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iPad 2 with Smart Covers
Steve Jobs announces the iPad 2 in San Francisco

Apple's iPad made a pretty big splash when it hit the market last year (15M sold in 2010). It arguably brought tablets to the mainstream consumer market despite claims from many that it was nothing more than a large iPhone/iPod touch. Apple has laughed all the way to the bank as iPad sales have ballooned to make it one of the most lucrative segments of its business ($9.5B in revenue for 2010).

Today, Apple is looking to build upon the success of its first generation tablet now that the competition is finally catching up (see Motorola Xoom) and none other than Steve Jobs was on hand to announce the iPad 2. The iPad 2 doesn't deviate very far from the original formula, but it does add a few notable advancements over its predecessor including: 

  • Dual-core A5 processor which is supposedly 2x faster than the previous generation A4 while keeping the same power profile
  • Graphics performance is up to 9x faster than the first generation iPad
  • 33 percent slimmer profile (13.4mm cut down to 8.8mm) with tapered edges and a flat back
  • Weight is down to 1.3 pounds from 1.5 pounds
  • Dual cameras (rear and front-facing)
  • Built-in gyroscope
  • Battery life stays the same at 10 hours
  • It will be available in both black and white 
  • Screen resolution stays the same at 1024x768

In a move that was foreshadowed late last year when Verizon began selling iPads bundled with its MiFi portable hotspots, there are versions of the iPad 2 that will work on either Verizon or AT&T’s wireless networks.

Pricing for the iPad 2 stays the same as before (starting at $499) – storage capacities also haven’t budged (16GB, 32GB, 64GB). The iPad 2 will launch March 11.

Perhaps more interesting than the iPad itself is the new Smart Cover that Apple is debuting with the iPad 2. Available in multiple colors, the Smart Cover attaches to the iPad 2 with magnets and folds down to cover the screen, or can fold back to allow the iPad 2 to be used standing up.

The Smart Cover will wake the iPad 2 when you open it, and put the iPad 2 to sleep when you close it (obviously taking advantage of the new proximity sensor). It will be priced at $39 for the polyurethane version and $69 for the leather version. 

Other things to take from the Apple keynote: 

  • Random House is bringing 17,000 titles to iBooks
  • 100 million books have been downloaded
  • ITunes/App Store/iBooks has a combined 200 million users
  • Apple has handed out over $2 billion USD to App Store developers
  • 100 million iPhone have been sold
  • iOS 4.3 will be available download on March 11
  • First-gen iPads will be available with a $100 discount from now until supplies are dried up


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Looks Decent...
By JasonMick (blog) on 3/2/2011 1:41:24 PM , Rating: 5
Given the (relatively) low price and large app catalog, this isn't bad considering it fills in a lot of the weaknesses of the first gen (cameras, faster GPU).

I'm still not sold on this form factor, but it seems like it will be a solid entry, perhaps if you want a tablet.

I'd say the one MAJOR unknown is the amount of RAM. The original iPad had a pathetic 256 MB. This better be bumped to 512 MB, or preferably 1 GB or all that processing "speed" increase will be for naught.

With as little RAM as the first gen has, apps get sluggish when running lots of apps (I've played with and done some dev work for the first gen iPad so I have a bit of first hand experience, but I don't own one -- that said, the lack of memory was quite noticeable during use IMO).




RE: Looks Decent...
By Drag0nFire on 3/2/2011 1:47:36 PM , Rating: 3
With regards to hardware, this brings the iPad much closer to the specs that the Xoom is launching with. Nothing evolutionary, but a incorporates solid iterative improvements.

Both are viable options for anyone considering a tablet, but I think it emphasizes the need for the Xoom to hit the "magic" $500 entry-level price point to be a major player in this tight competitive market.


RE: Looks Decent...
By quiksilvr on 3/2/2011 2:15:39 PM , Rating: 5
Okay, first off, if you keep saying "magical" it's never going to go away.

Second off, $500 entry price for a 10" Wifi tablet is utterly ridiculous, no matter how good the specs are. Give me a Honeycomb-rooted 7" Nook Color for $199 any day.


RE: Looks Decent...
By finbarqs on 3/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Looks Decent...
By Cheesew1z69 on 3/2/2011 2:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yes...we would...


RE: Looks Decent...
By vapore0n on 3/2/2011 2:42:47 PM , Rating: 4
Not trend starter. They didn't invent the phone, they just made it more sleek and attractive. Same with the ipod (music player) and ipad (tablet). They just made them more attractive to the hip users. Like it or not, Apple puts out fine piece of hardware.


RE: Looks Decent...
By GulWestfale on 3/2/2011 10:09:51 PM , Rating: 2
replace 'hip' with 'gullible' and your post makes sense.
also: lol at all the appletards who bought the even more overpriced first version.


RE: Looks Decent...
By tayb on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Looks Decent...
By dark matter on 3/3/2011 2:41:19 AM , Rating: 1
You mean ARM has figured out, not Apple.

They just buy off the shelf components...

FFS! Get a clue.


RE: Looks Decent...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/3/2011 3:38:49 AM , Rating: 5
Right, and this is why other companies were the first to put such a primary emphasis on battery life, even though they have had the same access to the same off-the-shelf parts.

Oh, wait...

Don't confuse availability of technology with design goals. You can have all of the right ingredients, but without the proper design goals you still won't get there. Lord knows how many products there are with what are on paper the right components, but it doesn't come together as well as it should have.


RE: Looks Decent...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 3/3/2011 12:20:51 PM , Rating: 1
I don't consider battery life when purchasing or speccing laptops because they are not "key" to me or my users. Portability, durability and reliability are more crucial.


RE: Looks Decent...
By Mitch101 on 3/2/2011 2:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
Im guessing you saw the $50.00 off buying it from ebay/barns and noble recently. Im tempted to get a second one my kids love it.


RE: Looks Decent...
By chrnochime on 3/2/2011 5:07:22 PM , Rating: 2
Last time I checked Nook still does NOT have honeycomb available. Also there's a big difference between a 7" and a 10" tablet. Not everyone wants to look at a 7" to read texts. Besides the Nook is far less powerful than the Xoom and this.


RE: Looks Decent...
By theapparition on 3/3/2011 8:02:32 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently you didn't do a thorough check, or any check at all for that matter.

A simple check over at XDA forums will find Nookie Honeycomb. Both SD card and eMMC installs.

However, you are correct that the Xoom and iPad2 are better devices, at 2-3X the price. Have to decide if that price is worth it. It is to me, so even though I have a Nook Color, and do love it, I also bought a Xoom.


RE: Looks Decent...
By theapparition on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Looks Decent...
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 2:55:28 PM , Rating: 4
I'm curious. How, specifically, will Apple dominate/take over the enterprise sector solely because it incorporated a feature that it's competitors already had?

Brandon


RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Looks Decent...
By Alexstarfire on 3/2/2011 6:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
By enterprise do you mean business? Because I can't see how the iPad, which BTW hasn't had a 2nd version RELEASED yet (it's released March 11th), will take a large bite out of it. Yes, the other tablet might be more expensive but people won't have to go around re-writting programs just to switch to the iPad. I'm sorry to say, but a Windows driven tablet just fits this market sector better.

On your other post, where exactly did you see that they included HDMI? I don't see it listed in the article. Would be nice if they did, but somehow I doubt they actually added a useful port to their tablet.


RE: Looks Decent...
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 9:02:50 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
So I cannot see


I noticed.

You claim iPad competitors are vaporware despite them currently being on the market, yet you claim Apple has already released the 2nd version at the same time. You somehow think a smaller tablet cannot be competitive. You somehow think a similarly-priced tablet with more features is "more expensive." And lastly you think that Android tablets have 100 apps. Seeing is obviously not your forte.

Nevertheless, if you see no competitors, fair enough. Apple sure does, which is why they are doing everything they can to keep pace with the specs of it's competitors. It's not mere coincidence that they reworked their Javascript rendering engine, considering the thorough trouncing they've been taking.

Brandon


RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/3/2011 1:01:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I noticed.

You claim iPad competitors are vaporware despite them currently being on the market, yet you claim Apple has already released the 2nd version at the same time. You somehow think a smaller tablet cannot be competitive. You somehow think a similarly-priced tablet with more features is "more expensive." And lastly you think that Android tablets have 100 apps. Seeing is obviously not your forte.

Nevertheless, if you see no competitors, fair enough. Apple sure does, which is why they are doing everything they can to keep pace with the specs of it's competitors. It's not mere coincidence that they reworked their Javascript rendering engine, considering the thorough trouncing they've been taking.

Brandon


I was of course talking about the number of apps for Android Honeycomb (ie the version of Android actually designed to run a tablet OS).

http://www.slashgear.com/ios-apps-65000-vs-android...

The implication of your comment is you think that the iPad competitors will actually offer substantive competition in the coming year. So what percentage of the tablet market will Apple have in a year. I say 80% - what do think it will be?


RE: Looks Decent...
By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 3:51:23 PM , Rating: 2
I think looking at numbers like those are meaningless. If apps tailored to tablets is all that mattered then the iPad never would have gotten off the ground to begin with. When it debuted, just like the first Android tablet, it had single digit applications that were specifically made for a tablet. Of course Honeycomb has barely been out a week so it's no surprise it doesn't have a lot of applications just for tablets just yet.

It's like looking at the number of Volts on the road compared to the Nissan Leaf and coming to the conclusion that the Leaf is a failure.


RE: Looks Decent...
By imaheadcase on 3/2/2011 2:57:40 PM , Rating: 1
The Ipad1 sold does not mean anything really. Like all electronic devices, they don't mention return of them, people reselling them, etc. The Ipad was like a MMO when released, promoted the shit out of on any TV show/add. Then its userbase faded away.

The Ipad has FEW uses that are practical outside certain fields. Most the things the Ipad does, you can do with a smartphone for business. Nevermind the fact people who buy that type of device buy it for certain things they need it for and not just because of it being a new thing.


RE: Looks Decent...
By adiposity on 3/2/2011 3:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
Well, at my company there are about 10 iPads that have been purchased by employees (on their own dime). None have been returned. They all love them.

Personally, I think they're idiots, but your implication that lots of iPads get returned seems to be just blowing smoke. Yeah, the iPad is nearly useless, but it has its uses, and there is a large group of idiots ready to pay for them. And they don't return them.


RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Looks Decent...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 3/3/2011 12:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
mostly out of fear and anxiety caused by the vast changes underway which they cannot understand because of their fetishistic clutching onto past, and rapidly fading, certainties.


Wow, if that was not a set 'em up and knock 'em down straw man AND ad hominem logical fallacy combo, inexpertly delivered to make one's own anxiety driven point, then I don't know logic and rhetoric - which I do.


RE: Looks Decent...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Looks Decent...
By Targon on 3/2/2011 9:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
The Church of Scientology also has its followers who claim that Scientology is the most amazing thing in the universe. One group of people claiming it does not make it so.


RE: Looks Decent...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Looks Decent...
By nafhan on 3/2/2011 3:26:50 PM , Rating: 1
Sales <> a good product. I mean, seriously, people have bought millions and millions of Snuggies for f***s sake.

In fact, I'd say up until now, the iPad has been a big failure. Again, not from a sales perspective, but in the sense that all that screen space has essentially been wasted (except for a few games). If they do a good job with things like the new iMovie and Garageband apps, it could actually be a useful device and more than just an oversized smartphone.

Also, how does an HDMI port allow them to take over the education sector? Do you honestly believe that was the only thing holding back the first iPad???


RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/2/2011 7:56:51 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
n fact, I'd say up until now, the iPad has been a big failure.


Just when I thought we had reached the talking bollocks limit for the day someone tops it.

What color is the sky in your world?


RE: Looks Decent...
By Helbore on 3/3/2011 7:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
In his defence, the next line does say "not from a sales perspective." He's simply saying it is a failure as a productivity device, as it doesn't take real advantage of its form factor.

That's a technical assessment and one that has merit to it. No doubt the iPad has been commercially successful for Apple, but he clearly wasn't disputing that point.

A device can be commercial success and a technical failure at the same time. Just like a movie can make a ton of money at the box office and still be crap. Money making = success. Entertainment = failiure.

It's easy to distinguish between these criteria, too. Reading in context is the key.


RE: Looks Decent...
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 3/3/2011 12:28:26 PM , Rating: 2
True. iPads are for users who want to consume information (that can only be fed through Apple approved apps a la AOL) whereas the rest of the market is interested in productivity devices. That's why I chose a laptop as my most recent purchase (and battery life was NOT KEY!), since I spend all of my time producing information, while my kids spend all their time consuming information (and making farty noises with the several fart apps available from Apple.)


RE: Looks Decent...
By Helbore on 3/6/2011 7:14:20 PM , Rating: 2
The "Apple approved apps" that you mention is exactly why the iPad will never make inroads in the Enterprise market. Forget the security issues that usually come up (and also have merit), but think of it from this point of view;

You are a big business who has people out in the field. You want them to be able to enter data into your corporate database whilst out in the field. You already have a massive investment in a database running on Oracle or MS SQL Server, or some other equivalent. You have an in-house dev team who wrote the db and built the current front-end. You now want your on-site employees to carry a tablet where they can enter the data directly, over a 3G connection, using a tablet device - instead of having them write it on paper and send it to an office junior to type in.

Can you do this with an iPad? Well, only if you submit an app to Apple to be approved for sale on the app store. But you're not trying to sell an app to the masses. You aren't an applications developer. You want to write an app that is only for use within your own organisation. Can you do this?

No.

Because of this, the iPad has no use in big business. It's too locked down. Consequently, it will never make it past a cost analysis meeting with management.

This is where Microsoft make their money; in the business sector. This is exactly where the tablet market remains with a big hole. Apple have proven that tablets can work with the right form factor and dedicated OS, but they're unwilling to allow the opnness that would let it thrive in business. Microsoft have now realised the weaknesses of their prior tablet strategy, but have the opportunity to maintain their open platform in the new market.

Will they succeed? I don't know. But I do know that Aplpe hasn't a chance in hell so long as they maintain their current closed-archtiecture mantra - leaving a massive market wide open to whomever has the ability to take it.


RE: Looks Decent...
By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 12:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
You wanting Tony be logical is like you wanting water to be dry.


RE: Looks Decent...
By nafhan on 3/3/2011 10:50:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Just when I thought we had reached the talking bollocks limit for the day
...you can only do so much, right?

Also, +1 internets for taking things out of context! If you want to know what I actually said, read past the part you quoted...


RE: Looks Decent...
By InternetGeek on 3/2/2011 4:23:15 PM , Rating: 1
Actually, to grab another piece of the Enterprise Market iOS would have to improve its security profile. As it is right now it does well for basic/medium security profiles. However, some of the underlying implementations and hardware support have not been certified (PCI, NIS, SEC or even some state disclosure laws) or are just not there.


RE: Looks Decent...
By InternetGeek on 3/2/2011 4:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I meant NIST.

Still, nice to see the improvements. In my case, I'm not sold out on the form factor mostly because certain kind of apps are not there yet and Apple nor Motorola are supporting them.


RE: Looks Decent...
By Conner on 3/2/2011 5:24:55 PM , Rating: 2
Just out of curiosity what would convince you to go out and buy a tablet?


RE: Looks Decent...
By Aikouka on 3/2/2011 1:51:05 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, Jason, and it seems like none of the reports that I've read have actually stated the amount of RAM that the device has, which is a bit of a bummer :(.


RE: Looks Decent...
By killerroach on 3/2/2011 6:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is saying the amount of RAM on the iPad 2 is "not important" and isn't releasing that information as of yet.


RE: Looks Decent...
By B3an on 3/3/2011 12:29:24 AM , Rating: 2
Makes me laugh how Apple can always get away with this. If another company did not release full specs of there product it will hurt sales and many many people would complain. But Apple, as usual, can get away with it.


RE: Looks Decent...
By Tony Swash on 3/3/2011 6:12:00 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Makes me laugh how Apple can always get away with this. If another company did not release full specs of there product it will hurt sales and many many people would complain. But Apple, as usual, can get away with it.


A perfect example of how techies completely, and I do mean totally, misunderstand what matters.

Specs don't matter. That seems shocking right?

But I repeat - specs don't matter.

What matters in the new world of consumer driven technology is how technology makes us feel and what we can do with it.

So the huge added value brought to consumers by the vast Apple eco-system is invisible on a spec list but is crucial in driving consumer purchase decisions.

What also matters is how does something look, what does it feel like, what is the experience like when you interact with it, what do we feel when we use it. It's that that Apple gets right. Hence their domination.

All reports say the iPad 2 feels very fast. And that's all that counts. Not the amount of RAM but does it feel fast. Check this out

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/ipad-2-first-ha...


RE: Looks Decent...
By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 1:16:06 PM , Rating: 2
Specs actually do matter, just not to consumers. Developers do need to know that kind of info. I'm assuming it's available somewhere else they'd just be developing blind.


RE: Looks Decent...
By charrytg on 3/2/2011 5:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Given the (relatively) low price and large app catalog

The question is : relative to what? Relative to their desktops perhaps, but netbooks and low end laptops will still have it beat for price, amount of applications that can be used, and general productivity.

Compared to other tablets - perhaps. But the tablet market is all about profit anyway. The xoom costs nowhere near what they sell it for, the previous ipad did not either, and I doubt that that either the ipad 2 or the galaxy tab as well. Though I was recently informed of an android tablet called a "nextbook" which sells for only $150, and comes with android 2.1 - a recent enough version to benefit from their equally large app catalog. Despite its likely low quality, I might go so far as to say that this "nextbook" is the only tablet worth spending money on.

So far I've not seen much of a point to tablets, at least for the price most sell at. They seem little more than toys and status items, moreso than laptops and possibly smartphones.


Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By TerminalVelocity on 3/2/2011 3:37:10 PM , Rating: 3
I'm no fanboi. You won't see an apple shaved on the back of my head. I own windows boxes, linux boxes and macs - each suited to a particular function. That said, there are a lot of comments here to the tone of "Yeah, the iPad 2 SUX man - its a crappy netbook with no keyboard, it doesn't have the specs of the Xoom, it doesn't run Honeycomb...etc...etc."

What you're neglecting is that the iPad ISN'T DESIGNED FOR GEEKS. If you've got a 5 foot tall Thermaltake Tower with more godawful neon lights than Las Vegas at Christmas, and you submit benchmarks daily about how you've added an extra half megahertz of overclock - this isn't the device for you. Go borrow an extra $799 from your mother and go get a Xoom instead.

Your MOM, however, who might be loaning you that money, probably went to the store and bought that iPad 2 you hate so much because it is something she can easily understand, relate to, and more importantly USE while you are busy shopping for that Xoom wearing your QuakeCon '99 t-shirt.

I understand your mentality because that was me until real life rudely interrupted my play time. Simple, easy, reliable and adequately performing now trump flashy and customizable, and that is ok. It's not bad, it's not crap. Yes, its not "Magical" either. It IS a very well designed device well suited to its intended uses and target audience. The quality of many apps (iMovie for example) will also help to sell the device. Yes, Apple (and the iPad itself) are not exactly revolutionary. They DID, however, essentially invent the CATEGORY of marketable and useable consumer tablet. They didn't invent the device, they were the first to refine it into a desireable, useable, saleable product. Remember how the ipod wasn't spec'ed better than other MP3 players? Well, what happened to all of them? They were harder to use, and they LOST. Same story here.

Don't automatically hate a product and state that it is crap simply because you dislike it for purely subjective reasons. It may not be good for you, but in this case the iPad is obviously great for millions of other people.

Also remember, competition is good for you. It makes products cheaper, it gives you more selection. It delivers better quality. Therefore, the existence of multiple competitors in the tablet space will help deliver a device that is ideal for your needs. Who knows, it might even be an iPad.




By Aloonatic on 3/2/2011 4:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
Doh, accidentally down-rated you, so will comment to negate it. hope that your common sense comment gets the respect that it deserves.


By Maharajamd on 3/2/2011 4:28:19 PM , Rating: 1
Hear hear!


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 4:37:15 PM , Rating: 1
A sane post here, amazing


By chrnochime on 3/2/2011 5:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
And you're still going with the cliched stereotype of Geek=Living in parents' basement leeching off them. Way to go. And not all those who don't like Apple like "more godawful neon lights than Las Vegas at Christmas".

By the way, I can at least say that the company iphone 3GS which I am STUCK with is not "useable" product. Not when it needs to be rebooted ever so often because it simply freezes(I have the latest iOS) even when I'm just making a freaking phone call. I don't give a rat's @ss how well it's designed; When the thing doesn't even do the basic thing, which is allow me to make a phone call, it's a piece of crap. Simple as that.


By NanoTube1 on 3/2/2011 5:25:10 PM , Rating: 2
How dare you interrupt the daily-tech mud throwing ceremony with logical posts?!
Sheesh... get a life!


By MeesterNid on 3/2/2011 5:53:08 PM , Rating: 2
+1 to you, sir. I ran out votes already :)


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By Subzero0000 on 3/2/2011 8:29:53 PM , Rating: 2
Thank you TerminalVelocity ! nice post !

I really can't agree with any of those apple-haters' logic. They are getting more irrational and ignoring the whole picture (the market).

What Android is lacking is quality apps.
I own an Android phone (2.2) for quite a while, but it still nothing compare to the iPod Touch that I used to play with.
And I had to mention "2.2 version" because the versioning fragmentation simply does not help the situation.
Xoom is gotta be 3.0, new phones are 2.3, most phone currently are 2.2, some phones are still 2.1.
It's a pain in the a** for both developers and users.

Having the best hardware doesn't win you the war, go develop some quality apps for Android if you care so much !


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 9:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
You're seriously going to throw the "Android has no apps" argument out there? What world do you people live in? And fragmentation? Seriously?

It's like arguing with somebody from Fox News.

Brandon


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By Subzero0000 on 3/2/2011 10:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
bplewis24, You're seriously going to take my words out of context just
like that? Seriously ?

It's like arguing with somebody from Onion News.

I can't believe you can just filter out the word "QUALITY" in my whole comments.

It's Quality that is really matter. Not Quantity !


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 2:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think you should tell that to Apple which only boasts about the amount of applications they have and how many downloads they get.


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/3/2011 3:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Pretending that Android has as large a number of high quality applications as iOS (ignore the shovelware) is delusion of the highest order. Like it for carrier reasons, for being able to hack it and customize it, whatever, but for number of quality apps? No way.


By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 3:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
When did I say that?


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/3/2011 3:20:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, the number of high quality apps for Android is pretty darn low. A reason for this is a customer base that apparently doesn't like buying applications, therefore keeping developers away and perpetuating an anemic catalog. Android is two years old and the library is still much smaller and of a lower quality than iOS.

It is actually more profitable developing for Windows Phone 7, a platform that is only three months old and a fraction the size of Android.

http://wmpoweruser.com/more-evidence-developers-ea...
http://wmpoweruser.com/despite-the-size-of-the-mar...

When people wonder why John Carmack doesn't port the Rage engine to iOS, why Unreal Engine 3 isn't on iOS, why so many popular high quality iOS apps aren't on Android, well, that's why. Gotta spend some cash if you want the apps.

I dunno, maybe Android users on tablets will spend more on applications and developers will stop being wary of the platform. We'll see.


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By SkullOne on 3/3/2011 9:29:12 AM , Rating: 3
The quality apps are there. When I kicked my piece of crap iPhone 3G to the curb (just after 3GS was released) for my Droid I found the same apps on both devices. What a concept right? Why code for one device when you can code for two and make even more money? ;)

The problem is finding them amid the trash. Thus why Google needs some sort of basic vetting process to weed out the garbage.

As for your "fragmentation" BS. Funny how developers are simply updating apps right now for Android 2.3 and it "magically" works across 90% of all Android devices. Yeah, lots of fragmentation there... Apple fanbois need to stop using that stupid buzzword as it means NOTHING.

Android 3.0 is Tablet only.
Android 2.1 or better is on 90% of all Android devices. Roughly 58% of that is Android 2.2.
Android 2.3 is only officially on two phones at the moment.
Android 1.5 and 1.6 are about 4% and 6% respectively however, those are EOL devices so those don't really matter (just like iPhone and iPhone 3G don't matter anymore).

http://www.androidcentral.com/android-21-and-now-9...

Eventually (most likely in the next Android release called Ice Cream) Android 3.0 and Android 2.3/2.4 (2.4 rumored to be better dual-core support only) will merge into a single Android version for Tablets and Phones alike.


By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 2:21:43 PM , Rating: 2
Really the only problem is between 1.x and 2.x. 1.x is pretty old now so that's like crying that the 3G can't run some applications that the iPhone 4 can.


RE: Lots of equally egotistical "haters" here
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 9:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
It's people like you that reduce the conversation of Apple vs ____ to idiotic drivel and rhetoric. The very tired argument of "yeah the i___ may not be the best, but at least my Mom can use it because it's simple and doesn't require you to be a geek" is one of the biggest forms of marketing FUD propogated by Apple thus far.

Simply because you can do more with a Honeycomb tablet and you CAN geek out with it, doesn't mean it's required to use it properly. The very reason why Anandtech rated the Honeycomb tablet so highly is because,
quote:
"Honeycomb feels a lot like Google’s take on iOS without sacrificing any of what makes Android unique. It’s a healthy combination of the appliance-like iOS without giving up any of the user facing customization & flexibility that Android users love."


In other words, it's just as simple and elegant and intuitive as iOS, but better, AND can be geeked out for those who are into that sort of thing.

Take your tired, cliched and typical defense somewhere else. Learn another argument to help you escape reality.

Brandon


By TerminalVelocity on 3/2/2011 10:58:03 PM , Rating: 3
Brandon...brandon...brandon. I don't think you read the end of my post. I'm not saying that the Xoom is bad. I'm not even saying that it isn't better than the iPad 2. What I AM saying is that there are REASONS why the iPad is successful, and why it IS good for a large number of people. My other point is that the iPad's success provides great competition, which, in turn, encourages other companies like Motorola, Samsung, HTC, Viewsonic, HP etc. to do BETTER.

You can't simply just look at the hardware spec and declare something crap. You can't even just look at the OS and declare something crap. All you can really do is examine the FUNCTIONAL spec - i.e. how well the device performs at given tasks for specific users, to determine if a device is good. What is good for you might not be good for me. Yes, I agree that I resorted to some generalizations in the comment, but rather than getting your knickers in a twist - try to read the overall tone and note that they were humour, and self-deprecating humour at that. As I stated quite clearly, I belonged, and somewhat still belong to the very demographic (quakecon '99, uber-performance-gamer) that I was poking fun at.

I was trying, as a bit of an entertainment exercise, to turn the discussion from a simple "your device sucks - no YOUR device sucks" grade 1 war of words into a rational discussion about why the iPad 2 may be good or great for some people.

I wasn't bashing Android, regardless of release. I wasn't bashing the Xoom - in fact I think it looks like an excellent and open alternative to the iPad. I was just trying to jolt some folks out of their tired old Apple is crap because it is Apple mentality. There are some very valid reasons why Apple sells ridiculous numbers of iPhones, iPads, iPods and laptops. Most of these reasons centre around what a lot of people consider ease of use - for them. They're honestly not concerned about specifications. They don't care if they can see a filesystem. What matters to them is that they can turn a device on and know how to accomplish a specific task. There may be other value to them as well.

Yes, Apple sells a lot of devices because they are "pretty". However, "pretty" MAY be a function of a good design. There are excellent Apple examples where all you got was pretty - the G4 cube being a good one. However, ALL manufacturers are guilty of this problem at some point in their career. The Corvair was a great looking car, but you really wouldn't want to own one (unless you are a collector) to bring the analogy to cars. Sony has some egregious examples of this as well.

I like Android as a developer because I have multiple ways to get apps into the hands of clients. I would HIGHLY recommend the Xoom to some of my business customers for this very fact. However, it suits their particular needs at a particular time.

I like iOS as a consumer because I (and note this is a PERSONAL preference) find it more intuitive to use than Android. Have you used iOS? Have you used Honeycomb? Can you make a direct comparison between the two? I have used both (iOS 4.3 developer preview and Honeycomb developer preview). I have lots of likes and dislikes with both.

Again, to re-iterate my point: I am not saying universally that one is better than the other. I am not defending Apple's marketing tactics. I am simply trying to change the argument from mudslinging to a useful discussion for readers - where they can get individual impressions of what someone likes and dislikes from hands on use.

The MOM argument is not FUD either. Mine couldn't figure out Android 2.x on a Galaxy Tab to save her life. She DID figure out the iPad. Why? I suspect the answer is familiarity. She'd already used the system on an iPod touch. That is an indication that the iOS ecosystem has bred familiarity which makes it easy to understand and use across the entire range of iOS devices. THAT is where Android fragmentation is a problem. Try getting an absolutely non-technical user to switch from a Motorola Droid skinned phone to an HTC skinned phone on another network and you'll understand how simplicity and familiarity can help A) Sell devices AND B)Generate and maintain mindshare.

Yes, you don't like Apple's marketing tactics. I'm not fond of them sometimes either. Yes, you don't like Apple devices. The important thing to think about is why. Why don't you like them? If you have specific reasons, then find a device that meets your needs. There is NOTHING wrong with that. But, be careful when you accuse people who like something else of idiocy, irrationality, or belonging to a Cult. Sometimes, these accusations may be right. The majority of the time, however, someone has made a decision based on a personal need or desire being met - and that is both rational and logical.

Will I buy an iPad 2? I don't know at this point. Will I buy a Xoom? Again, same answer. Will I develop for both - absolutely. What do I LIKE about the iPad 2, having never used one? Well, the weight sounds good. I LIKE the form factor. The battery life is excellent. I enjoy the OS. What do I NOT like? I'd like a higher resolution rear camera, an SD card slot and more output options. Does the Xoom have these? Yep, and those are reasons I like it as well.

Let's try to keep the discussion civil. Your line of "Take your tired, cliched (sic) and typical defense somewhere else. Learn another argument to help you escape reality." is uncalled for and unnecessary. Rather than taking personal insult from the fact that I might enjoy the iPad, try to enjoy your use of Android and say what you like about it without all of the rhetoric. It is actually vitriolic rhetoric like yours that is truly tired and cliched, and polarizes these discussions into the completely useless name calling they always become instead of useful discussions to help people make informed decisions.


By Conner on 3/3/2011 12:54:16 PM , Rating: 2
Funny that you mention the G4 Cube, We have one running in our house, and up until we got a mini server, it was used as a great torrent machine. Its hard to believe that it out lasted the iMac G5 we got, but as long as the vent is able to ventilate it will keep on running.
For decade old hardware the things it cant do, flash, hd movies, spotlight, (it runs 10.4) it has more features than when it shipped with os 9.
Its great for surfing the web (sans ads and flash), writing papers, learning c/objective-c, watching tv. And the plus is it runs Classic OS natively to play old school mac games.
Not too many people can claim they have a machine running and used from that time period.
I would say that it was designed well, and I hope my new laptop can last that long.


By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 2:23:13 PM , Rating: 1
Talk about a TL;DR post.


By KoolAidMan1 on 3/3/2011 3:17:20 PM , Rating: 2
Best post in the discussion


By Boze on 3/3/2011 1:52:48 AM , Rating: 1
What you're neglecting is that the Xoom and basically every Honeycomb tablet are as simple to use as the iPad.

The veterans center at my university has three iPads available for use. I've spent about 10 hours using them. I constantly ask myself, "What's the point of this device? What can I do with this that I cannot do just as easily with my 10.1" netbook??" I've only spent about 30 minutes using a Motorola Xoom, but I can tell you I had the same impression using it.

The one thing I didn't think was, "Gosh, the iPad sure is easier to use than was that Xoom!" They were both equally easy to use, and they both seemed equally outclassed by netbooks. I guess for some people, they might like the form factor, but there are plenty of $500 to $800 netbooks that can provide close to 10 hours of battery of life, and also allow you to use OS X, Windows 7, or Linux.

Computers nowadays are easy to use. If your parents can't use them, its because they're too lazy to watch videos. You don't even have to read thick, obtuse instruction manuals nowadays. All you have to do is go to any number of websites and watch videos all day long, and you can learn how to do anything you'd ever want to do.

Let me repeat that. For anyone, no matter how old or how young, if you can't use the computers that are available nowadays, you are a lazy... shitbag... that... will... not... even... watch... movies... End. Of. Story.


Xoom competitor
By lwright84 on 3/2/2011 2:29:18 PM , Rating: 5
Funny how he ranted about copycats and claims 2011 to be the year of the iPad2, when last week the Xoom launched with the same or better features, and a more advanced OS. Dual-core, front\rear facing cameras, HDMI out... all standard on the Xoom already (only combined with a scalable CPU, double the RAM, higher resolution screen, and user-expandable storage;not to mention free upgrade to LTE and Flash capabilities coming within the month).

Not only that, but he has the audacity to show the Honeycomb logo with a pitiful counter of "100 apps" in comparison to the iPad's 60,000+ apps... it's only been out for 4 days jackass! Unbelievable.

Things like the above cause me to take all the respect I *do* have for Apple and dismiss it entirely. For every smart\sleek design, intuitive software, or industry-leading device they release always seems to come along with such nonsensical, egotistical baggage.




RE: Xoom competitor
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 3:02:00 PM , Rating: 5
While those things cause you to lose respect for them, those same traits are exactly what keeps all of the Apple zealots blindly believing that their latest/greatest product is the best on the market.

Apple touts features that competitors already have as being magical on their devices, and ignores any features they don't have or claims they are unnecessary or even bad things.

For the technically-uninformed or incompetent, this is all the rhetoric they need to justify their narrow-minded scope of view. It keeps them finely tuned into ONLY Apple devices and shelling out cash religiously and consistently.

People may not like it, but it works. I only wish that people who were Apple fans could be more objective and admit things that are obvious to everybody who resides outside of the distortion reality field.

Brandon


RE: Xoom competitor
By cochy on 3/2/2011 3:17:47 PM , Rating: 3
Sorry guys, but you can't really say "Apple fans" anymore because iOS devices are mainstream. I just got back from Australia and iPhones are every where there.

You can deny it till the cows come home but Apple puts out quality devices that lots and lots of people use and come back for more and might hardly know who Steve Jobs is.


RE: Xoom competitor
By nafhan on 3/2/2011 3:31:16 PM , Rating: 3
Justin Bieber is also mainstream. That doesn't mean I like his music, and it doesn't mean he can't have fans.


RE: Xoom competitor
By cochy on 3/3/2011 9:28:13 AM , Rating: 2
You misunderstand my meaning. The context in which people use "Apple fan" to mean everyone buying iStuff is a devoted follower of the Church of Jobs.


RE: Xoom competitor
By InternetGeek on 3/2/2011 4:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
I've noticed that when people down under ask you why dont you have an iXYZ and you say its because you don't like it they become quite defensive. Might be a trait of the Apple fan but that would be anecdotal. Still kinda like 'he will come around. All children do'.


RE: Xoom competitor
By ie5x on 3/3/2011 1:46:40 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is almost a religion now.... people believe them with their eyes closed to the facts. That might be very bad or not bad at all the way you look at it. I keep a clear distinction between what gives me bang for my buck and what doesn't and Apple surely sucks in this department.


RE: Xoom competitor
By MDGeek on 3/2/11, Rating: -1
RE: Xoom competitor
By lwright84 on 3/2/2011 4:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
No one denies that they make a quality product, its just that they make it long after someone else has, put it a more attractive shell, and then label it "magical" or "revolutionary", and the lapdogs eat it up.

I never said I hate Apple, either. I think they have great hardware\software if you're willing to chain yourself to their platform and empty your pockets year after year. That isnt an insult either, it's just the reality of their business model.

That's kind of the whole point here... Apple is consistently playing catch-up, and their flock is always ignorantly defending them as being revolutionary trend-setters that everyone else is just jealous of and trying to copy.


RE: Xoom competitor
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 8:28:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's kind of the whole point here... Apple is consistently playing catch-up


How is releasing an annual hardware update "playing catch-up"? The idea that an annual refresh of a product that defines the category (products like the Xoom and the Galaxy Tab literally would not exist if it wasn't for the commercial success of the iPad) is "catching up" is bizarre to me.

John Carmack ported the Rage engine to iOS, Unreal Engine 3 is on iOS, there are countless productivity, creative, educational, augmented reality, etc etc apps on the platform. Ask which mobile platform is "playing catch up" and iOS would be last on any sane person's list.


RE: Xoom competitor
By rlandess on 3/2/2011 6:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say Apple perfects anything they make. They make products that work - without a fuss - for people who don't like to think too much. Apple has made a lot of quality devices over the years. But their MO isn't quality it's fashion = profit. They have identified marketing paradigm that works for a large portion of the population and have virulently comeback from the edge of a destruction after a long string of failures and apathetic management.

Apple has enjoyed a good comeback thanks to the iPod the iPhone and now the iPad. But doesn't it feel like their brand has become popular for the ironic value that all hipsters feed off of? Apple has been able to profit a lot off of the image of a 20 something underemployed, unshaven, coffeehouse dwelling, skinny jean wearing, VW driving technophobe. It's the demographic most people want to be in. if you're in high school you'd rather be in college, if your out of college you'd rather be somewhere in the past, if your 40 and have a family you understand you will never fit in skinny jeans again.

Apple can't sustain themselves without constantly finding someone else's new ideas and branding it as their own. Tablets were invented long before the iPad. Smart phones were there before the iPhone, mp3 players were there before the iPod. What Apple brings to the table is closed platforms, aesthetics, and a lot of marketing. They take a product on the fringe of the market and bring to the mainstream in a way that is palatable for most, make it cool for young adults and everyone else falls on the bandwagon.

...quality is at least tertiary to profitable and stylish.


RE: Xoom competitor
By MDGeek on 3/3/11, Rating: -1
RE: Xoom competitor
By rlandess on 3/2/2011 6:57:51 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't say Apple perfects anything they make. They make products that work - without a fuss - for people who don't like to think too much. Apple has made a lot of quality devices over the years. But their MO isn't quality it's fashion = profit. They have identified marketing paradigm that works for a large portion of the population and have virulently comeback from the edge of a destruction after a long string of failures and apathetic management.

Apple has enjoyed a good comeback thanks to the iPod the iPhone and now the iPad. But doesn't it feel like their brand has become popular for the ironic value that all hipsters feed off of? Apple has been able to profit a lot off of the image of a 20 something underemployed, unshaven, coffeehouse dwelling, skinny jean wearing, VW driving technophobe. It's the demographic most people want to be in. if you're in high school you'd rather be in college, if your out of college you'd rather be somewhere in the past, if your 40 and have a family you understand you will never fit in skinny jeans again.

Apple can't sustain themselves without constantly finding someone else's new ideas and branding it as their own. Tablets were invented long before the iPad. Smart phones were there before the iPhone, mp3 players were there before the iPod. What Apple brings to the table is closed platforms, aesthetics, and a lot of marketing. They take a product on the fringe of the market and bring to the mainstream in a way that is palatable for most, make it cool for young adults and everyone else falls on the bandwagon.

...quality is at least tertiary to profitable and stylish.


RE: Xoom competitor
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 8:16:15 PM , Rating: 2
It's a shame I used up all my votes. Excellent post


RE: Xoom competitor
By Divide Overflow on 3/2/2011 9:40:28 PM , Rating: 1
We wouldn't spend so much time reading and writing about it if the media wasn't shoving every tiny thing that Apple did into our face.


RE: Xoom competitor
By MDGeek on 3/3/11, Rating: -1
wow
By Shadowmaster625 on 3/2/2011 1:58:32 PM , Rating: 3
With that cover, they have re-invented the netbook. For twice the price and half the capabilities. Are yuppies really that friggin stupid? Never mind... I dont want to know.




RE: wow
By Aloonatic on 3/2/2011 4:22:54 PM , Rating: 3
The advantage is that the "yuppies" (are we still in teh 80s?) is that the re-invented netbook might theoretically do less than a netbook (actually, what can an Atom powered, non ion netbook do that an iPad can't? That you'd want to do on a netbook rather than any other PC in the house?) but anyone can easily and confidently use it. For what most people want to do, the "half of the capabilities" that you mention are the half that many people actually want to do, or do regularly, easily and on the move.

The blind Apple (and tablet) hate on this board never ceases to amuse me.

When will the people on here get that most people out there in the rest of the world are happy to pay a premium for a simple, attractive and usable piece of technology as long as it does what they want. Sure, you might be able to do more with less for cheaper if you have the time to set something up or whatever, but most people don't want to, and I don't see why they should either.

What you see as value in a product is not the only perspective on it. The value and price premium for not having to tinker or mess about with something else is well worth the money to many people.


RE: wow
By bplewis24 on 3/2/2011 9:37:44 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, how delusional are you people? You do realize that the same product that you can "do more with" does NOT require any more "setting up or whatever" than an iProduct does, don't you?

Step out of the Reality Distortion Field for a minute, let the archaic rhetoric go, and actually learn something about the products you're discussing.

It doesn't take a geek to set up an Android Honeycomb tablet. You don't have to root it to get it to work properly. You don't have to spend hours learning how to set it up in order to get the added value out of it. It comes user-friendly out of the box, AND comes with all of the extras that people here want.

Do you see it now? It's the elegant, simple and functional OS with the geek option available to you. Sometimes it's as if you Apple defenders are arguing that people shouldn't buy the faster car because it can only be faster IF it's a stick-shift. Well, guess what? You can still buy the faster car in an automatic transmission. Get with the times. With the competition, you have OPTIONS.

Brandon


RE: wow
By kmmatney on 3/2/2011 9:57:40 PM , Rating: 2
I probably hated Apple as much as you do, until I got my iPhone 3GS for work, with monthly bill %100 paid for. You know what? The iPhone is pretty awesome. I'll be buying an iPad2 as well, as I'd rather have a 4:3 tablet, and want something at $500 or less. I jailbroke my phone to have unlimited tethering, so the WiFi-only version will be perfect. With Jailbreaking, I have plenty of geek options as well.


RE: wow
By Aloonatic on 3/3/2011 8:25:34 AM , Rating: 3
Dude, FWI, I have not bought, and almost certainly never will, buy an Apple product. Not until they open it up and let third parties sell hardware that supports OSX and iOS.

You might also notice, if you weren't reading my comment with the usual prejudice that I also referred to tablets as a whole. You mention Honeycomb tablets, when talking about these devices being for yuppies, no doubt thinking that they have more money than sense, which is amusing, as Apple tablets really aren't that higher priced, indeed the Xoom is hardly a cheap piece of kit, so falls foul of your criticism too? Even though you go on to use Honeycomb tablets as an ideal, it seems? That just doesn't make sense.

You see, what you've done is talked about netbooks when moaning about the price of the iPad, not tablets. Then in your reply to my reply to me, toy started to rant on about honeycomb tablets??? Sorry, but that's just so far beyond stupid, as to be unreal. Sadly not unusual here when someone with such a blind hatred of Apple has the red mist roll over them.
quote:
With that cover, they have re-invented the netbook. For twice the price and half the capabilities. Are yuppies really that friggin stupid? Never mind... I don't want to know.
Are you seriously suggesting that the only (soon to be) commercial available Honeycomb tablet wont also be just a " re-invented [the] netbook. For twice the price and half the capabilities."? Indeed, the zoom is $599 on a 24 month contract, you do realise that.

If I ever see the need, personally, to buy a tablet, I'll be amazed if it's not a Honeycomb device, I understand all the things that you were ranting on about, in your patronising and childish way, but that wasn't what you were talking about when I replied to you.

Grow up.

*sighs*

The only saving grace is that at least you seem to get that using a tablet is, for many, much easier than using a Windows or OSx netbook, which is what I was getting at. It's just a shame that your blind hatred of Apple (which is the distortion field that is most often visible around here, not the pro-Apple one as is often suggest) is still making people make themselves look silly and write rubbish. I just can't wait until Android and maybe even WinMo7 based tablets are on the market and we can discuss the merits of tablets in general in an adult manner. Rather than just hating on them by default because Apple is the only company makes popular versions of them.


RE: wow
By Solandri on 3/2/2011 6:26:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With that cover, they have re-invented the netbook. For twice the price and half the capabilities. Are yuppies really that friggin stupid?

You'd be surprised. The entire SUV craze during the 1990s was like that. The car companies made SUVs which actually had less cargo capacity than a station wagon, but had the tough image of being able to go off-road (where 99% of them never went), and most importantly weren't a station wagon like your parents drove you around in when you were kids. The manufacturers were raking in >$10k profit margins per vehicle, vs. $500-$1500 for a typical car.

One thing Apple gets right though is the UI. That's what really disappointed me about netbooks. When they started they were running a simplified Linux GUI which quickly let you run the "important" apps - web browser, email, photo viewer, media player. Maybe a couple productivity apps. All of this with a lightweight, clean, simple UI which a 4-year old could figure out how to use.

But somehow the market for them got steered to "small Windows laptop" which added a lot of complexity to the software and UI, at which point they got subsumed by the regular laptop market. The low-end "so simple your grandma could use it" UI segment of the market got taken over by the iPad.


teehee
By wiz220 on 3/2/2011 3:26:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
...but it does add a few notable advancements over its predecessor including:

-Screen resolution stays the same at 1024x768



Screen resolution staying the same is pretty notable I suppose, I would have expected it to be upgraded.




RE: teehee
By Aloonatic on 3/2/2011 4:11:03 PM , Rating: 3
Wouldn't increasing the screen resolution have had implications for "app" compatibility between iPad1 and iPad2?

I guess keeping it the same makes that 9x graphics performance possible.

From the short time that I have used an iPad1 for, the screen resolution never really seemed to be an issue, so I guess there's no point in increasing it really.


RE: teehee
By Solandri on 3/2/2011 6:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
The screen resolution is actually the reason I haven't gotten one. I used to keep my sheet music collection on an old tablet PC with a 1400x1050 12" screen that I bought for $400. That had sufficient resolution to be able to read notes easily and clearly. I tried rescaling everything to 1024x768 to see what it would be like, and it's just not enough to cleanly display a sheet of music.

quote:
Wouldn't increasing the screen resolution have had implications for "app" compatibility between iPad1 and iPad2?

Yes, but that's due to poor planning on Apple's part. Instead of making all the UI elements scalable from the beginning, they made them fixed size for the iPhone. Scalable icons, widgets, and text were all problems which were solved (mostly by Apple, ironically enough) back in the 1980s with the advent of WSYIWYG and Postscript. The primary constraint on them used to be the time it took to do a bicubic resampling of an image (icon, widget, text) to create a smooth resized version. But computers have gotten so much faster now that Firefox resamples images in real-time to make them fit in your browser. A phone/tablet should have absolutely no problem with it.


RE: teehee
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 11:22:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Wouldn't increasing the screen resolution have had implications for "app" compatibility between iPad1 and iPad2?


It won't break compatibility if they double the resolution. They did the same thing with the iPhone 4 in order to maintain compatibility with applications that hadn't yet scaled up their graphics.

Increasing the resolution to 2048x1536 seems likely, it's just a matter of mobile GPU power intersecting with reasonable power consumption and heat. We'll probably see this in another year.


RE: teehee
By Alexstarfire on 3/3/2011 3:42:06 PM , Rating: 2
It might scale well, but I can't see that kind of res getting pushed for quite a while. The simple problem is the size. That's a huge resolution for a rather small screen. Even if they could make it it'd be quite expensive.


RE: teehee
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/3/2011 8:54:24 PM , Rating: 2
I believe that that is what the $3.5 billion in cash that Apple outlaid for an "undisclosed" component is for. It is like when they cornered the market on flash memory in the mid-2000s, the investment paid off over the next few years in iPods and iPhones. Laying out that much cash ensures that they could get something like a double-res display for the iPad without changing the $500 pricetag.

The main thing holding it back isn't pixel density. The iPhone 4 display is actually more dense than what a double-res display on the iPad would be. The thing holding it back are mobile GPUs. In another year, I reckon they will be powerful enough to drive such a high res display while keeping the same 10 hour battery life and without burning a hole in the back of the device.


RE: teehee
By Alexstarfire on 3/4/2011 3:57:59 AM , Rating: 2
And I believe that the price of said device is going to be outrageous. If what you say is true and that in 1 year they have GPUs capable of keeping up with performance then answer me this: Why aren't we seeing this kind of resolution in laptop or desktop displays for the cheap? They certainly have the capability to keep up. Probably would suck up quite a bit of juice to do so, but it could be done. I say it's because screens with that resolution are very costly. They could certainly do it, but if they do I'd almost guarantee it'd be at a loss or a price hike for the device.


Release date
By Ralos on 3/2/2011 1:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or I can't see any release date in here? March 11 for the iOS 4.3, but what about the iPad 2 per se? Did DailyTech forgot to report this or is this one of the details Apple haven't disclosed yet (same thing as for the "new" amount of RAM).




RE: Release date
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/2/2011 1:59:18 PM , Rating: 2
March 11


RE: Release date
By Ralos on 3/2/2011 2:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
I just saw on another site that the amount of RAM has been upgraded to 512Mb too.


RE: Release date
By Souka on 3/2/2011 3:13:24 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't there a movie being realsed Mach 11th... that entails the takeover of the world by machines... hmmmm...


RE: Release date
By Ralos on 3/2/2011 1:59:58 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, the article has just been updated. It wasn't there one minute ago.


iPad failed to deliver what I wanted.
By lemonadesoda on 3/2/2011 6:52:46 PM , Rating: 2
No SD card = No quick and direct view of photos by pulling an SD card out of a "proper" camera. Shame. Great way to share photos with the family rather than standing around a PC screen.

"Gyro, accelerometer, and compass", but no GPS to actually know where you are, navigate or give you location specific information -> that would have been #1 in my book for Apple, location dependent advertising.

1024x768 is poor. I was hoping for higher pixel density for even better photo display and e-book legibility. But no.

HD video, and reading PDFs on the screen, needs significantly more than 768 in the "y".

I would love to love it. But no. I'm disappointed. Guess I need to wait until 2012 and iPad 3.




By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 8:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
2x resolution display is what I really need to upgrade. Still, reducing the thickness on top of increasing performance is a huge plus. It is thinner than an iPhone 4 and about as thick as my Amazon Kindle 3. I love holding the Kindle 3, so I know that the iPad will be perfect for tablet usage.

But yeah, 2048x1536, sexy, and I bet we'll see it next year.


By raejae on 3/4/2011 9:00:12 AM , Rating: 2
SD card - available with the camera kit.

GPS - available on 3G models. Check the specs

Pixel density, I can agree with--yet I can understand the logic of not introducing yet another resolution for devs to adapt to. Hopefully Apple's work on Lion with resolution independence will filter down to iOS and we won't have to worry about getting exact resolutions or multiples of them.


Still waiting
By Da W on 3/2/2011 1:43:06 PM , Rating: 3
Still waiting for an AMD fusion powered windows 8 tablet. Till then, my desktop/phone/touchscreen laptop will do fine.




RE: Still waiting
By silverblue on 3/2/2011 2:48:16 PM , Rating: 2
You'll be waiting a while for that. We'll probably be on the next generation Fusion APUs by then.


We'll see...
By MrTeal on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: We'll see...
By theapparition on 3/2/2011 1:54:05 PM , Rating: 3
Ah, this is Apple we are talking about. No company in history has ever inflated thier performance claims more than Apple.


RE: We'll see...
By Taft12 on 3/2/2011 2:06:14 PM , Rating: 2
They're all equally guilty, and this has been SOP in this industry for many years now.

Find the most obscure benchmark that shows the widest possible gap between your product and your competitor, then plaster that number all over your marketing materials.


YOUUUUU PEOPLE...
By NanoTube1 on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: YOUUUUU PEOPLE...
By zaaf on 3/2/2011 3:58:46 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, whatever happened to reader1?


RE: YOUUUUU PEOPLE...
By NanoTube1 on 3/2/2011 5:07:38 PM , Rating: 2
reader1 was decommissioned and replaced by the next-gen tony swash model.


RE: YOUUUUU PEOPLE...
By reader1 on 3/2/2011 6:12:05 PM , Rating: 1
No, I died and am reincarnated as Authur MacStrawman - look it up.

*gets into faux character*

Apple is on a roll. Xoom is already gone and apple is set to sell an ipad every 28 days for the ladies.


resolution???
By XZerg on 3/2/2011 1:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
What resolution does it have? 1600x1200 or what?




RE: resolution???
By XZerg on 3/2/2011 2:28:56 PM , Rating: 2
not sure why the post got down-rated as the original article didn't specify the resolution until at last. Most articles i found about the release today also didn't mention the resolution.

1024x768... meh.


Arm A5 - LOL
By Acanthus on 3/2/11, Rating: 0
RE: Arm A5 - LOL
By soulcarver on 3/2/2011 3:10:58 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple is reportedly looking to outsource the production of its A4 processor as well as the next-generation ARM Cortex-A9-based A5 processor..."

This proc is not an A5, Apple just got "creative" with the name.


RE: Arm A5 - LOL
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 3/2/2011 3:25:34 PM , Rating: 2
A5 is the name of the processor, not the processor architecture (which is probably ARM A9).


Ipad 2
By Morelian on 3/2/2011 4:44:18 PM , Rating: 2
The IPAD2 looks pretty solid from what I can see, its not a perfect device, but I'd like to buy one. I have the original IPAD-32 gb/att 3g and it does pretty much what I would want a tablet to do.

I can read books in bed without turning on the reading light, I can take the device to work and surf and check email when I have a spare moment, and I can sit in the family room and put on the headphones and listen to pandora or read while the kids are watching something silly on the TV. On trips its useful to toss in the backseat and keep the kids pacified for an hour or two and the battery life is long enough so that keeping it going isn't a problem.

As to the Ipad 2, I doubt I'll be doing movies and such with it but I can see taking the occasional snapshot and Facetime seems useful when I have a Facetime buddy.

Sure the book reading can be done with a kindle or nook, but
the other things aren't there-the main sacrifice is not being able to read books in the sunlight.

I predict Apple will sell a lot of these-and a lot will go to Ipad users who will pass their original Ipad on down the food chain.




RE: Ipad 2
By lightfoot on 3/2/2011 7:05:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I predict Apple will sell a lot of these-and a lot will go to Ipad users who will pass their original Ipad on down the food chain.

Exactly as Apple planned. There is nothing in this device that shouldn't have been in the first iPad. Hell, the iPhone4 had most of these features and was released before the iPad.

Apple left out $5 worth of components (the two cameras) in the original iPad so that they could screw you out of an additional $500 a year later.


Just sad...
By MeesterNid on 3/2/2011 5:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
that supposedly technical folks would have that much bias and pure hatred against a company that produces good products. Some of the comments and arguments here sound on the level somewhere between 7-th and 9-th grade.

The simple truth is that Apple made the majority of the public see the potential of tablets and at a price point (for the features) that others are still unable to hit.

I understand arguing technical merits, but injecting emotions into a debate is what creates a flood of comments that sounds like a middle school cafeteria.




RE: Just sad...
By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 6:24:21 PM , Rating: 2
Hear hear. Unfortunately this kind of childish attitude is SOP for DT


Features Needed
By lolmuly on 3/2/2011 6:17:39 PM , Rating: 2
I cannot live without certain features, until these devices incorporate them, they are functionally useless to me.

In no particular order, these are the features I need:

1.Multitasking
2.Usb host support with at least 2 usb ports.
3.SD card slot's, or hell any card slots.
4.Airplane mode that i can use to conserve power while maintaining a hotspot. (this may be a feature with the new hotspot capable version, haven't checked)
5.Flash
6.Built In Stylus functionality, (I want it to be a wacom style tablet too.)
7.Access to the file system.
8.Ability to run freeware applications distributed freely through the web.
9.Adobe creative suite or equivalent. Apple's productivity applications are far too cumbersome.
10.Built in magnetic coupling for charging
11. Easily Removable Battery

(I've probably forgotten a few, but it's quite obvious that this product will not satisfy my needs)




RE: Features Needed
By lolmuly on 3/2/2011 6:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
Oh haha, one major thing I forgot

12. Firewall with complete program control, (doesn't have to be built in, could be third party) and it needs to tell me when things such as my udid are being transmitted by a program. Thus apple will have to rework the way applications are allowed to access the aforementioned information. Also have to change how they are allowed to access the net, since you have complete creative control apple, make it so that applications must report which ip addresses they will be connecting with to the operating system. As well as an approximate bandwidth usage so that my firewall can relay all of this information to me to help me make my decision.

Angry birds connecting to a remote ip somewhere in china, sending my udid? No thx. Random application requesting access to *.*.*.* for * amount of bandwidth? No thx.


iPad has won the tablet war
By vision33r on 3/2/2011 10:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
The adoption rate at the enterprise level is ridiculous. Govt, colleges, law firms, financial firms are ordering them by the bucket.

It's like the iPod, once it took off Apple is able to run away due to strength in their vertical market.

Unlike the mobile phones which Android can take off due to cheaper phones. The tablet market is not the same.

Android has zero tablet worthy app in their market. Would you pay $800 for a Xoom to surf the web?

Now that iPad 2 has some serious apps like iMovie, Garageband, iWorks, tons of new fun and productive apps.

Google can't get enough 3rd parties to write apps because nobody is paying for them and I doubt people who use tablets want ads to pop-up while reading an e-book.

The only contender right now is RIM with the Playbook. They have the expertise to market successfully to the enterprise, Google does not.




By KoolAidMan1 on 3/2/2011 11:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
My mom is a doctor, and it's kind of nuts how quickly her hospital has adopted using it. I have a friend who works in production at Blizzard, and he uses the iPad to record meetings and do work away from his desk. As for my own work, I now use it more than my laptop when I'm on business trips. In terminals and business lounges I see more and more iPads replacing Thinkpads and such. My laptop never leaves the overhead airline bin now. When I'm scouting locations to film, we don't use laptops, we use iPads.

quote:
Unlike the mobile phones which Android can take off due to cheaper phones. The tablet market is not the same.


I would argue that the advantage that Android had in phones is that it wasn't locked down to a single carrier. The iPhone was locked to one carrier for almost four years. Android is on everything on every carrier. This led to Android's own problems since carriers and hardware manufacturers had control over updates and the OS itself, making for only a few "pure" Android devices like the Nexus One or S, or you'd have to root it yourself.

Either way, carrier exclusivity clearly put an artificial ceiling on the iPhone's adoption. The fact that everyone I know on Verizon with Android switched to iPhones says it all in terms of people going with Android simply because it was what they had available on their (superior) network.

iPods never had anything like carrier restrictions, and the iPad doesn't have that either. Between superior hardware, lower price to entry, and the breadth and depth of it's application library (Android can't even compete with the iPhone library, forget tablets), I honestly don't see how Android on tablets can catch up in its current state.

Someone here posted something funny a while ago. He thought about the alleged "Apple tax", and then wondered if the higher price for inferior Xoom hardware with it's extremely limited set of applications and uses and mandatory one-month Verizon contract was the "anti-Apple tax". I reckon it probably is, as it is a device for people who care more about branding (how ironic that is) rather than the objective utility and superiority of a given product.


No Flash support? Come on guys....
By claykin on 3/2/2011 8:31:01 PM , Rating: 2
Where is the Flash support? Flash 10.2 has made great strides in reducing CPU and battery consumption. Apple is just being arrogant!

I suppose they don't mind losing business to Google. Flash is important to too many people and some industries have solutions that are built on Flash.

I see the Android and Playbook tablets being more widely accepted by corporations.




By tecknurd on 3/3/2011 4:02:09 AM , Rating: 2
Adobe Flash 10.2 for Linux is pathetic. Now I have to turn off hardware acceleration just to get smooth motion. If I have hardware acceleration on, stuttering occurs all the time. Stuttering is a pain to watch video. My 80386 can handle video better than Flash with hardware acceleration.

I have Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 and GeForce8 8400M GS. You would have think hardware acceleration should work in Adobe Flash 10.2 with my hardware but it does not. Since Adobe Flash 10 came out, Flash just got worst. Version 9 was better because it did not stutter while hardware acceleration was on which at the time did nothing to help in any way.

I would not say that Adobe Flash 10.2 has reduce system resources. For me, it has gain more resources which causing a system meltdown if I am not too careful.

I agree that not including any support of Flash makes iPad a big loser. Any site includes Flash in some way and in some cases Flash is used in a menu of the site that makes it hard to navigates those sites. Though when I install Linux as a desktop OS or Windows, I make sure Flash is installed because Flash is just a requirement even though it is bothersome plug-in to deal with.

BTW, you forgot that Apple is also being a-hole and a fat cat.


How to hold it
By Ammohunt on 3/2/2011 2:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they document how to hold it properly in the manual so there will be no confusion in regards to antenna reception.




Awesome!
By lightfoot on 3/2/2011 3:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
Steve Jobs announcement has just sold me on getting a Motorola Xoom!

Totally underwhelming announcement about the iPad2. Nothing he mentioned even comes close to compensating for the iTunes limitation.

I have no problems buying a quality product from Apple. I have issues with having to buy all my books, music, video and applications from them, and then being locked into Apple iDevices for life for taking the trouble. Screw you Apple.




Ugly cover...
By nafhan on 3/2/2011 3:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one that thinks the cover looks like one of those inflatable floating lounge chairs, doesn't really fit in with the look of the iPad, and is in fact kind of ugly?




Why is no one mentioning...
By mmp121 on 3/2/2011 3:55:35 PM , Rating: 2
If you want a 3G enabled iPad2 you must choose between CDMA or GSM at the time of purchase. Its not just one iPad2 with the ability to choose one or the other whenever you want.

I was hoping that by now Apple hardware would be carrier neutral and use a 3G part that can be enabled / configured by the carrier of the customers choice.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/




33 percent slimmer profile
By Phoque on 3/2/2011 8:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
The iPad 2 or Steve Jobs?




what is with the tablet hype?
By Chaosforce on 3/3/2011 10:02:14 PM , Rating: 2
I still have yet to find a use for a tablet....and still wonder for one. It has things i want..........but in a larger form that makes it non enjoyable and lacks the things i would want for something that large.




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