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SBB is reportedly looking to make a deal with Apple, where the railway company will likely seek a licensing fee

They say "what goes around, comes around" -- and it looks like Apple is finally getting a dose of its own medicine in the patent infringement department.

A railway company in Switzerland, called Swiss Federal Railways (SBB), has accused Apple of copying its clock design for iOS 6. SBB said its company created that clock design back in 1944, and that Apple's new iOS 6 clock app is identical. See for yourself:

[Image Source: Cult of Mac]

"We are proud that this icon of clock design is being used by a globally successful company," said Reto Kormann, SBB spokesperson. "We've approached Apple and told them that the rights for this clock belong to us."

SBB is reportedly looking to make a deal with Apple, where the railway company will likely seek a licensing fee.

Apple just released iOS 6 two days ago, and also launched its iPhone 5 in eight countries today.

SBB's move against Apple comes at an interesting time. After a 1+ year-long battle with Samsung over smartphone/tablet patent infringement lawsuits around the globe, a U.S. jury found Samsung guilty of copying the iPhone/iPad for its Galaxy line. Not only was Samsung ordered to pay $1.05 billion USD in damages, but a court date on December 6 may lead to more product bans for the South Korean electronics maker. Apple is also looking to boost that $1.05 billion fine to $3 billion.

Source: Cult of Mac

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By p05esto on 9/21/2012 12:42:25 PM , Rating: 1
People, stop buying Apple crap already! I'm so sick of every other news article about crappy, overpriced and underpowered DRM laden Apple products.

This post has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Clock? wtf?

RE: people
By michael2k on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
My HTC One X pisses all over the iPhone 5.

I couldn't give a shit what you think. The reality is that the iPhone 5 is wank.

The only person you're fooling these days, is yourself.

RE: people
By semiconshawn on 9/21/2012 4:08:06 PM , Rating: 1
Your phone pisses? You should take it back. Or do all HTC phones leak urine?

RE: people
By Hexus on 9/24/2012 12:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
Voting up because I chuckled.

RE: people
By ipay on 9/24/2012 5:11:17 PM , Rating: 4
Commenting canceled your vote. I chuckled.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2012 6:24:58 AM , Rating: 2
The reality is that the iPhone 5 is wank.

While on the subject of wanking and holding your phone with one hand - what do you think of this video by Android Authority showing a test comparing the ability of an iPhone 5 and a Samsung Galaxy S3 to survive being dropped. I guess the dude doing the test wasn't holding the phones right when he dropped them.

RE: people
By Xplorer4x4 on 9/22/2012 1:44:25 PM , Rating: 3
I mostly lurk here, but I read enough comments to know I am totally wasting my time it goes..

As the most popular comment points out, the video is worthless. The guy slowly brings the iPhone out of his pocket and just drops it. He jerks the S3 out of his pocket and practically tosses it. Sure the iPhone 5 held up well, but but what do you expect in such a weak drop test.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Solandri on 9/22/2012 3:16:39 PM , Rating: 3
Phones aren't symmetric. A comprehensive drop test would drop phones at all possible impact angles and rotational velocities from different heights. Clearly this is impractical (you'd destroy most of the production run of all phones just conducting your drop tests).

Consequently, the best you can do is measure the breakage rate of phones which are in users' hands. Presumably, across hundreds of millions of users, the average way they treat any phone is the same. So everything being equal you'd see the same drop rate and breakage rate. If a greater percentage of one model of phone breaks in users' hands due to drops, then that's an indicator of a weaker design. Unfortunately, I don't think any manufacturer releases these types of figures.

That said, there are design features you can add to reduce the chance of damage upon dropping. The biggest and simplest is rounded corners. They reduce the stresses imparted onto the material from an impact onto the corner. Consequently they are a functional design element, and ineligible for protection under U.S. design patent law. Which makes it almost a foregone conclusion that the phone design patent Apple used to win against Samsung will be declared invalid.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Mint on 9/22/2012 5:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
A single drop test cannot prove that. That you believe it does only speaks to how much Apple has brainwashed you.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Xplorer4x4 on 9/23/2012 11:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
Faster? Maybe for now, but what are you left to boast about in a month, or so, when an Android phone surpasses it? What about a year from now when many Androids can probably blow it away?

Tougher? So comparing the iPhone 5 to the SGS 3 makes it definitive? What if the iPhone 5 is compared to the Droid Razr and the Razr wins, overall, based on it's Kevlar back?

RE: people
By PrinceGaz on 9/22/2012 3:06:00 PM , Rating: 3
Strictly speaking, the way the phone was pulled out of the pocket in the first test isn't that important as the additional lateral motion and rotation is insignificant compared with the velocity when it first impacts the ground, which is similar in both instances.

The second test is the bad one, as it is clear he drops the iPhone from quite a bit lower than the S3-- you can tell that easily from where his hand is over his t-shirt logo. He drops the iPhone from what he says is 4', which is the height in the middle of the 'Android Authority' logo on his t-shirt that he previously indicated he would do. That happens at about 2m10s in the video.

At 2m55 he drops the S3 but if you look carefully, it isn't released until it is level with the neck-line at the front of his t-shirt which is about 6 inches higher than the height the iPhone was released from. That difference is anything but insignificant, unlike his first drop test.

The reason for doing the drop test to a hard surface from three heights in the 3' to 5'6" range is because that is about the limit of what the devices can take without shattering the screen, and dropping one from 4' and the other from 4'6" pretty much invalidates everything.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2012 4:42:30 PM , Rating: 1
I get your point, you think the dude doing the test wasn't holding the phones right when he dropped them.

The iPhone is still obviously tougher and more durable (as well as considerably faster) than the Samsung Galaxy S3 whatever way you hold it.

RE: people
By Camikazi on 9/26/2012 10:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
No the point he is making is that the guy testing the phones is not testing them equally. You can't get any valid results when the tests are not done in equal (or near equal) conditions.

RE: people
By Jeffk464 on 9/22/2012 8:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
I imagine the results would change from drop to drop. How the phone actually hit would have a big influence in the results. I dropped my galaxy nexus maybe 5 feet and it damaged the plastic case but the screen and everything still works. Plastic crunches, gauges, etc, but that's absorbing some of the impact.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/23/12, Rating: 0
RE: people
By weskurtz0081 on 9/24/2012 9:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
I does look like Apple finally made a phone that durable (at least by smart phone standards).... bravo! That's honestly one of the main reasons I never went back to an iPhone... they were so damned easy to break. If I were Samsung though, I wouldn't be too worried, people clearly don't buy phone based on durability otherwise the iPhone 4 and 4S (not to mention the other iPhones) wouldn't have sold so well.

RE: people
By michael2k on 9/24/2012 9:30:16 AM , Rating: 2
Not according to Anandtech:

But don't let real hard numbers get in the way of your own personal feelings. I know I wouldn't like it if my 5 month old phone had crappy performance and image quality.

RE: people
By web2dot0 on 9/21/2012 3:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand your anger.

Let the market speak for itself. Isn't that what every American wants? Free will? If someone decides to spend $200 on a pair of jeans, are you going to stop them from buying it?

You don't like it, don't buy'em, but it's up to the market to decide whether the product is viable product. Thus far, Apple have done pretty well, so what's your gripe?

You want to government or somebody tell you what to buy no? Can't have it both ways.

RE: people
By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
You tell that to Apple. Let the market decide.

But Apple doesn't want that. Because what they offer is wank. And the only reason people queue up for it is because other people are queuing.

Why do you think they try and ban their competitors.

It's hardly letting the "market" or the "people" decide is it.

And don't give me that shit about people copying Apple. Especially not on this article.


RE: people
By semiconshawn on 9/21/2012 4:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
Wank, Wanker ?? Is that even a word?

RE: people
By spread on 9/21/2012 4:21:57 PM , Rating: 3
Bloody hell, quit being such a ponce.

RE: people
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/21/2012 4:23:40 PM , Rating: 1
RE: people
By michael2k on 9/24/2012 9:35:33 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason people queue up for it is because Apple has a 5 year track record of quality. Your One X, by HTC, doesn't. Apple has been providing multiple-year OS updates now since day one, has offered superior battery life from day one (compared to other full screen high performance phones; it sucked compared to a Blackberry), beat the GPU performance of competitors for the last three years running, has offered competitive CPU performance for the last three years running, and also generally looks better too.

What you don't understand about the market is that copying IP is actually illegal; Apple copying the SBB railway clock is also illegal and should result in fines and change or a license.

The same sword cuts both ways here; Apple can't escape the same laws that it's using against Sasmsung.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: 0
RE: people
By Decom on 9/23/2012 12:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
When you say underpowered do mean because of test results like this?

Or maybe because of results like these :-

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/23/2012 1:21:42 PM , Rating: 2
So how exactly do those results show that the iPhone 5 is 'underpowered'?

By rbo on 9/21/2012 12:16:48 PM , Rating: 5
You mean to say that Apple didn't invent the circle? I can't believe that.

RE: Clock
By rpierce on 9/21/2012 12:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
This is funny. They could have easily changed that red circle into a red triangle and it would have even improved the look. But Apple is so lazy they could not even make a simple change to their stolen design.

RE: Clock
By woody1 on 9/21/2012 3:34:49 PM , Rating: 3
I'm no Apple fan, but I wouldn't call them lazy. They're pretentious and overpriced, and they are also perfectionistic and obsessive to detail. But never lazy.

RE: Clock
By someguy123 on 9/22/2012 12:57:47 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call obsession with customer control perfectionism. If they were truly perfectionists they would be fixing things like usability problems with itunes (must I really resync a folder over and over instead of just dropping photos in? why isn't my account just tied to my ipod in case of reformats instead of automatically wiping everything if I try to sync without the original files?) instead of just ignoring everything and hoping nobody makes a loud noise. it's like their whole antenna problem. if nobody made a fuss apple would probably just have a little note on their website telling you to stop being left handed.

RE: Clock
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2012 6:29:11 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't call obsession with customer control perfectionism. If they were truly perfectionists they would be fixing things like usability problems with itunes

You mean like this?

RE: Clock
By someguy123 on 9/22/2012 6:00:34 PM , Rating: 2
All they did was quite literally tweak the layout. I still use my ipod and they have yet to change the sync system to and easy drag and drop outside of importing videos. everything else just gets wiped and pictures need to be globally sync'd.

RE: Clock
By Tony Swash on 9/23/2012 9:32:48 AM , Rating: 2
All they did was quite literally tweak the layout

How do you know? It hasn't been released yet!

RE: Clock
By hankw on 9/21/2012 12:23:47 PM , Rating: 5
A circle is really just a very round rectangle.

There's no infringement here anyways since Apple's code would not run on those Swiss clocks.

RE: Clock
By zinfamous on 9/21/2012 12:44:23 PM , Rating: 2

what does the typical apple patent have to do with code? the majority of their absurd lawsuits have to do with their belief that simple shapes like the rectangle and a "flat screen" are patentable.

this is precisely apple eating their own medicine.

and I apologize if I missed some sarcasm... ;)

RE: Clock
By Mint on 9/22/2012 4:57:22 PM , Rating: 4
Check out what the jury foreman said to the jury to make them ignore all prior art and speed up deliberations. It's quite sad, really.

RE: Clock
By kerpwnt on 9/21/2012 2:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure Apple is still working on that patent for "A circular shape with rounded edges." One of these days they will put the right amount of money in the right officials pocket.

Until then, Apple will have to pay license fees for other people's trademarks. They already have to pay Cisco to use the name "iOS."

RE: Clock
By Super on 9/21/2012 10:30:04 PM , Rating: 2

By chromal on 9/21/2012 12:36:31 PM , Rating: 2
Call me crazy, but there just may be some prior art for 12-hour clock faces.

RE: hah
By Saldrin on 9/21/2012 12:41:32 PM , Rating: 5
Kind of like slide to unlock?

RE: hah
By Schadenfroh on 9/21/2012 12:44:39 PM , Rating: 5
My company should really consider replacing the slide-to-unlock latches on our bathroom stalls with a deadbolt... imagine the potential fallout when Apple expands the reach of the slide-to-unlock patent.

RE: hah
By Fujikoma on 9/21/2012 1:07:08 PM , Rating: 2
That's funny... I'd seriously pay money to see the company that makes those stalls take Apple to court.

RE: hah
By Souka on 9/21/2012 3:40:19 PM , Rating: 3
Hey remember who invented the iPhone?

It wasn't Apple.. it was Cisco. Patented as well.

So who invented the disputed clock? Will it matter? Nope, Apple will keep the design I bet.

RE: hah
By Camikazi on 9/21/2012 12:56:56 PM , Rating: 5
It's not the 12-hour clock face that is an issue but this specific design and color scheme that is trademarked. Apple copied this exact design not slightly copied but copied it exactly without asking. Apple has sued random companies for using any apple or apple-like design for their logo don't see why this is different considering it is a direct copy of the design.

RE: hah
By TSS on 9/23/12, Rating: -1
RE: hah
By Ticholo on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: hah
By anoldnewb on 9/21/2012 5:09:07 PM , Rating: 5
Is not a Swiss railway train a mobile device?

RE: hah
By Super on 9/21/2012 10:28:14 PM , Rating: 2
Perfect response. +5 good patron.

RE: hah
By dasgetier on 9/27/2012 2:39:11 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, this is worth a 6

RE: hah
By joeRocket on 9/22/2012 12:06:08 AM , Rating: 2
You're probably being sarcastic, and in fact I'm guessing Apple will respond with your very words... yeah, you're probably being sarcastic, and Apple will reply in kind anyway.

RE: hah
By jeffkro on 9/21/2012 10:37:53 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, everyone under the sun needs to sue apple.

The real issue
By Shadowself on 9/21/2012 2:51:21 PM , Rating: 2
The real issue is, "For what industries did the Swiss Railway trademark that design?"

When you register a trademark you have to pick the industries for which it is applicable and restricted only to you. Most countries frown on you applying for it to be applicable to *all* industries.

If you register a trademark for the electronics industry it is likely not to forbid someone from using something very similar in the agriculture industry.

So, did the Swiss Railway just register this one for the industry specific to the rail industry or did they register it for others too, like electronics?

That's just, legally, the way it is. It does not make it right. It does not make it ethical, but that's the way the legal system works.

We'll just have to see how this plays out.

RE: The real issue
By TakinYourPoints on 9/21/2012 3:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
The design is licensed for sale to consumers as well.

Apple should license the design.

RE: The real issue
By Camikazi on 9/21/2012 4:44:22 PM , Rating: 3
Really? You should tell that to Apple who has sued Fresh24 and Woolsworth over a trademark that were very different from theirs and in different industries. If they can sue for just having an apple in their logo I don't see why this company can't sue for them copying the whole trademark completely.

Eh, not really a big deal
By aharris02 on 9/21/2012 3:01:34 PM , Rating: 2
The SSB clock was clearly the inspiration for the Apple app design. Apple's designers likely didn't realize there was a trademark & copyright on it, else they would have used something else. I know I wouldn't have expected the design of clocks on trains to be protected, and I doubt many of you will disagree. (Unless of course you're disagreeing just to be disagreeable, which I don't put past people.)

Either way it's a simple fix: the IP holder has done their job in asserting their copyright. Apple needs to respond in kind and agree to some reasonable licensing in order to continue to use it, or they need to cease and desist its use.

Not a big deal, and certainly not Apple v Samsung v Motorola v The World material.

RE: Eh, not really a big deal
By BZDTemp on 9/21/2012 5:25:12 PM , Rating: 3
It is a big deal!

It clearly demonstrates that Apple is still copying while trying to claim they are sitting on the high horse. For sure some Apple prick saw the clock and then copied it.

Also just for your information - railway companies are protecting their designs and have done so for decades if not more. It's one of the original international cut throat businesses and also on that from early on came up with corporation wide design guides.

Apple will win the lawsuit....
By GGA1759 on 9/21/2012 12:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
only because they will use the defense that their copy didn't include the circle of metal encasing the Swiss clock.

RE: Apple will win the lawsuit....
By spread on 9/21/2012 4:22:50 PM , Rating: 2
Technically the phone is the metal circle encasing the clock. It has rounded metal corners and everything.

By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:48:57 PM , Rating: 3
When they don't know where they're going.

This Just In!!!
By drlumen on 9/21/2012 5:24:53 PM , Rating: 2
Apple files for a US patent and trademark protection for their innovative and unique clock design and is currently part of all previous Apple IOS versions. Approval from the patent and trademark offices are expected by the end of next week.

Apple has already amended their court documents in their suit against Samsung for their use of a clock with a similar design. Judge Koh has is preparing to make a preliminary judgement against Samsung stating that Samsung infringes on the Apple clock design. Apple is expected to ask for treble damages due to willful infringement.

Apple has opened a can...
By Belard on 9/22/2012 3:45:01 AM , Rating: 2
...of serious warms over stupidity.

If this clock is ONLY the rail-station, then I gather - its theirs. Apple steals... again.

Litigation Mayhem
By Any14Tee on 9/23/2012 8:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
The precedent set in the recent Apple V Samsung is a litigation free-for-all,the Swiss Clock rebuttal against Apple doesn't surprise me, they're many more lurking within the crevices.
Samsung has lodged an appeal and is well documented on
if there is a sense of justice and fair play, the verdict ought to be overturned.

It just makes me say really
By Dr of crap on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: It just makes me say really
By AMDftw on 9/21/2012 12:09:45 PM , Rating: 5
I say sue the Sh*t out of them. Karma is a B***h.

RE: It just makes me say really
By Motoman on 9/21/2012 12:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. Time for Apple to sow what it has reaped.

RE: It just makes me say really
By kleinma on 9/21/2012 12:34:20 PM , Rating: 2
you mean reaped what they have sown?

RE: It just makes me say really
By Motoman on 9/21/2012 12:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
Or that. That's what I get for trying to type before my coffee. >.<

RE: It just makes me say really
By polishvendetta on 9/21/2012 12:37:27 PM , Rating: 5
I think all companies that Apple has "borrowed" from should take the following stance:

We will take a very minimal licence fee as long as you put our logo on the iPhone

Before too long, the iphones will look like nascars, and people will really see how pioneering apple designers really are

RE: It just makes me say really
By Motoman on 9/21/2012 12:49:18 PM , Rating: 3
Nah, then Apple will just proclaim that they invented "sponsorship" and they'll start suing NASCAR et al for the concept of putting sponsor stickers on things.

And all of the Apple consumers will believe them.

RE: It just makes me say really
By Camikazi on 9/21/2012 1:01:39 PM , Rating: 2
Considering it is a registered trademark and easy to look up, has been licensed and used by Mondaine and well known all over Switzerland and other parts of the world (even I knew it was not a random design) I say they knew it was designed already and like all other things they just ignored it and took it anyway. Either way Apple did start this by suing over trivial little designs that anyone can come up with, time for them to see what it feels like to be on the other side.

RE: It just makes me say really
By michael2k on 9/21/2012 1:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
They will probably pay SBB as a PR move and then change the design for 6.1 and add some improvements along the way.

RE: It just makes me say really
By Fujikoma on 9/21/2012 1:05:00 PM , Rating: 1
I mean it a freaking icon.
What do they want $1 from each phone? Will that make them happy? Or do they just want Samsung to say - yep we stole your design.

I feel the same way about the rectangle with rounded corners bit too, just in case you were wondering.

Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Tony Swash on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By StevoLincolnite on 9/21/2012 1:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
Tony Swash... I'm sorry to inform you of this but...

I have never owned an Apple product and never will... Best part is! NOTHING you can do about it!

/end rubbing salt in wounds.

By kmmatney on 9/21/2012 2:02:56 PM , Rating: 1
Uh OK. I'm probably never going to buy an Android phone, and there's nothing you can do about that. I say "probably" because I wouldn't hesitate to buy an Android if it can offer better features than an iPhone, but that hasn't happened yet (at least not when my contract ends and I'm in my buying window).

One thing I like about the iPhone is the Jailbreak process. It's easy and it works. I tried upgrading my Wife's Android and it was a pain in the ass, and too buggy, so I had to revert back to Froyo. Spent a lot of time on it. My iPhone Jailbroke in 5 minutes.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Tony Swash on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/21/2012 2:55:11 PM , Rating: 4
I sometimes wonder how you can walk around all day with that Apple Dildo up your ass...

By aharris02 on 9/21/2012 3:02:16 PM , Rating: 1
DailyTech: keepin' it classy, one post at a time.

By Tony Swash on 9/21/2012 6:36:07 PM , Rating: 1
I sometimes wonder how you can walk around all day with that Apple Dildo up your ass...

More homeoreotic imagery from Mr Closet, your brain must be awash with it.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By anactoraaron on 9/21/2012 2:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
Not that you will understand or get this, but this is why so many people don't like the iPhone, Apple, or it's customers.

"The first person in line at Apple's flagship store in New York City is Hazem Sayed... He has spent well over a week sitting in front of the Apple Store on 5th Avenue and he does not regret a moment."

This person wasted a whole week out front of a store (likely wearing diapers and holding a backpack of food) for a PHONE. It's pathetic. And there are so many people like him that buy iPhones. This is what happens "in the real world." Ain't that a bitch.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Tony Swash on 9/21/12, Rating: 0
By momorere on 9/21/2012 3:23:19 PM , Rating: 2
At least with that link you finally admit that the whole crApple thing is a cult. Or at least other fanatics do with their appropriate domain name. I especially love how it is perfectly OK for you to post your pathetic bs but once others say anything negative towards your beloved crApple, you jump in and say how irrelevant, meaningless, and fan boyish it is. You have the 2nd highest powered crApple RDF (reality distortion field) only after your dead fake messiah. You should really seek help.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By anactoraaron on 9/21/2012 5:11:26 PM , Rating: 2
In reality of course it's not the fact that some people queue for the iPhone it's that thousands do, it's the gigantic popularity of the iPhone and Apple products in general that grates with you, that gets under your skin.

Not even close Mr. iFanboi. You are talking out of your ass again.

In fact, all of those morons that have nothing better to do for days or weeks just to get a phone get under my skin. Why can't these people wait for a few days/weeks after release of something to get it - and not have to camp out in front of a store like a homeless person? Think about it. They could stroll in 2 weeks after the release and walk right in and buy one, no waiting required. I don't care if it's the new 'Twilight' movie, the new iPhone, hell it could be the release of a new Android phone and it would still be pathetic!

There's also an amazing double-standard here. Nearly all of those iDiots would call 'Black Friday' campers INSANE for doing what they do if you asked them - yet they see nothing wrong with what they did for a phone. But sure, you can continue to believe whatever you like. I can't force you to be correct about things.

What's sadder the man camping for days to get the iPhone or the man who sits at home and gets angry about it?
Neither. It's the moron that defends those 'campers' on a web thread.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Tony Swash on 9/21/12, Rating: 0
By anactoraaron on 9/21/2012 7:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
Who said I was upset? AH you did. Who said I was agitated? You, again. You also said something you linked would 'push up my blood pressure.' Which it did not. You are 0/3 in truth but 3/3 in speaking outta your ass.

All I said is that they were pathetic. Pathetic like the way a drug addict seeks their next fix. Pathetic. And they are. And so are you.

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By Shadowself on 9/21/2012 2:44:35 PM , Rating: 3
So Tony,

What does any part of your post have to do with whether Apple improperly copied a trademarked design or not?

Answer: Nothing at all!

You should at least *try* to be relevant. People here might take you at least 1% seriously if you were. As it is, most people are justified in dismissing anything you say.

By Helbore on 9/21/2012 5:10:29 PM , Rating: 2
What he means is Apple is successful and he likes that so much that he doesn't care if they steal stuff from other people.

Ie. he doesn't care how Apple succeed, only that they do.

Who cares if they steal? They're getting away with it! Go Apple!

RE: Meanwhile in the real world.....
By mocyd on 9/21/2012 3:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
Um- what does this have to do with the fact that the Apple copies its designs?

But since you're going off topic:

Yes, reality is a bitch.

My only curiosity- why do drop tests matter when most users purchase cheap protective covers for the phone to keep them pristine anyway? I dropped my G2 on asphalt when I first purchased it (should've bought the protective case sooner) and it suffered about the same amount of damage that the iPhone 5 did.

My point: if Galaxy S III owners wanted to step down to a smaller screen with a sturdier build, they could buy a G2 and still have a phone that does more than the iPhone 5 ;)

By daveinternets on 9/21/2012 3:14:40 PM , Rating: 1
There is 4.7%, 4.7% of the population that will buy an Apple product no matter what, no matter what. They are dependent on yearly release cycles, on what they are told they like, if they see another phone they feel they are victims of copyright infringement. They feel they are entitled innovation, beautiful design, feature sets, to everything. I'll never convince them they are behind in NFC and wireless charging technology. But, it's not my job to worry about their lackluster phones, I'll never convince them to #switchtolumia.

By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:52:10 PM , Rating: 1
What a wanker you are.

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