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Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple, wants to offer customers "freedom from porn."  (Source: Telegraph UK)
Jobs and Gawker blogger argued about app locking and more

Apple CEO Steve Jobs and Gawker Media aren't exactly on the warmest terms.  After all, Gawker's blog Gizmodo bought a lost iPhone prototype tore it apart, damaging it in the process, and spilled its secrets to competitors and the general public alike.  And at Jobs' request police raided the house of Gizmodo blogger Jason Chen, who is suspect of buying the lost/stolen prototype.
On Saturday night, Gawker blogger Ryan Tate sent an angry email to Jobs about his company's dictatorial turn on topics like flash and porn.
Tate wrote:
If Dylan was 20 today, how would he feel about your company?
Would he think the iPad had the faintest thing to do with "revolution"?
Revolutions are about freedom.
Jobs responded, and the pair kicked off a long flame war, full of juicy opinion.  His first response states:
Yep, freedom from programs that steal your private data.  Freedom from programs that trash your battery.  Freedom from porn.
Apparently, Jobs wasn't kidding when he called Android a "porn phone" -- Jobs apparently has a real issue with adult entertainment.  Tate had no such issues, though, responding:
And you know what?  I don't want "freedom from porn."  Porn is just fine!  And I think my wife would agree.
The pair's heated debate also focuses on the merits of locking developers to the iPhone's Objective C/Cocoa app platform versus allowing them to use that or Adobe Flash.  Tate contended that forcing devs to write Cocoa apps yields half-baked applications, Jobs argued that it guaranteed a sufficient level of quality and stability.
Jobs writes:
There are almost 200,000 apps in the App store, so something must be going alright...Gosh, why are you so bitter about a technical issue such as this?  Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users.  Users developers and publishers can do whatever they like -- they don't have to buy or develop or publish on iPads if they don't want to.  This seems like its your issue not theirs.
After another exchange in which Tate calls Jobs out for the Gizmodo police raid, Jobs writes a final reply, stating:
You are so misinformed.  No one kicked in any doors.  You're believing a lot of erroneous blogger reports.
...
As for us, we're just doing what we can to try and make (and preserve) the user experience we envision.  You can disagree with us, but our motives are pure.  

By the way, what have you done that's so great?  Do you create anything, or just criticize others work and belittle their motivations?


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Freedom?
By MustaineC on 5/17/2010 9:32:52 AM , Rating: 5
Freedom from porn is not freedom at all.




RE: Freedom?
By dark matter on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By nvalhalla on 5/17/2010 9:54:07 AM , Rating: 5
1.) Prostitution is illegal in some places. Not everywhere.

2.) Wow, you have some real issues with pornography.

3.) Once again, his phone and tablet don't block THE INTERNET, where all the porn is, so stopping apps does very little. Is there a Net-Nanny app for the iPhone to stop kids from looking at porn online?


RE: Freedom?
By xler8r on 5/17/2010 10:00:24 AM , Rating: 5
Ever heard the phrase, "People over compensate to hide something" ?

5 bucks Job's runs an illegal porn ring of some kind behind the scenes.

*Remembers the guy from Donnie Darko...*


RE: Freedom?
By jimbojimbo on 5/17/2010 10:30:55 AM , Rating: 5
More likely he was in some gay porn and he doesn't want people finding out. Why do you think he wears turtle necks? Probably to conceal the scars from the auto erotic asphixiation days.


RE: Freedom?
RE: Freedom?
By putergeek00 on 5/17/2010 12:55:01 PM , Rating: 3
RE: Freedom?
By AssBall on 5/17/2010 12:07:09 PM , Rating: 3
I'd tap that ass...

Oh wait.


RE: Freedom?
By quiksilvr on 5/17/2010 12:44:49 PM , Rating: 5
I hope they protest his next conference. I want to hear the chants:

HECK NO, WE WANT PORN!
HECK NO, WE WANT PORN!
HECK NO, WE WANT PORN!


RE: Freedom?
By knutjb on 5/17/2010 3:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
What Jobs is doing has little to do with porn in and of itself. Jobs is trying to control his business model that iPhone, iPad, etc... are family friendly products and are not iPorn. Yes I know about controls because I do have kids but many I know don't know how to use them effectively, they are not technically adept. They want the supplier to fix it for them.

Family friendly sells more than does porn in the market HE is after. If parents think they don't have to worry about that they will likely buy iWhatever over other products. iImage is everthing to Jobs.

I think the harder he tries to fix it the worse he is making it. If he just came out and said "why" he is doing what he is he might come off a little less arrogant.


RE: Freedom?
By jjmcubed on 5/17/2010 6:33:15 PM , Rating: 4
We live in a world that is ever changing. If they don't know how to use parental controls it is there own damn fault. Take the five minutes it takes to read up on it instead of waiting for someone to do it for you. I'm sick and tired of people not taking personal responsibility on such simple subjects.


RE: Freedom?
By knutjb on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By jjmcubed on 5/17/2010 7:29:38 PM , Rating: 5
I'm sorry, but to set parental controls on a computer is something that is simple. One search sends you to windows with STEP BY STEP instructions. If you can't read a two minute instruction guide that walks you through it, you have more problems than being a good parent.


RE: Freedom?
By jjmcubed on 5/17/2010 8:03:05 PM , Rating: 5
And your analogy? Do you call the mechanic every time you need to fill up your gas tank? Do you call the handyman to change out the light bulb?


RE: Freedom?
By knutjb on 5/18/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By quiksilvr on 5/18/2010 8:54:07 AM , Rating: 2
Hooray, you win the argument by being an ass and totally missing the point!

Triple word score!


RE: Freedom?
By rburnham on 5/18/2010 9:39:42 AM , Rating: 3
There was no analogy. They were just saying people should stop being stupid and figure things out. We have too much information readily available us to justify acting otherwise.


RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:24:04 PM , Rating: 2
I love the anti gay marriage politicians that always end up getting busted for gay stuff. Or Newt Gingrich trying to impeach Clinton for having sex outside of marriage while he was doing it at the same time.


RE: Freedom?
By DougF on 5/17/2010 5:31:50 PM , Rating: 5
No, Clinton was impeached because he lied about not having sex outside of marriage.


RE: Freedom?
By mckinney on 5/17/2010 10:56:49 AM , Rating: 3
This is a defensive posture by Jobs. True that Jobs reply is a conservative answer to a liberal world. "Just bolt it down". Jobs has made this comparison to the Android handsets in the past, and I have wondered why. As easy as it is to lump the two together, I think the two OS's have (unintentionaly) slightly different demographics. I dont think his response has as much to do with the Iphone as is does with the Ipod Touch. The demographics of Iphone have about 6% in the 13-17 year old range, but the Itouch is almost half (45%)of the devices sales in the same age group. Seeing as both can use nearly the same apps, this may be his point of separation from the crowd.

The Android handsets are much more technical than the Iphone OS. (Correct me if I am wrong but) I believe Google has said that the Android OS on the other hand appears most attractive to the 25-45 year old market that is predominately male. I dont think Google is any more concerned about the porn on their phones than they are about the porn on their search engine, being they turn on safe search.


RE: Freedom?
By semiconshawn on 5/17/2010 5:55:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The demographics of Iphone have about 6% in the 13-17 year old range, but the Itouch is almost half (45%)of the devices sales in the same age group. Seeing as both can use nearly the same apps, this may be his point of separation from the crowd.


This quite simply explained by the fact that while I might be willing to spend $300 bucks for a toy for my kid Im not going to pay $130 a month for 2 years for them to play with it.


RE: Freedom?
By Shatbot on 5/17/2010 10:16:21 AM , Rating: 5
Exploitation of women is far more likely when prostitution is illegal.

Freedom is not being thrown in jail because you decided to feed your children by selling your body. It sucks that people might have to make that decision, but at least that's what it is - a decision .

How can you speak for all these "prostitutes being abused". That's an awful lot of filling in the blanks considering that it's an industry worth $13 Billion dollars in the US. What about married couples that film themselves online for example?

The government can keep its' grubby hands outa my pants unless they are willing to pay what I charge.

That's freedom.


RE: Freedom?
By straycat74 on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By DougF on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By Rugar on 5/17/2010 11:48:10 AM , Rating: 5
Mmmm.... Your arguments are nicely stated, but flawed at their very basis. Pure freedom allows that you can do whatever you want, whenever you want. Because we are social animals which must live together, we typically define freedom as the ability to do anything we please as long as it doesn't impact the freedoms of others. It's this caveat which causes all of the debate and frustration when people attempt to define what does and does not constitute "Freedom".

In your case, you attempt to defend both your concept of morality ('That's participating in a morally degrading activity and attempting to justify those actions by calling them "freedom"') and your concern for the welfare of others ('They will tell you more horror stories of abuse and disease than you can stand, and you WILL become a convert to strictly regulating this type of activity, if not making it outright illegal.'). And it is here that your argument falls apart because; 1) In any definition of a truly free society, you can not use your moral values to constrain the activities of others, and 2) You have no standing in discussion unless you are involved in prostitution / pornography yourself.

In a preventative response to anyone who might respond, arguments that you have the right to be "free from pornography" are also fallacious. As long as you are not forced to watch/participate, then you have the opportunity to figuratively walk away. In the case of internet pornography, you don't have to visit those sites. Or, you could install a filter. Or, any of a number of other remedies. If we were discussing pornography being presented on a billboard in a public space, then that would clearly be infringing upon your rights and should be dealt with directly.


RE: Freedom?
By Mojo the Monkey on 5/17/2010 1:50:53 PM , Rating: 5
I was going to say it, but you said it first and said it well. Control your own life, make your own decisions, and give your children your choice of moral guidelines and tools... beyond that, dont start being pushy with your own view on morality.


RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:29:20 PM , Rating: 5
Exactly conservatives want freedom for corporations but controls over our personal lives. Sorry you guys have it backwards.


RE: Freedom?
By Alexstarfire on 5/18/2010 5:31:55 AM , Rating: 2
They said nothing about politics so why are you bringing it up?


RE: Freedom?
By Iaiken on 5/17/2010 2:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
Visit sunny Mogadishu! The freest place on Earth!


RE: Freedom?
By Rugar on 5/17/2010 6:58:44 PM , Rating: 2
:-) Not exactly true due to the presence of warlords, but true enough. Anarchy sounds good in theory but the reality is really, REALLY ugly.


RE: Freedom?
By DougF on 5/17/2010 4:45:38 PM , Rating: 2
Any society has the right to determine which, if any, activities or values are not allowed. Constraining the activities of others based on moral values is exactly what a society is permitted and indeed, is required to do. An example would be to discourage or at least regulate in some manner physical violence, even if two people agree to commit mayhem upon each other. That's why there are rules in boxing, and against murder. There are other values that discourage activities seen as harmful to the larger community. In this case, porn. It matters not that some people like porn. Just as it doesn't matter that some people like to commit violent acts. Both are seen as harmful to society, and both should be discouraged and punished, though there are different punishments in these examples.

This is not an attempt at some kind of mailed fist of intervention. Every society that tried that has failed miserably ("The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers"). Every society has to have some tolerance for deviancy, you can't control or regulate every aspect. So, if someone want to sleep around with hundreds of partners, go for it. Just don't expect me to condone it. When that same person starts charging for the "service", THAT crosses the line and becomes harmful (enough) to be enforced. The same goes with porn. Personally, I don't care what two, three, or five people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their home. I DO care when they film it and broadcast to the world, whether it's for sale or not. That, IMHO, crosses the line and becomes harmful (enough) to society to be enforced.

There are two ways out of this dilemma for those who do like porn. First, they can form their own society. That will likely require leaving this society as it is not probable that the U.S. will cede any land to support such a request. But there are some uninhabited islands out there, so feel free to move. Second, porn users can convince the society at large that porn is somehow beneficial (tax revenues!, etc), or at least negligble in harming society (freedom!, etc). That has been the course and so far there is some success. I, and many others, don't like it, and we will continue to fight these inroads as long as we can.


RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:32:38 PM , Rating: 3
I think we have already decided. Porn is huge business in our society viewed by a very very large percentage of the population. I think you guys are going to have to move. I can think of a place that already shares your attitude, its called the middle east.


RE: Freedom?
By ShaolinSoccer on 5/22/2010 10:45:12 PM , Rating: 2
you people have obviously never had children and I hope you never do. you would make terrible fathers who's daughters would end up in porn.


RE: Freedom?
By Rugar on 5/17/2010 6:54:13 PM , Rating: 5
We've ventured pretty far afield of the article itself, but I can see that this is becoming an issue more of legality vs. morality. I'll constrain my arguments to the United States since it is the only law of which I can speak with any authority.

The US Declaration of Independence has already done an excellent job of defining the "unalienable" rights: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. While this sentiment is not directly found within the US Constitution (much to the chagrin of the many poorly educated who believe that phrase to appear there), it's considered one of the defining principles of freedom in the US. Much of the latter day case precedent in the US court systems agrees with your statement that this society has the right to constrain the activities of others based on moral values. This is due to more than two centuries of decisions which have tended to elevate the powers of the government above the unalienable rights of men. If we accept the validity of this, then the only argument is whether prostitution / pornography is illegal. In a truly Constitutional sense, any activity which isn't specifically granted to the Federal government is thereby the purview of the States. And if a state chooses to allow it (see: Nevada), then prostitution is just as legal as chewing gum. If a state chooses not to make any law regarding pornography, then it is, by definition, not proscribed and therefore legal within that state. Constitutionality aside, the Federal government has made laws restricting the transmission of pornography of specific types, most notably that of pornography which includes minors. Most likely because a plurality (if not a majority) of Americans condemn child pornography, this has not been fought on its Constitutional merits and remains law. Thus, we have chosen as a society to ban a particular subset of pornography. So far, I continue to agree with everything you have said.

quote:
Personally, I don't care what two, three, or five people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their home. I DO care when they film it and broadcast to the world, whether it's for sale or not. That, IMHO, crosses the line and becomes harmful (enough) to society to be enforced.


Here is where you go sideways. You care what other consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home? Hmmm... That's a very slippery slope argument and I caution you in the use of it. Let us suppose that at some point in the not so distant future, a group of people get together and argue that the consumption of fatty foods is "bad for society" as a whole and that it should be outlawed. Is this right or fair? What if someone else felt that you letting your kids watch television was wrong so they outlaw televisions in homes with children... is that fair? Take it to any degree of insanity that is necessary for you to see my point. Such people might eventually get enough votes to have their representatives outlaw anything which they consider harmful. The beauty of the US Constitution is that we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy. The tyranny of the many is constrained by the rights guaranteed us by the Constitution.

All of that was a long winded way of saying that you and others like you don't get to decide for me unless you have mustered up the votes to make it illegal and then stick with it through the court challenges to follow. Pornography is not currently illegal in most of the US, so that's pretty much where we stand at the moment.

To bring this back to the article at hand, can Steve Jobs declare war on porn in relation to Apple products? Absolutely. Until the shareholders / board choose to remove him or overrule him, he is perfectly within his authority to do anything he feels necessary to restrict access to porn on Apple products.


RE: Freedom?
By fic2 on 5/17/2010 11:48:49 AM , Rating: 4
Sex between consenting adults is a morally degrading activity. Damn. Too bad your parents participated in it.


RE: Freedom?
By DougF on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Freedom?
By xmichaelx on 5/17/2010 4:29:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's participating in a morally degrading activity and attempting to justify those actions by calling them "freedom".


That's exactly the argument used by the Taliban to keep women in burkas. What you find morally degrading may not be what a prostitute, stripper or pron star may find degrading.

You may find this shocking, but not everyone agrees with your Victorian definition of morality.


RE: Freedom?
By DougF on 5/17/2010 5:27:45 PM , Rating: 3
And those women in veils, burkas, etc; can choose to change their society. I've lived in the Middle East, have you? I've been to Saudi homes and visited with their families. You'd be surprised at how many women want to keep the abayas, veils, etc. I support a society's choice to be different, even if YOU or some of the people in that society don't like it. And if that society says "cover up" to the women, then cover up it is. Now, before you go ballistic and talk about repression, I don't support violent repression. I haven't bombed out porn stores or committed violent acts against porn stars. But, Afghanistan is NOT the U.S. It is not our culture, is THEIR culture, so why do you keep putting our values on someone else's culture?

Consider these three items: First, Saudi women could vote before French women (yeah, I know local elections are not the same as national elections, but the point is still there). Second, did women in the U.S. earn the right to vote or did men give it to them? Third, Saudi men "let" (in other words, the men have no choice) their women go about in western style outside of Saudi Arabia, no abayas, no burkas, etc. If you are married, ask your wife if she can make decisions in your house because it's her right, or because you gave that right to her. I suspect that if you try to convince her of the latter, you'll be confined to the dog house for a long time. The same can be said of women's power in other societies--when they want the change, they'll get it.

As for finding anything shocking, having lived in six different nations (U.S., Indonesia, U.K., Germany, Saudi Arabia, Japan), and traveled to many more, there is very little that can shock me any more. In all my travels, I have learned that we get to choose our culture and we get to define the limits of behavior. In our society that is done through majority rule with some built-in exceptions through the constitution. One of our "freedoms" (if you will) is to establish limits and punishments for exceeding those limits. And lastly, I think you will find that many more people agree with my attitude towards porn and prostitution than they do yours.


RE: Freedom?
By T2k on 5/17/2010 6:49:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's participating in a morally degrading activity and attempting to justify those actions by calling them "freedom". What you are advocating is a type of nihilism where you deny establishing authority over an activity simply because don't want to stop doing it.

(...)

I've been to Saudi homes and visited with their families. You'd be surprised at how many women want to keep the abayas, veils, etc. I support a society's choice to be different, even if YOU or some of the people in that society don't like it. And if that society says "cover up" to the women, then cover up it is.


ROFLMAO, right there you just busted yourself, you double-standarded stupid Muslim lying scumbag - you stupid extreme-fundies are always illogical and jus tdownright too tstupid to think straight, you lame two-faced loser.

Ahahaha, this was a good one...


RE: Freedom?
By knutjb on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Freedom?
By Alexstarfire on 5/18/2010 5:48:44 AM , Rating: 2
T2K went a bit off his rocker, but he's right. What you mentioned makes you a hypocrite. I can guarantee you that there are tons of strippers, prostitutes (though to a lesser extent since it's mostly illegal), and porn stars that would love to continue what they are doing.

I can partially agree with what you say, but the big problem (IMO) is regulation. When something is illegal there is no regulation and is almost universally something you only get in for the money which is why prostitutes not only make a lot of cash, but usually end up in very bad situations. Conversely, look at strippers and porn stars. A great many of them love what they are doing. Those industries are also regulated. I'm not saying that regulating the prostitution industry is really going to change things, but it would certainly be a start.

Though, your argument about morality vs freedom is a bit flawed in it's nature. As others have pointed out, freedom is the ability to do what you want provided that it doesn't harm others. Perhaps if you could tell me how watching porn, strippers, or using a prostitute hurts you then I'd have more understanding. The way I, as well as most others it seems, see it, it doesn't harm others. Those that want to partake will, while those who don't won't. It is not forced upon people to try it (though you could say that all the porn spam and pop-ups certainly push it) so they made up their mind beforehand. One could argue that because it's socially acceptable that they don't see a problem with it, but that could be said about just about anything so it's not really a valid argument.


RE: Freedom?
By xmichaelx on 5/18/2010 4:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
You'd be surprised at how many women want to keep the abayas, veils, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised at all -- that's why the oppressive laws still exist in Saudi Arabia, for example. But all these women use the exact same argument as you (and the Taliban): that women shouldn't have the freedom to do immoral things. Thanks for making my point!

A worldly guy like you should recognize that morality is relative, and accept that not everyone thinks like you.


RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
you mean sell your body to buy heroin.


RE: Freedom?
By T2k on 5/17/2010 10:21:36 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I disagree. Prostitution is illegal. Porn stars are prostitutes that perform on camera. The majority of women who do the real hardcore porn have personal issues and have been previously abused. If you like to watch prostitutes being abused then good for you, but I actually applaud Jobs here for taking a stand.


And here I always wondered just who are those crazy, lunatic pseudo-puritans who would go for Jobs' obviously batsh!t-crazy and distorted world view...

...here we go, a living, typing example. Bravo!


RE: Freedom?
By Reclaimer77 on 5/17/2010 10:27:51 AM , Rating: 1
Well he does make one point. Porn stars are some seriously screwed up individuals...

..and all I have to say to that, is thank GOD there are screwed up individuals in this world :)

lol


RE: Freedom?
By jonmcc33 on 5/17/2010 10:23:43 AM , Rating: 3
Prostitution is legal in Nevada. Have you ever been there?

Because of porn I do not waste my time and money away on a real woman. If you don't agree, just look over the years of women divorcing men and taking half of that man's possessions.


RE: Freedom?
By chick0n on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Freedom?
By guffwd13 on 5/17/2010 11:20:03 AM , Rating: 2
dark matter,

you either:

a) don't live/spend a lot of time in a city (a real city)
b) don't understand women
c) all of the above

Would you like me to educate you? Your belief is quite disturbing and I'm not sure which part is worse - that you think such women are disturbed (some are, majority aren't) or that you think innocence is a priority in a modern day society.


RE: Freedom?
By AssBall on 5/17/2010 12:10:23 PM , Rating: 5
I've lived with a woman for 10 years and I still don't understand them either.


RE: Freedom?
By guffwd13 on 5/17/2010 1:05:05 PM , Rating: 2
Touche,

But I'm sure you at least know the following (these are generalizations so I'm expecting some retaliatory comments):

Women love being noticed.

Women love feeling attractive (they'll wear things that make them feel pretty even if no one will ever see it).

Women love being in front of a camera - as it can accomplish the above two points

Women love partaking in something they can tell a story about later - in many cases, the crazier the better.

When the are young, they are more likely to go crazier things just to be noticed, have fun (think Girls Gone Wild, Dare Dorm, etc. etc) - especially when alcohol is involved.

Girls just wanna to have fun (thank you Cindy Lauper).

Beyond that - women are a mystery. Even to themselves.


RE: Freedom?
By jdsal on 5/19/2010 2:01:41 AM , Rating: 2
Jack said it best,

"I think of a man, but take away reason and accountability".


RE: Freedom?
By callmeroy on 5/19/2010 9:11:21 AM , Rating: 1
So you never have a gf / wife who you had "fun" with aided by the help of a porn flick or book?

Some of those books with detailed pictures and positions may seem offensive to you...until your own girlfriend wants to "try" some of that stuff with you...

then its like "Well, hey that's pretty cool after all...I like this stuff!"

:)


RE: Freedom?
By MrBlastman on 5/17/2010 10:03:16 AM , Rating: 1
But, you missed his most important point, Jobs has freedom from grammar!

quote:
Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users.


Steve, it should be "it's" please as you are saying it is.


RE: Freedom?
By MadMan007 on 5/17/2010 10:20:49 AM , Rating: 4
iStuff is so magical it don't need no stinking apostrophes.


RE: Freedom?
By redbone75 on 5/17/2010 10:46:50 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
quote: Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users.


Um, that's actually correct. "It's" denotes "it is" whereas "its" is possessive. Trust me on this one. If not, there's always Google. (Notice how I used there's and not theirs.)


RE: Freedom?
By MrBlastman on 5/17/2010 11:01:00 AM , Rating: 1
I googled it for a bit actually and found a majority concensus on "it's" rather than "its" in the context of its usage. I'm not really a grammar nazi but was curious about how it was being utilized in his post. I might be wrong, very wrong, in fact, I'd be extremely curious to see an authoritative answer on how it should be used in his example.

You're right though, "its" is possessive, but, in his sentence, I think he's more appropriately saying "it is." I suppose this is very debateable.


RE: Freedom?
By acase on 5/17/2010 11:55:52 AM , Rating: 2
I believe you guys are talking about 2 different "its" in the statement. You are correct the first two times he says "its" it should be "it's" because he is saying "it is". Thwe third one, which I probably what the other guy was saying, is the possessive one that is correct.

quote:
Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users.


RE: Freedom?
By MrBlastman on 5/17/2010 12:14:56 PM , Rating: 1
Affirmative, I was talking about the first two instances.


RE: Freedom?
By marvdmartian on 5/24/2010 12:02:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users.


should actually read:
Its not about freedom, its about Apple trying to control its users.


RE: Freedom?
By Hiawa23 on 5/17/2010 10:32:09 AM , Rating: 4
I don't need freedom from porn. I love it. Gald I don't own any or Apple's overpriced products.


RE: Freedom?
By icanhascpu on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:20:31 PM , Rating: 2
That's the point in free market. People can decide if they want a open to porn phone or a porn free phone. Its a win, win. Should help keep the parents groups of everyone's backs.


RE: Freedom?
By UnWeave on 5/17/2010 10:40:40 AM , Rating: 3
Freedom from [noun] is an oxymoron unless that noun happens to be oppression, or a synonym.

Anyway, porn is great.


RE: Freedom?
By ilostmypen on 5/17/2010 3:18:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure he is implying that porn is oppressive, judging by the tone set in the emails.


RE: Freedom?
By FaceMaster on 5/17/2010 12:12:56 PM , Rating: 2
They only want this so that they have market domination when they release their iwank


RE: Freedom?
By Norseman4 on 5/19/2010 5:13:20 PM , Rating: 2
That goes along with an attachment that uses the phones vibrate function. The attachment will be called the iBrator.


RE: Freedom?
By stimudent on 5/17/2010 12:41:57 PM , Rating: 4
It sounds like he's wanting to become the big brother figure shown in Apple's 1984 commercial.


RE: Freedom?
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
I say its a good thing, apple can make devices that are supposedly safe from porn for the kids. Parents feel good and google will make open platforms for the rest of us. Just so long as steve'o doesn't try to sensor the internet in general.


RE: Freedom?
By Jabroney701020 on 5/17/2010 6:56:32 PM , Rating: 2
That is your opinion. Steve has a different opinion. Just like Steve shouldn't shove his opinion forcefully, neither should you.


RE: Freedom?
By rburnham on 5/18/2010 9:37:01 AM , Rating: 2
Bingo. Who are these people trying to protect anyway? Kids? Well then maybe don't give your kid an iPhone or similar product? Give them a Nintendo DS.


RE: Freedom?
By inperfectdarkness on 5/18/2010 9:38:26 AM , Rating: 2
nothing more needs to be said


RE: Freedom?
By zonkie on 5/18/2010 4:37:20 PM , Rating: 2
If it's got nude men, they blew it!


Shut up!
By themaster08 on 5/17/2010 10:04:59 AM , Rating: 5
Jobs is just trying to find a new angle to tear down Android.

Freedom from porn? Don't visit porn sites. That applies to any device. Simple.




RE: Shut up!
By DougF on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Shut up!
By chick0n on 5/17/2010 10:45:50 AM , Rating: 3
IT is parent's responsibility to teach their own kid's morality.

I grown up from all thoes p0rn billboards and videos and all other crap. I didn't turn into a sex addict nor I had any hookers/call girls in my life.

and you guys made the p0rn industry evil or some shit. Whats wrong with making p0rn? its a JOB for fuck's sake. Sure it sounds bad that you have to sell your body for $$$, but oh Im sorry 13Billion industry sounds good to me.


RE: Shut up!
By themaster08 on 5/17/2010 10:53:10 AM , Rating: 3
Apple are taking the moral high ground, which I find to be the biggest hypocrisy to come from Cupertino yet.


RE: Shut up!
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 7:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
I sell myself to my company for a lot less. Hell as ex military I made money participating in(not directly) the death of a lot of Iraqi's for a lot less.


RE: Shut up!
By Shatbot on 5/17/2010 10:50:08 AM , Rating: 1
Ummm, the best way to stop your kids becoming strippers is by good parenting.

I worked at an STD lab and heaps of people from all walks of life get STD's. I'd wager that strippers are far more likely to use protection, being that they are in a high risk industry. The brothel staff in NZ had a union and were required to take an STD test every week, which was all free of charge. They even got to claim tax back on condoms etc.

I don't want to see shitty ads for Two and a Half Men or Survivor, but I have the "impulse control" not to watch it.

And by the way I would call a prostitute who was prepared to sell her body to feed her children one of the most honorable professions I can think of. It's not all black and white.


RE: Shut up!
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:38:49 PM , Rating: 3
Excuse me, you cant pick up an STD by stripping. If they are running that risk its because they are hooking on the side.


RE: Shut up!
By Alexstarfire on 5/18/2010 5:56:29 AM , Rating: 2
By definition, true. Stripping leads to sex sometimes. By which I mean free, not paid for. Once it's paid for they aren't a stripper anymore but a hooker/prostitute.


RE: Shut up!
By themaster08 on 5/17/2010 10:51:18 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Take a drive with your 12yr old daughter down the interstate littered with billboards advertising strippers in 6ft high letters, and explain why it's O.K. for men to go there and not O.K. for her to work there. And don't give me that crap about it being an honorable profession.

I hardly see how Apple will rid you of said billboards.

On another note, there are such things as parental controls that can be established, instead of one rule for all.


RE: Shut up!
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 10:55:03 AM , Rating: 5
Actually, it is ok for her to work there when she is of age as long as that is what she wants to do. You're the one deciding it's not okay and assuming that everyone else agrees with you. You personally may not like it, but guess what, we have something called freedom in this country. Don't look down on people just because their choice is not your own.

quote:
Porn advertising is darn near everywhere and I'm for "freedom from porn". I don't want to see porn applications on the App store, nor do I want to see billboards for strippers and other soft porn industries. Good for Steve Jobs, I hope he succeeds.

So in other words you don't want anyone else to have access to the things that you don't like.
Kindly go DIAF.


RE: Shut up!
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/17/2010 2:16:51 PM , Rating: 2
And if your wife is discussing patient information with you, well, hope she doesn't get caught!


RE: Shut up!
By DigitalFreak on 5/17/2010 2:43:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And if your wife is discussing patient information with you, well, hope she doesn't get caught!


Hmm... Now we need to track him down and get his wife fired for violating HIPPA rules.


RE: Shut up!
By Dark Legion on 5/17/2010 4:24:12 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I kind of hope she does, it would be pretty interesting to see how she would explain why she told her husband about her stripper patients. :P


RE: Shut up!
By Alexstarfire on 5/18/2010 6:00:49 AM , Rating: 2
He could have been visiting her at work. You can pick up stuff like that just by being there. I used to deliver fast food to a hospital quite frequently and you can learn basic information like that easily. IDK if it's the whole story he knows or just the outcome.

Anyway, I think the rule applies when you mention specifics about people (like name, address, work place, etc), but IDK. I feel that if it's just general stuff, assuming it's anonymous, then it's fine. That's just my opinion though.


RE: Shut up!
By tmouse on 5/19/2010 8:25:33 AM , Rating: 2
You're right, others on both sides are wrong. You CANNOT reveal ANY information on a person (including just their name). Once the information has been de-identified it can be used (the collection and use requires CRB approval). So if you have the correct protocols in place you can get evidence that a certain profession, gender, race, ect. has more or less disease, conditions ect. In this case it is antidotal unless she is really gathering this information for a study; if so she could be fired for releasing the information before publication (Many CRB protocols have strict rules about disclosure before publication ie: who should or should not have access to the information before submission). It's more likely while he was composing his moral manifesto he asked his wife (who was watching TV) " do strippers have more STDs?" and she said "yea, probably".


RE: Shut up!
By DougF on 5/18/2010 8:48:47 AM , Rating: 2
The rules on discussing her work are: If she tells me a name, she can't say what for. If she tells me what she saw, she can't tell me who. So, no violations of HIPPA.


RE: Shut up!
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/18/2010 1:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
And I believe HIPPA prevents her from discussing ANY patient information INCLUDING NAMES.

Not sure who made up YOUR rule.

So again, hope your wife doesn't get caught! She most likely will lose her license!


RE: Shut up!
By surt on 5/17/2010 2:54:44 PM , Rating: 2
I think you explain that the same way you explain that it's ok for people to organize a bull run in pamplona, but not for them to run in front of the bulls. If you can't explain the difference between illegal and stupid, you probably shouldn't have had children.

Our society doesn't need to, and for its own good, shouldn't, make every stupid thing illegal. We should, in fact, encourage evolution to weed out those genetics.


RE: Shut up!
By T2k on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Shut up!
By DougF on 5/17/2010 11:40:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's pretty easy.

No, it's not. Not for those with a conscience, at least.
quote:
I smell some good-ol' stupid puritan BS who is, on top of his lousy mind, is simply too lazy to EXPLAIN things for his daughter...

Your smeller is broken.
quote:
Because YOU ARE A LAZY-LOUSY, USELESS STUPID PARENT, that's why you confuse strip ads with porn and want "freedom from porn"...

My children are each honor-grads in the top 10% of their classes, and each received hundreds of thousands of dollars of scholarships to attend top-flight universities. My daughter is a member of the History honor society in college and will deliver a paper at the national convention next Fall. My son will start at the #3 engineering school in the nation (Ga Tech) this Fall to major in aeronautical engineering. Each started in HS varsity sports (soccer), and both are soccer referees as well as SCUBA certified. Both attend church and participate in church activities such as repairing the homes of the elderly, helping the poor with free eyecare, and spreading the love of Christ. I've coached their soccer teams from U-8 through U-19 (D license), was vice president and uniforms/equipment guy for the local soccer association for several years, and had a wonderful time watching them grow up and working with them on the soccer fields (I too am a soccer referee). We now play as a family in an adult soccer league. I'm still not sure what my daughter's final goals are once she graduates, but my son plans on continuing the family tradition of military service like his great grandfather (Coast Guard in WWII), grandfather (Army in Vietnam retired after 23 years of service), and both parents (Air Force in the Cold War and Desert Storm, retired after 20 and 22 years of service). If that's lazy, worthless parenting, I'm sure you will be able to top those with some of the achievements of you and your children.
quote:
Fortunately for the rest of us, RESPONSIBLE, PRACTICING PARENTS, he WILL NOT and that's good because probably it will FORCE YOU TO FINALLY STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR PARENTING DUTIES PROPERLY, you lazy, whining loser.

Fortunately, there are more and more who think like me every day, mostly due to the self-destructive nature of people like you (that makes the job a lot easier, thanks). We have the right to try and get/keep porn illegal and we will continue to exercise that right. One day, we will win. Maybe not tomorrow, but we won't stop until we do.


RE: Shut up!
By Alexstarfire on 5/18/2010 6:08:16 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting, I'm going to GA Tech Spring 2011. #9 Computer Science program in the nation. Hard to beat that AND the pricing for in-state tuition.

Anyway, T2K is being very general and, hopefully, not talking about a specific person. I can not tell you how many times I've seen lazy parents, and I'm only 23 mind you. They want to act like a kid and have no responsibilities to others. They will blame everything but themselves. That said, my friend who is 22 already has 2 kids, one being nearly 2 years old. She knows how to raise her kids. Discipline and learning. She hasn't had to talk to them about moral stuff yet (since he can barely talk), but I know she will when the time comes. I also know others who have kids who are like what I mentioned before, lazy. Pretty much just let their kid do whatever as long as he/she doesn't get hurt. It's pretty obvious who the good and bad parents are and which side they would be on in this argument.


RE: Shut up!
By T2k on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Shut up!
By atlmann10 on 5/17/2010 5:31:10 PM , Rating: 2
This is actually quite funny in our society today. How do I explain morality in your definition as a parent when about one out of every 10 advertisements if not more (on TV in a magazine on a billboard on a record label and on and on) use a partially clothed female as there subject.

How do I guard my daughters from porn on the internet when the first thing that comes up in a search for any female star contains either partial or full nudity continuing on up to there "LOST or STOLEN" porn tape.

If you can use a conservative viewpoint and justify that to me I would love to hear it, because I guarantee you I could find 20 flaws in it easily.

If you lie to your children when they are confronted with what you lied to them about it becomes interesting. As for members of the adult entertainment industry carrying or passing on diseases that is patently wrong. I can guarantee you the amount of female dancers who have an STD is below the percentage of females who have or have had one in any singles bar in any city in the world under 30 years old, and generally within the last year.

I personally am not Liberal completely nor am I conservative completely. I use the teaching tools which are relative to the true issue.

As for Steve Jobs he has just run out of reason at the moment of these statements to further his product. I would call it a lazy argument in general. As for good parents and explaining things to there daughters, and being successful with it, just notice that many porn actresses percentage wise had parents who were or claim themselves to be conservative and Christian.

In many cases there parents are directly involved in either Christian Ministry, Politics or direct public interaction. Either that or they were totally over sheltered by there parents and therefore went wild when they got free from it.


RE: Shut up!
By alanore on 5/17/2010 11:18:54 AM , Rating: 2
I think Apple and Facebook are having a competition to see who can abuse our civil liberties more, Apple goes after your freedom, Facebook your privacy.


There's a a saying, Mr. Jobs...
By blueeyesm on 5/17/2010 9:33:14 AM , Rating: 5
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."




RE: There's a a saying, Mr. Jobs...
By Inkjammer on 5/17/2010 10:20:56 AM , Rating: 3
And apparently, that road is also paved with the corpses of a few Zunes and Nomads, maybe a Sansa or two.


By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 10:49:15 AM , Rating: 2
The Sansa e2xx was a solid device, and the Zunes are pretty nice too. I never owned a Nomad though...


By AstroCreep on 5/17/2010 12:37:13 PM , Rating: 3
And the corpses of Asian factory workers.


RE: There's a a saying, Mr. Jobs...
By Integral9 on 5/17/2010 10:23:09 AM , Rating: 5
I seriously wish someone would take a pic of their iPhone with a huge cock on it and mail it to Jobs.


By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 10:50:00 AM , Rating: 2
+1

I fully support this plan.


By straycat74 on 5/17/2010 10:54:20 AM , Rating: 1
What public school holiday is it today?


RE: There's a a saying, Mr. Jobs...
By oTAL on 5/18/2010 6:12:35 AM , Rating: 2
Make it a vagina and he would probably be shocked and disgusted.

*hehehe*


By maverick85wd on 5/18/2010 12:23:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'd prefer someone do it with their Droid. Great plan, though!


I to would like Freedom from Porn
By 3minence on 5/17/2010 9:54:48 AM , Rating: 1
I hate doing a search on the internet using totally inocent and utterly non-porn related search terms and coming up with porn sites. I despise porn sites that act like something else to get you to visit them (whitehouse.com being an example). I want freedom from such crap.

However, having said that, if I want to view porn then that's my choice. I don't want Steve or any one else telling me I can't. That is freedom, to view or not to view as I wish.




By Murloc on 5/17/2010 10:03:15 AM , Rating: 2
there's the SafeSearch feature in google.

Activate it at maximum level, if you write facial on google images you will get facial masks first.


RE: I to would like Freedom from Porn
By T2k on 5/17/2010 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I hate doing a search on the internet using totally inocent and utterly non-porn related search terms and coming up with porn sites.


You might want to stop lying - both on Google and Bing SAFE SEARCH IS ENABLED BY DEFAULT so unless you disabled it when aroused you shouldn't be able to receive any non-Jobsian-approved search results.


By 3minence on 5/17/2010 11:06:35 AM , Rating: 1
Funny, I have safe search enabled and I still get some porn sites. I will admit that it's gotten better than it was, but it is still a problem.

non-Jobsian-approved? I don't think you understand my point. From what I'm seeing, Jobs wants to ban all porn. I just want it clearly identified as porn, but still accessible (if I want it). Jobs appears to want to ban all sexually explicit apps, I would simply prefer to make sure it has an adult rating but still let people purchase it.

Informing your customers is one thing, denying your customers is another.


By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 10:55:40 AM , Rating: 1
BS.

You don't get adult results unless you intentionally disable the filtering.


By alanore on 5/17/2010 11:04:32 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but you should have the freedom of choice. Having one person decide on your behalf is not freedom.

In terms of filtering the internet, Google's search protection is probably the poorest placed to deal with it, but it is probably one of the most effective. Simply using google without safe-search on, maybe enough to get you in trouble with the IT department at work.

I think we may start seeing a shift from blocking inappropriate websites either via search or on the OS, to the network connection. Current router/gateways are pretty poor at it, but in the future we will see much smarter gateways. Corporate networks have already started to move to policy based networks, which are a lot easier to manage/administrate.


By danobrega on 5/18/2010 8:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
1) Don't disable safe search.
2) Use OpenDNS!
3) If everything else fails, open links to sites you know only.
4) If 3) fails, don't use the internet.

Now, if you ban sites that have content type A, and I ban sites with content type B, and so on and so forth soon enough there will be no internet at all.

Don't be silly by using the word freedom out of context.


Lost his Mind
By Reclaimer77 on 5/17/2010 10:18:04 AM , Rating: 5
I think Job's has suffered some kind of mental schism lately or something. It's clear he's losing his mind, or at the very least, is loosing touch with reality.

I used to hate the guy, but now I kind of feel sorry for him. He need's help, he really does.




RE: Lost his Mind
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/17/2010 10:56:50 AM , Rating: 2
I'll second that.


RE: Lost his Mind
By DigitalFreak on 5/17/2010 2:45:00 PM , Rating: 2
No doubt. What a waste of a good liver.


RE: Lost his Mind
By Devil07 on 5/17/2010 4:24:58 PM , Rating: 2
No way, it's the liver that's making him do all this crazy stuff. The liver may have belonged to some hard-line right-winger with no authority or in any position of power before Steve got it. And now that this liver has entrenched itself into a person with a legion of followers, the former owner has come back and possessed Steve to have him carry on its "will" in the world. This is turning into a bad movie plot like "Idle Hands"...


Entertaining Fools
By TallCoolOne on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Entertaining Fools
By hexxthalion on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Entertaining Fools
By Helbore on 5/17/2010 12:57:24 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, I think Steve made himself look like a 14-year-old crying on an internet forum.

It's like those screaming loons you get who start shouting "I'd like to hear how good a singer you are!!!!" when you criticise Britney's latest single.

You don't have to have created something to have an opinion on its validity, moral standing or basic quality. I bet Steve wouldn't say that the media should stop giving Apple products good reviews because the reviewers have never invented anything themselves.

You put a product out in to society, then you have to be willing to take the negatives with the postitives. You address the pojnts, not belittle the commentors right to criticise.

Comments like Steve's just make him look like a petulant child throwing his toys out the pram.


RE: Entertaining Fools
By T2k on 5/17/2010 6:43:18 PM , Rating: 3
Absolutely.

Anyone thinks Jobs "owned" this guy is an IDIOT - Jobs really showed HE IS LIVING IN BIZARRO WORLD NOW and acts like an idiotic loser nerd when he ran out of false defense... just WTF does Ryan's actions have to do with his questions validity?

NOTHING. It's the typical little stupid/nerd/outcast/bully/etc idiot's defense to attack the messenger... it really made JOBS LOOK CHILDISH, truly PATHETIC.


RE: Entertaining Fools
By hexxthalion on 5/18/2010 5:01:30 AM , Rating: 2
you must be 12


Jobs is has once again confirmed he's a DB
By wushuktl on 5/17/2010 10:07:24 AM , Rating: 4
When your arguments start to sound like "What have you done?" instead of "i think X because of Y" then you lose a good amount of credibility. It's like Joe Rogan who got into some flame war with just some dude on a forum and his arguments turned into "what have you done on tv? oh yeah that's right nothing." As if accomplishing something like that or whatever Jobs has done suddenly gives you the freedom to act like a serious douche bag.




By bodar on 5/17/2010 3:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
Argumentum ad "I'm Rick James, b****!"


fooey
By p05esto on 5/17/2010 10:42:05 AM , Rating: 3
Down with Apple!!!! Stop buying their overpriced, wanabe cool products...you're a douchbag follower if you buy Apple products. All fads come to an end.




RE: fooey
By Jeffk464 on 5/17/2010 5:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
done and done, the last mac product I used was in 1993. Personally I love using whatever product runs the most software i want to use for the lowest cost. On the PC that means windows, and if you guys didnt hear android phones have now passed up iphones in total number of sales.

P.S. I absolutely love my HTC incredible.


Flame War???
By Shadowself on 5/17/2010 9:43:03 AM , Rating: 4
If you believe this is a Flame War, you've never seen a Flame War. They get very nasty very fast. Job's last retort was improper and childish, but it is very far from anything close to what might be considered part of a good old fashioned flame war.




Freedom From programs that trash your battery
By rocky12345 on 5/17/2010 1:02:20 PM , Rating: 2
Ok so Jobs is going to make all of these decisions for me now if I buy into his iLand products. He will decide for me to remove it so I can not have programs that use a lot of battery power or remove it so I can not see or use pron apps on a device that I paid for with my hard earned cash. Thanks Mr jobs for looking out for me I could have never made those decisions myself I guess are are so much smarter & all so much wiser than everyone else to actually figure we can not decide what we want to install & run on our bought & paid for devices.

All I have to say is you build the devices make a good OS for them & leave the decision making to us on what goes on those devices that is how freedom works it is called freedom of choice . With that said my freedom of choice
is to not buy into your closed minded little world until you realize that these products are no longer yours after you sell them to us & that we will do what we want with those products after we buy them. Maybe someday Jobs will learn that is why so many people jailbreak Apple devices so they can have the freedom of Choice to install the desired apps on their very own devices just like most of the rest of the world does on non Apple products.




By rocky12345 on 5/17/2010 1:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry can not find the edit button it should have said.

I guess you are so much smarter & wiser than everyone else to actually figure we can not decide what we want to install & run on our bought & paid for devices.


Thank You Steve
By Xaussie on 5/17/2010 4:00:30 PM , Rating: 2
I was evil and considering looking at a picture of a woman who was not my wife and having erotic thoughts while looking at said picture. Now I will sell all of my Windows hardware and buy only Apple computers because you will protect me from such nastiness in future.

You are my iCondom.

Apple Fan

P.S. Do you thinking putting male plugs into female sockets is pornography? I think your web site would be much more family friendly if these acts were not explicitly shown, rather just hinted at.




RE: Thank You Steve
By Cullinaire on 5/17/2010 4:09:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's what MagSafe is for.


What a non issue
By Tony Swash on 5/17/2010 10:46:27 AM , Rating: 2
Whats all the fuss about? I buy the Guardian newspaper and it doesn't have photos of naked women in it and that's fine by me. If I wanted a newspaper with photos of naked women in it there are plenty to choose from (thought oddly most seemed to be owned by Rupert Murdoch, but thats another story). I don't stand around spouting drivel about how the Guardian has infringed on my fundamental human right to have naked women in my Guardian, how I bought the Guardian so I should have the right to decide whether it has naked women it, etc, etc.

All this guff and bluster because a company designs its products one way and says to customers "you can buy our products that work like this or our competitors products that work like that - its your choice".

I honestly cannot see what the fuss is about. If Apple had a monopoly in any market it might be an issue but it doesn't so anyone who wants a product designed using a different approach is free to choose another company's product.

Please stop whining about about it and lets move on so we can talk about something with some substance.




By imaheadcase on 5/17/2010 10:53:47 AM , Rating: 2
I would ask the same thing to Jobs.

Since that "creativity" is the backbone of engineers and not the face of apple.

Also, criticize others work? hello apple? adobe letter was just a spelling error?

I like how he does the same old tiresome line that prohibitionists used. "I'm looking out for the users" when it comes to porn. Right...




You can take our porn
By Yawgm0th on 5/17/2010 11:17:13 AM , Rating: 2
But you'll never take our freedom!
...

FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOM




The Internet is for porn
By zephyrxero on 5/17/2010 11:21:16 AM , Rating: 2
Jobs: Freedom from Porn!

Google: We're cool with porn

Users: I think I'll buy an Android ;)

Game Over.




I, for one...
By mattclary on 5/17/2010 11:49:18 AM , Rating: 2
...welcome our prudish overlord.

Oh... Wait a minute... No... I kind of like that stuff...




Here's a thought.....
By Devil07 on 5/17/2010 3:49:42 PM , Rating: 2
Who cares? Although I will say this, the tech industry is going to be nowhere near as interesting when this man passes on. I hope they find a way to keep Steve alive for another hundred years or so, as he has such high entertainment value.




Stephen I
By cfaalm on 5/17/2010 5:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
He'd make a nice pope.




A simple solution to all this...
By petrosy on 5/17/2010 7:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
.... stop being an idiot and don't buy any crApple products.




Jobs Speaks
By intelpatriot on 5/18/2010 1:01:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:

its about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users

our motives are pure

Freedom from porn


AMEN




Jobs lost it...yep
By The0ne on 5/19/2010 11:44:57 AM , Rating: 2
He's going the way of the dodo...




Bluetooth
By joebob23 on 5/19/2010 11:59:08 AM , Rating: 2
I just want to skip/previous with my bluetooth headset...That's not porn or stolen phone...GRRRRRRRRRRRRR




Creating something...
By nOpeMan on 5/17/2010 9:51:43 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
By the way, what have you done that's so great? Do you create anything, or just criticize others work and belittle their motivations?


I smell a god complex. And as a real tec nerd, I lough at everything that Apple produces. And I lough even harder at people who buy this stuff.

I give them credit for the app-market, that was/is a revolution on how we get data to our mobiles. But that's pretty much it.

Apple is malaysia (gov run society)
Android is <insert free western country>

I prefer Android... Jobs seems pleased with his malaysia... I wouldn't.




Free Porn
By hiscross on 5/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Free Porn
By xkrakenx on 5/17/2010 11:57:25 AM , Rating: 4
you are an incredible idiot.

ask the sex traffic traders to kidnap your love ones, and break them in right before they start shooting

What a freaking retard and what an unbelievably sensationalist comment. Because we all know that every single porn participant was kidnapped and forced into wicked slavery against their will. And by thinking that porn is a thing that consenting adults can choose to consume or be a part of, we are guilty of the sleaziest part of it and are complicit in illegal crimes. Crimes that we should experience so "we know what its like"

fuck you


RE: Free Porn
By hiscross on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Free Porn
By DigitalFreak on 5/17/2010 2:52:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you and anyone else think that laws are going to stop people who do the thinhs I mentioned, then you have some learning to do.


Judging by your lack of spelling skills, I believe it's you that has "some learning to do".


RE: Free Porn
By themaster08 on 5/18/2010 5:30:54 AM , Rating: 2
Narrow minded people buy narrow minded products.


RE: Free Porn
By Exodite on 5/17/2010 12:27:52 PM , Rating: 2
That's a prime example of the FUD fallacy, well done sir.


RE: Free Porn
By Yawgm0th on 5/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Free Porn
By Stublore on 5/17/2010 2:23:03 PM , Rating: 1
Dude!, if that's what turns you on, you really need help.


"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins














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