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Super Talent launches its MasterDrive OX, PX SSDs

Super Talent is bulking up its solid-state drive (SSD) family with new, third generation models. The company today announced that its new MasterDrive OX and PX SSDs feature a brand new multi-channel SATA-II controller for increased read/write speeds.

The new 2.5" MasterDrive OX drives employ multi-level cell (MLC) memory and feature read speeds of 150MB/sec and write speeds of 100MB/sec. The drives will be available in capacities of 32GB ($149), 64GB ($259), and 128GB ($419).

Super Talent also made updates to its single-level cell (SLC) SSDs with the new MasterDrive PX family. These drives will be available in capacities of 32GB ($499) or 64GB ($849) and are capable of 170MB/sec reads and 130MB/sec writes.

Interestingly, the MLC-based drives come with a paltry one-year warranty, while the SLC drives are backed by a more respectable three-year warranty.

"In this, our third generation of SATA SSDs, we’ve taken performance to incredible new heights, with sustained read and write speeds that will leave any hard disk drive in the dust," said Joe James, Super Talent Director of Marketing. "At the same time, our MasterDrive SSDs are among the most cost effective solid state storage solutions available."

The drives are expected to be available in the retail market later this week.



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One year warranty...
By d33pblue on 9/16/2008 3:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
What happened to all of this talk about the reliability of flash based drives? For that price I would expect more confidence in the product.




RE: One year warranty...
By AnnihilatorX on 9/16/2008 3:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
The intel one has 3 years warranty. Super Talent had always been in my mind a budget brand.


RE: One year warranty...
By therealnickdanger on 9/16/2008 4:28:50 PM , Rating: 5
... but they are:

SUPER!

TALENT!

Those two words ascribe excellence individually. Combined, you shouldn't even question it!


RE: One year warranty...
By Proxes on 9/16/2008 5:10:52 PM , Rating: 2
about the same as Uber Leet (l33t, 1337)


RE: One year warranty...
By Flunk on 9/16/2008 5:17:21 PM , Rating: 4
It's the poor application of English. Technically a super talent would be something like the superior ability to play the violin. Add that to the fact that I have never heard super used to describe the word talent and you have a name that was obviously thought up by a foreign company that can't afford/be bothered with how absurd their name sounds in English.


RE: One year warranty...
By RjBass on 9/16/2008 5:25:16 PM , Rating: 2
I thought Super Talent was one of only a couple manufacturers still making products in the USA. Or maybe I'm thinking of Patriot.


RE: One year warranty...
By Doormat on 9/16/2008 5:30:58 PM , Rating: 2
Much like G.Skill! Great! Skill!


RE: One year warranty...
By MRsnufalufagus on 9/16/2008 5:44:25 PM , Rating: 1
try

Micro! Soft!


RE: One year warranty...
By rudolphna on 9/16/2008 6:56:55 PM , Rating: 2
What does BFG stand for? I always thought it meant Big F'ing gun. Who knows? Logitech. Logical Technology. eh.. that one makes a little sense. Or JVC. Japan Victory Company. Hmmm....


RE: One year warranty...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/16/2008 7:05:31 PM , Rating: 5
BFG = Big Flappy Gonads, or so I have been told by a weird man on the corner of my street with 50 cats.


RE: One year warranty...
By modus2 on 9/16/2008 11:00:55 PM , Rating: 3
Victor Company of Japan, Limited (??????????, Nippon Bikuta Kabushiki-gaisha) (TYO: 6792), usually referred to as JVC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JVC.


RE: One year warranty...
By Clauzii on 9/17/2008 1:48:20 PM , Rating: 2
If You write JVC without the dot after it's the right Wiki :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JVC


RE: One year warranty...
By boogle on 9/17/2008 7:51:04 AM , Rating: 2
MS is actually fairly logical:

Microcomputer Software

Micro Soft

Microsoft

See, see! Clever innit!


RE: One year warranty...
By MRsnufalufagus on 9/17/2008 7:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
of course, but i was referring to the irony of an OS that unix users consider bloated being called 'micro'. and if you wanted to really stretch the analogy, that it is called soft when apple users consider it a harder operating system. i dunno. back to the joke drawing board.


RE: One year warranty...
By RU482 on 9/17/2008 1:12:06 AM , Rating: 2
that name always makes me think of that boutique in the mall...what is it...OH

FANCY!!!
NAILS!!!


RE: One year warranty...
By Spoelie on 9/17/2008 5:34:13 AM , Rating: 2
How about Geil?
Literally means "horny" in dutch/german and derivatives


RE: One year warranty...
By freaqie on 9/17/2008 10:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
geil means horny in dutch ( i am dutch)
bt it is a german company and in german geil meens something like cool.
also it is GEIL. so it could be a acronym


RE: One year warranty...
By silversound on 9/16/2008 6:25:20 PM , Rating: 1
This is a nice laptop harddrive replacement!
I think 64GB is almost good enough on a laptop, great job super talent! HD maker is in deep trouble...


By Zorlac on 9/16/2008 5:05:48 PM , Rating: 5
When are we going to hear from Microsoft on some Vista patches to natively support SSD? What about the huge list of services (i.e. Defrag, etc.) that should be turned off in Vista when using SSD? Is MS going to post an official list or disable them once Vista recognizes a SSD is installed?

Will new chipsets (i.e. X58/ICH10) support SSD better than old?

Anything else that we are missing besides the SSD controller?




By OCedHrt on 9/16/2008 5:17:59 PM , Rating: 1
That's the same kind of thinking taken by Sandisk. Just because the drive gets completely clobbered when Vista is defragging, doesn't mean it is Microsoft's responsibility.

In terms of flash lifespan related to defragging, the impact is insignificant.


By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 5:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
It’s MSs responsibility as a successful company to keep up with current technology. I expect that they will tweak how Vista interacts with the subtitle differences in how the two differing techs perform. To say it’s not their respocibility is silly and irrelevant.


By DigitalFreak on 9/16/2008 7:00:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It’s MSs responsibility as a successful company to keep up with current technology. I expect that they will tweak how Vista interacts with the subtitle differences in how the two differing techs perform. To say it’s not their respocibility is silly and irrelevant.


How is saying "it's not Microsoft's responsibility" irrelevant?


By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 7:23:21 PM , Rating: 2
MS is a business not a parent. They have a 'responsibility' to their stock holders to keep their software updated with the trend of new and practical technologies.

That’s not relevant though to 99% of us. It’s about business, not parenting. You keep the consumer happy or profit falls.

Is it the 'responsibility' for lil Cindy to sell ultra tasty lemonade? No. Its business. But she might find more consumers buying brand X super delicious lemonaid instead. Evolution of buisness. Make something good or people won’t buy it (as much). Unless you’re a cute child with lemonade, but Ballmer doesn’t strike me as such.


By vapore0n on 9/16/2008 6:56:41 PM , Rating: 3
Given that SSD is still a developing tech and not as available as standard HDs, Id expect Windows 7 to have that magical fix for SSD support.

Which is good, as Vista is too bloated and is not expecting an SSD as its primary storage. Maybe MS will improve Windows and stop all that disk leaching going on in the background


By leexgx on 9/16/2008 7:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
its not that hard for vista to auto disable defrag on SSD drives, all it needs is an windows update (one of the performance updates i guess)


By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 7:25:23 PM , Rating: 3
Alot of the drive thrashing is the search index updating its dumbass self.


By lagomorpha on 9/16/2008 9:03:24 PM , Rating: 2
"Maybe MS will improve Windows and stop all that disk leaching going on in the background"

You'd think if it was a priority they'd have done something about it by now. It's only been a problem since what? Windows 3.0 in 1990? They've had over 18 years...


By icanhascpu on 9/17/2008 12:30:47 AM , Rating: 4
Disk thrashing on a clean install is much worse with Vista than XP or 2000.


I'll wait.
By excrucio on 9/16/2008 3:17:59 PM , Rating: 1
i'll wait until SSD are the same price as the disk drives.
Even though the performance boost is better for everything...I just don't see me dropping 900 bucks for a 64gb, when i can put 120 bucks for a 750 and be satisfied with it. Great accomplishment though..




RE: I'll wait.
By AnnihilatorX on 9/16/2008 3:29:00 PM , Rating: 2
Well the 64GB MLC one is $250.

I compromise on capacity by installing only essential applications you want to speed up and OS only on SSDs, you don't actually need much capacity.

I have photoshop, illustrator, and other small applications that I would like to load fast; and the OS Vista x64 (which is much bigger than XP and Vista x32) installed on my 2x 16GB Mtron RAID0 and have 7GB left. All other apps, common files folder, temp folder are relocated to my 500GB HDD.
Photoshop loads under 3 seconds.

I originally thought 16GB is enough. Unfortunately the windows shadow copy folder (Winsxs) which bloats due to it keeping different dll files of applications you installs, or files updated by windows updates; so that they don't have conflicting dll versions;
take up too much space. For XP however, 16GB is plenty for OS and few big applications.

32GB is more than enough, and for that, you get best compromise between cost and speed.


RE: I'll wait.
By vcespon on 9/16/2008 4:28:53 PM , Rating: 2
Man, that will never happen. SSD is the new technology, rotating-plate disks have existed for like 40 years. We currently have 500 GB 2.5" disks, and probably 2 TB in 2010. You're not going to see a 1TB SDD for a long time, not at sub-$1000 price at least.
Also, for the operating system and applications I would choose a SLC SSD, the write performance of a MLC SSD is too slow when doing small transfers. The speeds advertised by manufacturers are for big sequential transfers (which SSDs do very fast), but the problem is that an OS like Vista does many file access at the same time, and that's problematic on a SSD, specially in MLC ones.


RE: I'll wait.
By kensiko on 9/16/2008 8:33:09 PM , Rating: 2
For small write problem, MFT is the solution. It transforms every small writes into big sequential writes.

We just need someone to program a good software doing that on the OS partition.


RE: I'll wait.
By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 11:19:03 PM , Rating: 1
And what happeneds when there is only one small write. It waits for more over HOW long? You make no sense, son. The problem would still be there.


RE: I'll wait.
By kensiko on 9/17/2008 6:59:11 AM , Rating: 2
That's a technical difficulty of the software.

If you only one have small write and then 10 seconds to do nothing, I suppose the software just write and that's all.

Just read that: http://www.easyco.com/zx1282270131400098159/mft/in...


RE: I'll wait.
By FredEx on 9/17/2008 4:21:26 AM , Rating: 2
I want the tech to mature a while before I jump on it. The improvements are coming fast. I'm guessing the speeds will have doubled and the prices dropped in half on consumer level SSD's in 6 months...or before.


RE: I'll wait.
By winterspan on 9/20/2008 9:10:19 PM , Rating: 2
First of all, it's not an all or nothing endeavor, and the small $900 SLC drive is targeted at the enterprise.
Intel's blazing fast 80GB SSD is $599, and Dell is offering the Samsung 128GB for ~$500, both of which make a great primary drive.
Now, any discussion of SSD vs HDD has to be done in the context of intended use. For a desktop computer with no concerns of size, power use, heat, noise, etc, the benefit of an SSD is not as dramatic, although still is impressive.

But for a laptop, the benefits are clear. More durability, less power consumption, less fan noise, and most importantly, dramatically improved performance. Even the MLC-based Intel SSD blows the doors off of all 2.5" 7200rpm laptop drives, especially for normal productivity/browsing/light multimedia workloads.

In larger models, manufacturers can even easily fit both an SSD and an HDD, giving you the best of both worlds, especially with 1.8" SSDs being available.

It will also be interesting to see if manufacturers create new custom SSD form factors that are more suitable for cramming into a thin laptop. You could have SSDs manufactured as thin long rectangles that can be squeezed into a laptop case. I can certainly see Apple doing something like this to make an even smaller Macbook Air.


Drive Controller?
By Jacerie on 9/16/2008 5:47:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully these drives won't be using the JMicron controller. I'd like to finally see a decently priced SSD that can handle random R/W.




RE: Drive Controller?
By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 6:03:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well I don’t know, it’s not any SSD manufacturers fault if JMicros is messn up their hard drives !!!!111111eleven

^ Said by some asshat in another article.

I agree fully with you. If a bunch of low budget websites (compared to R&D of a moderately large tech company) can find obvious faults and pinpoint then, I would hope the fiasco with OCZ and others using that horrid chip don’t make such blatant mistakes again.

I mean, they are obviously targeting enthusiasts, I don’t know about a lot of you, but I'm pretty damn sure they knew about this and used us to beta test the market and their drive in general. Pretty low imo.


RE: Drive Controller?
By kensiko on 9/16/2008 8:37:27 PM , Rating: 2
I've got the OCZ Core V1 and I'm fully satisfied with it.

On normal use, it's 90% of time faster than my previous SCSI 10krpm drives. I don't feel any drastic stutters. I'm on ICH5, with that chipset, it's even slower than it's supposed to be because it's SATA 1.

Stutter is an Intel driver problem. The main problem here is that Intel chipsets are very popular.


RE: Drive Controller?
By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 10:28:21 PM , Rating: 2
Intel driver issue? Where are you getting that info?

PS: If you feel any stutter (mouse freeze) thats horrible.


RE: Drive Controller?
By kensiko on 9/17/2008 7:00:53 AM , Rating: 2
From readings:
OCZ Forum
Hardware.fr forum
Google


RE: Drive Controller?
By ChiefsLead on 9/19/2008 8:59:22 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if your set up is why you don't see any stuttering? Do you have 3 or 4GB of RAM and your page file turned off? I would like to see some benches where someone compares 4GB of RAM and no page file against, 2 other setups. One with 4GB of RAM and Windows controls the page file and another with 2GB of RAM and 2GB page file. And then to make things really cool, and get the most out of the test, run 2 or 3 bench marks at the same time. Then this would really show who has the best SSD per category.


Good MLC?
By AnnihilatorX on 9/16/2008 3:09:42 PM , Rating: 5
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=7

Hopefully it's implementation of MLC is as good as Intel's




RE: Good MLC?
By Doormat on 9/16/2008 3:40:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, after reading that review, I wont buy a SSD without extensive benchmarks first on a respected website. The small file IO problem is a big deal.


RE: Good MLC?
By Nihility on 9/16/2008 3:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
That's the big question. Are they using the universally terrible jmicron controller or did they find a decent solution.


RE: Good MLC?
By walk2k on 9/16/2008 5:15:29 PM , Rating: 1
Well there's probably a 0% chance they are using the Intel controller unless Intel decides the don't want to keep overcharging for their own drive models, so....


Stuttering...
By UBB on 9/16/2008 4:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
I'll wait to see if extensive reviews show there is no stuttering problem like the OCZ drives suffer from. Both OCZ version 1 and 2 drives suffer from this. Check OCZ's forums, it's littered with people suffering from stuttering problems.




RE: Stuttering...
By AnnihilatorX on 9/16/2008 4:36:24 PM , Rating: 2
The shuttering problem are caused by the controllers in the MLC SSDs. See my post up with link to anandtech for more info.


RE: Stuttering...
By psychobriggsy on 9/17/2008 8:10:32 AM , Rating: 2
Or Intel's SATA drivers.

As Anand didn't test with other chipsets (AMD, NVIDIA), we will never know. Nice of Anand to do a test that destroyed Intel's primary competition though.

(Of course it is a valid issue, simply because Intel chipsets are the most common, and if Intel won't fix the drivers, then the SSDs will need workarounds. Shame that they won't have the in-house advice that Intel had).


glitches?
By swizeus on 9/16/2008 9:59:52 PM , Rating: 2
Do they still have glitches in the third generation ? some 1 second halt operation




RE: glitches?
By icanhascpu on 9/16/2008 10:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
Depends if the controller have been updated or replaced with a better version.


SSD...write at 200MB/s
By vladio on 9/18/2008 8:52:13 PM , Rating: 2
Until SSD's can Write data at 200MB/s or More...
it's just on expensive toy.(period)




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