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Switzerland has passed legislation which will likely ban violent video games like Grand Theft Auto IV. Perhaps its a small consolation that Switzerland enforces mandatory conscription and demands its citizen soldiers to store real rocket launchers in their homes.  (Source: GTA IV TV)

Switzerland's neighbor Germany just passed its own unique take on censoring violent content. It has banned mixed martial arts events like the UFC from German cable. The UFC is suing German regulators.  (Source: USA Dojo)
China appears to be on the bleeding edge of censorship trends

China drew much criticism for its ongoing censorship of "objectionable" materials such as violent video games or pornography.  However, recent legislative efforts in the European Union and elsewhere indicate that it may merely be on the bleeding edge of a new worldwide trend.

France and Australia are both pondering legislation that would enact nationwide internet filters, similar to China's.  Now two other European nations have pitched in their own unique censorship policies on objectionable content.

In Switzerland, a nation with mandatory conscription, whose soldiers maintain rocket launchers (M47 Dragon anti-tank guided rockets, to be precise) in their homes, the government has decided that it will not tolerate violence -- in video games.  The government has passed a law that will likely prohibit the sales of games rated PEGI 16+ or PEGI 18+ by European regulators (corresponding to ESRB 'M' and 'AO' ratings in the U.S.).  The original motion calls for banning any game that "requires cruel acts of violence against humans and humanlike creatures for in-game success."

Meanwhile in Germany, the local independent government-endorsed FCC equivalent, the Bavarian Regulatory Authority for Commercial Broadcasting (BLM), has banned mixed martial arts from being broadcast on the Munich-based cable network German Sports Television (DSF).  This in effect bans the sport in one of the most populous parts of Germany.

Zuffa, parent company of the sport's biggest league, the Ultimate Fighting Championship, is appealing the decision.  They point out that the ruling was handed down amid a storm of misinformation, including German media reports that the UFC and other MMA leagues permitted "fights to the death".  In reality MMA fights are relatively kosher -- despite allowing strikes to opponents on the ground, the fight ends as soon as an opponent is stunned (unable to defend themselves), unlike boxing which typically allows competitors to recover twice after being stunned by a knockdown before calling the fight on the third knockdown.

There is a chance that Zuffa will succeed in its suit to overturn the censorship decision.  The WWE -- one of America's popular staged professional wrestling leagues -- was banned by the DLM and then won its own suit, allowing it to return to German cable television.

While those in the U.S. may scoff at such developments in Europe, one must remember that individuals like disgraced attorney Jack Thompson and certain members of the U.S. House and Senate have battled to ban violent video games.  Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) comments, "Common sense should tell us that positively reinforcing sadistic behavior, as these [violent] games do, cannot be good for our children."

And many in the U.S. government have fought to ban mixed martial arts matches from U.S. arenas and from broadcast televisions, despite condoning the violence of boxing.  Senator and former U.S. Presidential candidate John McCain (R-AZ), who reportedly regularly receives ringside boxing tickets, at one time campaigned to further regulate or ban the UFC, which he described as "human cockfighting".  Sen. McCain has since recanted that position, but pressure to ban MMA events remains in many states.

These diverse initiatives all point to a growing trend of global censorship.  China, apparently, isn't alone on its path.


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Terrible
By ClownPuncher on 3/22/2010 5:30:35 PM , Rating: 5
The Swiss are losing their long time neutrality, taking up polarizing positions on censorship and freedom of religion while Germany is being nanny-ed to the point of homogeny.

Come on!




RE: Terrible
By HotFoot on 3/22/2010 5:33:48 PM , Rating: 5
My impression is that much of western Europe views violence the way the U.S. views sex (and vice versa). Just replace every instance of violence in the above article with explicit sexual content and I think most would say it should be 18+ rated.

But banning altogether for adults - no thanks on either category.


RE: Terrible
By Samus on 3/22/2010 5:54:59 PM , Rating: 2
Banning MMO? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Coming from an empire than not even 80 years ago had one of the most ruthless military forces in human history, now saying you can't watch a one-on-one cooperative fight match involving two skilled warriors on the tele, I can't help but laugh at the irony. Maybe it needs to be a fight to the death in order to tickle their fancy.


RE: Terrible
By messyunkempt on 3/22/2010 8:27:57 PM , Rating: 1
lol, i misinterpreted your comment initially and thought that you were referring to the swiss. Was gonna say, that would have been the first time I'd heard 'Switzerland' and 'ruthless military force' in the same sentence without a negative.


RE: Terrible
By MadMan007 on 3/22/2010 8:36:20 PM , Rating: 3
Dunno...ever seen The Swiss Guards? You have to be pretty badass to wear a uniform like that.


RE: Terrible
By afkrotch on 3/23/2010 12:10:45 AM , Rating: 3
Or pretty gay.


RE: Terrible
By AssBall on 3/23/2010 1:21:35 AM , Rating: 5
Or as utterly usless as the their army.


RE: Terrible
By safcman84 on 3/23/2010 5:25:42 AM , Rating: 3
lol, you are joking right?

It would take a hell of an army to beat the Swiss in armed combat (in their country).

Why do you think Hitler left it alone, even though it had all the money?

It is the only country I know that has completely hollowed out entire mountains to turn into nuclear bunkers, straight long tunnels through the mountains that can be turned into runways (they have big metal doors where they store fighter jets, fuel and ammunition), every household has a fully automatic weapon and 1/3 have some kind of heavy weaponry......

In short, the Swiss are mental. and one of the best trained armed forces in world. And they always have been. Which is why the swiss were banned from providing mercenary troops all those years ago, except to the Vatican. Anyone who could pay the Swiss mercenaries, won the war.


RE: Terrible
By dark matter on 3/23/2010 7:16:51 AM , Rating: 2
Hitler left it alone because it used its banks and because of the swiss refusals to disclose who uses its banks regardless of the reason. He might have been crazy, but he wasn't mad.


RE: Terrible
By BushStar on 3/23/2010 9:11:32 AM , Rating: 3
I'm believe they made sure they were prepared for an invading force after World War II and that the above statement is right in that Switzerland was the place to bank your money. There is still a lot of gold sitting in Swiss banks that came from WWII put there by Nazis and Jews who perished and never made it to get their gold. Many attempts by Jewish family members for years have been made to gain access to the accounts but because of the Swiss bank secrecy are unable to. There is a lot on the Internet about this, in June 1997 Switzerland made a $5bn humanitarian fund available. I'm not sure what for. However in 2001 and 2005 a list of unclaimed Swiss accounts was published and there were channels open to make claims to those accounts.


RE: Terrible
By BushStar on 3/23/2010 9:13:23 AM , Rating: 2
The site with the list of unclaimed accounts is linked below.

http://www.crt-ii.org/index_en.phtm


RE: Terrible
By kachonga on 3/26/2010 4:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
"There is still a lot of gold sitting in Swiss banks that came from WWII put there by Nazis and Jews who perished and never made it to get their gold."

this is BS... there were at MAXIMUM CHF 24 million (1999) in dormant accounts. the lawsuit was a shakedown/extortion scheme by the World Jewish Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress...


RE: Terrible
By Ammohunt on 3/23/2010 2:08:16 PM , Rating: 2
a conscript ARMY? you are kidding right? Take it from someone who knows most of what you heard about the Swiss ARMY is romantic drivel. Spend some time researching another conscript ARMY's deployment to the middle east; the German Bund they are absolutely worthless.


RE: Terrible
By MadMan007 on 3/23/2010 1:17:03 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that works well then since they are guards at the Vatican. At least they're of consenting age!


RE: Terrible
By zinfamous on 3/23/2010 12:52:59 PM , Rating: 4
Those are only found at the Vatican, and act as a "traditional" regiment for tourists, more or less. The swiss guards that you see at the Vatican shouldn't be mistaken for the Swiss military, at all.

and criticism of Swiss military...funny. Yes, it's not like they've had much combat experience, I'm sure...but just try and invade that country. Every rocky hillside and mountain face potentially hides a 50mm gun, heavily armored bunker that can hold regiment and civilians for weeks on end. Regular old parking decks can be quickly converted into command centers and defensive posts. ...and every male is armed, and at least trained for defensive combat.

Plus, they have knives. Oh, and lots of cheese.

Don't mess with the Swiss.


RE: Terrible
By far327 on 3/23/2010 3:54:21 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!!! @ Banning MMO

The Swiss declared that they feel WoW is creating a generation of good for nothing over weight badly complected smell people.

Not a bright future, hence the ban on MMO


RE: Terrible
By TerranMagistrate on 3/22/2010 5:37:44 PM , Rating: 2
But they get to keep rocket launchers in their homes. You can't beat that. Smuggling those games into the country shouldn't be all that hard.

On a separate note: Switzerland must have one of the most polite societies in the world.


RE: Terrible
By Souka on 3/22/2010 6:21:05 PM , Rating: 5
I'd be polite to my neigbor...especially since he may have a rocket launcher in the hallway coat closet!


RE: Terrible
By jonup on 3/22/2010 7:31:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On a separate note: Switzerland must have one of the most polite societies in the world.

Of course, they'll put you in jail other wise. I've heard thay you go to jail for minor speeding.And as Souka said, I am sure the rocket luncher helps.


RE: Terrible
By Strunf on 3/23/2010 9:28:51 AM , Rating: 2
You don't go to jail for minor speeding, and unlike what is is stated the army is not compulsory, you can do some civil service instead.

I don't even know why AMERICANS should be talking about having a rocket luncher at home , at least in Switzerland it's the military that has the weapons be at home or not, in the US even civilians have weapons... and still that doesn't help much your criminality ratio.


RE: Terrible
By The Raven on 3/23/2010 9:54:01 AM , Rating: 2
I am American and no we do not all have guns. I don't know where you got that idea. And those who do have guns, for the most part, only have rifles and shotguns for hunting and sidearms for self-defense or just a good feeling ;-).

From Wikipedia (with references):
"Switzerland has mandatory military service for all able-bodied male citizens, who are conscripted when they reach the age of majority,[14] though women may volunteer for any position."

And it also appears that there are no RPGs stored in the closet. But what is in the closet is the following:
-Sturmgewehr 90 assault rifle
-Sturmgewehr 57 battle rifle
-Pistole 75 semi-automatic pistol
-Pistole 49 semi-automatic pistol

When I took German in HS (a long time ago), I was told that the Swiss were conscipts and that they were all required to have a (1) rifle stored in the closet. Hmm... I like Switzerland. Maybe I'll go get a Swiss starter kit for my own home.


RE: Terrible
By Strunf on 3/24/2010 9:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
That's what wikipedia says but the reality is that you have the choice to do it or not, you can either state why you don't want to do the army and in that case you can do some other thing or you can just pay a % of your salary and that's it. It's not like in other countries where you have to do the army or you get arrested for not doing so.


RE: Terrible
By Lerianis on 3/23/2010 10:53:58 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, yes, it does help the criminal ratio. Need I remind you of Great Britain and Australia, where after guns were made almost totally illegal, their rates of violent crime (rape, home invasion, murder) SKYROCKETED!

The fact is that keeping a weapon in your home is a good way when, if some asshat who wishes to be what we call a 'criminal' and break into your home does that, you can defend yourself against him!


RE: Terrible
By gamerk2 on 3/23/2010 12:12:20 PM , Rating: 2
Incorrect; the highest rates of violent crime in the US is in the deep south/bible belt. That kinda undermines the "Guns reduce crime" argument, since the areas with the highest gun populations are the same areas with the highest crime rates.


RE: Terrible
By The Raven on 3/23/2010 12:59:38 PM , Rating: 2
Neither of you are necessarily correct.

No one knows the magic combination that reduces crime. There are countries with low gun/low crime ratios and others with high gun/high crime ratios. There are other factors that make people go boom.

Just look at Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine'. He attacks Wal-Mart and an octagenarian Chaz Heston (whether rightfully so or not) but lets Switzerland off the hook.

He theorized (I think) that it was guns and racism that fueled the gun related crime in the US. But don't think it is that simple either because of all the the "black on black" or "chicano on black" or "black on chicano" crime that is rampant in the most dangerous cities in the States.

Not to mention that the TITLE incident at Columbine had nothing to do with race...


RE: Terrible
By clovell on 3/23/2010 11:43:14 AM , Rating: 1
Civilians in Switzerland have guns, too. The country has a higher proportion of gun-weilding citizens than the USA.

Next time, get your shit straight BEFORE you decide to be a jackass about it.


RE: Terrible
By porkpie on 3/22/2010 11:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
On a separate note: Switzerland must have one of the most polite societies in the world.
An armed society is a polite society.

Robert A. Heinlein.


RE: Terrible
By The Raven on 3/23/2010 10:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
I love that quote. I've used that quote in reference to people who are 'armed with lawyers' because we are all so afraid of being politically incorrect and being sued (or being stabbed in the neck with a meat thermometer). So we are polite.

But the truth is that Heinlein is not necessarily correct (as I indicated above) but guns ARE definitely good for putting ourselves our of our misery if we are rangled into a courtroom.

Joking aside, I think people are polite because they choose to be because they respect the rights of other people. But then again, a well kept gun might help with that ;-)


RE: Terrible
By MrBlastman on 3/22/2010 5:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously...

quote:
demands its citizen soldiers to store real rocket launchers


Nothing makes swiss cheese better than my own swiss rocket launcher.

I can totally see why they'd ban video games. With that kind of firepower sitting around in households across the country, they certainly wouldn't want their people to know how to use them!

/sarcasm


RE: Terrible
By lightfoot on 3/22/2010 6:06:22 PM , Rating: 5
If their Swiss Rocket Launchers are anything like their Army Knives, they probably can do just about anything other than things you'd need in actual combat.


RE: Terrible
By BZDTemp on 3/23/2010 6:55:15 AM , Rating: 3
The great thing is that there is never case of people abusing those weapons. Considering the amount of guns they have and comparing with the US the difference in gun deaths is like night and day. It really says something about what difference culture makes (or maybe it is something in the water).


RE: Terrible
By Strunf on 3/23/2010 9:35:41 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is that in Switzerland it's the military that take the weapons home, we are speaking of people that have been trained to handle weapons and have been under observation for some time, in the US weapons are "given" to almost anyone much more easily.


RE: Terrible
By Lerianis on 3/23/2010 10:57:28 AM , Rating: 2
'Given' to almost anyone? No, people have to buy them. And the fact is that you are comparing a country with a SMALL amount of people in a LARGE area, with the United States, who has a large amount of people in a SMALL area.

What, you say? 90% of America is unpopulated? Yeah, but in the populated areas, everyone is SMOOSHED together today! That leads to people getting on each other nerves, butting into other people's business, etc.

Thereby leading to more violence. And our unemployment and 'poor but employed' rate doesn't damned well help. It's KNOWN that people who are poor are more likely to be stressed and more likely to snap and become violent.


RE: Terrible
By BZDTemp on 3/23/2010 12:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
Switzerland a large area? When was the last time you looked at a map?

In Switzerland the population density is 6 times higher as in the US and while much of the US is uninhabited the same goes for Switzerland. They have big lakes and lots of mountains so most people live in cities.

If you theory about living close together plus unemployment and poverty explained the gun violence in the US then explain how people are not killed left and right in much of Asia, south America and the former Soviet?

For me the explanation is the "Right to bear arms" which guns are all over. Sure you may have to buy them but they are cheap and then they are all over like in peoples cars, desks they even get carried around by people for protection. In most countries the only people carrying guns are the police plus hunters and the like (which are then only to transport weapons back and forth from hunting). Plus outside the police those that have guns have either hunting weapons or special target weapons - in the US people have anything from hand guns over assault rifles to high powered sniper rifles. It's bloody insane!


RE: Terrible
By mmntech on 3/22/2010 6:20:02 PM , Rating: 4
It's becoming a disturbing trend among so called "liberal" western nations. Australia for example is now listed as "under surveillance" by Reporters Without Borders for their internet filtering. The group considers it a potential "internet enemy". That's pretty much unprecedented for developed nation in this day and age that's not in wartime.

This is where the truth about socialism starts to rear its ugly head, much as the religious right has done in other countries such as the UAE and Italy.

Even if someone agrees that violent video games are bad, this kind of censorship should worry everyone. The games themselves do not directly harm anyone, so you cannot make illusions to child pronography. It's not the same thing.

It opens up Pandora's Box. Once they start censoring one thing, it becomes easier for the government to censor others. It makes it easier for the public to accept it. Censorship only serves the purpose of creating an ignorant society that governments can easily exploit.


RE: Terrible
By VitalyTheUnknown on 3/22/2010 6:32:12 PM , Rating: 3
From a comments section in the linked article.

"I know the swiss system is complicated. But there is NO ban and there won't be anytime soon. The lower chamber asked the government to recommend a law. The government has long said a ban was not applicable. They will come up with a draft law that will be discussed, anyway, long process, and the young representatives from right to left have already spoken against a ban. This won't happen. Games +18 will be completely forbidden to younger players (much like porn magazines), that's the only visible outcome." -Arthur Berger


RE: Terrible
By SmCaudata on 3/22/2010 6:42:28 PM , Rating: 3
Your mention political leanings detracts from the rest of your argument, which I feel was otherwise quite solid.

Years ago it was primarily conservatives that were pushing censorship. It has nothing to do with political leanings. It is the fact that people in power are hearing complaints from parents that want the government to parent for them or that the people in power feel inclined to push their own moral agenda on the populace.

Morality != Political compass.


RE: Terrible
By shin0bi272 on 3/22/2010 10:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
Your right but I think he was generalizing to make a point that socialist countries with large central governments and stringent laws about everything (which is what the progressives are "fundamentally transforming" us into btw) are prone to limiting their citizens to things that the bureaucrats agree is bad or get paid to say it's bad.

Both parties in this country are to blame because both sides have their progressives. Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, LBJ, carter, bush 41, clinton, bush 43, and now obama all were/are trying to evolve our nation from its founding principles to an oligarchy. There are more on the left but the right has their share too look at Lindsey Graham and John McCain.

Republican progressives are people who get elected by representing themselves as conservative then go to washington and bend over backwards to work with the other party rather than stand up for their principles. Im not saying some compromise isnt necessary but you dont compromise EVERYTHING you stand for to get a new law passed if you are truly a conservative.

Or on the other side look at clinton and obama... they run as centrist moderates then govern as far left liberals. Clinton was put in check by the first republican congress in 40 years before doing any more damage than a tax increase. Obama well we all know the crap hes pulling (next up is amnesty and then expansion of the newly passed health care bill to cover the 12-20 million new citizens).

That's why Im a Libertarian :)


RE: Terrible
By clovell on 3/23/2010 11:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't detract at all - it makes a point - censorship is something that comes about at both extremes.


RE: Terrible
By ClownPuncher on 3/22/2010 7:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
Rather than a liberal or socialist viewpoint, I see it as a progressive populist viewpoint opposite of those that fall under classical liberalism.


RE: Terrible
By eddieroolz on 3/23/2010 12:37:10 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. Australia's decision to control its citizen's lives is simply despicable in my opinion. Like banning violent games or small breasts. Seriously, banning a human feature is just not right. It's not like the Australian PM is God or anything, he has no right to ban a human feature.

No government should entirely control what the citizens view, hear, and experience. Australia is quasi-China with their censorship and seems like these Western European nations are heading the same way.


RE: Terrible
By StevoLincolnite on 3/23/2010 5:43:21 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Australia is quasi-China with their censorship and seems like these Western European nations are heading the same way.


There is no Filtering going on in Australia right now, heck Australia approached Google to see if they would censor Youtube! Well they ended up with a "Get stuffed" remark and continued on. (The current Filtering technique proposed would degrade Youtube's performance).

However I doubt Censorship will become reality in Australia regardless if the current administration remains in power or not, I honestly don't think that Steven Conroy could ever get away with it.

I for instance would have his guts for garters!


RE: Terrible
By Lerianis on 3/23/10, Rating: -1
RE: Terrible
By EglsFly on 3/22/2010 8:09:22 PM , Rating: 3
No Soup For You!!!


RE: Terrible
By Gungel on 3/23/2010 10:19:16 AM , Rating: 2
I assume you're freedom of religion statement is referring to the recent vote on the minaret initiative. It is a mere change in the building code and restricts the construction of new minarets. It has nothing to do with freedom of religion. The Muslim community in Switzerland is still allowed to build new mosques but without the minaret towers.


RE: Terrible
By kachonga on 3/25/2010 6:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
neutrality is the foreign policy of the Swiss government. censorship and freedom of religion are not foreign policy.


People are idiots
By SmCaudata on 3/22/2010 6:36:58 PM , Rating: 5
I can turn on any prime time drama and see people get shot, blown-up, run over, drowned, decapitated, etc... When the bad guys die everyone is happy. When the cop gets shot, everyone is sad. It's been that way forever. Violence has always been accepted and often glorified. At the same time a topless female is obviously too mature for TV. The priorities on censorship are absolutely ridiculous.

It is probably somewhat human nature. There are many that don't bat an eyelash at the fact we are recruiting kids right out of high school to ship them overseas to kill other people. It isn't violence in video games that's the problem. It is violence in every day life. When society as a whole stops glorifying violence, then there will be a small market for violent games. These groups want to paint it the other way and blame violent games on violence in society. It was movies, then rap music, and now games. You cannot blame an entertainment medium for an endemic issue that was present before the medium existed.




RE: People are idiots
By JonnyDough on 3/23/2010 2:42:43 AM , Rating: 1
+7

Best post, hands down.


RE: People are idiots
By mikeyD95125 on 3/23/2010 3:03:34 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Media is reflective of society, not the other way around.


RE: People are idiots
By ekv on 3/23/2010 4:25:43 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The priorities on censorship are absolutely ridiculous.
I'm curious what your priorities would be.
quote:
There are many that don't bat an eyelash at the fact we are recruiting kids right out of high school to ship them overseas to kill other people.
Is this your obligatory blame-Bush comment? If so, we didn't start it.

Is violence to blame? or is it glorification of violence? If you've played Halo or Socom or America's Army, etc., then you know there is some glorification of violence but the emphasis of game-play is on skill and strategy. The flip side of the coin has titles like: Postal 2, Phantasmagoria, Reservoir Dogs, etc.

Human nature is what it is. I personally eschew violence unless absolutely necessary. I don't necessarily get that impression from many Hollywood movies. They have a vested interest in selling their movies and if that includes glorifying violence (or other evil motives) then so be it. That is what I find objectionable, but there is a rating system in place, for the most part.

I can blame the entertainment medium. E.g. I can exercise discernment and judgment when a mass murderer on death-row tries to make money off his exploits.


RE: People are idiots
By AssBall on 3/23/2010 5:23:29 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I'm curious what your priorities would be.


Um.... how about NO censorship?

I like watching Sylvester Stallone decapitate a dude as much as I like watching Jameson get gangbanged. It's all entertainment to me. As far as kids go, it's their parents' job to shield them from content, not the government's.


RE: People are idiots
By clovell on 3/23/2010 11:49:00 AM , Rating: 2
I know you're embellishing to make a point there, but that's kind of disturbing.

I mean really - have you watched Stallone that much?


RE: People are idiots
By ekv on 3/23/2010 2:42:47 PM , Rating: 2
Current law disagrees with you. We have a rating system.

And frankly, kiddie porn is not entertainment. It's a disease. I know counselors who can help....


RE: People are idiots
By icanhascpu on 3/23/2010 3:02:05 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, why are you talking about kiddie porn?


RE: People are idiots
By ekv on 3/23/2010 4:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's all entertainment to me.
Got a problem, dude?


Lol WHAT ?!?!?
By Hyperion1400 on 3/22/2010 7:18:33 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Switzerland has passed legislation which will likely ban violent video games like Grand Theft Auto IV. Perhaps its a small consolation that Switzerland enforces mandatory conscription and demands its citizen soldiers to store real rocket launchers in their homes.


There are so many things wrong with that statement I don't know where to begin.

First, Switzerland does not force mandatory conscription; it is militia service, which basically consists of: Here is a free full-auto Sig 550 that you get to keep after your two years of "service" are up, here are two magazines, and a box of 50 rounds of ammunition only to be opened if the militia is called up. (lololololol) Ok, show up for target practice once a month, and remember, don't open the box of ammo.

Two, the militia men are NOT required to keep rocket launchers. They only weapon they have to keep(does anyone really have to force you to take a free assault rifle?) in your house is the Sig 550.

Three, KMON???? Free Sig 550! Who the hell wouldn't want one of those in exchange for showing up to 24 target practice sessions?




RE: Lol WHAT ?!?!?
By BZDTemp on 3/23/2010 7:02:08 AM , Rating: 2
Why would you want a gun in your house? I can see storing it at a gun club but what use does it have in your house.

I can see it making sense if you live in a 3rd world country where riots are a regular thing but guns have no place in the civilized world. Apparently the Swiss can handle it right but that is certainly not case everywhere as the statistics show.


RE: Lol WHAT ?!?!?
By 91TTZ on 3/23/2010 10:10:28 AM , Rating: 2
What if you wanted to use a gun to protect yourself? If someone breaks into your house with intent to harm you, it will take a while for the police to show up. A lot can happen in that time. It's good to be able to defend yourself.

While it's a nice pie in the sky dream to envision a world without violence or objects capable of creating violence, that's simply not realistic at all.


RE: Lol WHAT ?!?!?
By ekv on 3/23/2010 4:59:15 PM , Rating: 2
Ever target practice on beer cans? Watermelons? fun stuff 8) Why should I have to drive all the way out to the gun club then another direction to get out to where we're hiking? ["and the rocket launcher!" nah. no way. "well...?" no. Absolutely not. Etc. 8]

On a more serious note, gun's are safe when properly handled. So are cars. That's why you get training. How many people die from guns vs. how many die from cars?

You'd think Switzerland of all places would be safe and you wouldn't need to have a gun at your home. Of course, do you think there may be some correlation tween having the gun at home -- ditto for your neighbor -- and Switzerland being a safe place?

I think the Swiss model ought to followed by every civilized nation. It is the safest course of action.


Sorry, But I've Gotta Do It...
By AstroCreep on 3/22/2010 8:59:29 PM , Rating: 4
...and reference Godwin's Law because of this comment:
quote:
In reality MMA fights are relatively kosher

Using the term "Kosher" in relation to a new legislation in Germany...I'm surprised no one else pointed this out yet.




By JonnyDough on 3/23/2010 2:44:51 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting find! Good eye. Oh the irony!


I'm swiss
By Murloc on 3/23/2010 5:49:55 AM , Rating: 3
and medias from other nations don't understand anything.
It's just one of the two chamber that wants the governement to regulate.
There were 2 initiatives: one to avoid minors to play violent video games, and one to ban violent games tout-court (initiative from the socialist party of course).
The first was accepted with 27 yes and 1 no, and that's fine. The ERSB rating are useless as you can just walk in and buy.
The second with 19 yes and 12 no.
All the parties of the young were against this, and the government will not ban violent video games.
They know it's not feasible, they know it's plain stupid, and they will just make new rules, because now the swiss states can decide indipendently what they want to do.

the swiss don't keep rocket launchers in their home, just the assault rifle.
Military service is mandatory, but just 40% of the people do it, the others have to pay a stupid tax for 20 years.
This is plain stupid, because if you don't get excluded because you aren't fit for the service, the military service will just break your study schedule, delay your bachelor etc.
they should just abolish it.
It's useless now to have an army of this kind, they could just make it volontary, and enough ppl will still do it.




RE: I'm swiss
By icanhascpu on 3/23/2010 12:56:51 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, at least they just tax you. In America, they can and will force you to join if needed. No choice about paying a tax you just get tossed in jail.

Ironically a government that would do something like that, is exactly the type of government I want to fight AGAINST .


Killing Nazis is banned...
By BladeVenom on 3/23/2010 5:42:05 AM , Rating: 2
Killing Nazis in games is now banned in Switzerland, but you can still buy your games with Nazi gold.




RE: Killing Nazis is banned...
By kachonga on 3/26/2010 4:30:31 AM , Rating: 2
you twinks need to get your facts straight on the gold: The Swiss franc was the only currency accepted everywhere during WW2. Swiss Francs were paid for with gold. The biggest customer was the US. How do you think the Allies bought glass eyes made in Germany during WW2? See the Bergier commission report for details www.uek.ch


Who has the balls.
By dark matter on 3/23/2010 7:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone like to explain how you plan to stop people buying things when they are armed with rocket launchers?




RE: Who has the balls.
By Lerianis on 3/23/2010 10:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
This won't go past.... someone will just appeal it to the EU, and it will get overturned by them.


Nipplegate
By tim851 on 3/23/2010 6:47:53 AM , Rating: 3
I whole-heartedly disagree with censorship and I don't think any one country's misdoings should be weighed against another's, but I gotta say it's pretty bold when citizens of the country that had a major crisis when Janet Jackson revealed a taped-over nipple try to get all superior.




FEDOR!
By gevorg on 3/22/2010 10:14:03 PM , Rating: 2
At least let the Germans watch Fedor. Calm, artistic, peaceful... fatalities. :)




huh?
By DominionSeraph on 3/23/10, Rating: 0
RE: huh?
By 91TTZ on 3/23/2010 10:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
It sounds like you're just looking for something to whine about. Stop crying.


By Lerianis on 3/23/2010 10:39:37 AM , Rating: 2
In Switzerland. Do they REALLY think that anyone is going to stand for being told what they can and cannot play in their own home? I don't think so.

The fact is that there is nothing wrong with anything in fantasy, and the real truth is that if someone does something like in those games in real life? They usually HAVEN'T been playing those violent video games, as in the case of the Columbine shooters.

They had NEVER played a violent video game, in fact they were raised in CONSERVATIVE homes!




!**! CENSORSHIP!
By icanhascpu on 3/23/2010 12:48:43 PM , Rating: 2
^ Pot Meet kettle, DT.




By Donkeyshins on 3/23/2010 12:48:51 PM , Rating: 2
There's no law barring someone from going to Italy or France or Austria or Germany (whichever is closest) and buying Bioshock II or Left4Dead or ??? is there? If anything, this is more of an empty law meant to inconvenience people who want to play violent video games.

And I hope they bar Super Mario with the rampant turtle abuse.




By zarkanon on 3/22/2010 6:21:12 PM , Rating: 1
Also the BLM is not the German (federal) FCC, it's the Bavarian (state level) equivalent.
The Bavarian state constitution holds privately owned networks to the same standards as the publicly owned ones and prohibits broadcasting of "glorification of violence", content has to "respect human dignity".
And since DSF, the network broadcasting UFC, is using a Bavarian broadcasting license they're bound by it.
There are however 15 other German states where broadcasting UFC from might be fine.




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