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New Zealand teen accused of masterminding botnet FBI says has caused $20 million in losses

Hackers use botnet networks for everything from stealing credit card data to full on brute force attacks aiming to take down large networks, which was the case in the attack that was launched against eBay in September of 2007.

One of the biggest areas of research for preventing cybercrime is in the field of detecting and defeating these botnets.  Last month DailyTech reported about Nemean, a new digital fingerprinting technology able to detect botnets much faster and more accurately than current detection applications.

The Guardian reports that a New Zealand teen was arrested today and stands accused of being the ringleader of a massive botnet responsible for infecting more than 1.3 million computers. Authorities withheld the 18-year-old teen's name because of his age, but he went by the hacker alias Akill.

Authorities say that eight other people have been charged, pled guilty or convicted in association to the botnet since the investigation started in June. Thirteen arrest warrants were served in the U.S. and internationally related to the investigation.

The FBI says that the botnet has compromised more than 1 million computers and resulted in losses of around $20 million USD.

Martin Klenintjes, head of the New Zealand police e-crime unit, said, "He [Akill] is very bright and very skilled in what he's doing. He hires his services out to others."



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Punishment...
By retrospooty on 12/1/2007 12:52:27 PM , Rating: 3
I seriously think they should take guys like this and give them extremely stiff penalties, and make it highly publicised to deter others from doing it... I am glad the kid is smart and all, but a 10 year prison sentence will take away his entire youth, making attacks like this less likely from the next highly intelligent loser that comes along.

Next step... SPAM LAWS




RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/1/2007 2:00:34 PM , Rating: 4
Even if this person was tortured for the rest of his earthly life, it will have no effect to deter other highly intelligent people from doing the same thing. They do this because they are guilty of hubris, so in their minds, they are too intelligent go get caught and the magnitude of the consequences is irrelevant to them until they are caught, by which time, it is too late for them to change.

The only effect that giving this person a long prison sentence will have is to rob society of the benefit of his intellectual abilities for a very long time. Now that he has been caught, it would be better to focus on seeing that he does not do this again with a short, severe sentence, such as a one year sentence where he will do farming during the spring and summer and clean streets during the autumn and winter than it would to focus on achieving any imagined deterrent effect. Afterward, the New Zealand government could give him to a university, enabling him to devote his intellectual abilities to legal activities and New Zealand's police could then monitor him for a few years to make sure he does not revert to what he was doing previously without being caught.

It would be a much better use of a such a great intellect and by doing it, society would lose nothing and gain everything. As I said, even if society was to torture the ones that are caught for the rest of their earthly lives, those that have not been caught will not make change their lives as a consequence of their own hubris and if society was to imprison this individual for a long time, society would only lose the intellectual work he could accomplished in that time frame for the betterment of others.


RE: Punishment...
By tanishalfelven on 12/1/2007 2:24:27 PM , Rating: 1
just wanted to add to this poster.
Hubris refers to pride. \

Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance: “There is no safety in unlimited technological hubris” (McGeorge Bundy).

just cuase most people might not know.

also this explanation is the same reason why the death penalty is so useless.


RE: Punishment...
By AnotherGuy on 12/1/07, Rating: 0
RE: Punishment...
By TSS on 12/1/2007 8:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
a botnet of 1,3 millions computers and you don't call that genious?

save for the fact that propably the majority of people working in security now as programmers where once hackers, he knows how he'd tear software apart... so he just as well knows how to prevent it.

maybe you'd use "some tools" to "hack" but considering what he's charged with i'd think he's pretty damn good at what he does.


RE: Punishment...
By SilthDraeth on 12/1/2007 8:48:44 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
also this explanation is the same reason why the death penalty is so useless.


Death penalty isn't about deterrence. It is about punishing someone for a crime the committed. Making the punishment, fit the crime per say. Violent criminals are a much greater threat to people than hackers. Hacking does not directly or physically harm, or kill people.

You are right however when talking about smart people and cyber crime. You can harness their intellect, monitor their activity, and have people like this do useful things instead of committing crime.


RE: Punishment...
By TomZ on 12/1/2007 9:48:52 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Death penalty isn't about deterrence.

Huh? Of course it is about deterrence. If it wasn't about deterrence, then that leaves the only alternative which is revenge, which the law doesn't recognize as a valid principle.
quote:
You can harness their intellect, monitor their activity, and have people like this do useful things instead of committing crime.

I disagree - a criminal is a criminal, period. Someone willing to harm another person for their own gain needs jail time regardless of their IQ.


RE: Punishment...
By Montrevux on 12/2/2007 11:51:00 PM , Rating: 2
Not Revenge but Retribution, which is certainly a valid principle that law bases on.

That should be the sole reason for any form of Capital Punishment.


RE: Punishment...
By Oregonian2 on 12/3/2007 8:55:31 PM , Rating: 2
Somewhat all a vocabulary argument. The death penalty is a deterrence thing that deters the person who did the deed from doing it again. AFAIK, it's 100% effective. See, vocabulary is simple.


RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/3/2007 7:24:58 AM , Rating: 2
The criminal justice system is not about punishment. That is why the Sheriffs who run the prisons are called correction officers.


RE: Punishment...
By AntDX316 on 12/3/2007 1:58:43 PM , Rating: 2
they wont jail him or fine him but they will make him work for them


RE: Punishment...
By Beemer76 on 12/3/2007 11:47:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'm divided about death penalty. I agree it will not deter many people from doing bad things. I would'nt say it's completely useless either. That guy who's been caught 10 times drunk driving ( Quebec, Canada ) and finally killed innocent people drunk driving again, his case would have been solved for good if he was sentenced to death after his 'x?'th infraction. Some people are just not recoverable.


RE: Punishment...
By murphyslabrat on 12/3/2007 12:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
By the same token, jail time would be useless as well. So, why do we bother? because anyone willing to ignore the [legitimate] authority of the government is due the stated penalties. These penalties are for reform, discouraging others, and plain old retribution.

However, as is the case with premeditated murder, capital punishment is perfectly valid. This person displayed a breach of morality that is unpardonable, this person demonstrated a clear lack of respect for the humanity of another person, and by extension, humanity as a whole.

Vigilantistic murder is the same. If the victim has committed an injustice that is not punishable by law, it is not up to the individual to correct the error of the judicial system. I guess, in this situation, the only thing you can do is cope with it.


RE: Punishment...
By cubby1223 on 12/1/2007 3:32:24 PM , Rating: 3
So in other words, you propose to *reward* people who destroy other's personal information and businesses?

I don't know, umm, the only effect that not giving this person a long prison sentence, would be to encourage everyone else to create havoc and destroy.


RE: Punishment...
By sxr7171 on 12/1/07, Rating: 0
RE: Punishment...
By cubby1223 on 12/1/2007 6:32:17 PM , Rating: 2
Amazing attitude. Don't even know how to respond.

So it's all about finances? Hmmm, the cost to jail him is cheaper than the cost in damages letting him run free creating new bot-nets. If you're going that route, you don't have a point.

Crimes must have consequences. So tell me, what should it be if not jail? Should he be rewarded with a job for breaking the law as the previous poster suggested? Remember, the consequences must outweigh the rewards, or else you'll have everyone who doesn't suffer from pride also committing crimes.


RE: Punishment...
By FITCamaro on 12/2/2007 11:18:35 AM , Rating: 2
Fine we'll execute them all. Single appeal. Then the chair or the table. No prison costs then.


RE: Punishment...
By 1078feba on 12/3/2007 10:21:52 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I will pay for his prison term...

But only if you agree to sponsor him once he's out. You know, monitor him, either counsel him yourself or get him professional counseling. And, most importantly, if he has a "relapse" (progressive nomenclature), then it's you we punish because he was your responibility.

You go to jail.

After all, you can delegate authority, not responsibility.

Better yet, put your money where your mouth is: go pick a convicted criminal of your choice, who has committed the same type of non-violent crime, and have at it.

We are all breathless in anticipation to see how it turns out....


RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/3/2007 7:27:41 AM , Rating: 2
Do you think anyone would be discouraged if he received a long prison sentence? If you read my post, you would know why everyone capable of doing these things that do them are not discouraged by such tactics.


RE: Punishment...
By sxr7171 on 12/1/2007 5:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you. A lot of people really believe in the deterrent effects of long prison sentences. The only thing that does is overcrowd prisons and cost us - the taxpayers - more money to keep them alive and fighting, using drugs and generally being difficult in prison. We need to think more progressively than to assume that prison is the solution even for more modern non-violent crimes.


RE: Punishment...
By cubby1223 on 12/1/2007 6:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
Well what's your suggestion then, genius? Not punish criminals? What does your "progressive" thinking mind say we should do? There will *always* be criminals, and anyone will become one if the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

Take speeding for example. Everyone does it, most get away with it, and those caught pay a relatively small fine. Nothing is deterring *anyone* from speeding.

Now take that mentality and apply it to more serious crimes, what do you think is going to happen when whatever this progressive solution that you probably don't even have, is implemented?


RE: Punishment...
By baseball43v3r on 12/2/2007 3:44:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:


Take speeding for example. Everyone does it, most get away with it, and those caught pay a relatively small fine. Nothing is deterring *anyone* from speeding.


oh really? i drive 75 on the freeway, you dont see many people, if any at all pushing 100 anywhere in the nation, and back east, a mile of the speeding limit will get you a ticket. My point being that people drive somewhere around the speed limit, because of speeding tickets. Which means they are a deterrant. If your theory, which is false, were to be somewhat true, then people would be going 100 miles an hour everywhere, and pushing their cars to the limits. And dont give me crap like, "they dont drive so fast because it'll kill their gas mileage". americans have shown plenty of times no matter the cost of gas or the mileage they get will deter them from driving and driving fast.

Oh and btw we already dont punish criminals. Look up the numbers on how many non violent drug offenders we release from prison every day. we have massive prison overcrowding, and your bashing in this guy because he has a progressive solution. brillant move on your part.


RE: Punishment...
By FITCamaro on 12/2/2007 11:25:18 AM , Rating: 1
I know in places like New Jersey that highway speeds people are doing over 100 to keep up with traffic.

In a way he's right. Yes people speed. In Orlando, the speed limit on I4 is 50-55. If you're not doing 70, you're getting ran over. Hell I've followed cops doing 80.

Now is that to say that people aren't afraid of speeding tickets? No. They are. People will drive as fast as they can get away with. But the problem with speed limits is that they're largely political or haven't been changed in decades. So they're sometimes unreasonable for the road they're on. Nearly always too slow.

That said, if you're going excessively faster than everyone else, you'll get a ticket. That's what people are afraid of. Not speeding. As the other guy said, everyone speeds. They're not afraid to. What they're afraid of is excessively speeding compared to everyone else.


RE: Punishment...
By animedude on 12/2/2007 8:38:38 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe you should watch "Catch Me If You Can". It is a real story movie.


RE: Punishment...
By 1078feba on 12/3/2007 10:15:10 AM , Rating: 2
Tell me then Einstein, what keeps you from committing a crime the result of which would surely mean a lengthy term getting snuggly and intimate with a member of the same sex? What is it? Your profoundly strong moral compass? Your innate ethical superiority?

No.

It's fear of the punishment. It may be ugly, it may be distasteful, it may even be repugnant to your sensibilities at times, but deterrence works.

I would even go so far as to state that failure to punish is failure to fulfill your responsibility to your fellow citizens. Punishing someone according to the democratically agreed upon laws of one's nation is one of the most moral acts to which one can possibly aspire.

If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.


RE: Punishment...
By Chocobollz on 12/3/2007 1:16:19 PM , Rating: 2
How about God and humanity? Yes, we all should fear of punishment but that's not what punishment meant to, punishment are tools to teach people to respect each others, not to make you afraid of it.

Just my 0.02 dollars (or 2 cents or whatever :P)


RE: Punishment...
By retrospooty on 12/1/2007 6:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
Good points, that may all be true...

to tell you the truth, what I really think is to hell with the lil s$%t, string him up and shoot him, not necesarily as a "deterrent" but as a means of waste disposal.


RE: Punishment...
By 3kliksphilip on 12/1/2007 7:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
'the New Zealand government could give him to a university'

If I don't get accepted into University this year, at least there's another way to get in ;)


RE: Punishment...
By wordsworm on 12/1/2007 8:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
Yess.... let's educate the common criminal to become a super criminal. I love that logic!


RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/3/2007 7:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
The point is to give the guy something legal and intellectually stimulating to do with his time. If he does that, would there be a problem?


RE: Punishment...
By Strunf on 12/1/2007 9:14:55 PM , Rating: 2
I would take farming for the summer has an "summer activity" not really a punishment...

What makes you think he has such a great intellect?... hacking its pretty common nowadays and has been around since some time and I'm yet to hear anything really great about hackers and how they have changed the world to a better one.
The only thing hackers created was this feel of insecurity towards the internet...


RE: Punishment...
By iFX on 12/2/2007 9:04:23 AM , Rating: 2
<<<ob society of the benefit of his intellectual abilities for a very long time.>>>

Give me a break, what a bunch of bullshit. It doesn't take a genius to infect a bunch of PCs with a bot that talks back to your host server. Get a clue.

If he's so damned smart he wouldn't be sitting in a jail cell now would he?

The only one guilty of robbing anything is this punk kid, he is no different than some little street shite stealing ladies purses - actually he is less than that, a coward, because he won't steal your CC in person, he has to hide behind a PC.


RE: Punishment...
By tmouse on 12/3/2007 8:21:14 AM , Rating: 2
Your logic is totally flawed. These problems stem from the fact that in the past these types of criminals were rewarded, often with high paying security jobs. This logic has proven itself to be poor at best. The vast majority have proven to be poor employees and in fact either quit (they do not function in the rigid environment the firms require) or are fired for poor performance, insubordination or lapsing into their previous occupations. What makes you think he will change? At eighteen your basic moral stance is pretty much set in stone, his seem to be what ever is best for me. Greedy selfish people at 18 just turn into greedy selfish older people unless some major life changing event comes along (and a summer on a farm followed by a free ride to additional education does not count as a life changing event). I do not agree with your assumption that if severe punishment is consistently applied this would not have any effect on any other smart kids, this is just nonsense. Some will think twice, these are the ones you can save, the others....there is nothing you can do (there will always be these types). There is not a shortage of smart people, random genetic selection will always provide us with more, at best we may be slowed a bit but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Rewarding sociopaths is poor judgment at best. I do not want to get into the death sentence debate here but think about this; if your life means nothing to you what else does? NO LAW will ever control people who do not fear the loss of their own lives, they are throw a ways, there is nothing you can do to change them or protect society from them but waste resources which could be better spent for the benefit of others. The laws in fact DO deter those who do not want to risk their lives, these are the ones who MIGHT but do not. I have reviewed every study to date on how the death penalty is ineffective and everyone is so flawed (as most soft science studies are) with either biased or completely unmatched populations as to be statistically invalid. The main problem is you cannot measure who would do something if a law was not in effect but did not for fear of the punishment (effectively trying to prove a negative). By your logic no laws are needed since a certain percent of the population will always not care about the punishment they offer.


RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/3/2007 10:35:23 AM , Rating: 2
How does reading a single news article enable you to know he had something better to do with his time and chose not to do it? If he is 18, in all likelihood, he has just come out of high school. Tell me, is there anything in high school that is truly worthy of an intellectual's time and energy?


RE: Punishment...
By tmouse on 12/3/2007 1:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
So your saying at 18 he did not realize the cost and harm organizing and running a botnet was doing? He hires himself out to help others perform illegal activities. He seems bright enough to find other challenges it’s not a huge stretch to feel he does not care one wit about anyone else. He deserves a long time to reflect. I feel 5 years or so maybe with another 5 hi tech ban probation would be reasonable.


RE: Punishment...
By Shining Arcanine on 12/3/2007 6:24:25 PM , Rating: 2
I think this teenager reminds you of someone in your life who hurt you and as retribution, you want him to be hurt in the most severe manner that you can imagine. Because you cannot inflict pain on the person who hurt you, you project it on to this teenager, through your opinions concerning his fate.


RE: Punishment...
By 1078feba on 12/3/2007 10:45:26 AM , Rating: 2
Wow. I can't tell if you're actually serious or not.

How in the hell could anyone refer to a short stint doing manual labor as "severe"?

Listen, you could spend the next decade of your life giving this little miscreant a hug, but as soon as you release and turn your back, I'd SWAG that there is a high degree of probability that he will attempt to pick your pocket.

And how do you propose to force him to work for "the betterment of others"? At gun point? The threat of jail time? But wait, you just told me that jail time wouldn't work! He's too smart for that silly old "imagined deterrent" concept, right?! Too proud.

Here's a tip: the humiliation aspect of the prison uniform is never to be underestimated.

What I really want to know is, did you get any on yourself? I haven't seend a navel-gazing mental mastubatory frnezy like this post since the last presidential election.


RE: Punishment...
By Christopher1 on 12/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: Punishment...
By cheetah2k on 12/3/2007 12:14:06 AM , Rating: 2
Why doesn't the FBI hire this guy to search out and destroy other Botnets, and to train up others to be just as aware? God knows the FBI can use people like this - Just like back in the day when Frank Abagnale, Jr was wreaking fraud havoc, he ended up a chief counterfit investigator for the FBI, and currently runs his own firm - Abagnale and Associates, a financial fraud consultancy company.


RE: Punishment...
By Chocobollz on 12/3/2007 1:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
I'd say, let's give him a chance (by giving chances to work at FBI or anything), but if he's doing the same mistake again, then he's done, send him to jail, teach him Yoga, and see if it'll change his mind about himself and his attitude :).


No Jail for Him
By mendocinosummit on 12/1/2007 12:51:53 PM , Rating: 2
The CIA or NSA will smuggle him to the US and use is knowledge against China.




RE: No Jail for Him
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 12/1/2007 12:54:37 PM , Rating: 5
The CIA and the NSA use people that don't get caught ... unlike this guy.


RE: No Jail for Him
By mrwxyz on 12/1/2007 2:08:59 PM , Rating: 5
If they don't get caught, how do the CIA and NSA find them? ;)


RE: No Jail for Him
By omnicronx on 12/1/2007 2:19:34 PM , Rating: 5
craigslist... obviously...


RE: No Jail for Him
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 12/1/2007 7:41:45 PM , Rating: 3
Botnet's arent exactly high on the hacker community totem pole. The CIA and NSA has no use for someone of his low caliber.


RE: No Jail for Him
By FITCamaro on 12/2/2007 11:28:08 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah they want the guys who are hacking into their systems or the FBIs.


RE: No Jail for Him
By Runiteshark on 12/1/2007 1:11:08 PM , Rating: 2
What knowledge? Having a decent exploit, spreader and good packer?

However, if this was the guy that did the Storm net, that would be a shame. His anti-snooping methods were awesome.


Botnet = EZ Money!
By EricMartello on 12/1/2007 3:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
Why would I waste my time selling a "botnet service" to others or using it to "attack" other websites? If I were to make a botnet and I managed to get it up to 1.3 million bots, I'd sign up for all these PPC ad programs and spam my own web server(s) with the bots in random "natural" patterns...easily reaping thousands of dollars a day in click revenues. This way, your chances of getting caught are reduced...if and when they do figure you out, chances are by then you'll have enough cash to hire some great legal defense.:D




RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By cubby1223 on 12/1/2007 3:35:53 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think the Chewbacca defense is going to get you out of that mess...


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By SavagePotato on 12/1/2007 5:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
There is no counter to the Chewbacca defense.


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By EricMartello on 12/1/2007 9:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
What is this chewbacca defense you speak of??


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By baseball43v3r on 12/2/2007 3:48:37 AM , Rating: 1
watch southpark more often it goes along the lines of

quote:

Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.


hope that helps :-D


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By omnicronx on 12/2/2007 1:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
Because going from 0 to 1.3 million hits instantly with absolutely nothing on your site is just a tiny bit suspicious..


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By Christopher1 on 12/2/07, Rating: -1
RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By EricMartello on 12/2/2007 4:22:18 PM , Rating: 2
You missed my part about "natural access" patterns, so feasibly you just ramp up the clicks gradually. Furthermore who's to say that the site wasn't getting a lot of traffic in the first place? If you have a site getting 100K visitors a day and decide to put google ads on there, then as far as google knows, you've been getting that kind of traffic all along. Hey if bonzi buddy, weatherbug and smiley central can do it...so can I!!!


RE: Botnet = EZ Money!
By SavagePotato on 12/2/2007 4:58:48 PM , Rating: 2
You don't think the advertising firms are going to realise the difference when Joe Smiths blog page is pulling in thousands of dollars a day in ad revenue. Based on the daily musings of what kind of cerial the blogger ate that morning?


good idea
By bryanW1995 on 12/1/2007 7:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
he should get a 30yr prison sentence...then have a cia operative offer him a way out...by catching other mofos like him!




RE: good idea
By JakLee on 12/2/2007 12:10:02 PM , Rating: 3
I find it strange that so many people here think that the CIA would like to hire this kid. Why don't they hire the people who make those silly little flash adds too that pop up over my screen when I look at a website & give me some add I don't want to see with a hard to find close button that won't allow me to see what I was doing on the website in the first place.
That is the same level of talent there. Also the same amount of worth.

I hope this guy gets 5-10 years. By the time he gets out the computer industry will have moved along again & his "talents" will be long gone. I am all about reform & I do think the death penalty is a bit harsh, but I think if we toss these kinds of people away for a few years that even if they aren't reformed their skills & knowledge will have dulled since the tech fields move so quickly.


The CIA do hire poeple like this kid
By Nik00117 on 12/1/2007 6:30:45 PM , Rating: 2
The CIA would hire someone like this kid.

However he did get caught.

The CIA doesn't "caught" its hackers. It finds out who they are, and what they are doing then contacts them, and goes "ok heres the deal you got two choices, work for us and make 200k a year doing what your doing now, or spend the next 20 years next to a guy named Larry"




18?
By clovell on 12/1/2007 7:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
What's the legal age in New Zealand? Seems old enough to release a name.




By MrCoyote on 12/2/2007 9:46:56 PM , Rating: 2
^^^




By nurbsenvi on 12/2/2007 12:13:07 PM , Rating: 1
Why cause so much damage to others for your pride?

Would you be considered "cool" if you made a super smart robot that smashes other people's car windows?

Seriously, they should be punched in the face to death in public.
World will be a better place without this scums.




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