society”. The structure of our justice system allows for a non-biased judgment to be handed down to the accused. The mother’s plea for a lenient sentence is simply proof of the adage: Love is blind.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Dianoda on 7/3/2008 12:30:46 PM , Rating: 5
Wrong, it was two seventeen year-olds beating one seven year-old. Older sister and boyfriend vs. little sister, uh, ftw.

Also, I don't see why this needed to be reported at Dailytech. It really has nothing to do with Daily or tech, besides maybe the warped Mortal Kombat angle, but that's a bit of a stretch. This isn't the type of thing you would ever want to hear about, couldn't the DT gods just have spared us our innocence?


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By bysmitty on 7/3/2008 12:35:07 PM , Rating: 4
Agreed. It annoys me that this is even being covered on gaming websites let along tech websites.

...bysmitty


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 6:10:06 PM , Rating: 3
It NEEDS to be on gaming websites, as a warning to young gamers and parents alike that dehumanization through media can indeed lead to bad things. We must not forget it and we must be monitoring our kids states of minds. When kids grow up and become parents, then they may remember the story of this, and be paying attention.

As a general rule, you don't put a t.v. in your 5 year old's room and let them watch any movie off the shelf repeatedly just because you're too lazy to actually be a parent. It will have detrimental effects to the child's perception of the world and humanity. Period. Nobody can dispute this fact, our own militaries practice dehumanization so that soldiers are ready to kill other human beings.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By jonrem on 7/4/2008 7:26:40 AM , Rating: 4
Though I agree with you for the most part, blaming Mortal Kombat is a cop out and a B.S. one at that. It's a shame she won't spend time in an adult correctional facility where other inmates could act out Mortal Kombat on her.


By Josh7289 on 7/4/2008 4:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it's true that seeing graphic violence over and over as a kid will almost surely screw you up, but Mortal Kombat or other forms of media are not to blame for this incident.

If the parents let their kids be exposed to such media on a continuous basis, then they perhaps planted the seeds for the kids acting out the violence in real-life, but in the end, the only ones you can blame for what happened are the attackers themselves.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By BioHazardous on 7/3/2008 1:20:46 PM , Rating: 4
It's awesome that you took the time to read the article and comments about it just so you could complain about how the article shouldn't have been published on DT. The title of the article was not misleading, so if you felt it shouldn't have been on here and didn't want to read it, you didn't have to click on it.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By TSS on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 6:14:23 PM , Rating: 2
If you don't want emotions then I suggest you remove your medula oblongata and lock yourself in a closet until you perish. That way you'll feel only thirst, hunger, and loneliness for a short time.

Otherwise get used to the fact that there is ugliness in the world, and on a news website and online you're bound to run into something you don't like.

Personally, I like to see this sort of thing because that way I can use it as an example in a stimulating debating conversation, or maybe as supporting evidence in a speech I'm giving for school.

As others said, if you don't like the headline, don't click it. If you're too afraid to be able to handle learning about worldly on-goings then you should probably check yourself into a psychiatrist. There is help for those that live in fear.


By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 3:46:34 PM , Rating: 5
This affects all of us who are gamers. They used the "but the video game made me do it" defense. So this will be all over TV, they will come up with a hundred proposals on how to make games less violent or to keep violent games out of peoples' hands. They will go on and on about how we don't need games to be so violent. Video gaming in general and the people who play them will be portrayed badly. Yeah, I'd say this is relevant to the DT audience.


By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 3:42:06 PM , Rating: 2
Amazing how simple 3rd grade reading comprehension eludes many of us.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Cygni on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By DASQ on 7/3/2008 12:48:38 PM , Rating: 3
To be fair, me and my two brothers will still fighting epic hand to hand combat battles after episodes of Power Rangers when we were in the 12-16 year old range.

But none of us died either. Without specifics on the injuries, it's hard to say if it was really that brutal, or if it was just one odd hit that was the killing blow (like that teen that died in one punch to the jaw).


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By DASQ on 7/3/2008 12:49:13 PM , Rating: 1
were still*


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Geektek3 on 7/3/2008 5:27:26 PM , Rating: 2
From the Article:
"kicked, karate chopped, and body slammed 7-year-old Zoe Garcia"
Sounds rather brutal to me. If the two teens were doing it to each other, then not so brutal sounding. But 2 on 1 to a 7 year old, yeah...


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Justin Case on 7/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By JustTom on 7/4/2008 1:03:57 PM , Rating: 2
I am pretty sure an autopsy can figure both the cause of death and any injuries incurred before death. Frankly, how the murderers describe the assault is meaningless to me.

From the Greely Tribune:
Initially, according to court records, Trujillo said she was playing wrestling with her sister playing “Mortal Kombat” with her sister when she suddenly collapsed. Court affidavits: "during the time they were wrestling, she (Heather Trujillo) had tripped the victim, punched her in the stomach, karate chopped her lower arms, punched and pinched the victim's thighs, kicked her in the shins, slapped her stomach and buttocks and poked at the victim's chest."

The two attempted to revive the child by placing a raw egg in her throat, to ensure she wasn’t faking, and put her in the shower before calling 911, according to affidavits.

A 16-year-old witness told police a different story stating that Roberts said he had kicked Zoe Garcia multiple times while drunk, body slammed her and bragged that his hands were "lethal weapons," and were "registered in the books.”

This was no harmless horseplay.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Justin Case on 7/4/2008 2:07:37 PM , Rating: 1
The cause of death was listed simply as "injury to the head", which is perfectly consistent with an accident.

All the rest is either part of the teens' own account (and there's no mention of injury - it's perfeclty possible to punch, slap or pinch someone without even hurting them, let alone causing any damage), or simply media "embellishment".

The more evil they make someone look, the "gooder" the readers / viewers feel. That's the service they sell.

I think it says a lot about society in general that the dead girl's mother aked the judge to be lenient while a bunch of ignorant 13 year olds in web forums shout out that "they should be hanged".


By JustTom on 7/4/2008 2:24:12 PM , Rating: 3
You should really research more. There were extensive pre-mortality injuries inflicted upon the victim. These injuries were consistent with the witnesses testimony on what Roberts claimed to have done. From the autopsy report-

Autopsy records showed Zoe suffered a broken right wrist, bleeding in her brain, and more than 20 bruises and injuries to her neck and spine. The Weld County Coroner's Office said she died from blunt-force trauma, specifically the bleeding and swelling of the brain.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16772228/deta...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16772228/deta...


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By BBeltrami on 7/3/2008 1:08:31 PM , Rating: 4
The fact that a judge accepted "Acting out mortal kombat" as a defense is astounding. To have 16-17 year olds so detached from reality and the consequences of their acts that they beat her sibling to death? My brain wants to think they were violently mentally ill, or were on PCP or crack and were in some kind of raging drug-induced frenzy.

But no, Mom, we were just acting out Mortal Kombat! (Innocent Smiles) Oh don't worry about lil 'sis, the reset button is stuck or something. I'm sure she'll be fine in a few minutes. For those slow on the pickup, this is sociopathic behavior and should merit AT LEAST some sort of psychological evaluation. Yikes.

Or is this our future? Our children do not require boundaries and should not suffer the pseudo-slavery of the controlling adults across the planet. Instinct and impulse rule the day! Last week: Child sues parents and overturns punishment. This Week: Teen mercilessly murders sister, escapes serious consequences.

Brave New World, indeed.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By TheDoc9 on 7/3/2008 3:11:38 PM , Rating: 4
At that age the mortal kombat line was probably just an excuse, especially since the game is as old as they are. The beating might have something to do with the fact that the little girl was a half sister but there are a number of details left out of the story, there's no way to know.


By JonnyDough on 7/3/2008 6:17:15 PM , Rating: 2
It is possible that her lawyer told her to say that.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By SavagePotato on 7/3/2008 1:54:22 PM , Rating: 5
When my parents were 17 they were acting out mortal child raising, and, working like a slave so your family doesn't starve II: the revenge.


By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 3:51:50 PM , Rating: 2
Ha Ha! Best thing I've read all day!


By Alias1431 on 7/3/2008 1:57:55 PM , Rating: 1
I would rather play doctor.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By osalcido on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
By Geektek3 on 7/3/2008 5:32:47 PM , Rating: 1
Really? You'd rather they beat the crap out of the 7 year old than go screw each other?

On top of that, you label the 7 y/o as one of the "dodos". Seriously? No one is saying she was a willing participant here...


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Coca Cola on 7/3/2008 2:59:26 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, too bad these idiots didn't act out the FRIENDSHIP!! part of the game instead of Fatality.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By sxr7171 on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/7/2008 7:42:22 AM , Rating: 1
You missed it. There was a VG Flash clip some years back that had Friendship as a Fatality. It was a joke, but highly amusing.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By jamdunc on 7/10/2008 5:58:28 PM , Rating: 2
It wasn't a joke, it was actually a feature they added into later Mortal Kombat games. I remember Sub-Zero did something with a snowman, and someone went skipping. There were others too but I can't remember them.


RE: It's a sad world we live in...
By Samus on 7/4/2008 12:47:00 AM , Rating: 2
Mortal Kombat? Didn't that game come out when these kids were infants?


guilt
By Screwballl on 7/3/2008 11:54:52 AM , Rating: 3
Ithink her guilt will be more of a factor in rehabilitation than anything else. She will be scarred for life but at least this way out of prison she may have a chance at a semi normal life.... which is better then what the hacker kids got...




RE: guilt
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 7/3/2008 12:09:39 PM , Rating: 3
Then if she goes free, the BF should go free as well IMHO...

But seeing as how she's testifying against him, I have my doubts...


RE: guilt
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/3/2008 12:15:58 PM , Rating: 5
Young males are almost always treated more harshly by the U.S. criminal justice system than young females. Take the issue of consensual underage sex. Typically the boy will get charged with statutory rape, get sent to jail/corrections facilities even if he's the same age as the girl or slightly younger. Typically the girl serves no time.

There are examples to the contrary, but typically they require a larger age difference.

I suppose this sexism against young males its no worse than the underlying sexism most women experience at the job, still, though.


RE: guilt
By FITCamaro on 7/3/2008 12:38:36 PM , Rating: 3
And it pisses me off. But you never seen the women's rights groups or women's equality groups mentioning that one.

Even cases with older women having sex with teen boys usually result in the women getting a far lighter sentence than the reverse situation. Granted I doubt you'll ever see a 16 year old boy complaining about getting to bang his hot 25 year old teacher.


RE: guilt
By NullSubroutine on 7/3/2008 12:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
Actually there was a higher correlation between attractive females vs less attractive females for receiving lighter sentences.


RE: guilt
By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 4:10:53 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how society almost applauds the situation where the teen boy gets laid by a hottie and shows dismay when the woman in question is not so hot.

I can bet right now that Bill Clinton would not have been in so much trouble if he were caught with someone hot.


RE: guilt
By rcc on 7/3/2008 4:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
lol, all that twit had to do was say yup, we had sexual relations, now butt out, it's between me and my spouse.

People would have ooed and ahhhhed, and got on with life.


RE: guilt
By mikefarinha on 7/3/2008 6:16:39 PM , Rating: 3
But because he is who he is, he would never admit to it. And it is because he is who he is that he's got such issues in the first place.


RE: guilt
By GeorgeOu on 7/6/2008 3:28:45 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, I'm still wondering where these older hot ladies were when I was in high school damit!


RE: guilt
By jimbojimbo on 7/3/2008 5:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
As they say... Nice.


RE: guilt
By Icelight on 7/3/2008 1:26:29 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Even cases with older women having sex with teen boys usually result in the women getting a far lighter sentence than the reverse situation.


But of course. In that event you described the woman is seen as a "poor, troubled individual" with perhaps marital problems (the husband being at fault, for reasons that should be obvious!) that have extended into producing erroneous sexual behaviour.

In the reverse case, the man is a pedophile, a pig, scum of the earth and downright disgusting, deserving to be castrated, hung and then tossed in to a ditch.


RE: guilt
By RamarC on 7/3/2008 2:17:43 PM , Rating: 3
I'm surprised no one's mentioned "Lionel Tate." The 12 year old tried and convicted for 1st degree murder after doing WWE wrestling moves on a 6 year old. His sentence was later overturned after serving 3 years but he had to plea to 2nd degree murder with 10 years probation.


RE: guilt
By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 4:13:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but he was black and male. The worst scum on the planet. Being male is bad enough, but black and male?


RE: guilt
By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 4:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously. This is turning out like the guy did everything and she was just watching.


RE: guilt
By JustTom on 7/4/2008 1:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Typically the boy will get charged with statutory rape, get sent to jail/corrections facilities even if he's the same age as the girl or slightly younger. Typically the girl serves no time.


I am tired of reading this. Where exactly are these young boys going to jail? Almost every state has "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions for cases of underage sex when both partners are close in age.


RE: guilt
By spuddyt on 7/3/2008 3:11:52 PM , Rating: 2
and what if that girl is a psychopath? i mean a clinical psychopath, feeling little to no emotion and perfectly capable of killing without even a shred of guilt?


RE: guilt
By Ringold on 7/3/2008 5:09:38 PM , Rating: 5
Then execute her.

Yeah, the politically correct answer would be a lifetime of expensive government-funded counseling or whatever, but I'm cheap.


RE: guilt
By Justin Case on 7/4/2008 12:53:13 AM , Rating: 1
What if they were just playing normally and the younger sister just happened to fall down some stairs or bang her head against the edge of a table?

The only people who actually saw what happened were the younger sister (dead) and the two teens. I doubt they'd describe what they did as "horrible beating" (even if it was). In fact, if they had done it deliberately, I bet they would have come up with a better excuse ("she fell", "housebreakers attacked us", whatever).

The fact that they admitted they had been play-fighting, coupled with the fact that the girl's mother asked the judge to be lenient, suggests that this was mainly an accident, resulting from some stupid (but not uncommon) play.

But after it's exploited by the media some prosecutor is obviously going to want to get a big conviction to advance his career, so they're doing what everyone does in that situation: blame it all on the nearest (poor) black guy. S.O.P.


RE: guilt
By JustTom on 7/4/2008 1:22:52 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
A 16-year-old witness told police a different story stating that Roberts said he had kicked Zoe Garcia multiple times while drunk, body slammed her and bragged that his hands were "lethal weapons," and were "registered in the books.”


The 'poor black guy' bragged about killing the child and boasted that his hands were lethal weapons. Pity pary cancelled.


RE: guilt
By Justin Case on 7/4/2008 2:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
Because "witnesses" never lie, right? Do you really think that someone on trial for murder would brag about it to someone else? What planet do you live on?


RE: guilt
By JustTom on 7/4/2008 2:29:35 PM , Rating: 2
Planet Earth. Yes criminals brag all the time, it is how an awful lot of them get caught. And the fact is the bragging is consistent with the injuries that the victim suffered. So we have a witness to statements by the alleged that coincide with the injuries.

If you don't believe criminals boast I think you need to re-examine humanity.


Blame the video game....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 12:12:19 PM , Rating: 4
1) Not the pot (I remember pot being involved the first time I read this story).
2) Not the loser boy friend who would even act out a round house kick on a 7 year old kid when he was 17.
3) Not the lack of responsibility that seems to be tolerated by society today. When I grew up, if I were to act out anything from a video game (violence wise) whether some one was hurt or not - If my parents saw it...I'd be running for the police myself for protection. Once the police saw my parent calm down, I would be released to them for 3 or 4 weeks of punishment. Today, they'd arrest my parents. You learned fast your actions are your responsibility and you better be willing to accept the outcome of your action.
4) Not the fact they kept hitting her after she was unconsciouses....
5) Not the fact they did nothing to help her till she stop breathing.

I feel sorry for the family to have to go through this... However, I can not say I'm surprised something like this happens in todays world.
Sorry if I seem mean, just this was an all round stupid thing to happen.




RE: Blame the video game....
By DarkElfa on 7/3/2008 12:29:31 PM , Rating: 4
"...in today's world"

Give me a break. The Romans would have set up seats and cheered them on.


RE: Blame the video game....
By nosfe on 7/3/2008 12:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
yes, but they were civilized, they only watched barbarians


RE: Blame the video game....
By stryfe on 7/3/2008 3:14:32 PM , Rating: 3
Murdering a 7 year old sounds pretty barbaric to me


RE: Blame the video game....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: Blame the video game....
By tehbiz on 7/3/2008 1:01:41 PM , Rating: 5
the romans thought they lived in a civilized world as well. perception is a bitch huh.


RE: Blame the video game....
By slacker57 on 7/3/2008 2:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
Nobody ever taught you that we study history to learn from it and not repeat its mistakes?

It's progression, not perception, man.

That the Romans "sold seats" is not a justification for this act being appalling in "our time."

But how appalling our time is in general is not a subject worth spending a lot of time on in a tech forum.


RE: Blame the video game....
By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 4:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
Today's world is the same thing only more disguised. People have a need to see others suffer for entertainment. It is sad, but undeniable.

Take a look at modern reality television. Most of those are so sadistic that they would be considered unethical if they were to be used as psychological experiments. However, it's alright to watch it on television. So now we just sit around on the couch and basically watch people being psychologically and sometimes even physically tortured. We love to watch those staged fighting shows like WWF and UFC. We watch boxing and hockey and cheer for more violence in the guise of a sport. People sometimes die in those.

Human nature is a real conundrum.


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 4:21:55 PM , Rating: 2
I agree the violence is out there and alway will be... Your WWF and UFC and other TV people are all paid people. Even the reality show people get something. Does it make it right? No.
However, you would think that a person of 16 or 17 years of age would know hitting and kicking a 7 year old kid is going to do major damage. It's a story I find hard to believe actually happened.


RE: Blame the video game....
By MamiyaOtaru on 7/4/2008 1:02:13 PM , Rating: 2
UFC staged? I should report you to Sherdog


RE: Blame the video game....
By BBeltrami on 7/3/2008 1:20:46 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, we're so far removed from that barbaric behaviour of Roman times. It's a good thing progress has brought us so far!

We have Hollywood to give us wonderful contributions like Saw and Hostel, and M Night Shamylan, and Michael Jackson and Lindsay Lohan. We have Washington to give us Bush and Pelosi, and Gore, and Obama and McCain. We've got Gladiator Sports to bring us Heroes like OJ Simpson, Mark McGuire, Pacman Jones and Mike Tyson. And there are over 38 million Americans in our prison system.

Yep, we're so advanced.


RE: Blame the video game....
By BBeltrami on 7/3/2008 1:22:59 PM , Rating: 2
Oops, that should read 3.8 million. Sorry about that.


RE: Blame the video game....
By sxr7171 on 7/3/2008 4:01:20 PM , Rating: 2
Oh. You already made my point.


RE: Blame the video game....
By Alkapwn on 7/3/2008 12:39:25 PM , Rating: 2
I get sick of the "Blame the video game" point of view. What about the parenting? What about instilling morals and common sense into the children today?

Blaming a video game for someone's violent acts is like blaming a spoon for someone's obesity. Your argument doesn't hold water.


By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 12:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
You need to re-read what I said. You just 100% agreed with my point then said, your argument doesn't hold water.

I pointed out all the thing people don't blame....but instead blame the video game.


Hmm...
By bunnyfubbles on 7/3/2008 12:01:58 PM , Rating: 5
If the sister made it to the hospital before dying, then they didn't pull of the fatality correctly

yeah, I'm going to hell




RE: Hmm...
By bldckstark on 7/3/2008 12:39:50 PM , Rating: 2
You will have much company!

I found your statement to be nauseatingly sickening. And funny.


RE: Hmm...
By cparka23 on 7/3/2008 2:01:25 PM , Rating: 2
You get a +1 for ignoring the little voice in your head that asks, "Should I...?"


RE: Hmm...
By Spivonious on 7/3/2008 2:56:41 PM , Rating: 3
up-up-down-down-left-right-left-A

yes this is completely from memory. I'll have to dig out the Genesis to see if I'm right.


RE: Hmm...
By stepone on 7/3/2008 3:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, low punch, high punch = :-(

It never seemed to work on the 1st attempt but perseverance usually resulted in either your opponents spine being removed or being turned into a panda.

Perhaps they mixed the 2 moves up?


RE: Hmm...
By 7Enigma on 7/3/2008 4:03:57 PM , Rating: 2
Forward, down, forward, high punch. Kano, off with your head!


ummm... under age?!?!?!
By XZerg on 7/3/2008 12:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
Damnit what the heck is up with post the names and picture of the kids?!?! They are underage and their identity should be kept confidential. Correct? Or USA does not believe in that stuff like its northern neighbour - Canada?

Geez.




RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By Pythias on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By 325hhee on 7/3/2008 1:26:45 PM , Rating: 3
I don't agree with that policy, we should be able to identify any criminals, no matter the age. A crime is a crime, and those two committed man slaughter, or murder, depending on how they're being charged.

You might as well say we should hide the identities of people that were convicted and released from sex crimes, because they served their time in jail and deserve anominity.

I'm all for posting the crap out of those criminals and have their pictures all over the place to warn parents and the community. And they should enforced being marked by having a bright light in the front of their homes, highlighting they committed a sex crime. Pedophilia, rape, whatever, a sex crime is a sex crime, they need to be exposed.

If you commit a crime, you should be marked for everyone to know, age is just semantics, look at those bloods and crypts kids killing at 13 yrs old, and you're telling me their identities should be shielded? F no to that. Expose them. They may be 13, but they know what they're doing.

This crime isn't any different, it still resulted in a death.


RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By meatycheesyboy on 7/3/2008 4:12:03 PM , Rating: 3
"You might as well say we should hide the identities of people that were convicted and released from sex crimes, because they served their time in jail and deserve anominity."

Although I'm sure I'm in the minority in saying this, sex offender should have the same anonimity as any other criminal in my opinion. If a drug dealer's criminal record is public at the local court house but not actively given to all his neighbors then the same should apply to a sex offenders. No more, no less.

I'm under the opinion that the notification rules that apply to sex offenders basically amount to lifetime imprisonment which makes the punishment for their crime inequitable compared to that of other crimes.

As I said, I'm aware most people don't agree with me, it is just my opinion.


RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By Spivonious on 7/4/2008 1:11:14 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree with you. There was a story in the local paper a few weeks ago about how residents found out that three people in their neighborhood were sex offenders who had served their time and were out trying to get their life back in order. The public rose up and forced them out. Why release them from jail at all?


RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By JonnyBlaze on 7/8/2008 5:19:01 PM , Rating: 1
Personally I wish there was a drug dealer registry as well.


RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By SavagePotato on 7/3/2008 1:49:15 PM , Rating: 2
I am from Canada and the young offender justice system here is pure crap. You can get away with murder and everything else in the book.

Not to mention policies on more lenient sentencing for minority offenders.

Canadian justice is a joke, the stiffest penalty there is is the old 25 to life. Give us some good old consecutive sentencing 300 year American style prison terms that mean you ain't ever getting out unless you're the f-ing highlander.


RE: ummm... under age?!?!?!
By Spivonious on 7/3/2008 2:57:49 PM , Rating: 3
Normally yes, but I think they're being tried as adults.


Hang em both
By HrilL on 7/3/2008 1:00:29 PM , Rating: 2
Is that really the best thing they could come up with? I mean get real. No 17 year old that is in their right mind would act out a video game in such a way. I could see this if they were 9 or 10 and their game got a little out of hand. But I mean 2 almost adults verse a 7 year old girl. They knew what they were doing completely and just the fact that they would even harm a family member in such a way.




RE: Hang em both
By BMFPitt on 7/3/2008 1:05:26 PM , Rating: 3
Death penalty is even better for the young, because they'd spend so much more time in jail as a resource drain.

I say give them a FATALITY!


RE: Hang em both
By jimbojimbo on 7/3/2008 5:33:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. This story only teaches us all one thing. If you're 17 you can beat your little sister to death and serve no time. And she's not even rich!


RE: Hang em both
By Justin Case on 7/3/2008 8:53:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
If you're 17 you can beat your little sister to death and serve no time.


Yes, but only if you have a black boyfriend and blame it all on him.


RE: Hang em both
By Justin Case on 7/4/2008 12:32:20 AM , Rating: 3
Ignoring for a moment how stupid it would be to apply the death penalty to what is basically involuntary manslaughter, there's still the matter of actually doing the maths.

Death penalty cases cost nearly half a million more to the state than non-death penalty cases. That covers several life sentences.


Fair is fair
By yzzuf on 7/3/2008 2:40:47 PM , Rating: 3
Someone should act out "capital punishment" on them




RE: Fair is fair
By cubeless on 7/3/2008 3:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
this whole thing is bs... what probably really happened? stoned boyfriend was poking big sis while mom was away and big sis was supposed to be babysitting... little sis comes and finds them and is going to tell... boyfriend is a dumbass, doesn't want to go to jail again, and starts pummeling little sis once it escalates... story gets made up for stupid adults...

loose 'em both from the gene pool...


RE: Fair is fair
By topcat903 on 7/3/2008 4:40:00 PM , Rating: 2
This would make a more plausible story (and most likely true). Although it would be a more interesting read, if that was truly what happened, we wouldn't have read it on DT (or anywhere for that matter).


RE: Fair is fair
By CyborgTMT on 7/3/2008 5:23:45 PM , Rating: 3
Just sentence both of them to one week in jail. Put them both in a general population area and let everyone in the jail know what their crime was. The problem will work itself out by Wednesday...


Not video game's fault
By BansheeX on 7/3/2008 12:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
It could have just as easily been imitated from a movie or wrestling match, so I hope the Jack Thompsons of the world will stfu. I'm sure she feels terrible, imagine growing up after this knowing that you killed your sister.




RE: Not video game's fault
By lifeblood on 7/3/2008 1:07:04 PM , Rating: 5
Back in the 70's when I was growing up, long before video games, I would go see martial arts movies with my friends. After the movie all of us would reenact the scenes we saw in the movie, play kicking and chopping at each other. It was in fun and nobody got hurt. Nowadays, kids reenact scenes from games. Again, the vast majority of the time it's in fun and nobody gets hurt. Unfortunately their are always individuals out there who will go over the line. Their always have been. Criminals have been around since biblical times, they didn't just pop up recently. The problem is not the games or movies, it the people who commit the crime.


RE: Not video game's fault
By kmmatney on 7/3/2008 5:10:20 PM , Rating: 2
Enter the Dragon


By bupkus on 7/3/2008 12:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
The beating of a 7 year old to death just boggles my mind.
I wonder what kind of background these two kids had and if the boyfriend had any kind of history of violence or other warning signs. Was the victim's sister involved in the beating and how much so? Was her boyfriend a big guy? Did he ever voice anger with the victim or threaten either the victim or her sister? Was he abused?
Blaming the game is absurd. The history of behaviors would be much more relevant.




By jbartabas on 7/3/2008 12:26:38 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Sounds to me like there was more than a mimicking a video game going on here ... We're talking about 17 year-old teenagers after all, not very young kids ... The fact that the 7 year old was a "half" sister may be not totally foreign to the beating. <total speculation based on total absence of facts> Deep family crisis ignored for years is probably more the cause than two teenagers not realizing the difference between reality and fiction </>


By VaultDweller on 7/3/2008 12:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
http://pysih.com/2007/12/20/heather-trujillo-and-l...

That article (or blog, or whatever) is mostly editorial pandering, but it does have some (unverified) information of interest. Apparently it was what Opera might call a dysfunctional household. Social Services had been contacted in the past, but had not followed up.


By cparka23 on 7/3/2008 2:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
Don't these kids know GTA IV is out? They should be playing THAT rather than playing real-life Mortal Kombat.

To address your thought.. Yeah, you can bet the attorney played the MK angle for all he could. He probably saw it work 10 years ago and thought it was the ultimate defense.

Jeez, these kids are 17. How much MK could they have played when the game was in it's heyday? Nowhere near as much as the millions of kids who were 17 when the game first came out, that's for sure.


The Video Game Made Me Do It
By GaryJohnson on 7/3/2008 12:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
Sure it did.




RE: The Video Game Made Me Do It
By Parhel on 7/3/2008 12:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
I don't buy it either. I'll bet they made it up afterwards. If they said they were playing WWF or something, it would seem more believable. Does anyone even still play Mortal Kombat?


By meatycheesyboy on 7/3/2008 2:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
I immediately thought the same thing too but at 17 they aren't old enough to remember the outrage MK caused in it's hayday so I'm not sure.


Darwin
By foxtrot9 on 7/3/2008 12:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
It's times like this I wish the principles of Darwin still held true for the human race...when will we grow up and stop being such animals




RE: Darwin
By elpresidente2075 on 7/3/2008 1:12:10 PM , Rating: 4
Well, if you're gonna think about it that way, the principles held very true. The young girl was unable to survive the environment in which she existed. Darwinism turns everyone into animals, and those who are strong/violent/ruthless enough to get by when everyone else dies are the ones who (according to Darwinism) should survive.

Perhaps we should be glad that (on a macro scale) the Darwinistic principles don't apply to our human world to the same extent as it is assumed it used to , as it would be a much different place otherwise.


Great Just what some people need...
By tdktank59 on 7/3/2008 5:48:14 PM , Rating: 2
So we have people complaining saying video games promote violence and then we have 2 f****** teens saying that the video game influenced them in doing the crime.

Unlike those 2 teens... I play video games to vent. and make myself not bored because i know its not real and that nothing will happen when i kill the evil space alien... (unless we somehow made games that kill them explaining why theres no one on mars...)




By bupkus on 7/3/2008 7:03:24 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I've got to fess up on this one. Back when I was playing UT2004 several hours a day, if I was walking through a mall and someone seedy walked past me or whatever, I'd imagine a scenario whereby I would retrieve my shock rifle and detonate a plasma bubble and then too late realize if I could it would probably blow me up, too.
Is that sick? I don't think so, not so long as I don't have a shock rifle.
Hmmm... must Google a catalog for shock rifles with ignitable plasma bubbles.


OLD NEWS??
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/3/2008 7:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't this from last year???

I started talking about this on another forum and people wanted to kill me for opening a thread about something that happened a year ago :(




RE: OLD NEWS??
By bupkus on 7/3/2008 7:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
I'm afraid 100 years from now people will have that same response.


Good and evil
By Justin Case on 7/3/2008 8:34:34 PM , Rating: 1
News these days are "spun" to make people look as evil as possible, because the more "evil" you label someone else as, the more "good" you feel, even if you've never done anything kind or productive in your life. The viewers love that feeling, and the networks deliver.

Unless they popped off her head with an uppercut, I suspect this particular "fatality" was far less a "beating" and far more an accident. Sure, maybe the girl had a couple of bruises from play-fighting, but I bet what killed her was something like falling back and hitting her head on a table, fracturing a rib and puncturing a lung, or something similar. Which sadly happens to thousands of kids every year all over the world.

The opportunity to describe it as a "brutal beating" (do you think that's how the only actual witnesses described it?), blame a black + hispanic couple AND blame computer games was just too good for our self-righteous media to let pass (the only thing missing was a gay terrorist). And, as usual, people just drink it all up, because it makes them feel oh so much "gooder" than those evil savages...




RE: Good and evil
By William Gaatjes on 7/4/2008 9:28:03 AM , Rating: 2
With what i found on ( i admit) non comfirmed information.

* A single mother with 4 children.
* A working mother. She has to work as then the politicians can say that they have cut back the amount of unemployed people.

* Low education for the mother and the children.
* The girl that died named Zoe, seemed to have a outgoing personality. And therefore an ideal victim.

* If it is true that lamar roberts continued to beat her even when the 7y old girl asked to stop, I find that the guy diserves to be locked away as long as necesarry with psychiatric help. Especially as it is not the first time this takes place.

Cause i feel lamar roberts is not emphatic. And the same goes for the girl. Young children can nag but there can never be an excuse to treat children like this. If a child cries and you do not feel awfull , there is something wrong with you.

* with heather i feel the same as with lamar.
They found eachother indeed.

These children are truly the result of parents who do not take care of their children and of a society where the people do not take care of each other.

O, and one more thing. We are all people and it so happens that some are just born with a evil nature(or emotionally disturbed, cause that is what it comes down too) and some are born with a more emphatic nature, no matter there physical appearance. Deal with it.

Furthermore i find it insane to blame videogames.
I blame the society. The situation where you grow up in decides for a large part how you think. Couple that with the chance of genetics and you know what i mean.


RE: Good and evil
By A5un on 7/7/2008 2:03:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I bet what killed her was something like falling back and hitting her head on a table, fracturing a rib and puncturing a lung, or something similar. Which sadly happens to thousands of kids every year all over the world.


But prolly not by their sisters...


Blame video games = Get out of jail free?
By an0dize on 7/7/2008 1:13:00 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly this is just rediculous. I play violent video games all the time, and yet I somehow understand that "kicking, karate chopping, and bodyslamming" a 7 year old to death is wrong. They should add 70 years to their sentences for trying to get off with a lame excuse.




By snownpaint on 7/7/2008 4:07:00 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like a cop-out, blame it on the video games.. Get the media attention which can draw a miss-trial, or reduced sentence, especially with the age of the defendants.

I think it is disgusting.. I hope they rot in jail, and Feel the errors of their ways. I hope the boyfriend will get a couple "finish-him"s while in there. Street justice.

She is cute and will find a girlfriend to protect her in no time. If not, sunken cheekbones and a missing k9 will help the learning curve, which is needed with this idiot.


Yeah but the Hacker...
By donjuancarlos on 7/3/2008 11:55:22 AM , Rating: 2
Is not going to get 38 years.




Duck! Dodge! Hide!
By Sulphademus on 7/3/2008 12:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
Here comes Jack Thompson to tell us that the video game forced these impressionable young minds into a bit of the old ultra-violence.




I don't believe in heaven...
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/3/2008 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
But I do believe in hell. It's our society's nickname.

Not only did the 7yo kid die, she died a horrible dead, suffering and in a lot of pain... And by the hand of her own sister.

BTW, where were the parents when those two started beating up the little girl??
Oh, yes, lemme think... I think I know... They were working and the 17yo sister was left in charge of taking care of her little sister so that nothing wrong would happen to her.

Seems like a gory and bad taste chapter for the old comedy "family ties" more than reality.




Altitude
By stburke on 7/3/2008 1:37:25 PM , Rating: 2
After living in Denver for 20 years my bunk theory is that people who live in Colorado suffer from a constant state of hypoxia that leads them to make irrational and violent decisions. See Columbine, and numerous other random shootings.




I imagine
By drunkenmastermind on 7/3/2008 7:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
That the little girl was crying hard during this whole event, and they would have just carried on, sadistic fuckers!!! Fuck juvi givem a lethal injection.




Jack Thompson is like....
By BruceLeet on 7/3/2008 10:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
I win the arguement.

Flawless Victory!




So...
By daar on 7/4/2008 8:07:37 AM , Rating: 2
...were they supposed to be Sonya and Jax???




FATALITY
By therealnickdanger on 7/4/2008 10:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
FLAWLESS VICTORY*

*except for the whole jail thing




By Lerianis on 7/4/2008 3:03:25 PM , Rating: 2
This is a case that hits my "WTF?" meter pretty darn hard, and makes me think that this girl needs a lot of time in an adult prison.
As another poster pointed out, the girl had to be crying and begging to be let go in this case..... what kind of MONSTER could ignore that?
I think, if they are going to let this girl go this easily, that they should require her to have mental health counseling and a full psychological evaluation before they let her out of juvie.




They deserve death sentence
By Nyu on 7/4/2008 9:50:32 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they get death sentence at the end




Nature....
By makots on 7/6/2008 12:39:20 AM , Rating: 2
I bet you old Mother Nature sits back and says "Damn I should have never let those gorillas and chimps evolve into this useless commodity we call today.... human beings"




More info on the subject
By mattclary on 7/7/2008 10:19:59 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like things were pretty bad in that house for a while and this was a culmination, not a random accident. Not only should this little b*tch go to jail, so should the boyfriend and the parents. The 7 year old apparently would go to the neighbors in search of food.

http://pysih.com/2007/12/20/heather-trujillo-and-l...




What on earth?
By piroroadkill on 7/7/2008 11:02:22 AM , Rating: 2
What the hell is this? You don't beat up a little kid! To the gallows, I say




It was the video game's fault....
By Talon75 on 7/7/2008 12:24:57 PM , Rating: 2
See children, violent video games are bad, mkay? Drugs are also bad children, they make you do stupid stuff like act out those violent video games, mkay?

Oh of my favorite stand-up lines ever was "KILL EVERYONE NOW!! OMG, is that you satan? No, It's a me, a Mario..."




By Das Capitolin on 7/7/2008 3:23:36 PM , Rating: 2
This sure sounds like there's a lot more to the story than we received... which is probably why the boyfriend is being targeted. In reality, it doesn't even matter how it was caused, because the end result is the same. Senseless violence claims yet another life.

My vote goes towards sending them both to Iraq so they can continue on the path they've chosen.




By phxfreddy on 7/8/2008 1:04:46 AM , Rating: 2
I had an friend of Italian extraction when I was in High School. My waspy mother always told me that if I killed someone she would testify in court against me.

Thus I was jealous when my italian friends mother would lie for him to keep him out of trouble with the cops. Only later did I find out I had the better of the 2 deals.

Nick later went off the San Francisco and in his normal feelings of invincibility decided to shoot up meth and share the needle. You can guess what happened next....he got AIDS and is now an evolutionary dead end.

I would have liked to have had a warm loving latin mother but not one that would have lied for me. Making excuses like this lady has done for her daughter is reprehensible and we all pay the price for these type of parenting decisions.




I fear for the future
By Regs on 7/8/2008 8:53:13 AM , Rating: 2
Remember how smoking used to be common place? Ok, so your life span gets decreased by 5-10 years, stuck on an air tank with no lung capacity for the rest of your days, or you die horribly from cancer. Point being that people 20 years ago did not care so much about their longevity as they do now. Why? Because the reality is we can die at any given moment here on this tiny piss ant planet.

Tobacco was a industry that fell victim to changing trends. "Smoking is nasty, smoking smells, smoking kills!".

How long will it take Video Games to become victim of the same trends? It's all ready starting to happen right before your eyes. Stores will be fined for selling mature game material to under age kids, GTA on the cover of every news paper when someone gets their car stolen, and the all knowing American Psychological Association's agree that VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES CAN INCREASE AGGRESSION !!!! Fathers will soon look bad for letting their kids play games, period (even if its Zelda). Kids now have to study godless hours a week all ready for school, to no wonder why they never have time to "go out and play". On second thought, are kids even allowed out of school or the house anymore or do they have to be ankle braced to their parents?

Our society is becoming more convoluted into thinking we can make our own human nature improve by empowering others to enforce regulations upon us in which we really do not want.

Now let me go back to sleep. Wake me up when prohibition comes back.




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