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Steve Wozniak co-founded Apple and is still one of its largest shareholders.  (Source: Sydney Morning Herald)

Lately, though, the Woz has been showing Google's Android some love. He thinks that Android will beat Android's iPhone worldwide in the long run.  (Source: Engadget)
Woz also reveals that Apple created a phone in 2004, three years before the iPhone

Steve Wozniak may have co-founded Apple and remains a major shareholder, but he tends to tell it like it is.  In a new interview with Dutch-language newspaper De Telegraaf he gave an opinion that'd likely make his old pal (and current Apple CEO) Steve Jobs blow a fuse -- he thinks Android will win the smartphone war.

Woz made a comparison we often make -- Android for smartphones is a lot like Microsoft's Windows on PCs in its approach.  Mr. Wozniak comments that while the iPhone isn't for everyone, Android is more of an OS for the masses.

He didn't only have kind words for Android, though.  He also admonished the platform for lack of quality consistency, which he says is similar to Windows in its early days.  He did predict, though, that Android OS eventually be on par with iOS by his standard.

He states, "The Apple phone has very few weaknesses. True complaints and problems are not. (sic) When it comes to quality, iPhone is leading.  Apple has the direction for the entire world.  Android phones have more features."

He also predicted that despite being late to the smartphones game, Nokia would turn around its fortunes and make smartphones that appeal to young consumers.

Apple's early success with the iPhone, he said, came thanks to a perfect storm of breakthroughs in screen, battery, software, and manufacturing technology and memory.  He says that as a result the iPhone was in "first place" for two years (apparently disregarding Nokia's offerings as true smartphones).

And he reveals a previously unknown fact that's pretty fascinating.  According to him, Apple collaborated with a mystery Japanese consumer electronics company (cough Sony?) to make a smartphone in 2004.  While the company was satisfied with the quality, it wanted to wait for something more impressive and thus didn't release the iPhone until 2007.

Mr. Wozniak says this was a wise decision.  He states, "Apple was satisfied with the quality but wanted something that could surprise the world. If Apple comes with a new product it must have a real breakthrough.  Companies need to wait to capture a market until they have something extremely strong.  A new product was separated from the rest of the group should be developed. In addition, developers must depart from beaten paths."

That revelation is mighty interesting indeed.  How might the market look today if Apple 
had released its phone in 2004 and gained a 5 year lead on Google?  We will never know, but it's fascinating to think about.



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can't we all just get along?
By superPC on 11/18/2010 9:06:35 AM , Rating: 5
can't we just chose and use a device based on our needs and wants and be happy with it? do we really need to make other see our wisdom in choosing? stop all the hating and trolling...




RE: can't we all just get along?
By superPC on 11/18/2010 9:08:01 AM , Rating: 3
make love not war


RE: can't we all just get along?
By AstroGuardian on 11/18/2010 9:53:47 AM , Rating: 2
Make love not warcraft


RE: can't we all just get along?
By Denigrate on 11/18/2010 10:20:32 AM , Rating: 3
Those who get your post won't be making love.


RE: can't we all just get along?
By makius on 11/18/2010 10:41:23 AM , Rating: 5
Says the man who "gets" it. ;)


RE: can't we all just get along?
By Hieyeck on 11/18/2010 4:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
/hug


RE: can't we all just get along?
By zephyrxero on 11/18/2010 11:11:07 AM , Rating: 5
make install ./android
!iTunes


By Targon on 11/18/2010 9:32:14 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft Windows, and Google Android both share the same idea, make an OS and then let others make the physical device the OS runs on. It is fairly obvious that this strategy is more successful in the computer industry that making it so the OS is tied to an individual device.

UNIX and CP/M did well since they were not tied to any individual computer. PalmOS back in the early days of the PDA also did fairly well. Microsoft Windows has obviously done very well. Google Android is doing well, the list goes on. Now, you can have the best OS out there, but if you don't allow the OS to be run on devices made by others, the platform as a whole may not do as well and will eventually be relegated to niche status.

Apple has a cult following, and for the moment there are millions of people who will blindly buy anything that Apple puts out. The problem is that if Apple does not stay well ahead of others when it comes to innovation, they will end up with a tiny percentage of the market as other devices can do more. This is because Steve Jobs is fixated on the idea that Apple is a platform company that sells computers with the OS on top. It has kept the Mac from being the dominant platform. The idea that Apple wants to keep iOS tied to Apple iDevices will end up doing the same thing. 1 percent of the market can easily turn into 0 percent of the market, and without some serious changes, that is what will happen to the iPhone in the next ten years.

Look what happened to Palm, the dominant PDA company that stuck with an outdated OS for too long and ended up being forgotten by the general public. Palm finally came up with a new OS, but lacked the ability to properly market their new phones and only had two models, and nothing that was heads and shoulders better than what the competition offered for hardware, even if they have a great OS.

Apple continues to repeat the same mistakes that Palm made, and will eventually fail as the rest of the world catches up in the areas where Apple was ahead.




By saarek on 11/18/2010 9:59:50 AM , Rating: 3
Although you're correct with regards to Apple's sales volumes you have to consider how much Apple makes off of the products that they sell.

Sure if they were to license iOS and OS X they could massively increase their market share, at the same time though their brand would become devalued as everyone rushes to the bottom.

Apple is highly successful, their success is measured in profits not just how many units they have shipped.

The smart phone war (such as it is) is not actually that important. Apple does not mind having a relatively small share of the market consider the Mac market for instance.

Apple care's about having the lucrative highly profitable section of the market, Google, MS, Nokia etc are welcome to the bottom 80 odd percent.


By jodgi on 11/24/2010 8:37:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
…bottom 80 odd percent.


chuckle


By Drexial on 11/18/2010 10:22:55 AM , Rating: 2
The problem with not having unified hardware is that they advertise the OS more than the phone. They have created a unified platform that does not have unified support. Your experience can vary based on the hardware you buy. This is something I don't believe more consumers would think about.

The reason that Windows and various UNIX and Linux platforms work so well is because people generally configure them for specific tasks that they understand before purchasing the platform to run the OS on.

Android has sort of created the illusion that as long as you have a phone with that OS you can do anything with that OS, this simply isn’t true.

Windows Phone 7 had a better execution of this, but their only difference between the iPhone and their release is that they know they are not generally a hardware company. But they have similar strict standards on what the platform needs to be. This is in an attempt to make the experience the same as possible for all users.

With Android, you can run it on almost any hardware available. While this is fine and I love the versatility of the OS, you most certainly won’t be able to run all the same apps. I could pretend that this is explained well in the sale of the phones, but if its anything like the way computers are marketed, then it’s probably not clarified like it should be.


By The Raven on 11/18/2010 11:56:51 AM , Rating: 2
Ok then move to China where marketshare doesn't matter.


By The Raven on 11/18/2010 1:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wonder what Apple "failing" what look like?

I'm sure it might look something like this ;-)
quote:
I wonder what Apple "failing" what look like?


By Quadrillity on 11/18/2010 4:44:52 PM , Rating: 2
Tony Swash, if you don't work for Apple; then you have WAAAAAAAYY too much time on your hands. find a hobby other than fanboism please.


By wordsworm on 11/23/2010 9:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
You're coming down on him for being enthusiastic about technology?

I don't own any Apple products. I never have. However, I recognize that Apple started a long road nearly into obscurity after kicking Steve Jobs out of the company, and that since begging him to come back, has turned out to be the biggest tech company in the world. I can buy an iPad for $499. That's not too bad. Who knows, maybe if I knew more about it I'd get it since I do want some sort of pad device for reading magazines or other graphics heavy media. I'm hoping the Kindle evolves into this kind of device or Wacom comes out with something similar.

But seriously, what have you got against a tech enthusiast? This is a tech blog site after all...


By inaphasia on 11/18/2010 10:27:14 PM , Rating: 1
No way is this a -1. You get a 5 for effort (and/or optimism?). :)

Again though I have to disagree with one small oversight you keep making... God forbid a Macadamia gets lodged in Steves throat, and humanity loses it's favorite Telemarketer. I want to say "the bigger they are the harder they fall" but giants like Windows and Nokia have stuff to "fall back onto". What does Apple have, in case something goes horribly wrong? What makes you so sure that a company who made its name selling workstations, has a bright, long future in selling... well accessories really.


By slashbinslashbash on 11/18/2010 3:46:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well, the problem with the Android=Windows analogy is that smartphones, hardware-wise, are not and never will be as open as PC hardware. If there were some way to buy a given phone (say an HTC Incredible) and install *your choice* of Android or, say, Windows Phone 7, on it, then this might be a little different. But speaking about an "open OS" in a market where you really can't install your own OS on any given piece of hardware is a little disingenuous, IMO.

The fact is that smartphones are tiny, compacted and integrated pieces of technology with few or no user-removable parts (max 3: battery, SIM card, flash memory card). Usually there is just one PCB, with the processor, RAM, and other chips all soldered on to it. It is impossible to build a smartphone from scratch, or from the pieces of other smartphones. All smartphones are made, whole and complete, by large manufacturers. This will likely never change. And that's the primary reason why the Android/Windows analogy will never work.


By sleepeeg3 on 11/18/2010 6:45:07 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is already behind on "innovation." The problem is they have brainwashed all of these iBots through sheer marketing and word-of-mouth to believe that nothing else exists.

For the record, an MP3 player != an iPod.


By priusone on 11/19/2010 12:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree with the Palm/Apple comparison. In 2005, I purchased a Treo 650 and was completely amazed by how stable the OS was in compared to Windows Mobile. A few years later, the Treo 700p came out with, um, a bit more ram, 32MB increased to 128MB, a slightly better camera, .3MP to 1.3MP, and the wireless speed jumped to EVDO. So, with two years to cook up some new hardware, the screen size and res stated the same, as with thee processor, 312Mhz. Then again, it two years the OS did jump from v5.4 to v5.4.9

In 2008, the Centro came out, with the same screen res, but smaller in dimension, the same amount of ram, the same processor, the same network hardware and even the same camera. The only real difference was that the Centro felt cheaper. Then again, there was no antenna bump.

Apple at least tries to throw in decent hardware with a minimal form factor, even if it does overheat. Also, I had a few friends who needed me to install apps for them on their Palm devices, while the App Store for the iPhone makes that process easy.

If you compare the Pixi to the Treo 650-700 and Centro, why couldn't Palm have used PalmOS in a manner similar to WEB-OS? Had Palm tried to make the Treo/Centro's as 'average Joe' friendly as Android and iOS try to be, they may not have been force to sell their soul. This same argument could have been used for Windows Mobile. In 2003 I had a Hitachi G1000, which had a faster processor that my 2008 Centro, but after suffering with it for six months I transferred back to a regular cellphone. In 2008, when looking at upgrading to either a Centro or a Treo 680, I was amazed that Microsoft hadn't fixed the biggest problem with is Mobile OS, the user experience. It was still bloated, slow, and compared to PalmOS, it was a pain to use. Sure, in 2010, they did as about face and released a great mobile OS, but why did it take them over a decade to get the experience right? Thank god for competition.

Sure, during the time period of the Treo 650 through the Centro, mobile hardware wasn't evolving quite as fast as it is now, that is still no excuse for not updating the hardware and allowing the competition to destroy you.

I currently own a rooted Droid and a rooted G1 which is used in lieu of a netbook (it stays in the living room for IMDB look ups and such), I have an iPod 5G and two computers, one with Windows 7 and one with Linux. I am not trying to say one company is better than other, I am simply stressing that Apple can continue on their present course and will most likely do just fine, even with a much smaller user base in comparison to Android.


Like the Mac
By DrApop on 11/18/2010 9:39:08 AM , Rating: 2
The issue I see with the iPhone is that only Apple can make and iPhone. Therefor you have one choice and one choice only....very little if any competition for the product.

Android...or the OS is placed on a variety of phones from a variety of companies, thus more available choices.

But to each their own I guess. As long as you are happy with what you have.




RE: Like the Mac
By Rasterman on 11/18/2010 10:22:30 AM , Rating: 1
Yes but being made only by Apple is one of the iPhones biggest advantages, quality, ease of use, standard feature set.


RE: Like the Mac
By Obujuwami on 11/18/2010 11:43:05 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Yes but being made only by Apple is one of the iPhones biggest advantages, quality, ease of use, standard feature set.


Closed environment, having to hack the system to get root, design flaws, and a company that is unwilling to admin that it made mistakes to make a few more pennies. Between an open and closed platform, I'd take an open one every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I also don't need the Moral Advanced Movement of Apple (MAMA) to tell me what programs I am allowed to access because of adult ratings/features. Just because something is adult doesn't mean that it should be banned by MAMA so kids don't get to see it. Sorry, I don't need another Mama, I need a company that is willing to sell me what I want.

Telling users that violence and bad language are better than sex/other adult material is like saying losing a hand for stealing is better than paying a fine or servicing your community. I don't know who said it, but agree with the statement I would rather have my child watch 2 people making love than 2 people trying to kill each other. Maybe if we did have this happen America would be able to grow up a bit about the human body and sexuality.

ps. If you don't get the MAMA referance, go Netflix/download the movie Dragnet with Tom Hanks. It will explain EVERYTHING!


RE: Like the Mac
By tlampen on 11/18/2010 12:47:12 PM , Rating: 2
Soon we will have a choice, I hear Apple is coming out with a white one! <sarcasm>


RE: Like the Mac
By wordsworm on 11/24/2010 8:22:59 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, we had so much more to choose from before Apple came out with their iPhone. oh, wait a moment, there was nothing like the iPhone before the iPhone came out. Now, we have Android and MS is trying to get into the game.

So, just because Apple doesn't make all the choices available, it has certainly led the competition to offer a whole swathe of imitation products to choose from.


iPhone versus Android
By abarafi on 11/18/2010 1:27:33 PM , Rating: 5
I think it's easy to compare Windows/Android to Mac/iPhone and draw similar conclusions. But, I'm not sure it will work out that way. For example, Microsoft made sure that no matter which PC ran Windows, the Windows GUI looked and operated the same way. That is not the case with Android. Compare the GUI on an HTC to a Droid X for example. Also, Windows got a lot of stickiness because of software equity (application and file compatibility). That's not an issue with either iPhone or Android. So, I'm not sure Wozniak is correct. Time will tell.




Reading carefully
By Wererat on 11/18/2010 9:05:39 AM , Rating: 2
... it appears Woz is advising his friend Jobs to loosen up on the iPhone app market, 'cause he touts the iPhone as better.

As an Android owner, I agree that Android *could* surpass iPhone though speed of innovation. Whether any of that gets realized by disparate cellphone makers, particularly as they hold 'older' (less than a year old) phones back from OS and firmware patches in order to boost sales of new phones, is up for debate.




RE: Reading carefully
By mcnabney on 11/18/2010 9:14:45 AM , Rating: 2
Not quite.

The phone manufactures are the ones that test and prepare their phones for future OS releases. The carrier can allow/disallow an upgrade, but that is a very unlikely situation. The carrier wants the consumer to be as happy as possible with their smartphone - so they keep using the carrier.

So if you are upset that the Galaxy S phones aren't moving to 2.2 (or even 2.3) soon enough, the company to be upset with is Samsung.


More Generalizations...
By bplewis24 on 11/18/2010 9:44:06 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
He states, "The Apple phone has very few weaknesses. True complaints and problems are not. (sic) When it comes to quality, iPhone is leading. Apple has the direction for the entire world. Android phones have more features."


Tell that to all of the iPhone owners who post on my FB wall asking for help with their iPhones. It won't sync, it stopped turning on, proximity sensor doesn't work, etc. Every time, people inevitably suggest they do a system restore as if they've done it many times themselves. Yet...the iPhone doesn't have any issues, right?

Let's just forget about the design flaw that is the antenna and the multiple OS updates for bug fixes.

Brandon




RE: More Generalizations...
By hans007 on 11/18/2010 8:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
i had a friend get a girls number at a bar. sticks it on his iphone.

he does a sync that night, and it crashes and he had to come back from a backup.

the iphone does screw up sometimes, but that was a really hilarious example since he never got to call the girl.


By bldckstark on 11/18/2010 10:12:43 AM , Rating: 3
When is Android coming out with the Android iPhone that is listed in the caption of the bottom picture of The Great And Powerful Woz?

quote:
Lately, though, the Woz has been showing Google's Android some love. He thinks that Android will beat Android's iPhone worldwide in the long run. (Source: Engadget)




iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
By nstott on 11/18/2010 4:42:58 PM , Rating: 1
RE: iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
By INeedCache on 11/19/2010 8:40:30 AM , Rating: 2
Excellent! Thanks for the link.


Typo?
By loganSLC on 11/18/2010 8:33:30 PM , Rating: 3
will best "Android's iPhone worldwide in the long run"

Android would beat Apple's iPhone right? Unless there is some mysteriously upcoming "Android iPhone"




Wrong word?
By slimg00dy on 11/19/2010 8:07:17 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Lately, though, the Woz has been showing Google's Android some love. He thinks that Android will beat Android's iPhone worldwide in the long run. (Source: Engadget)


Apple's iphone?




Wrong Picture!
By jbwhite99 on 11/18/2010 9:54:49 AM , Rating: 2
You should have used the Gray Powell T-shirt from Gizmodo here! Windows/Apple is a great comparison. The quality on the Apple side is easier to manage, because it is locked down to the nth degree. However, most of the new innovation is on the open side... If Win Phone 7 is to succeed it needs to do the same.




Things change
By room200 on 11/18/2010 11:19:16 AM , Rating: 2
I remember when the Iphone first came out, everyone I knew was talking about how the new Iphone was going to have people buying phones over and over because the "crazy" glass screen was going to break. I have to admit, I didn't buy the Iphone because of the high price tag AND the glass screen. Now, everyone has a touchscreen, and it's pretty difficult to sell a phone without one.




a platform as a package
By atlmann10 on 11/18/2010 11:24:56 AM , Rating: 2
This is exactly (at least in terms) is what I thought when I received from M$ day before yesterday (or more accurately night before yesterday) a link to WIN phone 7 version of the newest office iteration.

The thing is this! Business's pay considerably more for anything than consumers. An Apple bot pays more than a standard consumer, but less than a business. Also the real reason Windows is dominant, and has been so for decades now is this simple fact.

To demonstrate this actively look at Blackberry. For what reason did RIM rise to the position it held (and is seemingly loosing now) in the market? That reason is because businesses world wide bought Blackberry devices for employees.

So now if Microsoft has the newest version of Office ported to both the Windows phone 7 devices, and the newest version of Office is Cloud based or accessible as is the case, then business's will switch to the platform for conformity.

The real thing that is a major plus to this is mass singular migration. Whereas a lot of people bought iPhone's because they were cool in singular or small number (IE: a family of four). A business will buy them for every single employee at or above a certain level. Which is anywhere from 1000-250,000 users at one time.

When it starts happening in one business often there partners will do the same. Then the general consumer see's this advertised as a user block, and therefor thinks the large number of user's is a mega positive. Then they buy it to because more people use it, which has been the case for Apple until very recently.

We are at mass migration phase now or will be shortly. Iphone's may be cool, Android devices may be cool as well, but neither Apple or Google has an organizational software product (Office probably even more so than Windows itself as a standard product) that is used predominately, and world wide in almost every single major business.

On top of that if Windows 8, next, or whatever they end up calling it is completely Virtual, it adds to both this picture, and Microsoft dominance in the end.




Not Quite
By KeithP on 11/18/2010 11:48:28 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, what Woz said was that Android will be the dominant OS in the smartphone market. Although he wasn't clear which version of the many versions that are being used at any one time will be dominant.

He is making an assumption that seems pretty stupid. He says it because Android phones offer "more features" and "deliver more buying options for those who don't want to be limited to a single device." He seems to be stating Apple current hardware will never change, or at least change very little and that seems like a bad assumption.

Of course, you could also point to his comment when he says he thinks Nokia will turn around their fortunes and make phones that appeal to young people and rightly come to the conclusion that Woz is an idiot.

In fact, has he done anything except give interviews and play games on a Segway since he left Apple? When lightning doesn't strike twice, it was probably dumb luck that it struck at all.

-KeithP




Couple things
By The Raven on 11/18/2010 1:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
Though I agree with the Woz with his MS v. Apple comparison, there are other factors at play here that work against our "free market" that we kinda had back in the '80s.
1. Cell phones are typically locking people to terms of length and to a certain carrier/network
2a. People are more willing to give up their freedom
2b. People aren't as savvy as they used to be because they are busy with Kim Kardashian in their face.

But I still think that even considering those factors, the most open platform will gain the most marketshare in the end. If it wasn't for those factors then I would say it is going to happen 100% as the Woz has foreseen and happen fast.

(To Tony Swash or like minded fellows: I recognize that dispite Apple's loss of marketshare in the '80s, they are still a successful company. I realize that marketshare isn't everything but it sure helps to attract devs and therefore increases attractiveness and demand which in turn opens the doors to larger profit margins.)




***UPDATE***
By The Raven on 11/18/2010 3:58:41 PM , Rating: 2
It seems that Woz was misquoted. Was something lost in translation? At any rate, an update to this article should be made.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/exclusive-woz-m...




a correction
By Tony Swash on 11/18/2010 5:13:57 PM , Rating: 2
Quickly following up on a Dutch interview, Steve Wozniak this afternoon said he was misquoted. The Apple co-founder said he believed virtually every app he used was "better on the iPhone." Android's main advantages were in its Voice Actions for navigation and other tasks, but Apple's acquisitions of Siri and Poly9 would solve these, he told Engadget.

He still believed from "what I'd read" that Android would still get the upper hand in market share, but Wozniak stressed that he didn't necessarily think it would be out of superiority. It could be "a lot like Windows" and gain the upper hand over Apple in share even when its competitor had a quality lead in at least the short term.

"I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination," he said. "But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/exclusive-woz-m...




Isn't it...
By drunkenmastermind on 11/18/2010 7:42:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
He thinks that Android will beat Android's iPhone worldwide in the long run.


Does Android own the iPhone too now do they?




"Winning" is not the point
By richpmd on 11/18/2010 8:48:28 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone may or may not "win" but even if relegated to a smaller market share of smartphones they will still sell lots of phones because the number of smartphones being sold is increasing so quickly. Also consider the business model behind the devices. As far as I can see Google hasn't figured out a way to actually make any money giving away Android so you have to wonder if the OS is even sustainable. It's no surprise that the market share of something that is being given away for free is increasing. Apple will probably be quite happy being the HIGHLY profitable #2 smartphone OS (but the iPhone itself will probably be the top selling smartphone).

In my humble opinion, I like the iPhone better. Its just easier to use with a much more polished interface out of the box. Sure there are more customization options with Android but your average non-tekkie can't figure out how to customize or doesn't care to.




Oh Joy
By SandmanWN on 11/18/10, Rating: -1
RE: Oh Joy
By hiscross on 11/20/10, Rating: 0
"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm okay with that." -- Microsoft COO Kevin Turner














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