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"Bring it on!" say Pirate Bay leaders

Swedish Prosecutor Håkan Roswall announced his intent to press charges against The Pirate Bay before January 31, 2008, on the grounds that it is suspected of facilitating copyright infringement. Specifically targeted are five individuals associated with The Pirate Bay, only two of which are known at this time.

According to TorrentFreak, the two known individuals are TPB administrator Brokep a.k.a. Peter Sunde, and Swedish neo-fascist Carl Lundström, whose hosting company Rix Telecom once offered cheap bandwidth to the site.

The announcement appears to be a follow-up to statements made earlier this year by Roswall, who previously “vowed” to file charges against the infamous piracy site.

Rowswell expects that the charges will be backed up by evidence May 2006 raid that resulted in the seizure of 180 servers at TPB’s hosting center and knocked the site offline for several days.

The Pirate Bay, however, does not think that Roswall will be successful in his attempts, as the site maintains that it is merely a search engine and does not actually host any of the infringing materials in question. Further, a recent leak regarding the May 2006 raid reveals that the Swedish police have little to no evidence in supporting Roswall’s claims or any other wrong-doings.

Responding to Roswall’s May 2007 statements, TPB administrator Tobias Andersson accused the Swedish police of needing to save face, noting that TPB “expected” to face charges. “Of course we don't think they will succeed,” he said, “I think they feel they have to do it. It would look bad otherwise since they had 20 to 30 police officers involved in the raid … we will most likely be cleared as it is obvious that there is no copyrighted material on the site, there are just links to other places.”

“Whatever the outcome, we will continue,” said Andersson. “If we are outlawed in Sweden we will continue elsewhere. There will be no downtime.”

For a brief time earlier this year, The Pirate Bay attempted to raise money to buy the tiny island nation of Sealand, supposedly to avoid any copyright-related prosecution, but quickly abandoned its efforts.



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Buy an Island?
By ImSpartacus on 11/12/2007 9:52:32 PM , Rating: 2
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For a brief time earlier this year, The Pirate Bay attempted to raise money to buy the tiny island nation of Sealand, supposedly to avoid any copyright-related prosecution, but quickly abandoned its efforts.


That is just awesome. I don't really even use the pirate bay, but that is just cool.

But technically, if they owned their own land in neutral water, can they be their own country? Or do they need other countries to accept them as an independent entity?




RE: Buy an Island?
By erikejw on 11/12/2007 10:27:19 PM , Rating: 4
They'd probably be deemed illegal fighters and be shot down in some us raids sponsored by MPAA and RIAA. Cyber terrorists will be the charges and they will be executed without a trial in Guantanamo. ;)


RE: Buy an Island?
By Christopher1 on 11/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: Buy an Island?
By jajig on 11/12/2007 11:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
If everyone had that attitude we wouldn't have the Hitler rap! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2NqfISm9k

If you were President satirists would have to go underground.


RE: Buy an Island?
By SiliconAddict on 11/13/2007 1:15:33 AM , Rating: 4
And that would be different from now HOW?!?


RE: Buy an Island?
By JAB on 11/13/2007 8:11:50 AM , Rating: 1
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I really doubt that. If that was even RUMORED to happen, the United States would be in hot water with numerous other governments around the world.


Our government has proven it will do what ever it wants if they think they can get away with it. They have gotten rid of whole countrys and were forgiven why should a few "criminals" get better treatment.
We are torturing people in our own country and ignoring the constitution so the government can "fight terror". If this is right or wrong is another matter. What can we do to defend ourselves without becoming what we despise?


RE: Buy an Island?
By Homerboy on 11/13/2007 8:52:53 AM , Rating: 3
What countries did out govt get rid of?


RE: Buy an Island?
By sprockkets on 11/13/2007 12:45:03 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps he meant we overthrew the government of Iraq, not wiped it off the map.

But hey, all Bush has to say is TPB is developing WMD, aka, destroying our way of life via da torrents, and sign hit usual signing statement and they are gone, not an issue for him.


RE: Buy an Island?
By Oregonian2 on 11/13/2007 2:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, the US had a lot to do with getting rid of Hitler as well. I'm sure the world hates us for that too.


RE: Buy an Island?
By superkdogg on 11/13/2007 3:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
It's amazing that your post started a discussion about overthrowing a fictional country that was never bought by a website's owners.

People can be a bit too picky sometimes.

Obviously satirical to me, and if we can't poke fun at the idiocy of this administration we'll have to take it seriously. Gallows humor is better than no humor at all, I think.


RE: Buy an Island?
By Azsen on 11/12/2007 10:39:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, when they discovered they were at risk from more than just lawyers they realized they would need a small defense force and state of the art weapons systems to defend their little pirate nation.


RE: Buy an Island?
By Gul Westfale on 11/12/2007 10:59:38 PM , Rating: 2
sealand is an abandoned RAF outpost outside of british territorial waters. it is really just a concrete tower. in order to actually get high-speed servers set up there they would have to lay cables from britain, and if the british didn't like the whole piracy thing they could just cut them off... so tiny and its own country it may be, but that does not make it self-sufficient.

and: wow, TPB had 180 servers? ...


RE: Buy an Island?
By Cygni on 11/12/2007 11:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
Sealand actually already has internet service, as shown by HavenCo's operation on the platform for the last few years. Even if the UK did sever its land based telco lines, this could easily be circumvented through the construction of a simple satellite uplink. Cut the power links? Wind/solar/tidal generators could easily be installed to power a small datafarm.

Thats the beauty of Sealand... as of today, the UK seems to have shown no real effort to shut down Sealand. But outside of physically claiming the island in an international court as its soverign territory (which they could probably do if they really wanted to), Sealand would be very dificult to shut down.


RE: Buy an Island?
By Anonymous Freak on 11/13/2007 2:04:05 AM , Rating: 2
If you read the history of Sealand (sorry, too lazy to look it up now, Google it yourself!) you would read that the UK already tried to claim it, and lost.

They even invaded it at one point. And were repelled!


RE: Buy an Island?
By Cygni on 11/13/2007 3:36:38 AM , Rating: 2
Trust me, im well versed in the history of Sealand ;) ... like I said, the UK has never made a REAL effort to shut Sealand down. If there was enough political pressure, it would be gone within a week. But as of yet? There hasnt been any significant interest on the part of the UK to shut it down.


Hilarious
By FS on 11/12/2007 11:36:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
suspected of facilitating copyright infringement.


Got to love Sweden and Swedish authorities.




RE: Hilarious
By FITCamaro on 11/13/2007 6:48:34 AM , Rating: 2
What do the cops do in your country when someone is suspected of a crime. I know here they get charged until they're found guilty or innocent.


RE: Hilarious
By jajig on 11/13/2007 7:57:30 AM , Rating: 2
You mean 'Not Guilty' I've never heard of someone found innocent.


RE: Hilarious
By Treckin on 11/13/2007 11:50:16 AM , Rating: 1
hmmm. Writ of Factual Innocence.

Says that not only were you found Not Guilty, you were factually proven innocent. Comes with record expungment and so on.

God, the legal system is grand when you know it, but fucked when you dont!


RE: Hilarious
By Oregonian2 on 11/13/2007 3:12:59 PM , Rating: 2
No, I just think that it means to be found not guilty. Even when everybody knows the person did it and is guilty -- but has a critical damning evidence thrown out for technical reasons -- they will be found "not guilty" even if everybody including the judge knows they are guilty as ****.


Lol, looks like we need a law change
By rcc on 11/13/2007 1:12:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
that it is merely a search engine and does not actually host any of the infringing materials in question


New category of Internet criminal, pimps and panderers. "We don't host it, we just facilitate it".




By Oregonian2 on 11/13/2007 3:08:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, gets tricky. Google is probably a master facilitator (not just youtube where they actually host the illegal goods), but don't seem to be attacked for their search engine (nor Yahoo, MSN search, or any of the zillion other minor ones that undoubtedly have links to copyrighted material). Knife makers facilitate stabbings, twine makers facilitate choking murders, just general telephone service facilitate conspiracies. But those don't seem to be taken to court. There's fuzzy things going on and it's hard to come up with rule making that's philosophically consistent. At least for me (not that I think about it much at times when it's not a dailytech topic). Or maybe my brain is just fuzzy (okay, please nobody take advantage of this straight line).

P.S.- Do the Swedish pirate guys have their own logo that could be used for this article (and others like it)? Johnny Depp is getting on my nerves, getting OD'd on his image (as well as thinking that the series of movies started so-so and went downhill from there). :-)


What strong words.
By Sungpooz on 11/13/2007 3:15:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
There will be no downtime.


<3




Lightning rods...
By grath on 11/12/2007 9:51:00 PM , Rating: 1
There will always be those who make themselves a target then dance around and mock the people shooting at them. As long as they keep stepping up to draw the attention and take the hits the scene will survive.




Yar.....
By FITCamaro on 11/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: Yar.....
By lagomorpha on 11/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: Yar.....
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 11/13/07, Rating: 0
RE: Yar.....
By murphyslabrat on 11/13/2007 3:22:34 PM , Rating: 1
Damn, this is one of the funniest mini-threads I have read all week! I would rate you both up on every post, but I only have one vote. x_x

Read the preceding messages and uprate them!


RE: Yar.....
By rtrski on 11/13/2007 4:42:40 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Don't drink kids.


Who does? I drink alcohol.


By Bioniccrackmonk on 11/13/2007 9:13:51 AM , Rating: 5
I do believe that Swedish laws allow them to operate in the manner they have been. If they are not breaking any laws in their country, then why should they go to jail for 20 years?

Honestly, do you work for the MPAA/RIAA? Because just about every post from you that I have seen was completely rated down due to your ad nauseam rants that seem to reinforce the RIAA/MPAA modus operandi.


By JackBurton on 11/13/2007 10:40:16 AM , Rating: 2
^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh look at that, a member of the MPAA/RIAA stopped by to say "hi."


By sprockkets on 11/13/2007 12:53:13 PM , Rating: 1
You are sooooooo stupid. They raided their offices in May 2006, and have yet to charge them with anything, WHY? Oh, that's right, cause they found nothing they could charge them with.

You think that after operating years in Sweden that they haven't known of their existence? You understand the only reason why they were raided to begin with was due to the US and their bullshit of we are the world and we are the law for everyone?

An MPAA person would only word it the way you do. Why don't you go shove a blue ray disc up your ass, since it won't play anyhow on your officially sanctioned blue ray player due to multiple layers of DRM bull shit, and your HD monitor thinks your player anyhow sometimes is insecure as well.


By sprockkets on 11/13/2007 12:56:17 PM , Rating: 2
Reposting this msg due to it auto rating me to 0:

You are sooooooo stupid. They raided their offices in May 2006, and have yet to charge them with anything, WHY? Oh, that's right, cause they found nothing they could charge them with.

You think that after operating years in Sweden that they haven't known of their existence? You understand the only reason why they were raided to begin with was due to the US and their bullshit of we are the world and we are the law for everyone?

An MPAA person would only word it the way you do. Why don't you go shove a blue ray disc up your ass, since it won't play anyhow on your officially sanctioned blue ray player due to multiple layers of DRM bull shit, and your HD monitor thinks your player anyhow sometimes is insecure as well.


By mindless1 on 11/14/2007 5:52:00 AM , Rating: 1
Actually, you have no evidence. "Most" involved, as-in those pirating vs those complaining, are the pirates. In a democracy, if you choose to live in one, the pirates would not be breaking any laws.

If you choose to hate people for some arbitrary reason, too bad for you. There has never been any excuse for people like you to make the rest of use pay more taxes for prison terms for what we consider irrelevant, supposed crimes.

Screw you for thinking I should pay for imprisoning people for things I don't want to pay taxes to prevent! It's my money and I don't give a hoot what you think I should fund.

If you think it's that important, set an example and donate more of your income than everyone else does. I'll wait, show us proof that you mean what your wrote, the money is the proof.


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