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U.S. Army Staff Sgt. David Aleman watches over soldiers during Operation Marne  (Source: Sgt. Ben Brody, U.S. Army)
A student and member of the Army National Guard is helping create new body armor

Researchers from the University of Virginia are developing a new generation of body armor that has numerous improvements over the vests currently worn by U.S. soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The team is led by Army Sgt. Jeff O'Dell, a sergeant in the Army National Guard, who is working alongside fellow University of Virginia students Ann Bailey, Adam Rogers and Dan Abebayehu.  O'Dell knows the Enhanced Small Arms Protective Inserts currently used by soldiers can help save lives, but they are bulky, restrict movement and typically cannot stop multiple rounds.

"This project has been a real opportunity to work on something that will actually make a difference," Bailey said.  "I also like the fact that we're at a school with so many resources and where the professors are so willing to help."

The armored vests can weigh up to 30 pounds and can certainly be improved, O'Dell, a double major in mechanical engineering and biomedical engineering, understood when he took a Design Discovery class.  Even though the semester-long class is now over, everyone involved has continued to conduct research into how they can make better armor.  

The team has redesigned armor currently used by military personnel, but with several major improvements over the current generation.  After thinking of reasons why armor used today is unable to stop multiple rounds, they went to the drawing board with numerous ideas they wanted to work on.

O'Dell and his team created armor that is able to stop multiple armor-piercing bullets along with dispersing shock force when a bullet impacts the vest.  Their design pattern is "able to withstand multiple impacts," and has proven to be highly successful when compared to current body armor used by the military and police.

“The Army is interested because we’ve come up with a design that offers flexibility and more capability for stopping multiple armor-piercing rounds,” O’Dell said. “A lot of it has to do with our design, and a lot of it is the material we’re changing.”

The U.S. Army and researchers have already completed the first round of testing at the H.P. White Lab in Maryland, with Army officials to be present at the second trial test of the armor.



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Lookup Dragon Skin
By Expunge on 3/3/2009 10:58:40 AM , Rating: 4
it doesn't sound like the same thing exactly but the Discovery channel had a program a while ago called Future Weapons. In this program one of the items demonstrated was body armor called Dragon Skin .

They unloaded clips of 5.56, 9mm, and 7.62 with no penetration of the armor. Finally they detonated a grenade between the ground and the armored vest (on a mannequin) and still no penetration.

Google it for yourself, it is some great stuff.




RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By FITCamaro on 3/3/2009 12:16:00 PM , Rating: 3
Unless you're wearing it on your face, hands, and feet though a grenade will still kill you.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Ryanman on 3/3/2009 12:22:25 PM , Rating: 5
yeah.... we know.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Expunge on 3/3/2009 12:34:12 PM , Rating: 3
I didnt realize you will die from losing a hand or a foot.. <insert sarcasm>

Give me a break dude.. Short of being in an armored vehicle of course you can be hit with schrapnel in a unarmored part of your body.

My post was to inform the public that their is already a bad ass piece of body armor out there that does what this article describes.

Dragon Skin has been available since 2006 . It's nothing new and frankly I am suprised it was not mentioned. Anybody that has followed body armor in the last couple of years should know about it.

And last if I was back on the battlefield, I would choose Dragon Skin over anything and everything else that is government issued.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By 67STANG on 3/3/2009 1:31:19 PM , Rating: 3
Pinnacle in Fresno,CA makes Dragon Skin. It has been proven time and time again that is is vastly superior to anything that the armed forces are using. The fact of the matter is, that the military will not buy it. Not only will they not buy it, but they've banned it's use. Soldiers who tried to buy it themselves were told they could not use it...

They clain it is inferior to what they are using and failed their tests. I think what it comes down to is that the current body armor manufacturer is buddies with someone in the Pentagon. Plain and simple.

I mean come on, the guy that invented the Interceptor vests they currently use is quoted as saying "Dragon skin is the best out there."

http://www.impactlab.com/2008/06/20/future-weapons...


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Steve1981 on 3/3/2009 1:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
I've heard of it, but last I heard, it was involved in a bit of controversy regarding some performance testing gone awry.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By shin0bi272 on 3/3/2009 3:08:56 PM , Rating: 2
see my reply to the OP about the controversy


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By grandpope on 3/3/2009 3:45:38 PM , Rating: 5
There is a great amount of controversy, and a lot of it revolves around the fact that the current supplier of ESAPI body armor has a lot more pull at the pentagon than a small company like Pinnacle Armor does. Look up the product divisions of Armor Holdings and BAE Systems, it is mind boggling how many security areas they have their hands in.

A while back the military wanted to purchase the patents from PA, and they declined. Since then, PA has been inundated with difficulties selling to the military, and are having to struggle with the DOJ to even get them certified. There used to be articles by the owner of PA discussing their travails with the military, along with scans of letters received, but it appears they have been taken down. The Internet Archive's WayBack Machine still has archives of them though. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://pinnaclearmor.... - be sure to look at the dates of Oct 11 - Nov 28, 2007.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By ArcliteHawaii on 3/9/2009 7:18:59 AM , Rating: 2
Why did it fail the Army tests? B/C the army didn't test it. The maker of the current armor the Army uses tested it and declared that it failed. From Wikipedia:
quote:
On June 6, 2006 in comments posted on an online discussion forum, Karl Masters, director of engineering for Program Manager - Soldier Equipment, said he recently supervised the retest and commented on it. "I was recently tasked by the army to conduct the test of the 30 Dragon Skin SOV-3000 level IV body armor purchased for T&E [tests and evaluation]," Masters wrote. "My day job is acting product manager for Interceptor Body Armor. I'm under a gag order until the test results make it up the chain. I will, however, offer an enlightened and informed recommendation to anyone considering purchasing an SOV-3000 Dragon Skin - don't. I do not recommend this design for use in an AOR with a 7.62x54R AP threat and an ambient temperature that could range to 120 F. I do, however, highly recommend this system for use by insurgents..."[23]

Well, shit, if I made Pepsi, and the gov't asked me to test Coke to see which one tastes better, which one would I choose?

Here's another thing: Pinnacle Armor makes a level 5 Dragon body armor that does what no current body armor does: stops 7.63x54r and 30 06 armor piercing sniper rounds (the big, single shot rounds with much greater velocity and mass than standard assault rifle rounds). This armor is so good that that US gov't declared it a state secret, while denying it's use to the infantry.

Why is it that all of the public tests done by independent testers (several) have all shown Dragon Skin to be superior (not to mention the CIA), yet the Army and Navy tests where it failed are classified. Funny how things work out when there's no transparency, isn't it? The whole thing reeks of corruption while our troops die.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By ekv on 3/3/2009 4:19:22 PM , Rating: 2
The stopping power of Dragon Skin is essential, I agree. I'm curious though ... given that Sgt. Jeff O'Dell is also majoring in biomedical engineering, would the fit -- hence comfort, "desire" and ability to wear for extended periods of time -- be somewhat better than Dragon Skin? Running around in ill-fitting football pads slows you down, so you trade off some pain for performance.

There is also a point nobody else has brought up, and that is internal hemorrhaging. Stopping the bullet is good, but if the energy from the bullet is transferred against an internal organ the bruising can be life threatening, even though the body armor was not penetrated.

Of course, the point is moot if their body armor doesn't have the stopping power.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By ironargonaut on 3/13/2009 5:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
Michel Yon a reporter who has been in combat and covered more of the wars then any other western reporter, purchased Dragon skin armor. He sold his because it restricted movement so much that he considered it not wearable. He tried it in the field and rejected it. Sounds like the gov't made the right choice.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Atheist Icon on 3/4/2009 8:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And last if I was back on the battlefield, I would choose Dragon Skin over anything and everything else that is government issued.


Until the Army told you that your family would not get your death benefits if you died wearing that armor.


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By shin0bi272 on 3/3/2009 3:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Ex! Hows life Brudda?

The thing that sux about dragonskin is that the army tested level3 dragonskin against an ak47 and it went through. The problem is level3 is only rated for pistol rounds (like for police use)... level 4 and 5 are rated for higher speed/higher power rounds but the army is set in its opinion that dragonskin is a poorer quality vest. I saw the episode of Future weapons where they unloaded pistols and an mp5 at one side of a level 5 vest and then turned it around and unloaded 7.62 from an AK and 5.56 from an M4 at what 10 yards? with no penetration of any kind... yeah thats some "inferior armor" it is. LOL


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Steve1981 on 3/3/2009 3:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
I won't claim to be an expert in the field of body armor but Level III is a rifle round defeating spec; IIIA is for 44Mags and 357Sig.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By gamerk2 on 3/4/2009 9:32:13 AM , Rating: 2
Funny how every test on that show goes perfectly every time...


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By FaceMaster on 3/3/2009 6:21:27 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah but can it (give Crysises armour a) run (for its money?) ...Crysis?


RE: Lookup Dragon Skin
By Chocobollz on 3/4/2009 1:03:35 AM , Rating: 1
Dragon Skin? Then if we want to wear it, we have to Enter The Dragon , right? Woooooaaaa! Wohoooo! Aiaiaiaiaia!! xD


Spiral
By dani31 on 3/3/2009 9:00:56 AM , Rating: 2
Now let's wait for another team to develop a bullet that pierces it.




RE: Spiral
By Regs on 3/3/2009 10:02:21 AM , Rating: 2
Since most of our "enimies" are in 3rd world nations getting weapons from Soviet WW2 stockpiles, the better armor works. Not to go too off subject, but new inventions is what USA really needs right now.


RE: Spiral
By nafhan on 3/3/2009 11:19:06 AM , Rating: 2
They have armor piercing bullets already. However, armor piercing bullets generally don't do as well against unarmored targets, and so are not used as often.
My understanding is that armor piercing tend to go right through unarmored flesh leaving a nice neat little hole. Whereas a normal bullet expands and rips apart flesh and in general does a lot more damage to the human body than an armor piercing round would do.


RE: Spiral
By callmeroy on 3/3/2009 12:18:22 PM , Rating: 1
Cost. Armor piercing rounds cost more too than your "average" round does.

As morbid as it may seem, armies do think, basically, "How much does it cost to kill this target?". If you can get the job done spending less -- you then spend less.

I also believe armor piercing rounds have less range as well because of less aerodynamics in the armor piercing round.


RE: Spiral
By hackedtwice on 3/4/2009 4:07:13 AM , Rating: 3
AP rounds don't have significantly different ballistic figures than regular copper ball ammunition when used in an urban setting, ranges are just too close unless your sniping. The shape of the bullet is the same regardless, AP rounds usually have a steel penetrator inside a copper shell, whereas regular ball ammunition is solid copper. Your right about the price point though, and copper ball ammunition is much easier to come by. Also if the AP round doesn't have a copper jacket barrel wear can be an issue, a few hundred rounds of non-jacketed AP and the lands on the barrel are worn down and you have to replace the barrel.


RE: Spiral
By IceBreakerG on 3/3/2009 11:22:39 AM , Rating: 2
Well, a .50 cal round would go through whatever they were wearing. Granted, I don't know how many insurgents have access to .50 cal rifles.


RE: Spiral
By callmeroy on 3/3/2009 12:14:16 PM , Rating: 2
True enough, but why spend the money on the more expensive rounds and hardware when the much cheaper stuff will do.

And your point is a valid one as well -- .50 cal rifles aren't nearly as populous (esp in 3rd world countries) as say AK-47's are.

Military grade .50 cal sniping rifles cost several thousand dollars. I saw one listed for $20,000 actually but I wasn't sure if the website was serious or if it was a joke so I don't want to quote that as fact.


RE: Spiral
By FITCamaro on 3/3/2009 12:19:34 PM , Rating: 2
That price is about right right now. And if money was no object I'd have it sitting on a shelf right now.


RE: Spiral
By rcc on 3/3/2009 2:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
Effecient neighborhood defense.

Do they have a layaway plan???

: )


RE: Spiral
By ekv on 3/3/2009 2:50:30 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, you know that comment about your car the other day ... I really did NOT mean it quite that way...

8)


RE: Spiral
By Hyperion1400 on 3/4/2009 8:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
True, but there is no shortage of 14.5mm and PRTD/PRTSs to fire them. In fact, there have been a few reports released showing that at least a few Abrams' have been knocked out by that round.... The USSR rides again!


RE: Spiral
By Nirach on 3/4/2009 7:58:13 AM , Rating: 2
.50 is easy enough to come by, because of the number of them that cropped up and the design patents were never renewed.

Such as the Steyr HS .50. It's been claimed that this particular model has been recovered from insurgents, so it's a safe bet that there are more floating around - Especially the cheaper copies of the rifle. Considering that the original is not far off $5k US, a cheaper copy would be well within budget, I imagine.

I don't expect we'll see insurgents running around with M107's any time soon, though.


RE: Spiral
By Steve1981 on 3/4/2009 8:20:37 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't be shocked to see them equipped with M2s though.


RE: Spiral
By ArcliteHawaii on 3/9/2009 7:36:27 AM , Rating: 2
Insurgent snipers almost always use the Russian Dragonov sniper rifle, a semiauto sniper rifle chambered for 7.62x54r. While not as powerful as a .50 cal (what small arm is?) it's still an immensely powerful and accurate round with a high ballistic coefficient that retains most of its energy even at 1000 yards. I'm not sure any level III body armor could withstand it at close range.

However, the vast majority of insurgents use AK 47s, and the fact that Dragon Skin can withstand multiple hits from that weapon and still maintain almost 100% efficacy should be taken into consideration, especially in Afghanistan where troops are isolated. The current armor has a plate that shatters, rendering the armor useless until the plate can be replaced.

I'm waiting for the day when a full and open test can be done and a proper choice can be made.


Great news
By pmonti80 on 3/3/2009 8:46:57 AM , Rating: 5
Great news indeed.




RE: Great news
By ApfDaMan on 3/3/2009 9:00:43 AM , Rating: 5
Armor improves, bullets improve, armor improves, bullets improve...


RE: Great news
By FITCamaro on 3/3/2009 10:10:07 AM , Rating: 2
Sadly yes. But terrorists hardly have a research budget to develop new bullets. They're using WW2 stockpiles.

Honestly though, bullets probably kill fewer troops in Iraq and Afghanistan than mortars and road side bombs.


RE: Great news
By Steve1981 on 3/3/2009 10:27:27 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Honestly though, bullets probably kill fewer troops in Iraq and Afghanistan than mortars and road side bombs.


I imagine the body armor provides improved survivability in those cases as well; probably beats being naked in any case.


RE: Great news
By geddarkstorm on 3/3/2009 2:24:44 PM , Rating: 2
There can be a lot of similarity between shrapnel and an armor piercing bullet. Plus, the ability to diffuse shock forces should help against concussive explosions.


RE: Great news
By hackedtwice on 3/4/2009 3:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
Actually in that futureweapons episode they set the dragon skin on top of a grenade and detonated it, after the dust settled they checked and there was no penetration, although the outside of the vest was blown to hell. I'm not saying go jump on a grenade with the stuff though, blunt force trauma would most definitely cause you to bleed to death internally, if your head wasn't blown clear off to begin with. It does seem to provide a good amount of shrapnel protection for the torso though.


RE: Great news
By Hyperion1400 on 3/4/2009 8:28:07 AM , Rating: 2
Not true, most of the ammunition(and weapons) is fairly modern. Yeah, you find the odd L42, But, the most common weapons are still the AK 47, the SVD, occasionally the AK 74 rounding things out. There is also a wealth of quality ammunition out there floating around for these rifles including 7n1's for the SVD(they aren't armor piercing, but the are still good penetrators) and 7n6's (FMJ w/ hardened steel penetrator) for the AK 74. Keep in mind, when the USSR fell, rifles weren't the only things that disappeared.


lol
By SandmanWN on 3/3/2009 10:02:34 AM , Rating: 2
check out the expression on the kids face. priceless.




RE: lol
By FITCamaro on 3/3/2009 10:08:24 AM , Rating: 2
I think he is saying "FOR ALLAH!" and has a detonator in his other hand.

Lord I apologize for that...


RE: lol
By hadifa on 3/3/2009 4:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
You are forgiven, just do not do it again.


RE: lol
By hadifa on 3/3/2009 4:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, couldn't help it ;-)

God, forgive me too. (or just me)


RE: lol
By abscoder on 3/3/2009 11:03:17 AM , Rating: 2
Caption: Dude... are you trying to drop a brick on my porch!?


RE: lol
By ekv on 3/3/2009 4:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
from what I've heard, the kids are ok ... until they get into the 2nd or 3rd year of madrassa (6-8 years old). Then the expression on their faces changes. Not for the better, typically.


RE: lol
By hadifa on 3/3/2009 4:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
Look at the photo and read the caption.

quote:
U.S. Army Staff Sgt. David Aleman watches over soldiers during Operation Marne (Source: Sgt. Ben Brody, U.S. Army)


I didn't know Staff Sgt can be so young! LOL

In case you didn't get it, the caption says, the Staff Sgt is overseeing soldiers and the kid in the photo is overseeing a soldier!


RE: lol
By aegisofrime on 3/4/2009 5:37:39 AM , Rating: 2
I learnt today that in the US Army watching over soldiers = chilling out.


Red Tape....
By Captain Orgazmo on 3/3/2009 11:06:12 AM , Rating: 5
There already is a better body armor available, currently being used by the CIA, Secret Service, special operations soldiers, mercenaries, VIPs (including US Generals and their bodyguards in Afghanistan and Iraq), and some police SWAT teams. However, due to idiotic bureaucracy, and probably some dirty backroom deals, US Army soldiers and Marines are prohibited from even purchasing it themselves and using it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_body_armo...




RE: Red Tape....
By bodar on 3/3/2009 5:39:22 PM , Rating: 3
Always follow the money...


RE: Red Tape....
By ArcliteHawaii on 3/9/2009 7:41:38 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, the maker of the CURRENT army body armor tested dragon skin and declared it a failure. Read further down that wikipedia article. Conflict of interest anyone?


No Technical Info?
By FormulaRedline on 3/3/2009 10:10:18 AM , Rating: 5
This Daily Tech article has no information on how the technology in this actually works :(




RE: No Technical Info?
By meepstone on 3/3/09, Rating: -1
RE: No Technical Info?
By shin0bi272 on 3/3/2009 3:07:08 PM , Rating: 3
and what is your reply? Ohh yeah its the same thing :P


RE: No Technical Info?
By JediJeb on 3/4/2009 3:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
Wouldn't giving the information be something like " Hey I got this great new encryption scheme, and here is how it's coded"

Wouldn't take long for it to be used against you.


oh no!
By Baov on 3/3/2009 10:16:18 AM , Rating: 2
*gasp* the US army is using students as human shield!




RE: oh no!
By shin0bi272 on 3/3/2009 3:07:42 PM , Rating: 5
cause they're lighter than the current body armor.


RE: oh no!
By Expunge on 3/4/2009 9:08:05 AM , Rating: 2
and they cost less..

Sup Shin.. you tracked me down eh?


scale armor?
By Screwballl on 3/3/2009 10:29:20 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if they are working on a scale type armor similar to what fish, snakes and reptiles have... DT seems to have just copied the story without any research looking for extra information or design specs.




RE: scale armor?
By werepossum on 3/3/2009 7:10:11 PM , Rating: 2
Another thing about Dragon Skin is that it is much less restrictive than the Interceptor armor. The idea is that if you can move better, your chances of being hit in the first place go down. The Dragon Skin also covers better, which reduces the chance of a round penetrating your skin.

Soldiers who are spending money to protect their own hides, choose Dragon Skin.


RE: scale armor?
By ArcliteHawaii on 3/9/2009 7:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
That "scale-type" armor has already been around for several years and apparently is superior to what the army is using now. Google Dragon Skin .


What a prodigy!
By Mutenpika on 3/3/2009 11:34:12 AM , Rating: 3
Mr. Aleman only looks like he's about 2 1/2, and he's already a staff sergeant? We've got a military genius on our hands, folks.

I wonder why he's out of uniform?




RE: What a prodigy!
By shin0bi272 on 3/3/2009 3:03:14 PM , Rating: 3
hes in his civies because hes infiltrating the iraqi underground to take down al queida from within ;)


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