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Nintendo DS sells a staggering 1.53 million units during November

Thanks to Black Friday and the holiday buying season, the video games industry experienced blistering sales during November.

Nintendo walked away as the big dog, selling a record number of hardware units. The Nintendo DS handheld sold an astonishing 1.53 million units – 653,000 of them during Black Friday week. The Wii likely sold out its entire supply at 981,000 consoles, with nearly a third of them during the long weekend.

The Xbox 360 also performed admirably selling 770,000 units. Microsoft said that 310,000 units were sold during Black Friday week.

Although Sony remained at the bottom half of the NPD Group sales list, it also had a very strong month. 567,000 PSPs and 496,000 PlayStation 2 consoles were sold, proving the staying power of Sony’s older hardware. The PlayStation 3, while in last place of the current market systems, shot up in demand to hit a new high with 466,000 units sold.

Unlike Nintendo and Microsoft, Sony refused to release Black Friday numbers, instead choosing to reveal its retail successes in percentages. Sony said that PlayStation 3 sales were up 298 percent compared to the previous period, partially attributing the rise in sales to price cuts and the introduction of the $399 40GB entry-level model.

The NPD sales data does little to settle the battle between Microsoft and Sony regarding their comparative sales. Microsoft claimed that its Xbox 360 outsold the PlayStation 3 by a two-to-one ratio during the Thanksgiving week, while Sony refuted the claim.

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Refute the claim with numbers
By phattyboombatty on 12/14/2007 9:30:23 AM , Rating: 5
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Microsoft claimed that its Xbox 360 outsold the PlayStation 3 by a two-to-one ratio during the Thanksgiving week, while Sony refuted the claim.


Why doesn't Sony refute the claim by releasing the exact number of PS3's sold during the Thanksgiving week. That's the quickest, easiest, and most believable way to disprove Microsoft's claim. If you say "that's not true" without providing any back-up data, and all of your competitors didn't hesitate to provide their numbers, you look like a big fat liar with something to hide.




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By Chaser on 12/14/07, Rating: 0
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By Chaser on 12/14/2007 10:23:04 AM , Rating: 1
I could care less of a "comeback". This is no race. There doesn't have to be a "winner".

Worldwide sales are over 6 million. Its not "beating" the 360, which I'm sure helps you sleep better at night, but it's doing well.

quote:
Methinks the world audience is bigger than japan.

Maybe you should try and stop thinking then genius.


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By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 7:24:24 PM , Rating: 2
1.4 million worldwide for 360 ? LOL
Good one..


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 8:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
Was just looking at gams that have sold a million or more
on VGChartz.com ..

Xbox 360 has 29 games that have sold over a million,, 7 of which sold 2 million or more.

PS3 has 2 games that have sold over a million.. neither has sold over 2 million, but Resistance Fall of Man cmae close. (So much for Rachet and Clank)

Wii has had 14 games sell over a million...

Cumulative Worldwide Sales of Consoles since their release.

Wii: 16.28 million
XB360: 14.55 million
PS3: 7.19 million

In 2007 Xbox 360 outsold PS3 In THE USA ( where is was most popular ) 4 million to 2 million. Wordwide the 360 still outsold the PS3 by 670,000 in 2007.. they ( PS3) can break even in total sales with 360 by Jan 2010 if starting Jan 2008 PS3 outsells 360 by 200,000 units each and every month !! They have their work cut out for them.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/15/2007 9:12:25 PM , Rating: 2
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360 still outsold the PS3 by 670,000 in 2007


You included the last week of Dec 2006 in that figure. The actual number is 637k (6,598,482 vs 5,961,932).
http://vgchartz.com/hwtable.php?cons%5B%5D=PS3&con...

That's only 11%. And the PS3 was far more expensive with far fewer games and competing against Microsoft's best games ever. That's a dead giveaway that the PS3 is going to outsell it.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 9:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
No.. its not a dead giveaway.. its your opinion.. people who buy PS3 arent for gaming..

PS3 had TWO games that sold over a million in a year .. thats all.. gamers arent buying it..

Xbox 360 has had 29 games selling over a million in two years..

The PS3 is in last place until its out sells the Xbox almost 200K units EACH AND EVERY month for the next 24 months ( it'll be 2010 ) before it even breaks even..

It's nowhere near that.. sales for 360 have also increased compared to its 1st year.. and 360 will drop price again sooner then PS3.. watch and see..


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/15/2007 10:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
Well of course the Xbox 360 has more 1m+ games, it was launched in 2005. Most of those games have been on the market for more than a year. You're comparing apples and oranges. How many 1m+ games did the 360 have in it's first year? Besides Gears and possibly Oblivion, I can't think of any others.

I get the impression that you're one of the people who have been bashing Sony for so long that you can't bear the thought that you may have been wrong all along. I've liked the PS3 from day one. It's a good system now, but by 2009 it's going to be a monster of a product (and unlike the Wii it won't be selling to mostly casual gamers but mainstream).


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/16/2007 11:33:53 AM , Rating: 2
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Well of course the Xbox 360 has more 1m+ games, it was launched in 2005.


Nice try by attempting to make it seem longer then what I said - 2yrs compared to 1 yrs..

360 was released Sept 30th 2005 - thats 2yrs and 2 months ago.

PS3 was released November 11, 2006, in Japan, November 17, 2006 in North America and Asia - Guess what? Thats yes 1year and almost one month ago..

So.. according to your sources PS3 has 2 games that have sold 1 million or more compared to 29 for Xbox 360.

If PS3 was such a gamers machine it would have at least 1/2 of Xbox's would it not ? So PS3 being out half the time would have about 14 million+ games - and yet it doesn't.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/16/2007 1:06:18 PM , Rating: 2
What? Did the Xbox 360 have 14 1m+ games its first year?

Of course not.

Most of those 1m+ games on the 360's list didn't pass a million until after being on the market for over a year. Many PS3 games out now will pass a million by next year. You can't make a valid comparison between 1m+ games until the PS3 has been on the market for 2 years. Or you could compare the Xbox 360's 1st year of 1m+ games to the PS3's 1st year. Like I said, besides Gears and maybe Oblivion there weren't many. And I think Gears actually cam


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/15/2007 11:07:31 PM , Rating: 2
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gamers arent buying it..


You're wrong.

Compare the US game sales for Nov. to total US consoles sold ratios:
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50384

Total US console sales:
360: 9.43m
PS3: 2.91m

Assassin's Creed sales:
360: 980k = 10% of 360 owners
PS3: 377k = 13% of PS3 owners

CoD4 US sales:
360: 1.57m = 17% of 360 owners
PS3: 444k = 15% of PS3 owners

So the "PS3 being sold as a Blu-ray player" is yet another weak argument against the PS3 that is easily shot down.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/16/2007 11:15:26 AM , Rating: 2
The point I was making is the PS3 isn't the gamers choice.
Face it, Sony's dominance is over.

Xbox 360 - doing way better then Xbox - gaining market share- gaining developer support. Paving the way for the next console.

PS3 - Not dominating - lost alot market share, lost developer support.

So even thought the PS3 isn't selling alot less then the 360 its a failure compared to the PS2. The 360 is just the opposite. Its doing way better then its previous generation as far as console sales.

360 also has more games which are continuously in the top 10 sales.

360 - Has the highest attach rate of games sold per console

PS3 - Has the LOWEST attach rate of games sold per console compared to Wii and 360 and PS2


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/16/2007 1:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
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Face it, Sony's dominance is over.


Sony's dominance is still going.

The PS2 is still the most played system and continues to sell well. The vast majority of console owners won't start switching over to the next gen systems until 2009. That's when the PS3's price will be mainstream.

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360 - Has the highest attach rate of games sold per console


Attachment rates mean nothing. The original Xbox may have had a higher attachment rate than the PS2 but it didn't matter because there were far more PS2s sold. The fact that the 360 has only sold about 14m in two years starting at $299 means it has no chance of achieving PS2 type success. That's what developers want. Since the Wii isn't built for the long term, the PS3 is the only system that has a chance to replace the PS2. So far, sales indicate it has that momentum.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/16/2007 3:04:29 PM , Rating: 2
Sony's dominance is over.
PS2 profits do not offset the losses of PS3.
The division is still losing alot.

Another of your arguments was horrible: That PS3 has only been out a year so thats why only two games that sold over a million. Better do some reading. Most of 360's games didn't need more then a few months to sell over a million.
Even Assasins credd which has been out only 2 months has sold over a million.

Lastly, but not least importantly.
PROOF THAT THEY ARE NOT DOMINATING because in the end its all about money they bring in - not console sales alone!

Market Value of Companies by Dec 2007:

Microsoft 330.02 Billion (USD) (Sony you can't touch this!)
Nintendo 82.0 Billion (USD)
Sony 55.3 Billion (USD)

Considering Sony sells a ton of electronic devices this is proof how puny they are compared to even Nintendo.

sources:
http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/comp...

http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/comp...

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/06/25/nintendo-...


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/16/2007 4:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
Here's what Microsoft's money did for it last gen:

Xbox: 24m
PS2: 120m

Microsoft's OS monopoly makes them unmotivated and lazy in the console industry. They have the least to gain and lose. That's why the Wii passed the 360 in one year and that's why the PS3 will pass it eventually.

But if you're so convinced the PS3 is doomed, how many PS3s do you think will sell at $399? How many at $299?

The Xbox 360's price is already low. Price drops aren't going to help it the same way they'll help the PS3.


By ViperROhb34 on 12/16/2007 6:55:24 PM , Rating: 2
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The Xbox 360's price is already low. Price drops aren't going to help it the same way they'll help the PS3.


You can beleive that crap if you want, but PS2 came out at 299 and is now 120 bucks. 360 will continue to lower - they lowered once due to the CPU die shrink which lowered cost. In the coming months there will be die shrink of the GPU which will further lower cost. I expect the 249.00 version to be 199.00 in about a year which will convert many of the gamers who continue to buy the 120 dollar PS2 because many people out there simply can't afford a 250 dollar 360 or PS3 ..

Microsoft not only produces software.
They have many electronic devices.
They even have ownership in the company that Sony just "made-up" with so they could bring 'shock' vibration back to their PS3.

Bottomline is companies exist only to make money and Sony is a distant 3rd from M$. Reality is Sony is falling further and further behind Nintendo as well. Nintendo is once again becoming the darling of Japan as it was before Sony Play Station. At the time PS worked so well because the industry wanted CD games which devs could benefit because at the time Nintendo's cartridge which sold for the same price as a Cd game had a low profit margin. The electronics in the cartridge cost 25 dollars, so there was only 40 dollars left to split between devs and Nintendo where as the Sony Cd cost a dollar and the rest was profit.
The PS2 caqme out at the right time after DVD had already been made an industry standard and there was no competition.
So even though PS2 was hard to program for.. game developers sucked it up. The time around many of them don't feel they have to do this. All consoles are looked at as money makers and both Wii and 360 are easier to program for. Like it or not all your reasoning doesnt will Sony to be worth more then they are to investors or they wouldnt be falling behind Nintendo who more or less only make gaming devices. Microsoft has other areas, but so does Sony. There is no excuse for Sony to be worth less then Nintendo considering they sell DVD players, TV's, Computers, Hi Fidelity Music devices and more. If it weren't for all the areas Sony is doing well in the PS3 losses would really be killing them. You can preach all you want, but Blu Ray could fail in the USA just as Beta Max even though Beta Max did well outside the USA and continued to sell in Japan for another 20yrs even after VHS had become the standard here. I loved PS2, but I don't like the way Sony handled all the P.R. and I beleive in supporting American companies and keeping jobs in the country I live in. If you ship all the jobs over seas.. eventually they'll be none here. At least Microsoft has kept 90% of their jobs in this country.


By ViperROhb34 on 12/16/2007 7:01:04 PM , Rating: 2
By the way on those Stats you posted.

PS2 : 120 million consoles

It was released in late 1999 .. since it was only like 299 and qucikly dropped to 249 and then 199 .. It has been out for EIGHT years - you'd expect it to sell this many ? I think so. I mean most people, including myself bought more then one. My 1st one died in 2 yrs.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By rykerabel on 12/19/2007 6:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
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PS3 - Has the LOWEST attach rate of games sold per console compared to Wii and 360 and PS2


not accurate since many of the current "ps2 games" sold now are purchased to be played on the PS3s.

Our PS3 is truely the center of our home entertainment as Sony envisioned.

It plays video, music, slideshows from our media server (free windows/linux/mac/bsd software).
It plays all of the ps1 and ps2 games that i have and even upscales them too.
All of the new PS2 games i've purchased have played on it flawlessly.
The PS3 games are stunningly beautiful.
I can plug my flash cards right into the ps3.
Bluetooth earphones and keyboard are awesome.
PSP interoperation is golden.
PS3 Eye > wiimote

ok ok ok, i'm a fanboy, but only because my own actual personal experience with the ps3 has made me that way.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:14:29 AM , Rating: 2
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Probably because the numbers were lower compared to North America 360 sales. Thats really nothing new. But at this point I don't think Sony really cares
Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Not only does Sony care, they are probably very disappointed with the numbers. Have you seen the amount of advertising they have done these 2 months? Watch the cartoon network for a few hours and you'll see at least 5 ps3 commercials. They invested big time in this holiday season and its not really paying off.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Chaser on 12/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 12/14/2007 10:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
The numbers look significantly higher than the ones seen over at http://nexgenwars.com/ which are more accurate?


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 11:19:15 AM , Rating: 3
I think i trust these numbers more since everything i've read says the 360 is outpacing the ps3.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By weskurtz0081 on 12/14/2007 12:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
Wow chaser, using VGA chars as a "reliable" source of information? VGA charts is frowned upon in many places, and most people posting number from that site are laughed out of the forum.

You might want to try and find a place that doesn't just estimate.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Chaser on 12/14/2007 1:27:23 PM , Rating: 5
You guys are a class act. What is with this board and desire for the PS3 to fail? What do you guys care if the PS3 does well? Is your life that shallow and routine that having a "360 win" is so vitally important to you all?

And you Kenobi, why do you join in this circus? So the numbers are lower. Fine. Had I posted no source you guys would have been all over me even faster.

People take a breath. Go for a walk in the park. Examine your life. Move on. I realize that a successful PS3 is the bane of life to many of you. And I don't care if the 360 "wins". But certainly there is nothing wrong if the PS3 is successful is there??

And lastly Kenobi, if you can't resist your pursuit in life to find every shread of evidence against the PS3, you might want to speak to to the original contributor?

Lets try this again. ALL the consoles did well over the holiday sales season. Exactly what's wrong with that?


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Alexstarfire on 12/14/2007 5:14:59 PM , Rating: 1
I think the majority of people want the PS3 to fail simply because we hate Sony. I don't believe anyone likes Microsoft either, but they certainly hate them less than Sony. I just believe that the PS3 should fail simply because it's much more than a gaming console, and as such is priced to high. How many of us have camera phones and the like that have multiple functions? I'm sure at least everyone in here has a device other than a computer that has multiple functions. Now how many of you actually use the camera on your phone more than just once in a blue moon? I'd imagine that most of you don't, though I could be wrong. I happen to use mine a lot since I don't have a digital camera, but my phone also has the internet and music. Both of which are rarely used. My point is that many of us may have devices that have multiple functions, but we primarily use the device for 1, maybe 2 things, and that's it. I don't see why I should pay for stuff that I'm never going to use. I'd even argue that I'd never use Blu-ray, cept for the games obviously, because I'm simply not going to be getting an HDTV for several years, likely after the next-gen consoles come out. I mean, the game could be put on DVDs, and a DVD drive is at least $150 cheaper than a DVD drive ATM. Don't forget that the games are $10 expensive because of this. That adds up pretty fast. Over 10 games that's a little over $100 more that you spend, cause of tax, on top of the premium for the Blu-ray drive. Even if the games still cost $60 if they had a DVD drive, that's still about $150 or so you should save just because the DVD drive is cheaper.

Also, don't forget that anything that doesn't come directly from Sony is just an estimate. And even what Sony gives us is still an estimate, just a much better estimate than the other sources. I believe Sony, and the other companies for that matter, only tell us what they've sold to stores, not what the stores have sold to consumers. I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever know.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ATC on 12/14/2007 9:16:44 PM , Rating: 2
Calling people, who hate one console, shortsighted is an understatement. What a lot of people here fail to realise is that should MSFT dominate the console race by eliminating Sony and/or Nintendo they will have little motivation to keep pushing the boundaries on the tech as well as customer service fronts.

We seem to have forgotten already that the 360 had a 90 day warranty until Sony and Nintendo released their systems with a 1 year warranty as standard. And then MSFT out of the goodness of their hearts, god bless them, increased it to 1 year. And only after total and broad consumer frustration and outrage did they admit to a hardware design flaw and increased the warranty to 3 years.

MSFT has been a reactionary company on many fronts. I can only imagine the nightmare if MSFT was the lone console maker without any competition.

Personally I do not want Sony to fail and at the same time I don't want MSFT to fail either. I want them at each others' throats pushing the envelope in technology, value and customer service. Wanting one to fail is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. And I'm sure I'm going to be labelled a Sony fan-boy here for saying this but I don't care and I have both a 360 and PS3.


By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 8:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yes alot was in the USA, but not most.

Acccording to your sources at VGchartz 360 still outsold PS3 by 670,000 units wordwide for 2007 alone.

Not too shabby when you look at the fact 360 is FAR outselling the original Xbox, Gaining developer support and preparing a even better stage for Microsofts next console in 3yrs. Even with the losses of 360 ..Microsoft is in the top 10 most profitable companies so they dont need the cash!

PS3 - yes doing ok, but way down compared to PS2. PS3 was expected to dominate as PS3 did. This time Wii is. PS3 has hurt the company as Sony is NOT even in the top 50 most profitable companies- Im not sure it ever was though. PS3 has also lost developer support and some exclusive titles. a far cry from the mighty PS2.

I dont think so many gamers are buying the PS3 as people gambling on Bluray. Proof ? Go look at your site. PS3 has 2 games that have sold over a mllion, 360 has 29 titles that have..


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/14/2007 10:32:43 AM , Rating: 2
The Xbox 360 sold 511k starting at $299 last November.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/08/...

Sony selling 466k at $399 is good. But next year when it drops to $299 the PS3 is going take off just like the PSP has.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:36:36 AM , Rating: 2
Show me the numbers on people purchasing the $299 360 more than the $399 one. You can't base your argument on that if there are no numbers to back it up. I guarantee you many more $399 ones were sold.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/14/2007 10:43:04 AM , Rating: 2
It's estimated that a quarter of 360 sales are $299 versions. But obviously MS wouldn't be selling it if it wasn't selling in significant numbers. And I guarantee you that if the PS3 had a $299 model it would have easily sold more than 511k.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By BansheeX on 12/14/2007 2:10:03 PM , Rating: 1
When people look at the numbers above, a lot of them are forgetting the price at which Sony sold all those units, and the fact that we are still MGS and FF-less. Looks like Playstation's end will have to wait till next generation, eh?


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Alexstarfire on 12/14/2007 5:17:53 PM , Rating: 2
And when did the PSP take off, because from what I can see it's still being outsold more than 2:1 by the DS. That's not really taking off in my opinion. Granted it does sell more than the PS2 and PS3, ATM at least.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/14/2007 7:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
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And when did the PSP take off


After the price dropped to $169 and the new slim PSP was introduced.

The PSP at $169 is selling faster than the DS did at $149. The DS didn't start selling well until it dropped to $129. DS sales doubled after that. If the PSP is selling well now, it's going to do great when it drops below $150. Especially when you consider the fact that Sony had the forethought to add a memory stick slot for downloaded content. It shows how good Sony is when it comes to long term planning. I'm willing to bet you thought the memory slot was just an unnecessary feature that Sony was "forcing" people to pay for.


By encryptkeeper on 12/15/2007 1:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
Sony has been advertising the PS3 on the Cartoon Network? I certainly hope they paid for time during Adult Swim, otherwise it would be about as useful as advertising deer hunting equipment on the animal channel.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 9:52:32 AM , Rating: 3
Well, these numbers do technically refute Microsofts claim... But really, it's so close that I think Microsoft's claim is basically accurate... The 360 about doubled the PS3's sales.

As for other posters saying Sony doesn't care, well they do... That's why they had a hissy fit about the numbers, and NPD's published numbers prove just how silly they were being... Sony would have been better off sticking to something along the lines of "well we've trippled sales and are looking forward to larger gains in the future". But instead they had a hissy fit because technically the numbers are some where in the neghborhood of 1.9:1 rather than exactly 2:1.


By phattyboombatty on 12/14/2007 10:02:59 AM , Rating: 2
How does the total sales numbers for November show whether or not Xbox360 outsold PS3 2:1 during the week of Thanksgiving ? Somebody else in another post confused this same point. Microsoft never said that 360 outsold PS3 2:1 for the entire month. The comment that Sony "refuted" was strictly confined to a particular week. Sony won't release the actual sales numbers for that week.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 10:41:57 AM , Rating: 2
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The Xbox 360 also performed admirably selling 770,000 units. Microsoft said that 310,000 units were sold during Black Friday week.

Sony remained at the bottom half of the NPD Group sales list, it also had a very strong month....496,000 PlayStation 2 consoles sold..The PlayStation 3, while in last place of the current market systems with 466,000 units sold.


I own all of the consoles, but my fav because of games is the Xbox 360. Afrer reading the post that PS3 (could) overtake the 360 .. they are way off so far.

If you begin from the month PS3 was released a year ago .. Xbox 360 has outsold them anywhere from 200K to 600k Units a month worldwide.. for the sake of simplicity even if you use the 200K figure that means over the last year 360 has outsold PS3 by 2 million units over the last year PS3 has been out ! Now take into account 360 has been out a year longer and sold around 3 million its 1st year.. well theres 5 million units.

In order for Ps3 to overtake 360 in BREAK EVEN ( this isn't overaking - just being even) in OVERALL sales of consoles sold worldwide by 2009 ( a year from now ).. they'd have to sell 416,000 units MORE - FOR Each AND EVERY Month for the next 12 months.


RE: Refute the claim with numbers
By reader1 on 12/15/2007 1:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
I don't really care when the PS3 passes the Xbox 360. 2009 is just a guess, but it's obvious it's going to happen.

You and many people on these tech sites, don't seem to understand how demand is calculated and sales are projected. They are calculated using both sales rate AND price:

PS3 sales, 1st year at $499/$599: ~6m
Xbox 360 sales, 1st year at $299/$399: ~6m
Xbox 360 sales, 2nd year at $279/$479: ~7.5

If the PS3 had only sold 6m in one year at $299 THAT would have been a failure. The fact is, it managed to sell about as many as the Xbox 360 did in its first year while having a much higher price. That means the PS3's demand is far higher than the 360's. It also means the PS3 will grow far faster than the 360 did and eventually surpass it. This stuff isn't obvious to tech types and gamers but to people like Peter Moore and Howard Stringer, who understand business, this was obvious months ago. Peter Moore bailed out before it became obvious to everyone.


By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 7:06:37 PM , Rating: 2
Really what you're saying is an opinion and nothing more.

Compared to the PS2 the PS3 is a failure in many aspects.
The PS2 was a profitable unit from the start for Sony and the Playstation division actually became one of Sony's strongest money making divisions. PS2 also outsold its competing consoles by about a 5 to 1 margin.

Even if PS3 would become profitable today ( which is hasn't ) it would take another 4 or 5 yrs for them to break even.. PS3 has caused Sony to lose market share, lose revenue the PS2 has previously brought, and also lose game developers exclusivity.

Now to Xbox 360.. its division still isn't profitable.. but it doesnt need to be.. Microsoft is in the top 10 most profitable companies in the WORLD. Sony isn't even in the top 50. Xbox 360 has been a success in the sense, it has a much larger market share then Xbox, It has taken market share from PS3, and has even taken some of Sony's exclusive game developers and made them their own.

From sales point of view I expect both consoles to lose money, but one company needs the revenue and the other is just stealing market share for their next console. PS3 could be close to OVERALL Xbox 360 sales ina few yrs.. but its apparent Xbox 360 sales are much much stronger then the USA then PS3 sales are to Xbox 360 in Japan.


Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By DirthNader on 12/14/2007 9:59:38 AM , Rating: 2
Considering all of the talk of the PS3 needing nothing but solid titles in its library to take off, it's scary that Rachet & Clank and Uncharted have both bombed (sales-wise). Uncharted was outsold by Umbrella Chronicles, a spinoff from a hardcore series released on a "casual" console. Ouch.




By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
Its even scarrier when you consider how much advertising has been done for these 2 "killer aps".


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By Chaser on 12/14/2007 1:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
Bombs were they? Sorry not to trust your indisputable console marketing knowledge do you have a source to substantiate your opinion that two games for the PS3 that are no more than 3 months old or less have bombed by the middle of December?


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By DirthNader on 12/14/2007 2:27:37 PM , Rating: 3
The source is NPD. November's numbers:

Uncharted (PS3) - 117K
Rachet & Clank (PS3) - 66K
Resident Evil: UC (Wii) - 130k

Uncharted is a highly funded first party release; these are typically front loaded, so 117K is more than likely the best it'll do on a monthly basis (at least until it hits the bargain bin). Rachet & Clank is a similar title, and it's sales dropped from 75K the previous month (release). Throw in the fact that holiday sales industry-wide are up, and yes, it's safe to call them commercial failures.

There's been plenty of spin on forums trying to make PS3 numbers look better than they are. Things like noting that as a percentage of installed base, Assassin's Creed and COD4 did just as well on the PS3 as they did on the 360. No such spin, justified or not, can excuse R&C and Uncharted. A shame, really.


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By BansheeX on 12/14/2007 4:58:27 PM , Rating: 2
You're forgetting two things. One, Ratchet and Uncharted are both three times as expensive as RE4 right now on the shelf. Two, RE4's only competition is a bunch of shovelware.

And from an actual gamer's standpoint, what are you trying to say exactly? Let's get more last-gen ports?


By DirthNader on 12/14/2007 5:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'm forgetting nothing.

You're not paying attention. Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles is not RE4. It's also $50. It's also intended to be used with a $20 peripheral.

Shovelware? We're still using the "Wii has no games" bit? I'm not going to get into list wars, but c'mon, what's next in the responses? "The Wii is a fad", maybe?

What am I trying to say exactly? Again, if you were paying attention you'd see. I think I described the Uncharted and Rachet & Clank bombs as "scary" and a "shame".


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By Mach Omega on 12/14/2007 5:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
Initial sales numbers do not change the fact that R&C and Uncharted are AWESOME titles that will find their audience. Both are highly rated and visually impressive... I have Uncharted and the game is one of the best I've played. I think that people are so used to hearing that the PS3 has no games that it's become an accepted "fact." I think that is the reason Sony is marketing so hard... to get people to realize that the system finally has games.

MS has done a good job of timing its exclusives for release just when the PS3 started to get its legs. The PS3 is a superior console but the 360 has a better game library and the Live service is well designed. However, the PS3 is slowly strangling HD-DVD... once that war is won then Sony will make a decent amount of money from Blu-ray licensing. MS can't counter with a built in HD-DVD player in the 360 because then people will realize that the 360 is indeed actually MORE expensive than the PS3 though nowhere near as well designed. Once developers start to take advantage of the BR drive, the PS3 will have even more value. Bottom line is that the PS3 has legs. If it's still in third in a couple of years, then Sony should be worried. Until then, Sony needs to just keep plugging along. The free Internet play, BR drive, superior design and better value of the system should make it a factor in the long term.


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By DirthNader on 12/14/2007 6:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'd agree that R&C and Uncharted are great games. Acknowledging that fact doesn't change the original point I was making - titles that were supposed to move PS3s off of shelves can't even get traction among current PS3 owners.

With all of that said, as long as they're commercial flops I worry we're going to see a continued shift away from traditional action / adventure games and towards more sandbox and FPS titles.

Even limited to PS3 sales, Assassin's Creed murdered (no pun intended) the sales of both, and it's been subject to mediocre reviews and isn't a PS3 exclusive. Same with COD4 (sans the mediocre review part).


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By Mach Omega on 12/15/2007 2:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
My point is that I think that both games will eventually start moving as they are quality titles. I think people are stuck in the "PS3 has no games" mindset. I think R&C and Uncharted will pick up their audiences soon.


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By Locutus465 on 12/16/2007 2:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure these are great games, but honeslty I think the PS folk should forget about these games ever being "console movers"... They've missed their window, that's that... At this point the best they can ever be is a game that people pick up with the PS3.

As far as price... There still needs to be a model below $400, that's pretty much that... I don't care how much value you throw at the system, $400 is a lot to cough up all at once... With x-box $280 gets you in the door playing games, then you can add what you want/need later. While I still wouldn't consider this price ideal, it's a far cry better.


By Mach Omega on 12/16/2007 10:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
Whether they move consoles or not, their sales will pick up simply because THEY ARE GREAT TITLES. People that are looking for great games for the PS3 simply can't ignore these titles forever.

As for price, I think it's a lot smarter to get a COMPLETE system for one price... a 360 with capabilities comparable to my PS3 is MORE EXPENSIVE. It was a better value for me to purchase a PS3 plus I got HD video to boot. Plus there wasn't a 360 SKU with HDMI when I bought my PS3. When there weren't any games, I bought HD movies... now that good games are available, I get the best of all possible worlds.


RE: Software Sales and PS3 "System Sellers"
By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 6:59:00 PM , Rating: 3
Usually I'm all for the price argument... But I think it's been effectivly proven that if a game is good enough, gamers are willing to pay a pretty penny for it... Consider Halo 3 Legendary and Limited editions (let alone standard).


By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 6:59:39 PM , Rating: 2
opps, meant that to go to banshee... sorry


Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 9:44:19 AM , Rating: 2
But it was damn close to it! Looks like the PS3 will need at least one more price cut... Thought I have to wonder whether it really has a shot at any thing but third at this stage in the console war... As far as I can tell it's in the same position the original x-box was in last gen... Slightly better/more modern hardware, but late to the show. Late enough that 360 is already the development platform of choice for "serious games" (anyone else find the phrase "serious games" ironic?), and it's going to take a lot to change that.




RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Chaser on 12/14/2007 10:17:40 AM , Rating: 2
True. All those "unserious" games on the PS3 just won't do.

Mind explaining your brilliant comment? Have you even bothered to look at the game lineup of PS3 recently? I'd say there's a few "serious" games available now.

quote:
...and it's going to take a lot to change that.


What needs to be changed exactly? The PS3 has several reputable developers/publishers now. Insomnia, Midway, EA, Rockstar, Square Enix, Konami, Infinity Ward and more to come.


By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:22:25 AM , Rating: 3
I'll tell you exactly what needs to change. Sony needs to convince developers that its worthwhile developing exclusive games for the ps3. After its first year, in my opinion, it has done the exact opposite. The only necessary incentive for exclusive titles is installed base, and the 360 has increased its lead since the ps3 came out.


By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 11:13:37 AM , Rating: 2
How can any game be "serious" regardless of platform (Wii being the dominating platform which is consitantly disregarded as not being a serious gaming platform)... I'm sorry, but is any video game going to save the world? Perhaps 360/PS3 fan bois think the plot of The last star fighter will come to fruition one of these days?

How can any video game be considered "serious", it's entertainment...


RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 11:21:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What needs to be changed exactly? The PS3 has several reputable developers/publishers now. Insomnia, Midway, EA, Rockstar, Square Enix, Konami, Infinity Ward and more to come.


Look at the numbers, sales need to change for starters... But even that might not be enough, developers are already comfertable developing for the X-Box first... Sony might need to wait till next gen for a come back, but I think this generation is going to be a big miss for them.

Seriously guy, you act like I'm personally attacking you... Sony made mistakes with the PS3 as far as timing the release and pricing... Doesn't make it a bad console, I've thought about buying one my self (except I already have huge CE related bills to pay off as far as the HDM format war goes), the the facts are the facts... Nintendo Wins, Microsoft is the likely second place and Sony is going to have to settle for thrid this time around... I'm sure Sony is not dumb enough to repeat the PS3 mistakes next gen.


RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Chaser on 12/14/2007 1:18:24 PM , Rating: 2
Listen guy. Its wishful thinking that is actually stupidity that annoys me.

360, out for 1 more year than the PS3. 14+ million sales
PS3, our for one year less 7+ million.

So from these "facts" why your informed conclusion that the PS3 is "in trouble", "failing", "losing", or has to wait for the "next gen" exactly?

Can't wait to hear this guy. :)


RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 1:35:59 PM , Rating: 2
I love this defense... The PS3 is supposed to be the end all be all of consoles, yet at best it can only keep pace with the 360 launch figures... Bear in mind the relitive amounts of buzz the PS3 launch has v. "yet another x-box launch" the 360 received over a year ago, and again to the "yawn nintendo still exits?" lauch the Wii received...

Again, I'm not trying to attack you, or even say the PS3 is crap hardware... I will say the PS3 was a gigantic marketing blunder! It would seem Sony agree's since they got rid of the father of the PS3 (ever hear the phrase failing upwards?). If the PS3 had the marketing power PS3 fan boys claim it does then it should be in the position nintendo is enjoying... But sadly for Sony, they don't... They're fighting tooth and nail not to be left in the dust, and failing at it.

If you enjoy your PS3 that's fine, the fact that it was the marketing blunder of the decade shouldn't detract from the enjoyment you get out of it, and doesn't negate the positives of the hardware. It just means Sony shot them selves in the foot this generation can can not realisticly expect to come out on top of the console wars, or IMO even in second place.


RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By Chaser on 12/14/2007 1:46:58 PM , Rating: 2
So don't buy one and vote with your wallet. But beyond that no one cares about your enlightened marketing assessment of a console or market you have no clue about.

And to suggest that the 360 U.S. marketing blitz was "just another Xbox" supports my conclusion easily.

Cheers


By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 1:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
No it doesn't, and who said anything about voting? It's not like they're vieing to become the next console standard similar to HD DVD v. Blu Ray... The victor does win extra attention from developers, but the past 2 generations have proved there's more than enough room in the world wide console market for all 3 brands (probably not a fourth though).


By ani4ani on 12/14/2007 2:25:08 PM , Rating: 2
Remember, the PS3 has NOT been out for a year in all the same territories, i.e. in Europe, to this point barely 7 months, i.e. it has equalled the 360's first years sales, without being in the market exclusively for a year, without being available in one of the largest markets for nearly 6 months of that year, and at a price about 40% higher. The PS3 is doing fine.


RE: Ok... MS Sales advantage wasn't 2:1....
By reader1 on 12/14/07, Rating: 0
By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:52:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 because it has the broadest appeal of all the new systems
Your opinion, which differs from mine, except mine is based on facts.
quote:
It has games for kids to adults, casual to hardcore, Japanese and Western. The Xbox 360 is too focused on "serious" hardcore, Western games
Saying the 360 doesn't have games for all audiences is just stupid, since most of the kid games are made for every console. On the 360 focusing on the "serious" hardcore westerners, thats called catering to your audience. Lastly, you forgot about 2010, its going to be ginormous for ps3 because by then the cell chip will have evolved into skynet and we'll be at war with all ps3s.


By Locutus465 on 12/14/2007 11:16:00 AM , Rating: 2
Is that why the Wii is dominating? And apparently you've thrown out the 360's entire kid oriented library? And the fact that between the two systems Microsoft is the one making real efforts to market their system as family friendly and introducing new game/movie content to go along with the marketing?

What you say is true of the PS2, I'm not so sure about the PS3... The PS3 seems to be more in the position the original x-box was in...


By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 10:53:16 AM , Rating: 2
I own all of the consoles, but my fav because of games is the Xbox 360. Afrer reading the post that PS3 (could) overtake the 360 .. they are way off so far.

If you begin from the month PS3 was released a year ago .. Xbox 360 has outsold them anywhere from 200K to 600k Units a month worldwide.. for the sake of simplicity even if you use the 200K figure that means over the last year 360 has outsold PS3 by at least 2 million units over the last year PS3 has been out! Now take into account 360 has been out a year longer and sold around 3 million its 1st year.. well theres 5 million units.

In order for Ps3 to BREAK EVEN to 360 (this isn't overaking - just being even in sales) of consoles sold worldwide by Dec 2009 ( a year from now ).. PS3 would have to sell 416,000 units MORE - EACH AND EVERY Month for the next 12 months..
Right now Xmas sales have boosted there numbers.. expect those numbers to drop alot in the next 3 months.. across the boards as well.. but they wont sell 400K units more the 360 will each month and every for the next 12 months..

My thought is WHEN AND IF ( although I doubt it ) they do get close to being even - It wont matter - a new console will be out.. because it'll be around 2012..


Sales vs Actual Use
By mmntech on 12/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By phattyboombatty on 12/14/2007 9:34:28 AM , Rating: 2
The 6th generation numbers aren't surprising considering the huge numbers of 6th gen machines out there. Even though tons of new 7th gen consoles have been sold, the majority of gamers have probably not upgraded yet. Also, the people with the money to buy the more expensive 7th gen consoles likely have jobs and don't have as much time to actually play the consoles.

The really surprising numbers, as you said, is the low percentage of playing time on the Wii, considering that it has sold the most 7th gen consoles. Makes me think that a lot of people are buying it as a fad purchase without doing much with it once they have it at home.


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By srue on 12/14/2007 9:36:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Most surprising is how little attention gamers are giving to their Wii, considering how it's dominating sales.


I agree, that it interesting. Perhaps since the Wii is marketed to a broad, non-hardcore gamer market, it doesn't see as much usage. Grandma loves her Wii, but doesn't play it 6 hours a day like Johnny plays his PS2.


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By sweetsauce on 12/14/2007 10:09:41 AM , Rating: 2
Actually its pretty obvious why the wii numbers are low. I would guess theres probably 5-10 million wiis sold in the US. PS2 on the other had has 50+ million consoles sold. Also, wii's aren't going to just kids that have time to play. People who play casually have taken a huge chunk of the wii sales, so that drives the play time down.


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By xti on 12/14/2007 10:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
correct, thought we figured this out a long time ago, the population of alcoholics out there is far greater that hard core gamers. attention span is going to be considerably low for the former ;)


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By tedrodai on 12/14/2007 11:12:54 AM , Rating: 2
When I look at these figures, it seems clear that market saturation is the key factor in usage hours. Let me bring up the launch dates for each of the 7th gen systems real quick:

XBox360 - Nov 2005
Wii - Nov 2006
PS3 - Nov 2006

This information in addition to the sales figures seem to justify the %'s in that survey well enough. The Wii and PS3 were released at approximately the same time. The Wii has consistently outsold the PS3 since launch, and it's percentage in that survey is over twice that of the PS3. The XBox 360 has been out a year longer than either of those systems, and it has approximately twice the % of the Wii. Of course, the PS2 has been out much longer and STILL sells well, so it blows everything else out of the water.

This is just my take of course...I won't try to say I'm an analysis expert on this subject. I will say that, as a working man (gaming addict though I am) I love the Wii as a system I can just turn on and play for a little while and put back down. By that same token, I would treat any console in that manner, just because of the types of games usually released for consoles versus the types of games I can play for hours on end. If I feel the need for hours-on-end gaming, the PC generally gives me better options.


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By Vanilla Thunder on 12/14/2007 12:19:04 PM , Rating: 3
Personally, I bought my Wii for casual gaming. When friends or family come over, it gives us all something to do and provides entertainment for everyone. However, when I'm doing any "hardcore" gaming, it's done on my PC. I think there may be a lot of people who fall into this demographic, and it might get overlooked from time to time. Just a thought.

Vanilla


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By Imaginer on 12/14/2007 12:20:49 PM , Rating: 3
And as for myself, and possibly others as well, there are active and constructive hobbies that I do other than sitting down and "grinding" away at some of today's genre of games. And with all the titles people are clamoring as AAA titles, to me those same titles does not seem too appealing anymore.

The wii does offer something different and it in my opinion is never meant to be the "hardcore" sit down and waste a day on end of playing video games. I rather spend a good hour at most for some form of relief and fun than being stuck grinding for the most part.

It is also a reason why I like my DS too. I can play with it for a small period of time and have fun without exhausing myself or feeling like I have grinded away in the game. It is a nice break as games should be. Not a way of life or intended replacement of such.

Sure it does not have the best of displays for such a small screen but as I iterated my opinions on portable video players and the like, I rather not squint for my viewing and playing experience and it also is one of the small afterthoughts as to why I am glad I didn't get the psp. If there is immense detail and good graphics but relatively it is small, then what is the point?

At the very least, I hope this so called "hardcore" image gets broken down and the whole mentality shifts from such. I really really do not want our society to be transformed into something out of the matrix... (pardon my opinions here)


RE: Sales vs Actual Use
By Mach Omega on 12/15/2007 2:45:42 AM , Rating: 2
The PSP has one of the largest screens of ANY handheld device. I'm not certain what point you are attempting to make. Any larger and it would be a UMPC... though that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.


PS2 Sales
By PitViper007 on 12/14/2007 10:15:26 AM , Rating: 3
I still find it interesting that over a year after the PS3 launch, the much older PS2 is still practically neck and neck sales-wise with its replacement. I wonder why that is???




RE: PS2 Sales
By joemoedee on 12/14/2007 10:39:21 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I still find it interesting that over a year after the PS3 launch, the much older PS2 is still practically neck and neck sales-wise with its replacement. I wonder why that is???


Price, Availability, Game Library

Price: The price is low enough that most people won't have to modify their budgets tremendously to get into it, if they haven't already. Also, you have people out there (Like me) that may have a GC and/or Xbox but no PS2, and can't justify $300+ for a gaming console. The GC and Xbox people won't see new releases, but PS2 continues to.

Availability: Can't find a Wii... but can find a PS2, which happens to have a ton of games and also is at half the price.

Library: It's been out for 7 years now, and new games are still coming out. There's many PS2 exclusive games, also.

At first I thought Sony was kinda shooting themselves in the foot by continuing to support the PS2 while the PS3 is available, however, it's turned into a strong profit making machine to help offset the loss on the PS3 until it can become profitable.


RE: PS2 Sales
By amanojaku on 12/14/2007 10:48:38 AM , Rating: 2
Damnit, I posted and can't vote any more. You deserve to be up-rated for that post...


RE: PS2 Sales
By PitViper007 on 12/14/2007 10:49:35 AM , Rating: 2
True. Was a good answer.


RE: PS2 Sales
By amanojaku on 12/14/2007 10:44:36 AM , Rating: 2
Probably due to the fact that the PS2 has decent hardware and tons of great (if old) games, and all this can be had for less than $150. The PS3 is technically a great console, but it's littered with issues that mar it's reputation. No backwards compatibility in recent units, only a few good games, and a sticker price that's plain ridiculous if you aren't interested in playing blue ray discs. The only thing that would make me consider buying a PS3 is Gran Turismo 5 (not the prologue version!) and a price drop to around $250. Meanwhile, I still have my Wii, my PC, and my PS2!!!


Real issue with PS3 numbers
By pomaikai on 12/14/2007 5:35:59 PM , Rating: 2
The real problem I see with PS3 numbers has to do with market share. They owned all other consoles last generation and had the dedicated fan base to own this generation, but they screwed it up. They lost alot of people to Xbox360. It was over priced for the games they offered. People would have caughed up $5-600 if the games were worth it, but they couldnt even match 360 quality. If it wasnt for Blu ray they would have even sold less. My father-in-law is thinking about purchasing a PS3 just because it is a cheap Blu Ray player with the added bonus of games and streaming video. Whether 360 outsells PS3 or not doesnt matter, the fact that it successfully knocked it out of "THE CONSOLE TO OWN" status is what makes it successful.

Wii is a different story and has different audience. They have left the console war and focused on a different audience. My 3 year old picked up how to bowl, box, golf, etc in a few minutes and loves it. My parents, aunts, grandparents, etc all own wii's. They enjoy it because it is light physical activity that they enjoy. It is a console the whole family plays when we get together.




RE: Real issue with PS3 numbers
By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 7:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you 100%

I posted this above but .. here goes:

Compared to the PS2 the PS3 is a failure in many aspects.
The PS2 was a profitable unit from the start for Sony and the Playstation division actually became one of Sony's strongest money making divisions. PS2 also outsold its competing consoles by about a 5 to 1 margin.

Even if PS3 would become profitable today ( which is hasn't ) it would take another 4 or 5 yrs for them to break even.. PS3 has caused Sony to lose market share, lose revenue the PS2 has previously brought, and also lose game developers exclusivity.

Now to Xbox 360.. its division still isn't profitable.. but it doesnt need to be.. Microsoft is in the top 10 most profitable companies in the WORLD. Sony isn't even in the top 50. Xbox 360 has been a success in the sense, it has a much larger market share then Xbox, It has taken market share from PS3, and has even taken some of Sony's exclusive game developers and made them their own.

From sales point of view I expect both consoles to lose money, but one company needs the revenue and the other is just stealing market share for their next console. PS3 could be close to OVERALL Xbox 360 sales ina few yrs.. but its apparent Xbox 360 sales are much much stronger then the USA then PS3 sales are to Xbox 360 in Japan.


realness
By skilled2k1 on 12/15/2007 10:21:42 AM , Rating: 2
At this point in time I would like to point out that for the cost of a xbox360 and/or PS3, you could buy a decent set of left over ski/snowboard gear and with the additional money spent over time on games and accessories invest in a season pass.

You could be about doing real things and wont have to play games and argue with each other on internet forums.
-live




PS3 far from oveaking ANYONE
By ViperROhb34 on 12/15/2007 10:49:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:

The Xbox 360 also performed admirably selling 770,000 units. Microsoft said that 310,000 units were sold during Black Friday week.

Sony remained at the bottom half of the NPD Group sales list, it also had a very strong month....496,000 PlayStation 2 consoles sold..The PlayStation 3, while in last place of the current market systems with 466,000 units sold..


I own all of the consoles, but my fav because of games is the Xbox 360. Afrer reading the post that PS3 (could) overtake the 360 .. they are way off so far.

If you begin from the month PS3 was released a year ago .. Xbox 360 has outsold them anywhere from 200K to 600k Units a month worldwide.. for the sake of simplicity even if you use the 200K figure that means over the last year 360 has outsold PS3 by at least 2 million units over the last year PS3 has been out! Now take into account 360 has been out a year longer and sold around 3 million its 1st year.. well theres 5 million units.

In order for Ps3 to BREAK EVEN to 360 (this isn't overaking - just being even in sales) of consoles sold worldwide by Dec 2009 ( a year from now ).. PS3 would have to sell 416,000 units MORE - EACH AND EVERY Month for the next 12 months..

Right now Xmas sales have boosted there numbers.. expect those numbers to drop alot in the next 3 months.. across the boards as well.. but they wont sell 400K units more the 360 will each month and every for the next 12 months..