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  (Source: The Huffington Post)
Many owners blame their unsatisfying experiences on their carrier, not Apple

When it comes to a negative smartphone experience typically either the hardware maker is to blame, the carrier is to blame, or they're both to blame.  For example, with the defect-laden BlackBerry Storm -- briefly hailed as an iPhone competitor a couple years back -- the blame seemed to clearly rest on RIM. 

Today iPhone users are finding themselves in a similar situation.  And by and large they're blaming carrier AT&T for their unsatisfying experiences. A recent study by professionals service firm Deloitte found that close to 50 percent of iPhone owners would be interested in switching to a Verizon iPhone if one became available.

A major segment of iPhone users clearly have their minds set that AT&T is the problem, so the next question becomes whether AT&T is prepared to deal with that when it loses exclusivity in 2012.  On that front, America's second largest carrier seems to be steeling itself, loading up on Android and Windows Phone 7 smartphones.  In fact, AT&T may have the most Windows Phone 7 models of any carrier, with six models reportedly shipping by the holiday season. Also intriguing is that the study discovered that smartphone use is indeed cannibalizing the use of many other consumer electronics.

Interestingly, 55 percent of respondents also said they were not interested in purchasing Apple's popular tablet the iPad.  That could mean a couple of things -- either that the device's appeal is waning, or that the audience for the device doesn't entirely overlap with the audience of the iPhone.

The study also found that 41 percent of respondents said they used their smartphone as a notebook/mobile-internet device (e.g. the iPad) when on the go, and fifteen percent report doing the same at home.  And of 14- to 27-year-olds surveyed, 31 percent report that gaming on their smartphones reduces the time they spend playing video games on console.

The study used online forms to interview 2,000 U.S. consumers between 14 years old and 75 years old.  The study was conducted between June 29 and July 11.




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either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 11:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
either that the device's appeal is waning,


doesn't all apple devices lose appeal as time goes on, they always have hard launches,with fanbois waiting in line, then sales dwindle.




RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By chrish89 on 9/22/2010 12:39:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah rumor is their about declare bankruptcy due to "waining" sales.


By grandpope on 9/23/2010 3:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
Not trying to be a spelling nazi, but if you are going to put a word in quotes, you may want to try to spell it correctly.

just sayin' :)


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 12:47:04 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
doesn't all apple devices lose appeal as time goes on, they always have hard launches,with fanbois waiting in line, then sales dwindle.


Depends on how you interpret reality.

The Macintosh was introduced in 1984. Macintosh sales have grown strongly in recent years and at a faster rate than the overall PC market growth rate.

The annual sales figures for the number of Macs sold for recent years (each year to Q3) has been

2005 1,182,000
2006 1,327,000
2007 1,764,000
2008 2,496,000
2009 2,603,000
2010 3,472,000

Note that total Macintosh sales have doubled in the last five years.

iPods which were introduced in 2001 have sold a total of 275 million since release. In the first year it sold around 270,000. Recent annual sales have been:

2006 39,409,000
2008 51,630,000
2009 54,828,000
2010 41,265,000 (only first three quarters)

The iPhone was released in 2007 and currently tops 59 million units shipped.

New iPhone models are introduced annually and this tends to slightly suppress iPhone sales in the first half of the year as people defer buying until the release of the new model.

By quarter iPhone sales have been:

2007 Q4 1,119,000
2008 Q1 2,315,000
2008 Q2 1,703,000
2008 Q3 717,000
2008 Q4 6,892,000
2009 Q1 4,363,000
2009 Q2 3,793,000
2009 Q3 5,208,000
2009 Q4 7,367,000
2010 Q1 8,700,000
2010 Q2 8,752,000
2010 Q3 8,398,000

Since its release in April 2010 iPad sales were reckoned to be the strongest sales launch figures for any tech device ever. Until recently iPad sales have been constrained by demand exceeding supply. Total sales are likely to be in the 13-15million region for 2010. Estimates for iPad sales next year are in the 25-35 million region.

You tell me - have the sales of Apple products tended to dwindle as time goes by?


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Suntan on 9/22/2010 1:31:39 PM , Rating: 2
This person has too much personally invested in defending Apple...

-Suntan


By MoneyLoo on 9/22/2010 2:15:30 PM , Rating: 2
My fault. I forgot to end my reply with a /sarcasm
:(


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By d4a2n0k on 9/22/10, Rating: 0
By Pirks on 9/22/2010 1:52:02 PM , Rating: 1
Are you fucking dumb or even worse? Can't you see that Tony answered about ONE HOUR AFTER the original poster?

Original post: By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 11:46:21 AM , Rating: 2

Tony's post: By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 12:47:04 PM , Rating: 2

Tony, why are you even posting here, you wanna prove something to mentally ill fucks like this d4a2n0k here? You're just wasting your time. You can't prove anything to mentally ill. Trust me on that.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 2:04:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
You replied in 8 minutes with that trash? You either:

1. Had that retort already typed up and saved in a word doc
2. Frantically googled for numbers
3. Are a loser
4. All of the above


Sorry perhaps I misunderstood the rules of discourse around here. I foolishly thought that if someone makes a statement of fact the best thing to do if you want to check the validity of that statement is to actually check the facts.

This is supposed to be a tech site and I would at least expect a modicum of rationality. The notion that via the wonders of the internet one can quickly search for and acquire the facts should not be a shock to anyone nor should it considered to be odd to check the facts.

I simply, quickly and easily gathered the data relating to the statement that Apple's sales tend to dwindle after a post launch surge, and then posted the facts here so that the original poster and anybody reading these comments could make up their own minds.

Obviously this will be a bit disturbing if the actuality of reality conflicts with the inner imagined world of some people. On the whole I would suggest that living in the real world is preferable to living in an imagined one and that facts and evidence are a better way to judge what is really happening in the world rather than, say, dreams and imaginings.

Incidentally describing facts as "trash" won't make them go away no matter how inconvienient they are.

Postscript. I recently retired early (partly because of investing a chunk of my pension in Apple shares a while back) and having a lot of time on my hands to dabble in anything I want to is a wonderful thing after decades of the 9-5.


By phantom505 on 9/22/2010 10:40:21 PM , Rating: 1
Rationality? On this site? What site have you been reading? Most of the people here think the are Libratarians because life has been good to them so far. I honestly hope they become unemployed for a bit so they can understand what it means to be fearful of falling through the cracks.

Until then, they won't get it. Nor will they understand you, with you know.... with evidence.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By The Raven on 9/23/2010 10:48:39 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Postscript. I recently retired early (partly because of investing a chunk of my pension in Apple shares a while back)


Congrats on retirement. Hopefully you won't have to go back to work soon with the mess that the gov't has cooked up. (I mean that sincerely).

But this explains why someone as sharp as you comes off as such a fanboy. Now that you have retired and made your millions off of Apple you can tell the truth about how you feel about Apple products ;-)

P.S. Who types out postscript? Really.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/23/2010 11:07:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Congrats on retirement. Hopefully you won't have to go back to work soon with the mess that the gov't has cooked up. (I mean that sincerely).

But this explains why someone as sharp as you comes off as such a fanboy. Now that you have retired and made your millions off of Apple you can tell the truth about how you feel about Apple products ;-)


Thanks. Part of me just an old hippie that loves to play and not work.

I fell in love with Macs back in the 1980s when I first got one for the design business I had. Even with Apple's lost decade being run by bozos the Mac OS always felt so much better than Windows and then with Microsofts giant Longhorn fumble the MacOS got away from them again this time definitively. By the the time MS almost caught up with Apple with Windows 7 they were already running in the wrong race.

I undertand the way people are infatuated with Google but to me it just seems a company without any aethstetic, too many algorithms and not enough culture.

quote:
P.S. Who types out postscript? Really.


a) People with too much time on their hands

b) People who have spent years writing up formal reports

c) old duffers

i.e. people like me :)


By The Raven on 9/27/2010 10:38:07 AM , Rating: 2
lol

For what its worth I think they are both running in the wrong direction. More freedom will equal more sales. That is exactly what we saw with the iPhone. No other phone made it that easy to make your own apps. Now that Android is out iPhoning the iPhone by making even more apps possible on the devices (i.e. porn apps lol). Not to mention people have a broad selection of hardware to use Android on.

It was the same with Windows. Apple wanted to ensure a safe stable experience and MS wanted to sell whatever people would buy. Well there were many things that people want to run on their systems and Windows allowed them to do that. It was (and is, in many cases) a choice. Stability or freedom. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...

quote:
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! - Samuel Adams


In theory a good Linux distro would have both, but up until now (mostly due to a lack of great apps) Windows has been the sweet spot for the populous. But that is changing. I (an average user) have all my needs satisfied on my Dell D600 running Ubuntu. A monkey could find and install everything they need on the thing. Some things still need work, but it is only a matter of tweaking a thing or two here and there before anyone could have a problem free experience with it. Just 1-2 years ago there would be major issues getting peripherals to work and what not. But I don't hear much of that anymore. And there are other distros like Mint that make it even that much easier to get into it.

[I think that there will always be a place for proprietary software, but the majority of people should be using FOSS.
I feel Apple and MS should be kind of like that "As Seen on TV" stuff where it is a great idea and would help a lot of people do more sit ups and what not, but the vast majority do them fine with no equipment at all.]

But I think it is a great time to get out of Apple stock because the history book is repeating itself in my eyes. Hopefully it won't be MS who benifits from this though. They've had their chance to make right and didn't.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Mitch101 on 9/22/2010 1:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
Ill give you props for your response. I can appreciate a valid response with information instead of the usual "windows sucks" dribble.

I kind of welcome Apple because they are grabbing all the Windows Problem people that never defraged or did a windows update and install every application ever sent to them and open every piece of e-mail from anonymous sources. The same people who search for the Any key bought Apples which is making supporting Windows so much easier now that they are gone.

Basically PEBCAK/404/ID10T users are Apples problem now instead of mine. Thankyou Apple.

Want proof apple users are PEBCAK/404/ID10T. Their users accepted a rubber band as a fix to faulty hardware.


By Pirks on 9/22/2010 2:00:28 PM , Rating: 2
Majority of users are PEBCAK/404/ID10T types, so thank you Apple for luring most users to your platform.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By sviola on 9/22/2010 2:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
2010 Q2 8,752,000
2010 Q3 8,398,000

354k less phones selled is a 4% reduction in sales. The iphone antenna issue might have had some impact on iphone sales afterall.

As for Q4, with the WP7 launch, new Android phones and (who knows) Nokia's new line up, they will face tougher competition and may see another decrease in sales, altough I wouldn't put any money on it.

Also, would you mind adding the sources for those numbers? As well as adding real numbers for the iPad, not estimates?


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 2:53:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Also, would you mind adding the sources for those numbers? As well as adding real numbers for the iPad, not estimates?


I googled to a number of data sources, the best were:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_q...

http://www.reghardware.com/2010/07/21/strong_mac_s...

http://www.macworld.com/article/152825/2010/07/app...

iPad sales actual figures are tricker. I think the figure for the first (partial quarter) after launch was 3 million based mostly on US sales. The second quarter (of iPad sales) should be reported shortly. Many sources have indicated an increased manufacture level in response to demand of around 3 million a month and stocks are so low that one must presume that they are all being sold as soon as the arrive in the retail channel (Apple does not carry large stock).

Since the initial launch the iPad has been rolled out into a steady stream of new countries. Based on reasonable good analysts (not as good as real data but the best we have at the moment) a figure of 13-15 million iPads in 2010 looks entirely feasible.

Given that if that 2010 figure is correct (and it only covers a three quarter year since launch and the period of the global supply/deployment ramp up) a figure double the 2010 figure for 2011 would seem a reasonable conjecture. We will have to wait to see.

quote:
2010 Q2 8,752,000
2010 Q3 8,398,000

354k less phones selled is a 4% reduction in sales. The iphone antenna issue might have had some impact on iphone sales afterall.


You are right the antenna issue may have impacted iPhone 4 sales, although like the iPad the iPhone 4 seemed to be constrained by supply in most countries so demand looks strong. The figure for the first full quarter of iPhone sales since launch should be released very soon so lets wait until we have hard data to call that one.

And of course a glitch in growth caused by an adverse media storm is not the same as sales dwindling.


By sviola on 9/22/2010 3:21:05 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the links.

As for the ipads, I did some searching, and couldn't find any links that would give me precise information (all I found were 6-7 million estimates, from a bunch of sources, including iSuppli, and they were most from around the launch time, so I was looking forward for a newer source).


By The Raven on 9/23/2010 10:51:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
although like the iPad the iPhone 4 seemed to be constrained by supply in most countries so demand looks strong.


This sounds like "Tickle-Me Elmo" and "Teddy Ruxpin" to me. But time will tell.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 3:30:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You tell me - have the sales of Apple products tended to dwindle as time goes by?


you post is confusing, i believe your attempting to counter but not sure....

a sucessful counter would be month to month sales....

to show annual sales just shows how Apple iDiots run out to buy the new revision of the product they already own...since they do so every year....i know quite a few that run out to buy the new iPhone every year once one comes out.....


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 3:46:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
you post is confusing, i believe your attempting to counter but not sure....

a sucessful counter would be month to month sales....

to show annual sales just shows how Apple iDiots run out to buy the new revision of the product they already own...since they do so every year....i know quite a few that run out to buy the new iPhone every year once one comes out.....


How about hour to hour sales - or perhaps by the second.

Christ what some people will do to resist a simple fact.

You said Apple product sales tended to dwindle after the launch period. I offered a set of hard data showing that generally that was not the case. The sensible thing would to acknowledge with dignity that perhaps the facts do not support your hypothesis rather than respond by obfuscating.

quote:
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.... After you’ve not fooled yourself, it’s easy not to fool others. You just have to be honest in a conventional way after that.
Richard Feynman:


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 4:24:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You said Apple product sales tended to dwindle after the launch period.


you even quoted me....

is a launch period a year no its the first couple months.

quote:
Christ what some people will do to resist a simple fact.


yes you do.


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 5:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
You said Apple product sales tended to dwindle after the launch period.

you even quoted me....

is a launch period a year no its the first couple months.

quote:
Christ what some people will do to resist a simple fact.

yes you do.


Sorry now I am the confused one.

Your original post said this:
quote:
doesn't all apple devices lose appeal as time goes on, they always have hard launches,with fanbois waiting in line, then sales dwindle.


I take that to mean that you are proposing the idea that most Apple products after a period of increasing sales immediately following its launch see declining sales figures.

I listed the most important Apple products, the Macintosh, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad and got data on their respective sales figures over time by doing a simple internet search which showed that the sales of most important Apple products have not declined after their launch period.

Some Apple products such as the Macintosh are currently enjoying the highest sales figures and ongoing sales growth over 25 years after their launch.

The iPod has shown strong growth over the whole of the nine years since its launch. We don't have the iPod sales figures for the whole of 2010 yet so no conclusions can be drawn other than to note that at 45 million by quarter 3 and with the holiday season coming it is entirely possible that iPod sales will exceed last year's 55 million.

The iPhone shows a pattern of strong growth since its launch in 2007 but sales seem to plateau or even decline each year for the period prior to its annual refresh before climbing to new heights once the new model is released. The iPhone sales figure shows a continuing up trend but the graph line is not straight and has seasonality like the iPod. But the trend is up. We don't yet have figures for a full quarter of the new iPhone 4 sales. Some commentators with a past track record of accurate estimates are estimating 14 million iPhones for the holiday quarter this year - a new record high.

See
http://www.asymco.com/2010/09/22/forecasting-iphon...

iPad sales were at 3 million a quarter in its first quarter after launch and there is a lot of evidence that that figured has been surpassed by a considerable margin in the last quarter. We don't have much hard data yet on the iPad. There is no evidence I could find that in anyway indicated that iPad sales are declining, all the evidence seems to strongly suggest ongoing strong sales growth.

What I cannot see anywhere in the data is any evidence to support your proposition that Apple products sales dwindle after a launch period. Do you have any data to support that proposition?


RE: either that the device's appeal is waning,
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 6:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I take that to mean that you are proposing the idea that most Apple products after a period of increasing sales immediately following its launch see declining sales figures.


Nope i meant after first launch, which are pretty strong decline after the first month or two...until their next launch....


By Tony Swash on 9/22/2010 6:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nope i meant after first launch, which are pretty strong decline after the first month or two...until their next launch....


You seem to talking about seasonal variations between quarters which may be triggered by product refreshes or by holiday seasons sales. Surely the key point is that Apple core products have shown ongoing a significant growth so in no sense can you say that their sales have dwindled. Some quarters may be higher or lower, some months may be higher or lower, some days may be higher or lower. But over time the sales trend is up and not down.

There is a saying. When you are in a hole stop digging.


By The Raven on 9/23/2010 10:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like good numbers to me, but how does this stack up against population change, real value of currency, and change in consumer intellegence quotient.

But you did sufficiently answered the OP imho.


So which is it...2012 or 2011?
By Cr0nJ0b on 9/22/2010 11:34:43 AM , Rating: 2
I assumed based on all the SEC filings that AT&T was preparing their investors for an end to the iphone monopoly in 2011...but then I also read all the reports about the deal lasting a full 5 years and ending sometime in 2012. I will not wait to 2012. I'm not even sure I'll wait till 2011. I hate my service with such a passion that I can't properly express the feelings. I see commercials from AT&T about their coverage and quality and I want to scream. I drop at least 2 calls a day at a Minimum. I get poor quality connections about 20% of the time and I get patchy, blotchy calls about 30% of the time. I'm just one guy living in southern california, but I have to believe I'm not the only one. I can't take it anymore.

I was talking to my sister about Droid and she was telling me how it's just not the same (bad apps, not fluid, clunky interface) and i said...does it make calls? DOes it work on Verizon? That beats the iphone today.

But with all that said, I still really like the interface and the software details that apple included in the phone. I'm not a fanboy (i generally hate all things mac), but as an entertainment device it works for me. I would likely stick with the platform if they moved to verizon in the next 6 months, but if they stick with AT&T, I will go to an Android platform and likely never look back.




By yomamafor1 on 9/22/2010 11:39:07 AM , Rating: 2
As an owner of the 3GS, I absolutely understand, and feel your pain.


RE: So which is it...2012 or 2011?
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 11:51:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
but as an entertainment device it works for me.


all smart phones have this capability, i was doing all that the iPhone does on my Win Mobile even before the iPod even came out. if multimedia is really important and you view movies on you phone, the best you can get would be Galaxy S. as an ex iPod and iPhone owner i can safely say that all media, whether it is music or video will work on any other smart phone.


By Mojo the Monkey on 9/22/2010 1:34:17 PM , Rating: 2
The Samsung-flavored OS layer on the galaxy S devices will also remind you of the iPhone interface. Its a very different experience vs the droid. I used to be a proponent of vanilla-only android, but it has grown on me. The app screen scrolling is nearly identical to the iPhone, as are a few other features. I kind of like it - I just wish that it didnt delay OS updates by a few months.


RE: So which is it...2012 or 2011?
By dubldwn on 9/22/2010 12:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I still really like the interface and the software details that apple included in the phone. I'm not a fanboy (i generally hate all things mac), but as an entertainment device it works for me.

There’s probably a lot of us 3GS people looking at different options right now. Lets face it, when the 3GS was released in June of ’09 it was by far the best multimedia phone, although as a system builder I’ve typically ignored Apple products. Windows Phone 7 is definitely gonna get a look.


RE: So which is it...2012 or 2011?
By kmmatney on 9/22/2010 5:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
I have pretty good service with AT&T in Denver - except for my workplace - which is at home in my basement. I going to see if my work will pay for a 3G Microcell (I'm certain they will). Besides my basement, coverage has been decent everywhere else around here.

I do like Apple's interface - I've been to the Verizon store to try out the Droids, but the interface doesn't quite seem as slick. I still have another 9 months to figure out what I'll do for my next phone, but I'm pretty happy with the 3GS.


is there really a difference?
By wushuktl on 9/22/2010 11:46:05 AM , Rating: 3
Is verizon really all that much better? how do they know? how do they know if they're not already on the network? i'm on at&t and never have any problems. wouldn't verizon possibly have overload issues if everyone switched over at once without beefing up their infastructure?




RE: is there really a difference?
By muhahaaha on 9/22/2010 12:37:31 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. I have been on Verizon for 2 years now, and have never dropped a single call. Their service is fantastic, and their coverage is almost everywhere.

I was hiking out in the middle of the AZ desert a few weeks ago, and sent my friends picture texts while climbing a mountain. 3 or 4 bars.


RE: is there really a difference?
By SAmely on 9/22/2010 1:34:26 PM , Rating: 2
I definitely concur.

Took a road trip a few years back from Vegas up to Reno into Oregon. My girl had Verizon, I had Sprint. Let's just say I didn't use my phone much, while she never had a single problem. It's pretty desolate between Vegas and Reno, too.


By Tiffany Kaiser on 9/22/2010 4:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. When I had AT&T, I didn't even bother bringing my phone with me to places like the Rocky Mountains or more remote parts of the U.S. My friend with Verizon, much like SAmely's girl, had no trouble the entire trip. I would never consider an iPhone unless they switched to Verizon.


I yearn...
By MrBlastman on 9/22/2010 11:16:45 AM , Rating: 1
For a world without Apple, and I still don't get my wish.

Per the word of Jobs, "Thou shalt suffer under my wrath. Any who oppose my word will pay the penalties inscribed by me. Thou shalt use your phones and like it!"

Unless Steve deems it so, they will continue to suffer.




RE: I yearn...
By SirKronan on 9/23/2010 12:20:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
For a world without Apple, and I still don't get my wish.


Well, have fun yearning for less competition, less selection and market variety, (arguably less innovation, depending on whose side you're on,) and higher priced devices then. I don't know why anyone would yearn for a major competitor and sales leader to disappear. Whether you hate Apple products is irrelevant. The fact that they improve their tech, compete, and sell stuff successfully will do nothing but raise the bar AND LOWER THE PRICE of products that you DO LIKE and DO WANT to buy.

By yearning for Apple to disappear, you yearn for higher prices and less competitive phone tech. I'm very happy for any positive influence Apple might have had on the smartphone market, and however it may have helped lead to development of lots of great droid phones, including the one that I own.

Might want to re-think your yearnings, sir....


RE: I yearn...
By MrBlastman on 9/23/2010 9:02:17 AM , Rating: 2
Haha, don't make me laugh.

quote:
By yearning for Apple to disappear, you yearn for higher prices and less competitive phone tech.


Apple's prices are already the highest! And their tech... well, it is average at best. So, really, what do we lose by having them go away?

Nothing, except people focusing on better choices that cost less.


RE: I yearn...
By Tony Swash on 9/23/2010 9:35:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple's prices are already the highest! And their tech... well, it is average at best. So, really, what do we lose by having them go away?


The tech industry without Apple would be like a car without a steering wheel.

Where would it go if it wasn't led by Apple?


Free Me from AT&T!!!
By MarieJourney on 9/22/2010 11:26:12 AM , Rating: 1
Yes, I am an iPhone junkie & looking to switch to the Droid...because of AT&T's crazy billing, poor service (Dropped calls, vanishing txt messages, voicemails popping up a week later...)




RE: Free Me from AT&T!!!
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 11:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, I am an iPhone junkie & looking to switch to the Droid...because of AT&T's crazy billing, poor service (Dropped calls, vanishing txt messages, voicemails popping up a week later...)


you should, i too used to have an iphone. the early days of android i found mediocre, but as of late, it had really blossomed into an incredible OS and the hardware is fantastic.......

i went to Sprint (sure ill get some grief) and i love it, me and the wife have EVO's and my 2 kids both have Epic's and all 4 lines are under $200. i remember to get all of the features i get with sprint, my iPhone bill on AT&T just for me was around $169.


RE: Free Me from AT&T!!!
By MarieJourney on 9/22/2010 11:58:17 AM , Rating: 2
You have given me hope! Looking to move as soon as my contract is up: Enough is enough. Apple needs to change providers ASAP or the avalanche of lost business will soon be a reality.


RE: Free Me from AT&T!!!
By Gio6518 on 9/22/2010 12:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple needs to change providers ASAP or the avalanche of lost business will soon be a reality.


it already is, thats why they rushed the iPhone 4 out before it was ready.


Bored of the iPad
By Gungel on 9/22/2010 11:37:31 AM , Rating: 5
I'm already bored of the iPad. I just sold it in ebay for almost the same as I paid 3 months ago. The limitations and costly subscriptions wasn't worth my time, especially when I can get the same information on my phone for free. Maybe I would look at a 7" pad again if it supports an open standard.




Lies!!!
By amanojaku on 9/22/2010 11:44:23 AM , Rating: 3
I don't believe any of this. Apple picked AT&T as the carrier; if customers are dissatisfied with AT&T's service that would mean Apple made a mistake. And Apple never makes mistakes.

NEVER




RE: Lies!!!
By Pirks on 9/22/2010 2:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Apple picked AT&T as the carrier
It's not like Apple had much choice back then, so nothing to blame them for. Verizon wasn't wailing and crying kissing Jobs ass in order to get iPhone at ANY cost. Things were quite THE OPPOSITE back then. Read some iPhone history articles, I think The Wired posted an excellent one last year.


In other news...
By quiksilvr on 9/22/2010 11:05:36 AM , Rating: 2
*insert witty obvious statement here*




All I know is...
By JeffCos on 9/22/2010 11:22:34 AM , Rating: 2
I don't get signal with my Iphone 4, where I used to get signal with my 3G. I doubt AT&T removed a cell site. Yes, I have my lovely and stylish free case.




2 bits
By kake on 9/22/2010 11:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
I personally think a lot of someone's provider experience depends on where they live and use they phone. For example where I live, AT&T has much better coverage, to the point that if you travel more than five miles outside the metropolitan area, it's either AT&T or inconsistent or no signal. My boss has Verizon and on a weekly basis experiences that "You have one new message. From two weeks ago" issue as well, which is one of the weirdest and most frustrating things ever. I never have. [note: I'm not a fan of AT&T by any stretch. I think they charge too much for what we get, but my wife won't let me change carriers.]

We just completed a remodel of a Verizon store locally (and hope to do more), and their staff is reasonably knowledgeable and friendly. Also, as I was in the back areas often during working hours, I overheard a lot of employee to employee conversations about their customers. Although there were the occasional "Oh my god this guy is driving me crazy!" comments, even then they always tried to do their best for the best of the customer. I was reasonably impressed.




Validity of Jason Mick
By blamb18 on 9/22/2010 4:54:38 PM , Rating: 2
It just doesn't make sense all of the figures jason mick has come up with. Jason quotes Ed Moran about a number of defections to another carrier of the iPhone - how many, 15 , 16 or even 9 or 10? Not very smart for an unreliable blogger. AT&T is doing very well, thank you




iPhone owners are just a bunch of whinning babies
By chick0n on 9/22/2010 8:06:30 PM , Rating: 1
They know what they're getting. they know they're "locked" into AT&T.

but they still sign up cuz "OMG THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY ! IT CHANGES EVERYTHING AGAIN!"

So its their fault.

Now they're bitching? get a f-ing life.

bunch of iFuckTards.




By phantom505 on 9/22/2010 10:41:54 PM , Rating: 1
Not sure what to make of the iFuckTards part of that statement. Sounds like it should be illegal though.


So many holes!
By androticus on 9/23/2010 10:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
I can't remember the last time I heard someone on another carrier complain to me about having bad service somewhere, but finding I had great service on AT&T. Conversely, I frequently find that when I have almost no service, or almost no data service, that someone else with me on another carrier has perfectly adequate or even great service. I was on a mtn bike ride last Sunday and we stopped hundred yards or so from a huge cell tower on a big hill (sadly, to help one of us nurse wounds from a fall), and I remember chuckling that at least we'd have cell coverage if we needed help! But then I pulled out my phone, and barely nothing -- obviously this prime coverage was for some other carrier. The Krogers and Walmart near where I live both often give me zero service -- imagine an area so populated it has a Walmart, but almost no AT&T coverage!

I love my iPhone, but I really don't like AT&T




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