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FBI dismisses findings as meaningless, scrambles into damage control

DNA evidence presented in criminal trials is often considered infallible, with prosecutors lauding a genetic match as a “forensic gold standard” – certainty that, according to the FBI, has a 1 in 113 billion chance of being wrong. New findings, however, recently unearthed and made public by San Francisco lawyer Bicka Barlow are placing that certainty under threat after state-wide searches found “dozens” of unique DNA pairs that matched according to the government’s criteria.

Barlow points to the findings of little-known Arizona state crime lab analyst Kathryn Troyer, after tests she ran found a pair of genetic profiles that matched, according to state standards. The convicts that her system matched were very much unrelated, however: one felon was white, and the other was black.

Neither state databases, nor the FBI national DNA database called CODIS, keep complete records of a person’s DNA. Instead, databases store a tiny slice of a person’s genetic map – data on 13 specific locations, or loci, along a sample’s (blood, hair, etc.) chromosomes. In the recent past, DNA samples are considered a match when at least 9 out of the 13 loci are found to be identical, however many states now insist on a complete, 13-for-13 match instead. (A lower standard is still applied in cases of damaged, contaminated, or old crime scene evidence.)

Intrigued about her discovery, Troyer and her colleagues ran additional tests and published their findings in “a simple poster” at a national conference of DNA analysts. A handful of attendees said they saw similar findings in their own labs.

Barlow stumbled across the poster three years later, while conducting research for a client accused of 20-year-old charges of rape and murder. Her client was caught by a nine-loci match of his DNA profile and semen found on the victim’s body.

After speaking with Troyer, Barlow obtained a court order to run a radical new search on Arizona’s DNA database, one that would compare every DNA profile stored against every other DNA profile. The results were astonishing: in a database of 65,000 felons, Arizona’s system found nine-loci matches between 122 pairs of profiles. 20 pairs of profiles shared 10 loci, and one pair match at both 11 and 12 loci.

While many of those matches could be explained away – felons in the 11 and 12 loci matches were later determined to be relatives – a heavy majority of DNA matches had no explanation.

Troyer’s findings have the potential to turn the criminal justice system upside-down, bombarding courts with requests to have the supposedly “infallible” DNA evidence reexamined.

The FBI continues to assert the accuracy of its claims, and calls Troyer’s findings the result of an unorthodox, unauthorized style of search. Normal criminal cases do not seek to compare masses of records against each other, and the odds of a false match in the FBI’s permitted check-one-sample-against-the-database search are still in the billions.

Troyer’s findings and Barlow’s insistence have since resulted in requests to run a similar, “Arizona-style” search against CODIS, as well as numerous other states’ internal DNA databases. In many cases, state DNA databases are linked to CODIS.

CODIS head Thomas Callaghan condemned Troyer’s findings as “misleading” and “meaningless,” and the FBI’s national crime lab has threatened to cut off states’ access to CODIS for if they run similar searches – even if they are court-ordered – against it. A massive search against CODIS could have a variety of ill effects, he argued, including knocking the database offline, overloading the FBI’s systems, or data corruption.

Despite FBI resistance, both Maryland and Illinois judges ordered an “Arizona-style” search on their state DNA databases, together adding another 1,000 nine-loci-or-more matches to the pot. Neither state saw their CODIS access cut, nor did they experience any kind of downtime.

In Maryland’s case, a search conducted in January 2007 against a database of 30,000 profiles yielded three “perfect” matches – 13 of 13 loci found identical. Experts say the matches are probably duplicates, or that they belong to identical twins or brothers. The odds of matching two unrelated people, they say, is 1 in 1 quadrillion. The state of Maryland never investigated further.

“DNA is terrific and nobody doubts it, but because it is so powerful, any chinks in its armor ought to be made as salient and clear as possible so jurors will not be overwhelmed by the seeming certainty of it,” said UC Hastings College of the Law David Faigman, who specializes in scientific evidence.

Speaking in a recent phone interview that the Los Angeles Times described as “cautious” and supervised by her superiors, Troyer said she originally saw her findings as “interesting,” and simply “wanted people to understand [that a false positive] can happen.”

“If you’re going to search at nine loci,” said Phoenix lab director Todd Griffith, “you need to be aware of what it means … it’s not necessarily absolutely the guy.”



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Reasonable doubt
By Biodude on 7/22/2008 9:11:14 AM , Rating: 3
This is of course, where the word reasonable comes in. If you poll everybody in the world, of course you are going to find matches. That doesn't mean that finding a match among a group of, say, four suspects meant that there would be reasonable doubt as to it's effectiveness. To quote another part of that article:
quote:
In a database search for a criminal case, a crime scene sample would have been compared to every profile in the database -- about 65,000 comparisons. But Troyer compared all 65,000 profiles in Arizona's database to each other, resulting in about 2 billion comparisons. Each comparison made it more likely she would find a match.
When this "database effect" was considered, about 100 of the 144 matches Troyer had found were to be expected statistically, Myers found.

Troyer's search also looked for matches at any of 13 genetic locations, while in a real criminal case the analyst would look for a particular profile -- making a match far less likely.

Further, any nonmatching markers would immediately rule out a suspect. In the case of the black and white men who matched at nine loci, the four loci that differed -- if available from crime scene evidence -- would have ensured that the wrong man was not implicated.


The lawyers will make a hullabaloo about this, and the non-scientific jurors will be astonished, but the scientific of us will just yawn, and shake our heads.




RE: Reasonable doubt
By Polynikes on 7/22/2008 10:05:31 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think so. What if someone is arrested for a crime and their DNA evidence is taken to be compared to evidence at a crime? There's the potential for a false positive. We cannot allow this to happen. How would you feel if you were the one who got the false positive? Does that seem reasonable to you? Something needs to change in the system to make the DNA evidence more accurate. Even if it is a one in a billion chance, it could mean life and death for an innocent person. I don't care if it means taking new DNA evidence from every person we've ever taken it from in the past. To be honest, that would probably be easier than a round of thousands and thousands of appeals.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By TOAOCyrus on 7/22/2008 11:14:18 AM , Rating: 3
Um its still more convincing then anything other then a confession. Even eyewitness accounts are more unreliable.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By TOAOCyrus on 7/22/2008 11:15:48 AM , Rating: 4
Also remember the criteria is "beyond reasonable doubt" not "beyond all doubt". Otherwise you would never get a conviction.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Oregonian2 on 7/22/2008 5:52:03 PM , Rating: 3
Yup, even videotaped evidence in combination with DNA testing and full close up witnesses are subject to error with deeds actually being done by an unknown identical evil twin that was separated at birth. Not to speak of the non zero possibility of someone identical-looking from another space-time continuum doing the deed then escaping back. Indeed, there is always some doubt even if very very nearly none.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By GaryJohnson on 7/23/2008 11:32:09 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
...of someone identical-looking from another space-time continuum...

They all have goatees, so they wouldn't be identical-looking.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By mindless1 on 7/23/2008 3:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
You've never heard of people confessing to something they didn't do? It's not even uncommon outside the 1st world countries.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Biodude on 7/22/2008 11:19:07 AM , Rating: 2
I know there is a lot of emotion in this, so lets think clearly. If my DNA, along with say four other suspects, was taken in a crime and all 13 of my loci matched the crime DNA, and the profile was the same, I would be guilty. We cannot prove, beyond all doubt, that anyone has committed any crime, it's just not possible. I'm more than happy to live with chances between million and billions. Maybe you are not, but, no offense, I hope you don't serve on a jury either.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Polynikes on 7/22/2008 11:43:37 AM , Rating: 2
At the very least, they need to ALWAYS use the 13 loci method from here on out, which had less false positives.

But on the topic of reasonable doubt, why not go for ALL doubt if it is indeed possible? Everyone's DNA is unique, right? So if you compare enough of it there's no reason there should ever be false positives. Just because the law says "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean that's the highest standard that has to be used.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Biodude on 7/22/2008 11:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
Very true, you could go to a higher standard. An I have no doubt that things like this will cause law enforcement to go that direction. Personally, in most cases, I don't think it would be necessary. The real problem lies in that DNA testing isn't like it is on CSI. Results don't pop out of a machine minutes after the DNA is stuck into the vial. It takes days, or weeks if the DNA is scarce enough, to get good results, and that's just for the loci testing. It's just the state of the art right now that full profiles would take much more time and money, something I'm sure your average police department would hate to dip into if there was an easier, and equally effective, way of doing things. Before you know it I'm sure there will be a B&L DNA Sequencer 5000 on the market that will tell you a full DNA profile in minutes, ala GATTACA, but it's just not here yet.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By rudy on 7/22/2008 12:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
Because you can frame someone by placing their DNA at the scene you would still have doubt in all cases. There is also no such thing as removing all doubt. It is possible that you had an identical twin brother you never knew about and no one ever told you about and even your mother lies about and that twin brother killed your wife by accident in the middle of your messy divorce. This introduces doubt simply by fabricating a ridiculous story, however it is not reasonable doubt. You killed your wife and the imaginary brother did not exist so you go to jail.

This is where the 9 loci come in. If everything else lines up, and you only need a DNA match to seal the deal and your sample is damaged it may be you only get 9 hits. But realistically this is the guy and now under your system you cannot nail him? When cost come down and methods get better we may do a complete SNP profile for every case and pull the odds to 1 in trillions. But for right now I think the evidence should be taken into account based on the other factors in the case. If nothing lines up and all you have is DNA then you should need 13 or more loci to match and a fairly reasonable explaination for why the defendant is not truthful. However if the guy was seen at the site had known motive and owned the gun and you can only get 9 loci to match i think that is fine. Cause odds he did not do it are unreasonable.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By RedStar on 7/22/2008 6:24:53 PM , Rating: 1
what if you handle something in a store that is later used in a murder ..or is at the scene of a murder.

What if it becomes mandatory for every citizen to provide DNA so it can be screened for criminal activity.

The such searches, as noted in the article, would become common.

the potential for mistakes would increase dramatically.

Well, unless you are in california where the dna handling has already seen to be atrocious.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Alexstarfire on 7/22/2008 10:21:45 PM , Rating: 2
Since we aren't even nearly that close I think it's safe to say that it isn't a problem yet. Even if we did have everyone, I think they'd know something was up if it said a guy from NY was in Missouri and killed someone. It's not like DNA evidence overrules everything else they find. If you had DNA that matched guys in NY, GA, and FL and 2 of the 3 weren't in FL where the killing occurred but the third guy lives 2 blocks away and had a dispute with the victim, then I think you still removed reasonable doubt that one of the other 2 people was actually the killer.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By mmatis on 7/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Reasonable doubt
By Icelight on 7/23/2008 11:35:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is possible that you had an identical twin brother you never knew about and no one ever told you about and even your mother lies about and that twin brother killed your wife by accident in the middle of your messy divorce. This introduces doubt simply by fabricating a ridiculous story, however it is not reasonable doubt. You killed your wife and the imaginary brother did not exist so you go to jail.


I smell a new Hollywood blockbuster!


RE: Reasonable doubt
By masher2 (blog) on 7/22/2008 12:08:50 PM , Rating: 2
> "Everyone's DNA is unique, right? So if you compare enough of it there's no reason there should ever be false positives"

While we can probably do better than a 13-loci test, it just isn't practical to compare 'all' of a person's DNA. There's just far too many base pairs.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By theapparition on 7/22/2008 4:13:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone's DNA is unique, right?

Identical twins are not unique.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By cane on 7/22/2008 5:04:45 PM , Rating: 2
Although identical twins have the same genotype, or DNA, they have different phenotypes, meaning that the same DNA is expressed in different ways.

Traits determined by phenotype, such as fingerprints and physical appearance, are the result of "the interaction of the individual's genes and the developmental environment in the uterus." Thus, a DNA test can't determine the difference between identical twins, while a simple fingerprint can.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By theapparition on 7/24/2008 1:15:57 PM , Rating: 2
Excelent reply.

Might I add that one of the fears of cloning detractors, identical copies, that could replace you in society at a moments notice (aka "The 6th day" movie). When in fact there are already genetic clones naturally created, identical twins. Due to external features and influences, as you mentioned, identical twins separated at birth can be remarkedly different.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Nik00117 on 7/23/2008 3:19:00 AM , Rating: 2
13 out of 13 from now on. I'm sorry but DNA is pretty much used as the golden key to crime cases nowadays. If it turns out that it really isn't impossible to be a close match then thats insane. I suggest we combine all statedatabases and do a search for matches, then all 13 out of 13 finds must be investigated as if they were duplications or different individuals.

DNA shouldn't be used as the primary focus, DNA should be used as a tool. Eye witness accounts, and camaras are still more reliable in my eyes with those recent findings.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Lerianis on 7/28/2008 1:46:10 AM , Rating: 2
Eye-witness account are not accurate at all. We have had MANY cases of women who accused a white man of raping them, only to test the semen or other bodily fluid and found out "Hey, the person who raped her had sickle-cell and this person doesn't. It's impossible for him to be the guy who raped her!"

I've worked in the legal profession, and the fact is that is EXTREMELY common, that an eye-witness has been so frightened or terrified by the incident in question, that their recollections are..... not reliable, at best.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By mindless1 on 7/23/2008 3:08:58 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is not so much one of having 5 total suspects, it is one of an ever-growing DNA database which will be searched to find the supposedly "proven" guilt party.

Granted, even then they have to reasonably tie the new suspect to a crime somehow, but it is a disturbing thing that they could imagine some seemingly plausible motive and then say "and DNA proves it".


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Lerianis on 7/28/2008 1:42:57 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is that it might not be 'millions and billions' for these certain loci. This woman basically took a sample from people AT RANDOM who she knew and who were in the criminal population (the latter first) and found that their DNA was surprisingly similar.

When that happens, it start to bring into doubt DNA evidence in general.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By wordsworm on 7/22/2008 11:56:02 AM , Rating: 4
I think you can take it a step to the worse: some poor muck has their DNA in the system, it gets compared to the DNA of a murderer, and before you know it, he or she is the prime suspect. The DNA search ceases and the person who has the identical DNA is convicted because of the infallible evidence.

Bravo for this work. The experiment needs to be conducted again in order for it to be considered legitimate. However, it seems clear that the FBI isn't interested in checking their database to see if there's a serious problem or not. All DNA convicted felons would then have to have their day in court all over again.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Moishe on 7/22/2008 1:33:30 PM , Rating: 5
I really the most disturbing thing is that the FBI is trying to stop the database from being checked.

quote:
The FBI continues to assert the accuracy of its claims, and calls Troyer’s findings the result of an unorthodox, unauthorized style of search.


This is completely unacceptable in my eyes. I don't give a rats-ass how unorthodox or "unauthorized" the search is. If the search brings to question the validity of something that we rely so heavily upon, it needs to be looked into. All I've ever heard was that DNA was the perfect fingerprint. If that's NOT the case I want to know. If it is, I want to know. If 13 loci is not enough, then find the number that IS enough and use it.

The government needs to study DNA until they have a system that provides astoundingly accurate results (not perfect, but VERY accurate). The idea that we should cover up the truth is completely absurd.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By masher2 (blog) on 7/22/2008 10:20:19 AM , Rating: 2
> "But Troyer compared all 65,000 profiles in Arizona's database to each other, resulting in about 2 billion comparisons..."

But the odds of a false positive were supposed to be one in 113 billion...meaning if you compared a sample to two billion others, your odds of finding even one match would be very slim. Instead, they found a large number of matches. Very disturbing indeed.

Still worse is the idea that matches can be "explained away" because of a blood relationship. In many criminal cases, one or more relatives may be suspected. These results means a DNA match might improperly convict an uncle, when a father or grandfather was really the guilty party.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By SilthDraeth on 7/22/2008 11:19:14 AM , Rating: 2
I am not positive, but isn't the 1 in 113 billion referring to a 13 loci match?


RE: Reasonable doubt
By masher2 (blog) on 7/22/2008 11:46:14 AM , Rating: 2
That may be how it was originally calculated, but whenever a match is returned positive (which may occur on as little as a 9-loci match), the jury is quoted those odds.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By Biodude on 7/22/2008 11:48:00 AM , Rating: 2
They found a large number of partial matches, but Troyer didn't make any statements as to profiles.

If you had a case where the pool of suspects included relations, you would just go to a more stringent test. I still don't understand why this is such a big deal.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By masher2 (blog) on 7/22/2008 2:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
Because crime labs *don't* go to a more stringent test when the suspect pool involves relatives. They perform the same test regardless....which means in theory, at least some of the people now imprisoned on DNA evidence may be wrongly convicted.


RE: Reasonable doubt
By ForensicMath on 7/23/2008 1:04:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
"But Troyer compared all 65,000 profiles in Arizona's database to each other, resulting in about 2 billion comparisons..."


But the odds of a false positive were supposed to be one in 113 billion...meaning if you compared a sample to two billion others, your odds of finding even one match would be very slim. Instead, they found a large number of matches. Very disturbing indeed.


But there's another step. For each of those two billion comparisons there are many ways -- 715 ways -- to select some nine loci out of 13. That means there are in total over a trillion (715 times 2 billion) 9-locus partial profile comparisons that were examined. Therefore a bunch of matches are to be expected. In fact, do the numbers carefully and it comes out about right.


hmmmm
By acejj26 on 7/22/2008 9:45:21 AM , Rating: 2
So maybe O.J. didn't do it after all!!!!!




RE: hmmmm
By wordsworm on 7/22/2008 11:58:04 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
So maybe O.J. didn't do it after all!!!!!
That's right. It wasn't OJ. It was his cousin Apple Juice Simpson.


RE: hmmmm
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/22/2008 1:07:10 PM , Rating: 2
Well I always wonder why they did not looking into a better suspect....

Someone who hated Nicole, very hot tempered, a little smaller then O.J., was in town, had access to all O.J. things - cars, homes, someone who does not suffer from body pains of an old athlete, and matched O.J. DNA -----
His son.

O.J. I believe knew his son did it, that's way he broke the rock glass in his hand in the hotel room in Chicago when he heard about Nicole's murder and did everything in his power to cover it up.

But then what do I know???


RE: hmmmm
By SilthDraeth on 7/23/2008 9:31:30 AM , Rating: 2
It isn't what you know, it is how you interpret that makes you different.


RE: hmmmm
By Lerianis on 7/28/2008 1:49:32 AM , Rating: 2
Possible..... very possible. The fact is from talking with the son of O.J. Simpson and Nicole's relatives..... there was very little or NO love lost between him and his mother, meaning they hated each others guts at best.

It is VERY possible that his son could have killed his mother (by accident or on purpose) called his father from the scene, his father shows up, flees in order to give his son an alibi, while the son sneaks away from someplace where he was hidden.

Now, to most people, this might sound a little 'far-fetched'.... until they realize that there have actually been cases of this happening in real life on numerous occasions, where the father or mother covers up for the son or daughter.


Guess I'm missing it
By AlvinCool on 7/22/2008 2:50:46 PM , Rating: 2
So what prevents us from using a 9 loci match against known databases, then take the 9 loci matches and run a 13 loci test against them? Am I missing something?




RE: Guess I'm missing it
By sonoran on 7/22/2008 4:42:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think the crux of the problem is that law enforcement has been acting as if 9 loci matches are proof of a unique match, when clearly such is not the case. Like you, I think the sensible thing to do is use the less precise matching technique to find suspects, then use the most precise matching possible to rule out any reasonable doubt.


RE: Guess I'm missing it
By mindless1 on 7/23/2008 3:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is one of the human condition. People like to think they know, can rely on what they learned and they resist accepting they were wrong and potentially unjust.

Once someone has it in their mind that they have proof of something, it tends to require more than an equal amount of counter evidence to sway them.


I wonder
By just4U on 7/22/2008 9:15:39 AM , Rating: 2
A very interesting find. So I guess that means they will hopefully stop doing this 9 loci thing? I mean if you can find indenticals for 11-12 and even the odd one for 13 then trying to find matches on 9 is probably not a good idea.

I wonder what they will do with this information.




RE: I wonder
By mmatis on 7/22/2008 4:47:32 PM , Rating: 2
what they will do with this information? Blow it off, of course. Why do you think they're called pigs?


None story
By chris2618 on 7/22/2008 10:39:02 AM , Rating: 2
All its saying is that you should use a 13 loci search which is what you should be using anyway. With all of the development in isolation techniques you should be able to use a 13 loci search with most samples.

But DNA evidence should never be used as total proof of guilt




RE: None story
By dwalton on 7/22/2008 11:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
True, no one piece of evidence should be considered so definitive that it alone can be used to convict someone.

This throws out the door the chance of investigators simply taking crime scene DNA samples, running them in a database and simply getting convictions with no corroborating evidence.

But if you have a witness or witnesses that places a subject near a scene while every other profile match can be excluded due well established alibis then the DNA evidence should prove rather strong.


Not DNA
By wvh on 7/22/2008 7:50:18 PM , Rating: 2
This is not a problem with the usage of DNA, but with the American justice department's interpretation of it. A legal policy update is needed, not a questioning of the science behind DNA matching.

This sounds as if DNA is to blame for the policies of the justice department.




RE: Not DNA
By mmatis on 7/22/2008 9:21:53 PM , Rating: 2
Nothing new here. This sort of behavior has been the case for years:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/national...

And that's just what they've been CAUGHT doing, by their own internal "investigations." The putrid stench is overwhelming.


reminds me of...
By InsaneGain on 7/22/2008 2:49:06 PM , Rating: 2
This reminds of the stastisics fact where if you randomly pick out someone, it is very unlikely that they will have the same birthday as you (0.27% chance). But if you take a crowd of 23 people, there is a 50/50 chance of two people having the same birthday, and if the crowd is over 50 there is almost certainly two people with the same birthday.




minority report?
By albundy2 on 7/22/2008 10:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
i know i have seen something like this before...




hook, line and sinker
By ForensicMath on 7/23/2008 1:48:55 AM , Rating: 2
Bicka Barlow herself doesn't believe the reported partial DNA match results are as sensational as the Daily Tech reporter says, but it would surely warm her heart to read this rendition.

My web page http://dna-view.com/ArizonaMatch.htm lays out the math of these matches and adds a little to the background story. Bottom line: intuition is deceptive. It may sound fishy but it's not.

Point #1: Matching between some two unrelated people in the database is billions of times more likely than a coincidental match between suspect and crime.

Point #2: A 9 locus "partial match" in the database search experiment means that the remaining 4 of 13 loci did not match. Therefore a 9 locus partial match of this sort is nearly 1000 times more likely than would be a casework 9-locus match when only 9 loci are available to compare.

Point #3: A DNA match as evidence in casework should be and in my experience always is reported with the probability of a coincidental match, not simply as "match". Therefore the report does not unfairly imply that "match" automatically means hundreds of billions.




sketch.
By djkrypplephite on 7/23/2008 2:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
That's why people aren't really ever convicted just because they jerked into some panties. There's motive, alibis, etc. They have to build a whole case on people. I'm not saying that people aren't swayed by that, but given that all the other criteris are met, there remains the "reasonable doubt" factor required of a jury.

Now I agree that the DNA system should be re-examined, but I also find it hard to believe that there might be innocent people behind bars that not only jerked into some girls panties, but for other reasons can't seem to come up with a good alibi and seem to have a motive for doing so. Sketch.




By Lerianis on 7/28/2008 1:40:39 AM , Rating: 2
How do I know that DNA evidence is not infallible? Simple: I had a cousin and friend who were both accused of two rapes (separate events), the DNA tests proved that they did the rapes in question....... then they brought forward VIDEOTAPED evidence from a store they had been in at the exact same time they had supposed raped those two females that totally cleared them.

After that..... DNA was busted as an 'absolute measure of guilt or innocence' for me.

The fact is that most people share almost 99% of their DNA with another person...... and that 1% that is supposedly 'different' has some common sequences of DNA that are shared through numerous races of people on this planet.




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