of inactivity following the arrest
of top U.S. military leaker Bradley Manning, Wikileaks
roared back to life this week, releasing a virtual stockpile
U.S. military documents on operations in Afghanistan, many of
them classified. Wikileaks chief Julian Assange, whose own
organization operates in utter
secrecy, criticized the U.S.'s lack of transparency and justified
the leaks by saying they revealed questionable behavior by Pakistan
and detailed 195 accidental civilian deaths on the hands of the U.S.
and its allies.Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint
Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen condemned the leak at a
press conference. Speaking to reporters, Mullen remarked that "Mr. Assange can
say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his
source are doing. But the truth is they might already have on
their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan
family."That prediction may have been proven
correct. A spokesperson named Zabihullah Mujahid who
represents the Taliban, said that the group's leadership was thankful
for the leaks and was pouring over the leaked documents searching for
the names of the U.S.'s supporters in Afghanistan.Mujahid
states, "We are studying the report. We knew about the
spies and people who collaborate with U.S. forces. We will
investigate through our own secret service whether the people
mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S.
spies, then we know how to punish them."The Taliban
spokesperson bragged of past killings of local officials which he
claims were informants. He even recalls one occasion in which
Taliban officers strapped "two alleged traitors to explosives
before detonating them in public." Other "traitors"
have been murdered by means such as beheadings, shootings, or
hangings.Like journalists, the U.S. government says it tries
to protect its sources and supporters. Defense Secretary Gates
commented, "I spent most of my life in the intelligence
business, where the sacrosanct principle is protecting your sources.
It seems to me that, as a result of this massive breach of security,
we have considerable repair work to do in terms of reassuring people
and rebuilding trust, because they clearly—people are going to feel
at risk."President Obama has condemned the leak.
Before the leak, his administration's officials had reportedly
Assange to not release all the documents, saying they could endanger
lives.Assange admitted in media interviews that he did not
review even the majority of the released documents personally.
It now appears that the documents may not just contain civilian death
reports, but also records of U.S. supporters.
quote: [Discussing the effects of the Genesis torpedo]McCoy: Dear Lord. You think we're intelligent enough to... suppose... what if this thing were used where life already exists?Spock: It would destroy such life in favor of its new matrix.McCoy: Its "new matrix"? Do you have any idea what you're saying?Spock: I was not attempting to evaluate its moral implications, Doctor. As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create.McCoy: Not anymore; now we can do both at the same time! According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now, watch out! Here comes Genesis! We'll do it for you in six minutes!Spock: Really, Dr. McCoy. You must learn to govern your passions; they will be your undoing. Logic suggests...McCoy: Logic? My God, the man's talking about logic; we're talking about universal Armageddon! You green-blooded, inhuman...
quote: Now, you do have a point with your "witness protection program" analogy, in that when information poses a *direct and immediate* threat to someone, there is justification for keeping it secret. However, I have yet to see any proof that such is the case here. Without such proof, your comparison does not apply to this leak.
quote: (22358)At 0528Z TF Bushmaster reported that 3 MVTs Mullah Salim, Mohamad and Mullah Abdula are in SC 23''S immediate AO(w/in 3-5k) and planning an IED ambush. Bushmaster intercepted TB Comms wih hostile intent over the past 36 hours. TF Bushmaster believes they have emplaced up to 4 IEDs on routes they expect them to take. TB in area are re-directing civilian traffic away from suspect IED locations. We do not have eyes on TB Re-direction location.TF Bushmaster is not in immediate danger, holding the high ground and the tactical advantage ATT. TF Bushmaster believes they are at fixed pos and they have eyes on the general locations. Bushmasetr is not planning to call "game on" because they do not plan on moving ATT
quote: Most of the "terrorists" planting IEDs are simple farmers and villagers who get a message promising them $100 if they put an IED in a certain location. As soon as they drop off the IED they continue life as normal.
quote: They did kill Americans, though, certainly. And they recruited and paid willing local Iraqis to help them.“To get paid by AQI for killing Americans,” Lieutenant Hightower said, “the attack must be videotaped. They often used tracer rounds so they could prove it was real. We found whole piles of these tapes when we cleaned the city out. We found and killed a sniper just northeast of the city. He had all kinds of video tapes of himself shooting and killing American soldiers.”Conveniently for Al Qaeda, the economy in Ramadi utterly disintegrated during the war. Almost everybody needed money, and even those who did have money had a hard time buying anything since all the stores had closed down.http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001514.html
quote: "One terrorist’s gunshot wounds, compliments of Deuce Four, were covered in hundreds of flies when the soldiers pulled him from the Iraqi hospital, cleaned his wounds and kept him. He is now providing valuable intelligence on the location of other terrorists responsible for planting IEDs. We know the enemy wants to bomb the inside of the 4-West police station with some kind of IED, or kill US Soldiers when they visit the station. There is an especially high price on the head of the police chief because he is damaging the insurgency."Moving on hot intelligence, Deuce Four conducted nine simultaneous raids on May 19th. One insurgent in particular was believed to know the locations of others. If the Deuce Four had gone in and just shot the man, he would be dead and useless, but instead LTC Kurilla asked him about the locations of two predominant terrorists. The insurgent answered, “For me to give the locations of these two men would be treason. However, in Iraq we have a saying: if death comes to greet you at your door, introduce him to your brother.” The soldiers loaded the Strykers and headed to that location. A capture-cascade had begun.http://www.michaelyon-online.com/battle-for-mosul-...
quote: If they sincerly believe that whats going on is wrong, they have a duty to themselves and the country to oppose it.
quote: This information doesnt seem to be very dangerous
quote: Will people be hurt by this in Afghanistan? Most likely. Collateral damage.
quote: If he didnt speak out, its likely noone would. Saying that he shouldnt, because someone else would, is naive at best.
quote: Try him.
quote: Execute him.
quote: We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies
quote: No, they wont. The public backlash that would be created by the impression of the US trying to take down the site would be far, far worse then anything Wikileaks can ever leak, especially since most of the information leaked would have come out anyways.
quote: Take a look at the Rainbow Warrior case and how much that cost france.
quote: we don't target civilians and non-combatants
quote: Enter the gunship leaked video about now ;) The coalition isn't quite the good guy it thinks it is.
quote: Lol, that helicopter was not being attacked... what about shooting someone who is essentially a medical. So they don't sign a treaty so you don't feel like following it? This is why the world is fed up to the gills of America. And that video was leaked via wikileaks so is kinda relevant..
quote: The least the guy could do would be to edit out the names of the afghan informers in order to protect them.
quote: Outside of the USA we see this as a very good thing, it's about time the world saw what you are doing and a huge number would like you to stop kinda pronto..
quote: The military is guilty of people dieing but now he is also.
quote: You people? Are you saying all europeans now, cus there's a shitload of us.
quote: Yes, you have richer people too, but i prefer to live in a society with less poor, and less unbelievably rich people, then to live in a society where a tiny % of the population holds all of the money, and the rest scrape by.
quote: a society where a tiny % of the population holds all of the money, and the rest scrape by.
quote: How does corruption have anything to do with being socialists? Only right wing nutjobs, or american schooled retards, think socialism is per definition a bad thing. Theres a reason we have less crime, less poor people, less wars and less disease then you people. Oh, and also more sex and less STDs and less unwanted pregnancies. Its because we're not american idiots. You really should travel outside the US, so you might realize what a shithole you live in.You wont find widespread corruption in most countries in the EU. You will however in most states of the US.
quote: Take a look at Germany, Finland, Sweden or Norway for a better example.
quote: Is the treason necessarily so bad if it is treason against a corrupt government? Such as Stauffenberg Outside of the USA we see this as a very good thing, it's about time the world saw what you are doing and a huge number would like you to stop kinda pronto..
quote: Much of the information — raw intelligence and threat assessments gathered from the field in Afghanistan— cannot be verified and likely comes from sources aligned with Afghan intelligence, which considers Pakistan an enemy, and paid informants. Some describe plots for attacks that do not appear to have taken place.Experts cautioned that although Pakistan’s militant groups and Al Qaeda work together, directly linking the Pakistani spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, with Al Qaeda is difficult.American officials have rarely uncovered definitive evidence of direct ISI involvement in a major attack.But for all their eye-popping details, the intelligence files, which are mostly collated by junior officers relying on informants and Afghan officials, fail to provide a convincing smoking gun for ISI complicity. Most of the reports are vague, filled with incongruent detail, or crudely fabricated. The same characters – famous Taliban commanders, well-known ISI officials – and scenarios repeatedly pop up. And few of the events predicted in the reports subsequently occurred.A retired senior American officer said ground-level reports were considered to be a mixture of "rumours, bull**** and second-hand information" and were weeded out as they passed up the chain of command. "As someone who had to sift through thousands of these reports, I can say that the chances of finding any real information are pretty slim," said the officer, who has years of experience in the region.If anything, the jumble of allegations highlights the perils of collecting accurate intelligence in a complex arena where all sides have an interest in distorting the truth."The fog of war is particularly dense in Afghanistan," said Michael Semple, a former deputy head of the EU mission there. "A barrage of false information is being passed off as intelligence and anyone who wants to operate there needs to be able to sift through it. The opportunities to be misled are innumerable."But many of the 180 reports appear to betray as much about the motivation of the sources than those of the alleged foreign puppet-masters. Some US officers were aware of this. One report from 2006 notes that an informant "divulges information for monetary remuneration and likely fabricated or exaggerated the above report for just that reason".Some of the most striking claims come from the National Directorate of Security, Afghanistan's foremost spy agency and a bitter rival to the ISI.But many such reports appear highly implausible. In February 2007 the ISI and insurgents planned "to buy alcoholic drinks from markets in Miranshah [in Pakistan's tribal belt] and Peshawar [in order to] mix them with poison and use them for poisoning ANSF and ISAF troops" according to a C3 report. The Karzai plot is assessed to be "probably true".Apparently more credible reports of ISI skulduggery are marked SEWOC, or Signals Intelligence Electronic Warfare Operations Centre, signifying they come from intercepted communications. One SEWOC report, in December 2007, accused the ISI of deploying children as suicide bombers. But the military source said that such intelligence was also prone to distortion, and that its value depended on whose conversation was being eavesdropped. "If we ever found out anything that the ISI or Pakistani military were somehow complicit in the insurgency, it never came from these sources. Never," he said.But while Gul, 73, is a well-known fundamentalist ideologue in Pakistan, experts say he is unlikely to play a frontline role in the fighting. Afghan informers may have used his name – he is notorious in Afghanistan – to spice up their stories, said Semple."There's a pattern of using a dramatis personae of famous ISI officers and Afghan commanders, and recurring reports of dramatic developments such as the delivery of surface-to-air missiles, to give these reports credibility," he said. "But most of them are simply fabricated."The retired US officer said some NDS officials "wanted to create the impression that Pakistani complicity was a threat to the US". And more broadly speaking, "there's an Afghan prejudice that wants to see an ISI agent under every rock".
quote: Wikileaks chief Julian Assange, whose own organization operates in utter secrecy, criticized the U.S.'s lack of transparency
quote: Wait, do you seriously think that Kosovo was a "sterile" war? For the US, thats right, the only thing you did was bomb the shit out of the national infrastructure (Which still is far from recovered, the energy situation is still a joke in the region), but for everyone else it wasnt. Very, very many people died, and an appalling number of civilians included. Many european nations had boots on the ground early, and for a good long time.
quote: This was classified for the same reason that the Apache video was: Political dynamite.
quote: So, what are you really getting at here? Wikileaks should be held to the same standard it holds the US govt. to? Even though they are totally different types of groups with different goals and accountability?
quote: While some innocent people have been killed by our soldiers, many more (10x more) were innocents were killed over the same period by the Taliban
quote: Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen condemned the leak at a press conference. Speaking to reporters, Mullen remarked that "Mr. Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing. But the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family."