Sources: PNAS, University of California Irvine
quote: "Denial" implies an absolute fact is in dispute. This debate is far from phrasing people as "deniers".
quote: Despite the fact that the paper's discussed scenarios are well outside the IPCC's predicted warming envelope, the UCI researchers are happy to speculate and reposition them to try to draw a connection to current warming.Comments Francesca Hopkins a Ph.D candidate in the college's Earth System Science department, "We found that decades-old carbon in surface soils is released to the atmosphere faster when temperatures become warmer. This suggests that soils could accelerate global warming through a vicious cycle in which human-made warming releases carbon from soils to the atmosphere, which, in turn, would warm the planet more."
quote: This is only an issue in the USA. There is minimal debate outside it.
quote: How many government grants would be given to scientists who wanted to prove that solar activity is the biggest influence on global temperature? None. Because there's no money to be made with so-called "green" industries such as carbon-trading scams and international wealth redistribution.
quote: Wealth does need to be redistributed. We grow more than enough food to feed everyone and give them a good standard of living. Yet over half the population live on less than $10 USD a day, while a few hundred men and women hoard billions. Somethings gotta give eventually.
quote: So it makes no difference if a person works hard all their life and makes good decisions concerning their finances or if a person sits on their posterior their whole life and makes poor decisions concerning their finances, they should both be entitled to the same amount of money no matter what?
quote: Why not take it farther, do away with money, make everyone live in a house with the exact same floor plan, all wear the same clothing, have the same haircuts, heck lets all have the same names then we would all be equal.
quote: I don't say that the playing field should not be equal for everyone, that is totally different. Everyone should have the same opportunity to advance, but you shouldn't advance as much as someone else if you don't put in the same effort.
quote: Also maybe some of those people who make the equivalent of $10/day($3,650/year) might be better off than someone like me making $45,000/year. They probably even get some weekends off to enjoy themselves more often than I do.
quote: The effect of removing trees and other plants/algae that consume CO2 and increasing the amount of CO2 by burning fossil fuels could have the effect however of speeding the warming process that is naturally occurring. That of creating an even greater greenhouse effect than should normally be happening. Similar to what happened on Venus, a run away greenhouse.
quote: Is it possible for the continual burning of massive quantities of fossil fuels for decades to not have a warning effect?
quote: The science is easy, if you add more CO2 to a closed system, it gets hotter, not hard to understand
quote: Sure, you could argue that there isn't meant to be ice at the poles. Any idea what effect this might have on the climate, rainfall, seasons? Increase global temperatures and you increase desertification, habitat loss, and decrease biodiversity. The science of this is pretty much bulletproof, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. New organisms will take their place, maybe, probably. Evolution will carry on. But how long would it take? Do you want to be around while it does? It wont be fun.
quote: There are much bigger problems to the world's soil then global warming. Let's fix the problems caused by the "green revolution" and pumping the ground full with poisons and chemicals first, before we worry about a theoretical hazard.
quote: I tend to agree again lets worry about immediate problems like facist rogue nations and Marxist revolutionaries trying to turn the west into another set of third world nations these types of "effects" are impacting the world now.
quote: Every time the Earth has warmed or cooled life has adapted and flourished under the new conditions.
quote: The point of taking action is to retain a livable climate for the life that exists now and to keep change slow so that life has a better chance to adapt.
quote: But this is the problem with the current belief in AGW. Believing that how the world is now, is how we should force it to be. If man tries to fight the course of nature he will lose. The best course of action is to adapt to the changes.
quote: 2 - You say if we try to fight the course of nature, we will 'lose' - how do you know, have we tried? What is certain is that if we don't change the course of nature and nature decides to not present us the ideal conditions we have now, we could face mass extinctions.
quote: 3 - Best course is to 'adapt to the changes'.... sorry but that's a last resort. If we can't control our environment and environment is uninhabitable for us, our last hope is to artificially 'adapt' technology to help us survive, but it's not a sustainable approach and it's not a long term solution.
quote: 1 - We like the earth how it is now. If we could force it to, we'd make it stay like this forever. Any change to that could threaten our existence. The natural cycle of the earth doesn't care about human survival.
quote: supposed melting of the glaciers causing sea levels to catastrophically rise.
quote: Taken together, the imagery shows that glaciers in the region were melting even faster in the 1930s than they are today
quote: WOW.. you read a whole lot more into what i said then i did. thanks! all i said was that the claim of unprecedented melting isnt quite true. nothing more, nothing less. next time instead of trying to tell me what I think..to support your own views it seems..how about you ask me directly? or are you not prepared for rational dialog?
quote: yet.. all we hear is about how "unprecedented" the melting is today
quote: I am prepared for rational dialog, but worry given the last question that perhaps we have not recognized each other as rational agents. So perhaps my preparedness is not matched by an equivalent readiness if it is so easy for you to slip into imagining I am an irrational individual.
quote: I am prepared for rational dialog, but worry given the last question that perhaps we have not recognized each other as rational agents.
quote: I think it was a fair inference that you saw this article as supporting evidence for a claim that current concerns about glacial melt are overblown.
quote: It is my pleasure to meet you then
quote: As someone who has actual science training, I get annoyed at the outlandish claims made by some, though usually its claims being made by "reporters" who do not understand the science papers they claim to read......With or without us, the planet will most likely continue to warm as geologic history has shown and that will mean higher sea levels and a higher Ph for the oceans, but it is not "unprecedented" as you see brandied about in the media
quote: One thing that has annoyed me for some time is the environmental movements change of focus from actual pollution of the air, water and land, which is a REAL issue to trying to demonize CO2.
quote: The field of global warming research has suffered in recent years from...
quote: poorly written blog posts.
quote: non-peer reviewed
quote: Intentionally polarizing,