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"I asked for a car, I got a computer. How's that for being born under a bad sign?"
Bueller...Bueller...Bueller...

Graduation time is near for most students at Tesoro High School in Orange County California. However, two students are facing the prospect of beginning a prison term rather than walking across the stage to receive their diplomas. One of the teens faces the possibility of 38 years in prison.

The two teens, Omar Khan and Tanvir Singh, have been charged with multiple felony counts. Khan’s chargers are by far the most severe with a total of 69 felony counts pending against him including identity theft, second degree burglary, computer access and fraud, removing and secreting a public record and altering and falsifying a public record.

The charges stem from Khan’s attempt to hack into his teachers computer using a stolen password to change his low grades to A’s and B’s. Khan is also alleged to have tried to install spyware to allow him access to the schools secure network remotely. In addition to attempting to change his own grades, Khan is also accused of trying to change the grades of 12 other students.

Khan was found out when he requested a school transcript in order to appeal a denial of admission to the University of California for the coming fall semester. An investigation was started after school administrators noticed discrepancies in Khan’s grades. That investigation resulted in the officials finding Khan had original tests, answers and copies of his altered grades.

The second teen, Singh, faces four counts including conspiracy, burglary, computer fraud and altering a public record after an alleged attempt to break into a class room and steal test answers before a test.

Merlin Stapleton, attorney for Singh said, “This is certainly not the first time we've heard of a kid cheating. Sometimes they do these types of things simply to see if they can. The only thing that makes this case different is the technology used.”

The 38-year sentence is the maximum Khan could face and both teens face arraignment on July 8.



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Oh boy...
By sxr7171 on 6/20/2008 3:24:14 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah whatever, just put a mark on their permanent record and kick them out of school. Maybe make them pick up garbage on the side of a highway or 3 for a few months. Put murders and rapists in jail.




RE: Oh boy...
By DoeBoy on 6/20/2008 3:30:46 PM , Rating: 5
Welcome to Club USA where we like to throw everybody in jail no matter how small the crime is!


RE: Oh boy...
By eye smite on 6/20/2008 3:35:44 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, people who write bad checks serve longer sentences in this country than pedophiles do. lol


RE: Oh boy...
By trajan on 6/20/2008 4:01:05 PM , Rating: 4
Maybe under sentencing guidelines although I doubt that. Certainly I would bet if you looked at the sentences actually handed out, pedophiles get longer ones than check bouncers. And don't forget that once a pedophile is released, he's got to register as a sex offender, which leads to all kinds of hell for them, well deserved if the bastards are guilty.


RE: Oh boy...
By Oregonian2 on 6/20/2008 6:01:32 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, they are marked for life. Any possible jailtime isn't the end of it like in classic movies where former jailbirds go straight to become successful citizens. Those convicted of pedophilia will be persecuted until they die. What's sad is that they're given no incentive to "go clean" -- they're considered guilty "forever" no matter what they do or don't do. The system is built to encourage repeat offenses.


RE: Oh boy...
By Mojo the Monkey on 6/20/2008 6:05:02 PM , Rating: 5
yeah, while I have no sympathy for those kinds of individuals, I consider myself highly principled. Along those lines, I believe once the sentence has been served, that should be the end of it. If people think the sentence isnt enough, they need to change the sentence, not add on conditions after release which were not anticipated at the time of conviction.


RE: Oh boy...
By Ryanman on 6/20/2008 6:31:39 PM , Rating: 5
it's not built to make a punishmet... It's a system built to protect children. We could get in a discussion about it, but pedophiles can't "go clean" in the traditional sense. They can't not want to be with children. They can control themselves and not ruin lives but they'll never get rid of the desire.

My issue is with people who AREN'T pedophiles. The ones who are sex offenders due to statutory rape. Like the kid who was in federal prison for years because a 17 year old girl sucked him off. Absolutely ridiculous.


RE: Oh boy...
By Parhel on 6/20/2008 6:40:52 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
My issue is with people who AREN'T pedophiles


It would be awful to be branded for life over something like that. There ought to be a caveat for the age difference. Under the current system, an 18 year old guy with a 17 year old girlfriend is a criminal.

For the actual pedophiles, I agree. No amount of reform would ever make feel comfortable about someone like that living in my neighborhood. Yet it wouldn't be fair to put in jail for ever . . . maybe ship them off to "Pedophile Island." It would make for a great reality TV show too.


RE: Oh boy...
By jtesoro on 6/21/2008 12:12:55 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, while on the topic of pedophiles, what ever happened to Christoper1? Haven't seen him post in a while (which is a good thing I guess).


RE: Oh boy...
By Parhel on 6/21/2008 12:48:20 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, his last post was over 2 months ago. I hope he's in jail.


RE: Oh boy...
By JustTom on 6/21/2008 2:07:22 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Under the current system, an 18 year old guy with a 17 year old girlfriend is a criminal.


This is not necessarily, or even likely to be true. Many states have clauses in their consent laws regarding age difference, if the sex partners are within that age spread then the sex is legal. However, there is also an age that any sex is illegal but it is often shockingly low.

For instance in NY law is: Third-degree rape for anyone age 21 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone under age 17
Second-degree rape for anyone age 18 or older to engage in sexual intercourse with someone under age 15. The fact that the offender was less than four years older than the victim at the time of the act is an affirmative defense.
First-degree rape to have sexual intercourse with someone (1) less than age 11 or (2) less than age 13 if the actor is age 18 or older

And the Connecticut law is: First-degree sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person under age 13 if the actor is more than two years older
Second-degree sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person between ages 13 and 16 if the actor is more than two years older


RE: Oh boy...
By 3kliksphilip on 6/22/2008 9:29:22 PM , Rating: 4
We should just throw all actors in jail and be done with it.


RE: Oh boy...
By MRwizard on 6/22/2008 11:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
""Pedophile Island.""

HAHA!!

give em all clubs and see which can beat the other to death

i can see it now!


RE: Oh boy...
By lco45 on 6/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Oh boy...
By Silver2k7 on 6/28/2008 4:58:29 AM , Rating: 2
"Under the current system, an 18 year old guy with a 17 year old girlfriend is a criminal."

Why not change the leagal limit of sex to 15 like european contries. then problem solved.

leagal limits here:

15 - sex
18 - getting a drivers license
18 - getting married
18 - purchasing alcohol with up to 3.5 vol%, ciggarettes.
18 - purchasing stronger alcohol in a Pub
20 - purchasing stronger alcohol in a store.


RE: Oh boy...
By tigz1218 on 6/21/2008 5:31:56 PM , Rating: 2
"They can't not want to be with children."

First let me say yes I think these people are sick and deserve to go to jail. However as I have studied many courses in psychology throughout the years I will disagree on that statement. There are many studies that show you can alter peoples behavior. In this case you can show pictures of children to these people and pair that with something that makes them feel nausiated. In time their desire to be with children should drastically or completely decrease.


RE: Oh boy...
By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2008 11:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
Also is the matter of the Pedo, convicted when 21 years old becomes a Father (with his wife) at the age of 45, but whom is forced to put their child out for adoption because he can't be near a child .

On the other hand, an underage teenager here can cold-bloodly murder someone and when (s)he turns 18, not only is (s)he free in society, but has his/her record wiped clean as a whistle. (I know someone who's daughter was clubbed to death at school and this was the case -- they have lowered the age threshold since then, but it's still there).

Pedo: bad
Murderer: good.

Fair?


RE: Oh boy...
By porkpie on 6/22/2008 12:31:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
an underage teenager here can cold-bloodly murder someone and when (s)he turns 18, not only is (s)he free in society, but has his/her record wiped clean as a whistle. (I know someone who's daughter was clubbed to death

If someone clubbed my daughter to death and EVER gets out of prison, they're going to have a rude surprise waiting for them when they get home.


RE: Oh boy...
By lco45 on 6/23/2008 5:14:24 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, Ryanman.
You might get angry and kill someone, but you can feel very sorry for it and grow up, and 20 years later you would never do it again.

Paedofiles on the other hand, they actually like children, and you can't change your preferences. They should be watched for the rest of their life, for their own good as well as for the good of children.

One disclaimer though, I hate it when some guy gets locked up for sleeping with some 15y.o. chick. You'd have to lock up half the 15y.o. guys I was at school with if that was the case ;)


RE: Oh boy...
By crleap on 6/20/2008 8:20:45 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you completely. THe crime is horrible, but we need to decide upon a sentence that pleases the citizens that an offender can serve and then be done with. And re: a post a few down about statutory rape with 18/17 year olds, that's how crooked our system is. If the age is 18, it needs to be 18. No more trying kids as adults if the prosecutor feels like it. If the age is 18 for sex, it should be 18 for everything. If we go to the trouble to set an age or a sentence we need to abide by our own rules.


RE: Oh boy...
By vladio on 6/20/2008 10:32:51 PM , Rating: 3
Please read:
Man Cleared of Child Porn Charges After Hiring Computer Forensics Expert -- http://www.crn.com/security/208700507
Please think:
This is You!
You didn't do any thing wrong, But... Computer Forensics Expert was louzy!


RE: Oh boy...
By Samus on 6/21/2008 5:50:08 AM , Rating: 5
I went to prison for writing a bad check.

I came out a drug dealer.


RE: Oh boy...
By theoflow on 6/23/2008 9:48:53 AM , Rating: 2
Uhh....how did the first part of this conversation turn from computer hacking into sex offenders?

What BAFFLES me ever more is that so many people know have very intricate knowledge rape and sex offender law?

LoL...tsk tsk tsk....


RE: Oh boy...
By LatinMessiah on 6/25/2008 6:52:26 PM , Rating: 2
A drug dealer with a sore butt.


RE: Oh boy...
By Mojo the Monkey on 6/20/2008 6:02:58 PM , Rating: 3
They wont do any time. They'll plea out to some kind of probation if they're first-time offenders. Its just sensationalist headlining.


RE: Oh boy...
By bongsi21 on 6/21/2008 10:59:34 AM , Rating: 2
Guys! I know for a certain that schools are the second home of the students.

Is it the job of the school and teachers to teach the students the proper manner in living life by educating them.

If a person commits a mistake you should correct them, not condemn him/her.


RE: Oh boy...
By iFX on 6/23/2008 8:57:58 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe you would like Club China better where they take you out back and put a bullet in your ear for many offenses.


RE: Oh boy...
By Cobra Commander on 6/20/2008 3:35:06 PM , Rating: 5
Nobody said they're going to jail. The blogger is merely pointing out that theoretically the cumulative potential is 38 years. Get mad if they are convicted of something like that, but right now that's speculation.


RE: Oh boy...
By Rookierookie on 6/20/2008 3:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
Given the system in California, I think the chances are very high that he'll get the full sentence.


RE: Oh boy...
By FS on 6/20/2008 5:43:44 PM , Rating: 2
Muslim + an Indian

The chances are very high no matter how much faith you have in our system, you know how it works.

PS: No matter who it is, the punishment is totally inhumane and doesn't belong in a civilized country.


RE: Oh boy...
By Nik00117 on 6/20/2008 5:45:38 PM , Rating: 3
Thats the sad part, sure they were naught little boys and girls but seriously they didn't exactly kill anyone or anything, they made some I.T guys job harder but should they really have the book thrown at them for it?


RE: Oh boy...
By sxr7171 on 6/20/2008 3:56:16 PM , Rating: 5
Pretty sad that even the ~potential~ for 38 years exists in this situation.


RE: Oh boy...
By PWNettle on 6/20/2008 7:48:46 PM , Rating: 2
Why? Why should committing multiple crimes with technology be handled differently than other crimes? Are most people that post here such hardcore geeks that you really think technology related crime isn't crime? It boggles the mind.


RE: Oh boy...
By amandahugnkiss on 6/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: Oh boy...
By EricMartello on 6/20/2008 11:24:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? Why should committing multiple crimes with technology be handled differently than other crimes? Are most people that post here such hardcore geeks that you really think technology related crime isn't crime? It boggles the mind.


The point is that the punishment doesn't suit the crime - as it should. 38 years for what amounts to changing a few test grades is bullshit, even to consider it. Maybe the prosecutors want to make an example out of these guys but kids do all kinds of dumb shit when they're that age. So it was done with technology instead of old-fashioned copying the answer key before the test or whatever...times are a bit different than they were 20 years ago.

These supposed crimes, which are more like broken rules, probably have not caused any perceivable damage to anyone. If they DID, then those damages should be used to determine the type and severity of punishment.


RE: Oh boy...
By JoshuaBuss on 6/21/2008 1:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
he didn't just change some grades.. he broke and entered and aided other students in getting their grades changed too.

at least keep in mind this wasn't a simple grade change.


RE: Oh boy...
By EricMartello on 6/21/2008 5:21:21 PM , Rating: 1
Ooooh...changing grades...it still doesn't warrant anything more than probation and maybe a few months of house arrest.

The problem with so-called "computer crimes" is that the people prosecuting them don't know dick about computers or how they work and the lump some kids just messing with his grades into the same bucket as a russian criminal organization phising for SSNs to perpetrate identity theft.

They're basically surrounded by ignorance and using their misguided information about what exactly a computer crime is to prosecute someone unjustly.


RE: Oh boy...
By 16nm on 6/20/2008 4:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
I guess he was thinking he could hack into the UC computer system and do the same thing. It's not like UC was going to let him stay if he was nearly failing and it's not like he wasn't going to fail if he couldn't even get half decent grades in high school. Nonetheless, serving hard time for a crime like this does seem a tad too harsh.


RE: Oh boy...
By Denigrate on 6/20/2008 5:08:04 PM , Rating: 5
So I guess that it's impossible to get mediocre or poor grades in highschool, and then do very well in college? Yeah, I guess that's why my college GPA (3.67) was over a point higher than my highschool GPA. Amazing what happens when you take classes you actually want to take.


RE: Oh boy...
By Ryanman on 6/20/2008 6:34:23 PM , Rating: 2
amen


RE: Oh boy...
By darkpaw on 6/20/2008 6:40:52 PM , Rating: 5
Yah, mine went way way up in college too because I absolutely hated high school.

Of course I screwed myself out of getting any scholarships so I'll be paying my student loans off until my son is in college.


RE: Oh boy...
By 16nm on 6/21/2008 12:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that depends on the university you want to attend. UC is a good one and they don't let douche bags in. A loser will have to cheat to get in. By your reckoning, I guess it's OK if he has to hack into school computers to change his grades because, even though he was a poor high school student, he perhaps belongs in UC. I don't buy it though. His 2.5 GPA might be worth 3.5 at a community college but I don't think he should be allowed into UC or any other good university unless he proves he belongs there as much as the others.


RE: Oh boy...
By Carter642 on 6/22/2008 11:51:22 PM , Rating: 3
There are plenty of douche bags and losers at UC, or any college you wish to point at. People who's academic prowess peaked in high school and go on to struggle in college are depressingly common. It's a failing of the testing/grading system in public schools. I'm not suggesting that there is any way that's better, merely that just because you go to a "good college" doesn't nessecerily indicate that you're smart, or will be successful.

I finished HS with a 2.6 because I was bored and unmotivated, I did my time in community college, transfered to real college where I graduated with a 3.9, and now I'm working on my doctorate in computational biology.

Personally, I don't think that anyone is really required to do much more than regurgitate information until grad school. Maybe UC should take these two when they finish their term in juvie, at least they showed some initiative unlike 99% of the college track masses out there.


RE: Oh boy...
By herrdoktor330 on 6/20/2008 4:10:26 PM , Rating: 3
I just want to say these boys need to learn the following line:

"I did not cheat! I didn't fully understand the rules."

How do I reach these kiiiiiiiiddddssss?

Sorry... I just had to say it.


RE: Oh boy...
By kyleb2112 on 6/20/2008 5:46:25 PM , Rating: 2
Kind of a sensationalist headline. If there's zero chance of him getting this sentence does he really "face" it? He'll lose his computer, get fined, but I doubt he'll see one day behind bars.


RE: Oh boy...
By dragonbif on 6/20/2008 8:37:32 PM , Rating: 1
I would put them away for a few years. It is never a little thing to change records like that and he was doing it for other people too. He also wanted to put spyware on the computer system so he could hack it from home. I don’t think he made it himself so I bet other people could do it to even if he does not know them. 69 counts is not a small number and if you think about it if he is found guilty of half of them he could still face up to 10-15 years for 35 counts. One count of child rape is an 8-10 year term (if I remember right) but most of the time they add on kidnapping and other charges like false imprisonment so it comes out longer. There is no love for a those kinds of people in a jail and some are killed during their stay.
He was going to try and take someone else’s spot to go to collage by cheating. They can only take so many new students each year and sure some people drop of the new student list and go to another one leaving a spot open for someone in the, if a spot opens up list. If he did not earn it then he should not go and should be punished for trying to cheat his way in.
I do think they should at least put in on his permanent record so no one will give him a job not even McDonalds would want someone who is known to cheat, hack and steal identities.
If they do nothing to him and let him off by doing some community service that just sends out a message to all the others that it is no big deal to do what he did.

P.S. Don’t put murders and serial rapists in jail, give them the death penalty.


RE: Oh boy...
By wordsworm on 6/20/2008 11:00:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah whatever, just put a mark on their permanent record and kick them out of school.


I think a quick trip to Malaysia for a bit of corporal punishment would suffice. If you kick the kid out of school and put a permanent mark on his record, then he'll have to find non-mainstream uses for his talents (ie, criminal). Just send him to Malaysia for 2 months and I'm sure he'll have learnt his lesson.


Wth...
By Ryanman on 6/20/2008 3:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
38 years? that's incredibly ridiculous for changing school grades. No Kid deserves that.

On the other hand, he did it for 12 other kids too. And with the time he spent doing this, perhaps he could have gotten the grades he needed through "legit" means.




RE: Wth...
By Polynikes on 6/20/2008 3:29:26 PM , Rating: 4
I guess sometimes you learn things the hard way. The really, really hard way.


RE: Wth...
By jRaskell on 6/20/2008 3:45:56 PM , Rating: 3
Learning things the hard way is one thing. Not even being given the opportunity to turn a new leaf as a result is a whole other story.


RE: Wth...
By Scabies on 6/20/2008 5:56:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sixty-seven percent of former inmates released from U.S. state prisons in 1994 were back in jail within three years, according to a study conducted by the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). The figures indicate re-arrest rates have increased by five-percent since 1983

I dunno, turning a new leaf, learning the hard way...
(quoted from http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa060702... )


RE: Wth...
By HrilL on 6/20/2008 4:02:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah he probably could have gotten the better grades if he spent the same amount of time studying. None of the articles have said if the 12 other kids paid him and if they did then that is reason enough to do it.

I won't go into detail but when I was in school we got away with changing our grades. Of course we did it during class time and we weren't changing them to A's in most cases. Some of us just wanted to graduate.


RE: Wth...
By Bruneauinfo on 6/20/2008 4:52:42 PM , Rating: 3
or perhaps they lowered the grades of their 12 greatest enemies.


RE: Wth...
By Kenenniah on 6/20/2008 4:03:19 PM , Rating: 5
It's not a possible 38 years for just changing grades. Read the linked article.
quote:
During that time, Khan broke into the school on numerous occasions at night and on weekends using a stolen master key


Breaking and entering, hacking, and so on. I especially like the lawyer equating it to simple cheating, but cheating isn't illegal, it's just against school rules. Noone gets arrested for bringing a cheat sheet to a test, but breaking into buildings after hours? Last I knew hacking, breaking and entering, and so on where illegal regardless of the purpose. Just because they were only changing grades doesn't make the crimes any less criminal.


RE: Wth...
By Proxes on 6/20/2008 5:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
When I was in high school being a computer geek was a little hard; not many people had a PC. I was one of the few that had a PC at home. But I had friends that would leave one of the windows to the computer lab cracked open and so they could break in at night to use the school's BBS computer.

They wouldn't break into offices and change grades or anything, but they needed a computer fix bad.


RE: Wth...
By decapitator666 on 6/21/2008 4:08:32 AM , Rating: 2
Just wondering... If you use a keycard, it's technically not BREAKING and entry.. It surely is illegal entry but I can't see the BREAKING part in it..

If their had really been breaking in , should they not have called the police to investigate and/or installed better security systems like camera's or a better (silent) burglary alarm system?

On a different note.. Isn't the school to blame too? They had lousy computer security, they did not keep proper backups, the teacher did not notice that his record of grades did differ from the ones present in the computer database..
Kinda ridiculous, to offload their responsibility on a student to the extent of 38 years to keep their own lack of security. In my view the school should be fined big time for not having the responsibility nor the security measures to prevent a MINOR ("that is not among the smartest, and he has the marks to prove it") from entering the school and give him REPEATEDLY access to the school computer system.
One could just as easily blame everything on the school and charge them for criminal negligence...

Of course the boy needs punishment but let him clean the school grounds for a year for 2-3 hours before school time and on Saturdays.. Nothing a teenager hates more than having to rise at 4 and work from 5-8 for nothing before school. Waking up at 4 will effectively ruin his evenings aswell


RE: Wth...
By JustTom on 6/22/2008 2:27:16 PM , Rating: 2
Legally breaking and entering does encompass using a key or key card.If the door is not open and it has to be pushed and the entry is unathorized it is legally B&E. Since the doors were closed and his entry unauthorized this is a classic example of B&E.

While the school should certainly have better security it does not remove the student's responsibility for his behaviour. He chose to illegally enter the building, he chose to illegally hack the system, he chose to change the grades.

quote:
In my view the school should be fined big time for not having the responsibility nor the security measures to prevent a MINOR


Khan is 18, an adult not a minor.

The whole 38 years thing is silly, that is simply nothing more than adding the maximum jail time for each felony count. He faces no reasonable chance of actually serving anywhere near that amount.


RE: Wth...
By artemicion on 6/20/2008 8:17:19 PM , Rating: 2
Shame on the author for writing a sensationalist article that even suggests that the kid is going to see 38 years in prison. Maximum sentences are for repeat offenders, not kids. Nothing to see here, carry on . . .


Was It Worth It?
By KingViper on 6/20/2008 4:07:41 PM , Rating: 5
Hmm, I haven't been out of High School very long, but last I remember, it wasn't that hard to pull A's and B's. The fact that he has to cheat for those kinds of grades is a little pathetic.




RE: Was It Worth It?
By JoshuaBuss on 6/20/2008 4:22:50 PM , Rating: 2
heh.. that's what i was thinking. it certainly would've taken me more time to go through all that than get a few As and Bs in high school.


RE: Was It Worth It?
By StevoLincolnite on 6/20/2008 4:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
I honestly couldn't be bothered with school, and left at the end of year 9, and went onto Tafe College, and now I am in Government paid job, seems the Australian Education system needs a kick in the pants in that area also.


RE: Was It Worth It?
By GhandiInstinct on 6/20/08, Rating: -1
RE: Was It Worth It?
By Dark Legion on 6/20/2008 10:18:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not totally sure, but I'd guess that its because they thought it was a little weird that he wanted a copy of the same bad grades to appeal the decision by UC, so they checked it out and there you go.


How stupid can you be?!
By daniyarm on 6/20/2008 3:29:25 PM , Rating: 5
This guy is an idiot. If he only spent half that time studying he wouldn't have to go through this mess. 38 years is too much, but he definately deserves a punishment. This isn't like regular cheating, it's far worse. And even if you are going to do something like this, don't leave any trace of it. Noob!




RE: How stupid can you be?!
By Parhel on 6/20/2008 3:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This isn't like regular cheating, it's far worse.


I don't know how Ferris Bueller could sleep at night. :)


Sounds like.....
By sporr on 6/20/2008 3:47:45 PM , Rating: 1
They are fit for the CIA, although possibly not as they clearly messed up on this one.




RE: Sounds like.....
By amanojaku on 6/20/2008 3:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
Breaking into a school's computer system doesn't sound like CIA-level hacking.


RE: Sounds like.....
By sporr on 6/21/2008 6:44:49 AM , Rating: 2
heh sorry it was a bit of sarcasm thats all. I probably should have made it more obvious though.


RE: Sounds like.....
By HrilL on 6/20/2008 4:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't even really hack in or anything. Said they had teachers logins. Getting those is really not that hard as a lot of them at least at my school had them on a sicky under the keyboard or even on the monitor. Or it was their pets name. Just about anybody could get that kind of info.


High expectations
By cparka23 on 6/20/2008 5:27:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Khan was found out when he requested a school transcript in order to appeal a denial of admission to the University of California[...]

Hey, I deserve to go to your school and I've got the fake grades to prove it!!




RE: High expectations
By Smartless on 6/20/2008 5:36:06 PM , Rating: 2
I remember a guy in my engineering class who protested a partial credit score by going up to the professor with an old test and saying, "This guy got full credit, why can't I." Brilliant!


RE: High expectations
By flydian on 6/20/2008 6:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hey, I deserve to go to your school and I've got the fake grades to prove it!!


Being UC, it would make sense to me. Fake grades for a fake school. =D

GO CARDINAL!


Khan
By nbachman on 6/20/2008 5:15:25 PM , Rating: 5
KHAAAAAN!!!




Heh...unbelievable
By BruceLeet on 6/21/2008 7:26:35 AM , Rating: 2
B&E in Canada, probation. (1st time offender)

Using a known password to use a computer to change grades, slap on the wrist...in Canada (Im not saying Ive witnessed it happen before, but thats generally what happened, isn't it)

All this "Computer Fraud"...this is a school, not a bank, let him learn his lesson with probation and maybe house arrest (give him more time to develop his "skills")and, change all his grades to F, throwing him out of school would solve nothing, he would have no education, and no future. The only thing your gaining is a statistic based on unemployement, and losing a future taxpayer.

The sensationalism could have been avoided, Mr.Article writer




RE: Heh...unbelievable
By just4U on 6/22/2008 6:48:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The sensationalism could have been avoided, Mr.Article writer


Shane better do a follow-up on this one I think. I am curious to see what the heck happens to these kids.


Can't believe it
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/23/2008 7:34:49 AM , Rating: 2
Foul play with a computer has a greater punishment than many murder cases?
This has to be a joke... And a pretty badly tasted one.

Gimme a break!




RE: Can't believe it
By JustTom on 6/23/2008 8:56:17 AM , Rating: 2
The prosecution has neither asked for nor has the judge sentenced him to 38 years. The 38 years is just totalling the max sentence for each felony count. It is a meaningless number.


Khan's Charges
By bgm063 on 6/20/2008 4:47:45 PM , Rating: 1
After reading through this, I definitely think Khan ought to do some time. I don't know the whole story, but one of his many charges is identity theft.

I'm not sure if somebody was fired as a result of all this madness, but let's be real... Somebody stealing your identity can scar you for a long time. But again... I don't know all the details here. I'm just figuring that may have something to do with why he's at risk for so many possible years in prison.




RE: Khan's Charges
By SiliconAddict on 6/20/2008 6:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
the identy theft prob stems from using a person's user name and password to access the system. The person who he was impersonating wasn't impacted in any way. Again overkill. Punish...but not so severely that when he gets out all he is going to do is more crime.
It was a retarded stunt that shouldn't cost him half his life.


hmm
By barjebus on 6/20/2008 4:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
We had a similar case in our city (about 250,000 people) in Canada. Allegedly two students had access to the NT password hash file on various computers that had been used by system admins to log on previously. The compromised the passwords and were able to log on locally around the school as the schools sysadmin, and installed key loggers. Before long, a higher up admin from the school board had stopped by and logged on, and they were able to gain enough permissions to run key loggers across the entire school board network, eventually netting themselves some root passwords. I'm probably not being the most technical, but this was about 2 years ago.

Anyways, this went on for months, and no one had noticed since the kids weren't doing anything. Eventually though they showed off a bit and shared the passwords with some younger students at the high school. They became upset about how the kids were using the passwords, and decided to change all of the sysadmins passwords to lock them out, which of course locked out every school board sysadmin, and a police investigation was launched. I believe a few charges were laid, but only with the intention of making the kids do tons of community service, as they were exceptionally bright (both had 97%+ averages I guess). I thought the punishment fit the crime, as they had the power to do great damage if they desired to.




Uhhohh not a hacker!
By ohn0z on 6/20/2008 5:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, so first of all he didn't "hack" anything...he merely found a password, logged into a computer and changed his grades....please get the facts straight, the press is really out of line these days as to what is really going on. so please get a clue.

/rant




Update
By Trisped on 6/20/2008 5:20:45 PM , Rating: 2
He actually did change his grades and those of his class mates (for a price).
It wasn't all with a computer; he had a skeleton key to the school which helped him get access to class rooms when no one was around.




By SiliconAddict on 6/20/2008 6:31:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not a complete bleeding heart liberal, however there seems to be a distinct disparity in the punishment to crime ratio here. Do you think a person who hacks their schools computer system to get better grades is going to turn out better or worse after 38 (Or lets say HALF that. 19 years) in prison?

Plus I would question how much time a rapist would get....compared to someone who is just a moron. Give him 3 months in prison, another 6 months of community service, with a 6 year parole.

I swear though, people are getting way too bent out of shape on computer crimes. Yes there are some that really deserve a hard sentence, such as massive identity theft that basically puts people in the poor house. But this? WAY OVERKILL.




One overlooked tragedy
By FreeTard on 6/20/2008 8:25:20 PM , Rating: 2
One thing that I think has been overlooked. If he gets any jail time... well he might lose his virginity in his high school years, just not the way he pictured.

Is someone starting a fund to get this guy a hooker, so that he has one good experience before someone tells him he has a purdy mouth?




But why the Ferris?
By wolf68k on 6/21/2008 1:36:34 AM , Rating: 2
I saw this on G4's AOTS The Feed and they commented about Ferris as well. But why?
Ferris didn't hack the school computer to change his grade. He changed how many days he hadn't been in school. It was when Matthew Broderick played David Lightman in War Games that he hacked the school and changed his grade.




Seems a bit harsh
By lco45 on 6/23/2008 4:36:14 AM , Rating: 2
A friend and I did this in Uni years ago.
We never got caught, but confessed when they banned everyone's account.
We got 2 weeks suspension.
Luke




WIZARD!
By Jynx980 on 6/26/2008 2:45:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is certainly not the first time we've heard of a kid cheating. Sometimes they do these types of things simply to see if they can. The only thing that makes this case different is the technology used.


The defense rests your honor!

The correct answer to any question regarding a pending case is "no comment"!

Also the attorneys name is Merlin. Merlin! He's gonna need some magic just to get a plea bargain.




AWESOME
By overlandpark4me on 6/27/2008 7:50:40 PM , Rating: 2
Great, 38 years for hacking. He would have been better off molesting a 4 year old in Massachusetts. They would have put him in house arrest for 3 months, then let him go. In my area we would have kicked the living crap out of him.




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